AVS › AVS Forum › Video Components › Home Theater Computers › Hauppauge HDPVR-1212 Owner's Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Hauppauge HDPVR-1212 Owner's Thread - Page 93

post #2761 of 3646
1/15/12 at 11:45am
I love my 1212. Works great.
I've been around here quite awhile, I've never heard any other editing software for h.264 recommended as much as videoredo. I think you should try TME editing and figure out how badly you want videoredo.. Do you actually want to spend 30min editing commercials or 30sec using the FF button?

Capture Bit rates depend on content. How fast moving is the video?
Start here and tweak as you like. These should be safe values with great quality. There's nothing worse than having to capture a 2hour program twice because I wanted an extra .5kbps.

I use variable not constant..
720p/5.1 source:
60min 12.0vr dvd5
90min 10.0vr dvd5 13.5vr dvd9
120min 12.0vr dvd9

1080i/5.1
60min 11.0vr dvd5
90min 11.0vr dvd9
120min 9.0vr dvd9

If there's just one title on the disc I use tsmuxer to author. You can choose whatever auto chapters you want (5min for example) and it's fast. (no menu)

If there are multiple titles per disc I use multiavchd for authoring. It can create menus and auto chaptering.

Burn using nero or imgburn.
I think these are the easiest tools to use. Not saying the best, just pretty easy..
Reply
Reply

Gear mentioned in this thread:

post #2762 of 3646
1/15/12 at 12:50pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by V7Goose View Post

Personally, I do not agree with most of your complaints about TME. First of all, TM Theater on my machines plays back the AVCHD disks in a standard DVD drive just fine - full menus and everything.

TM Theater is probably the only part of TME that I think is OK. I am looking for a freeware version of a media player, so I can view AVCHD disks I make on other PCs, without having to install TME.

For example, My mom doesn't have a Blu-ray player, but she sometimes asks me to record a program she saw on TV. I can DVR the program, and use Hauppauge 1212 TME capture to create a digital version. I have the option to downgrade the video to DVD, so it would play on her $30 Apex DVD player, and 20 year old TV. I would rather burn an AVCHD disk, and include a small install package of a freeware player. That way she could play it on her much more modern PC.

As for TME itself, I had to look long and hard to find reviews for it. CNET didn't bother to review it, and the user reviews on Amazon all say "do not buy this product".

I may be old fashioned, and my eyesight and finger control is not the best. I find being forced to use click on a control to start and stop a capture is unacceptable. "Alt-space-n" doesn't minimize the current window, again requiring the use of the touchpad to click on a really tiny minimize button I can hardly see (black on black is an awful color scheme) to perform an action that I could do much more easily from the keyboard. I could go on and on all day.
Reply
Reply
post #2763 of 3646
1/15/12 at 1:10pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikknightt View Post

I love my 1212. Works great.
I've been around here quite awhile, I've never heard any other editing software for h.264 recommended as much as videoredo. I think you should try TME editing and figure out how badly you want videoredo.. Do you actually want to spend 30min editing commercials or 30sec using the FF button?

I have already wasted enough time with TME. IMHO, except for doing the capture, the rest is garbage. If there is a free tool that allows me to do the capture from the 1212, I would definitely try it.

I Would consider getting Video redo, but there are two packages that are similar, and cost a lot less. If anyone has experience with the others, I'd like to know.

VideoSpirit pro at $59.99 is the number one download on Cnet for video editing software that supports h.264.

Video_cutter at $39.99 Shows up in various message boards, but I haven't seen a real review of it. I can't even figure out where the company (FameRing) is located, which kinda worries me.
Reply
Reply
post #2764 of 3646
1/15/12 at 2:36pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by gromittoo View Post

I have already wasted enough time with TME. IMHO, except for doing the capture, the rest is garbage.

Absolutely agree.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gromittoo View Post

I Would consider getting Video redo, but there are two packages that are similar, and cost a lot less.

VideoReDo with H.264 is the best.


Quote:
Originally Posted by gromittoo View Post

If anyone has experience with the others, I'd like to know.

VideoSpirit pro at $59.99 is the number one download on Cnet for video editing software that supports h.264.

Video_cutter at $39.99 Shows up in various message boards, but I haven't seen a real review of it. I can't even figure out where the company (FameRing) is located, which kinda worries me.

The best way to find reviews/comments for the video editing program is to go to VideoHelp.com Tools section (http://www.videohelp.com/tools) and search for that program.

Video_cutter is actually Smart Cutter Ps/Ts. Here is the link with 12 comments. http://www.videohelp.com/tools/Smart-Cutter-Ps-Ts

VideoSpirit Pro is not listed on VideoHelp.com/Tools section at all. I downloaded trial version to see what is it about. It sucks because it will always re-encode your video which will not be compliant with Blu-ray specs at all. I attached image of the MP4 output profile properties. See for yourself:

320 - this is the maximum audio bitrate
44100- this is the maximum audio sample rate
2 (stereo) - this is the maximum number of audio channels

And here is the list of profiles. No TS, no M2TS.



VideReDo is your best bet.
LL
Reply
Reply
post #2765 of 3646
1/15/12 at 6:27pm
MozartMan: Thanks for the answers.
I'll take one more look at Smart Cutter Ps/Ts, perhaps using the trial version with the watermark for some Futurama episodes I recorded. Comedy Central does not put even one black frame between the show, and the commercial. This is a good test of any tool.

If I don't like it, I will fork out the $96 for VideoRedo. It seems bit pricey to me, considering that I only paid $190 for the 1212, but the time and frustration saved may be worth it.

Maybe TME really stands for Terrible Multimedia Experience
Reply
Reply
post #2766 of 3646
1/15/12 at 6:46pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by gromittoo View Post

MozartMan: Thanks for the answers.
I'll take one more look at Smart Cutter Ps/Ts, perhaps using the trial version with the watermark for some Futurama episodes I recorded. Comedy Central does not put even one black frame between the show, and the commercial. This is a good test of any tool.

If I don't like it, I will fork out the $96 for VideoRedo. It seems bit pricey to me, considering that I only paid $190 for the 1212, but the time and frustration saved may be worth it.

Maybe TME really stands for Terrible Multimedia Experience

gromittoo,

You are welcome.

I think I tried Smart Cutter and had problems with it.

I got lucky and bought VRD w/H.264 for $50 when it was beta release because I bought 1212 not long before that and realized that I needed h.264/AVC editor for HD videos with smart rendering (I bought VRD Plus before that for HD MPEG2 editing without re-encoding). It has its own load of issues, but it is working great for me. And their tech support is excellent.

Regards.
Reply
Reply
post #2767 of 3646
1/16/12 at 6:12am
So no one in this entire thread has encountered my problem? (below)

Quote:
Originally Posted by f13dfx View Post

Hello all! I haven't been in here for a while. I have added 2 new PC components to my system, an EVGA NVidia GTX570 video card and a 240GB OCZ RevoDrive X2 PCI-Express SSD. The main purpose was to cut down on my AVCHD render time in Sony Vegas Pro11.

So I did a fresh install of Windows7 Ultimate 64bit and reinstalled my Hauppauge HDPVR driver and ArcSoft Total Media Extreme software.

After all updates were done, capturing in PS3 format M2TS files went fine, BUT I've lost my audio during playback when using Windows Media Player 11. The only way I could get audio back was to uninstall Total Media Extreme software.

Does anyone know of a fix for this?

Thanks in advance to those who reply
Reply
Reply
post #2768 of 3646
1/16/12 at 6:19am
Quote:
Originally Posted by f13dfx View Post

So no one in this entire thread has encountered my problem? (below)

Try different player, like MPC: http://www.videohelp.com/tools/Media-Player-Classic

IMHO Windows Media Player 11 is the worst media player in the world.
Reply
Reply
post #2769 of 3646
1/16/12 at 8:42am
A question and a comment:

Would this work and simplify things? - Instead of taking the time to edit out commercials, what about just placing chapters at the start of each segment. While watching DVD/BR playback, I would just skip to the next chapter.

Does anyone know if the internal Hauppauge Colossus PCI Express Internal HD-PVR requires the computer to be "on" for pass-through to work?
Reply
Reply
post #2770 of 3646
1/16/12 at 9:13am
Quote:
Originally Posted by cctvtech View Post

Does anyone know if the internal Hauppauge Colossus PCI Express Internal HD-PVR requires the computer to be "on" for pass-through to work?

I can't comment on this because I use my Colossus only for capturing. And there is separate thread for Colossus. You would probably have better chance to get answer by posting your question there.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1294938

Quote:
Originally Posted by cctvtech View Post

Would this work and simplify things? - Instead of taking the time to edit out commercials, what about just placing chapters at the start of each segment. While watching DVD/BR playback, I would just skip to the next chapter.

It will work, but I don't think it would simplify things. In either case you will have to spend time to find the start and end of the commercial section in the video:

1. In editing program - to cut out commercial
2. In authoring program - to set chapter marks

For example, in VRD I can run Ad-Detective and it will automatically detect commercial sections. The issue these days is that more and more commercials are in HD and Ad-Detective sometimes missis them.

Another issue is file size, considering you mentioned DVD (aka AVCHD disk) playback. You can eliminate a good chunk of MebaBytes in the file size by cutting out commercials and may fit your video to DVD SL (aka BD5) or DVD DL (aka BD9).
Reply
Reply
post #2771 of 3646
1/16/12 at 11:25am
Quote:
Originally Posted by MozartMan View Post

gromittoo,

You are welcome.

I think I tried Smart Cutter and had problems with it.

I got lucky and bought VRD w/H.264 for $50 when it was beta release because I bought 1212 not long before that and realized that I needed h.264/AVC editor for HD videos with smart rendering (I bought VRD Plus before that for HD MPEG2 editing without re-encoding). It has its own load of issues, but it is working great for me. And their tech support is excellent.

Regards.

Well I downloaded Smart cutter, and I began using it in trial mode. The code was recently updated (Dec 2011), and I have had a very good experience with tool so far. The tool does exactly what it promises, and is easy to use. The trial version puts up a half second overlay of the word FAME, that fills the screen at the merge points. Since the commercials typically fade to black, this is tolerable.

I am conflicted about buying the real version. I saw a post somewhere that the product contains some open source code in a way that violates the open source license. I don't feel too good about that.

I worry about paying what I consider a reasonable fee, only to have the product disappear. If they went total open source, but asked for a donation, I would pay for the product.

As for the person who suggested putting chapters at the commercial boundaries, they missed the point. A typical "half hour" tv program is only 21 minutes once stripped of commercials. You also have to record a few minutes before and after the program, because networks shift the program begin and end times to frustrate people with DVRs. This "unwanted video" ends up being 35% of the saved file. This takes up a lot of disk space, and space on the on the DVDs, that could be used to add another episode, or a higher bitrate.
Reply
Reply
post #2772 of 3646
1/16/12 at 12:48pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by gromittoo View Post

Well I downloaded Smart cutter, and I began using it in trial mode. The code was recently updated (Dec 2011), and I have had a very good experience with tool so far. The tool does exactly what it promises, and is easy to use. The trial version puts up a half second overlay of the word FAME, that fills the screen at the merge points. Since the commercials typically fade to black, this is tolerable.

I am conflicted about buying the real version. I saw a post somewhere that the product contains some open source code in a way that violates the open source license. I don't feel too good about that.
I worry about paying what I consider a reasonable fee, only to have the product disappear. If they went total open source, but asked for a donation, I would pay for the product.
As for the person who suggested putting chapters at the commercial boundaries, they missed the point. A typical "half hour" tv program is only 21 minutes once stripped of commercials. You also have to record a few minutes before and after the program, because networks shift the program begin and end times to frustrate people with DVRs. This "unwanted video" ends up being 35% of the saved file. This takes up a lot of disk space, and space on the on the DVDs, that could be used to add another episode, or a higher bitrate.

I think you missed the point. He was offering an alternative to you whining about $95 videoredo and 35% of saved file. Some people just want a quick & easy way to save tv programming & don't want to spend 100's of $$ and hours of time editing just to save the video. Editing, FF, & chaptering around the ads are all options.
Reply
Reply
post #2773 of 3646
1/16/12 at 12:56pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by MozartMan View Post

It will work, but I don’t think it would simplify things. In either case you will have to spend time to find the start and end of the commercial section in the video:

Just the end of the commercials, or rather the start of each next segment of show.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MozartMan View Post

Another issue is file size, considering you mentioned DVD (aka AVCHD disk) playback. You can eliminate a good chunk of MebaBytes in the file size by cutting out commercials and may fit your video to DVD SL (aka BD5) or DVD DL (aka BD9).

I don't really care. I just want to copy and archive already-recorded programs from my cable PVR.
Reply
Reply
post #2774 of 3646
1/16/12 at 1:17pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by SandraCross View Post

http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1212-Definition-Personal-Recorder/dp/B0018LX0DY/

Possibly ordering one tonight, just wondering if you guys think the price is right before i do. thanks!

You can save almost $40 and buy Colossus (if internal/external doesn't matter to you):
http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-Colo...7149109&sr=8-1

Plus, Archsoft Showbiz, that comes with Colossus, is better than TME for capturing. This is based on my personal experience because I have both, 1212 and Colossus.
Reply
Reply
post #2775 of 3646
1/16/12 at 1:18pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by MozartMan View Post

You can save almost $40 and buy Colossus (if internal/external doesn't matter to you):
http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-Colo...7149109&sr=8-1

Plus, Archsoft Showbiz, that comes with Colossus, is better than TME for capturing. This is based on my personal experience because I have both, 1212 and Colossus.

Can you use showbiz with the 1212 ?
Reply
Reply
post #2776 of 3646
1/16/12 at 8:04pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikknightt View Post

Can you use showbiz with the 1212 ?

I never tried, but I will give it a shot tomorrow or Wednesday.
Reply
Reply
post #2777 of 3646
1/16/12 at 9:07pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikknightt View Post

Can you use showbiz with the 1212 ?

Yes works with both
Reply
Reply
post #2778 of 3646
1/16/12 at 10:35pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by SHS View Post

Yes works with both

I looked at the showbiz product page and it talks about authoring dvd's.... Does it also support avchd? If showbiz is a better product than TME I will download and use it. How is it bettter for capturing? Does it use less resources or something? Thanks for any info you have.
Reply
Reply
post #2779 of 3646
1/19/12 at 3:04am
I'm looking for an app that I can import the 1212's .ts file into and EQ the sound without first demuxing the file.. And not re-encode the video portion when done.
Might not be possible but I wanted to check..

I hear Vegas pro can import but does it re-encode the video when only filtering the audio?
I would try Adobe Premiere Pro but I don't have a 64bit PC.

I'm also looking for an app that will open a mpg/ac3 file without demuxing too..
(gonna try sound forge for that)
Thanks.
Reply
Reply
post #2780 of 3646
1/20/12 at 8:04am
Just de-mux with tsMuxeR from here http://www.videohelp.com/tools/tsMuxeR . It is fast and does not re-encode then you can use any software to work on your audio then mux back together with tsMuxeR. You can also use it to make AVCHD or Blu-Ray folder structure, then burn with ImgBurn, all free software.

Mike T
Reply
Reply
post #2781 of 3646
1/20/12 at 11:23am
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtallent View Post

Just de-mux with tsMuxeR from here http://www.videohelp.com/tools/tsMuxeR . It is fast and does not re-encode then you can use any software to work on your audio then mux back together with tsMuxeR. You can also use it to make AVCHD or Blu-Ray folder structure, then burn with ImgBurn, all free software.
Mike T

Thanks. That's how I do it now.
Just looking to see if somebody knew of a 'one step' process..
Reply
Reply
post #2782 of 3646
1/20/12 at 5:23pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by gromittoo View Post

Well I downloaded Smart cutter, and I began using it in trial mode. The code was recently updated (Dec 2011), and I have had a very good experience with tool so far. The tool does exactly what it promises, and is easy to use. The trial version puts up a half second overlay of the word FAME, that fills the screen at the merge points. Since the commercials typically fade to black, this is tolerable.

I am conflicted about buying the real version. I saw a post somewhere that the product contains some open source code in a way that violates the open source license. I don't feel too good about that.

I worry about paying what I consider a reasonable fee, only to have the product disappear. If they went total open source, but asked for a donation, I would pay for the product.

As for the person who suggested putting chapters at the commercial boundaries, they missed the point. A typical "half hour" tv program is only 21 minutes once stripped of commercials. You also have to record a few minutes before and after the program, because networks shift the program begin and end times to frustrate people with DVRs. This "unwanted video" ends up being 35% of the saved file. This takes up a lot of disk space, and space on the on the DVDs, that could be used to add another episode, or a higher bitrate.


I purchased and have used smart cutter for a year or so. It generally works very well. The interface could be better, but it is the best and only way I've found to edit a high def video without re-encoding in a reasonably priced product.

For NTSC video, there's a great program from womble.com that I've used and liked. Just checked the website and they claim frame accurate HD MPEG editing. The previous version was a great program with a great interface that included a function that would automatically locate commercials making editing much easier. I'm going to check that one out soon.
Reply
Reply
post #2783 of 3646
1/21/12 at 6:26pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikknightt View Post

I think you missed the point. He was offering an alternative to you whining about $95 videoredo and 35% of saved file. Some people just want a quick & easy way to save tv programming & don't want to spend 100's of $$ and hours of time editing just to save the video. Editing, FF, & chaptering around the ads are all options.

Maybe I failed to make this clear. I am using my Hauppauge 1212 this device to create and build AVCHD disks, which have 4.7 or 8.5 GB capacity. Wasting 35% space on the commercials is a really big deal. I do not believe this qualifies as whining.

I found that the current version of "Smart cutter" suits my needs and my budget. It also conforms to windows standard keyboard shortcuts, so I can hit alt + space, and the window minimizes. I do have a dilemma, if Smart Cutter is not kosher with the free code is included in it.
Reply
Reply
post #2784 of 3646
1/24/12 at 4:08am
I just got a 1212 and tried to capture in M2TS format, but every time I use this format I tried to author with TsMuxer or multiavchd its missing the audio. The captured video with TME has audio but once i try to author it, its gone. I dont have this problem with TS format. Anyone has any idea whats going on?
Reply
Reply
post #2785 of 3646
1/25/12 at 2:48am
Anybody...any idea...?
Reply
Reply
post #2786 of 3646
1/25/12 at 3:27am
Quote:
Originally Posted by combatsambo View Post

I just got a 1212 and tried to capture in M2TS format, but every time I use this format I tried to author with TsMuxer or multiavchd its missing the audio. The captured video with TME has audio but once i try to author it, its gone. I dont have this problem with TS format. Anyone has any idea whats going on?

Same thing happens to me. Don't know why. I capture everything is .ts

You can try editing a frame or second of the clip from the beginning and then try it. it's the start of the audio file that's corrupt.
Reply
Reply
post #2787 of 3646
1/25/12 at 3:57pm
That is kinda stupid. What is the point of having that format if it wont even transfer correctly.

Has anyone been able to author a M2TS video with audio?
Reply
Reply
post #2788 of 3646
1/25/12 at 4:06pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by combatsambo View Post

That is kinda stupid. What is the point of having that format if it wont even transfer correctly.

Has anyone been able to author a M2TS video with audio?

I've been successful with using the TME software.
The issue with tsmuxer extends to multiavchd becuz it uses tsmuxer as one of the components to mux the file and author.
Reply
Reply
post #2789 of 3646
1/25/12 at 4:53pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikknightt View Post

I've been successful with using the TME software.
The issue with tsmuxer extends to multiavchd becuz it uses tsmuxer as one of the components to mux the file and author.

Yea, just tried with TME and it worked. However, I was trying to author to BD, and that was where the problem is. With TS format i am able to set max bitrate 13.9, I think it is, and burn to 25gb BD for nearly identical to HD broadcast quality from cable STB. TME, I my only option to is to burn to AVCHD DVD and it loses quite a bit of HD quality- still better than my Magnavox 2160 though.
Reply
Reply
post #2790 of 3646
1/25/12 at 5:33pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by combatsambo View Post

Yea, just tried with TME and it worked. However, I was trying to author to BD, and that was where the problem is. With TS format i am able to set max bitrate 13.9, I think it is, and burn to 25gb BD for nearly identical to HD broadcast quality from cable STB. TME, I my only option to is to burn to AVCHD DVD and it loses quite a bit of HD quality- still better than my Magnavox 2160 though.

if it's imperative that you use that 13.5kb m2ts file, Use TME to author the avchd to hard drive instead of dvd drive. (use the drop down menu under 'write to')
Once finished, dig into the authored folder 'stream' to find the finished m2ts file. stick that into tsmuxer. it should work.
Reply
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Home Theater Computers

Gear mentioned in this thread:

AVS › AVS Forum › Video Components › Home Theater Computers › Hauppauge HDPVR-1212 Owner's Thread