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post #3091 of 3646
5/8/12 at 8:46pm
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Originally Posted by RCD7210 View Post

Thanks bpratt and nikknightt. Never used dual layer discs before but ill have to give that a shot. Looks like alot of captures will be over the 4.7 size. Also... Ive seen TSMUXER is the program of choice for burning by many. Is it better than the supplied program for any obvious reason? Just wondering if i should look to download it before getting into any burning.

Tsmuxer can't edit the .ts file like TME but it is easier and faster than TME.
Drop the file into the app, click on create avchd and it's finished in minutes.
It also creates chapter marks for you. It's a very useful tool for other things too.
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post #3092 of 3646
5/8/12 at 8:55pm
Hi all,

Did a quick search with no luck.

Is there a keyboard shortcut to start and stop capturing for TME?
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post #3093 of 3646
5/8/12 at 9:20pm
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Originally Posted by bigroot View Post

Hi all,
Did a quick search with no luck.
Is there a keyboard shortcut to start and stop capturing for TME?

Not that I know of. Tried Cntrl c/a/s. no go
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post #3094 of 3646
5/9/12 at 9:38am
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Originally Posted by RCD7210 View Post

Thanks bpratt and nikknightt. Never used dual layer discs before but ill have to give that a shot. Looks like alot of captures will be over the 4.7 size. Also... Ive seen TSMUXER is the program of choice for burning by many. Is it better than the supplied program for any obvious reason? Just wondering if i should look to download it before getting into any burning.

I've tried many programs for editing, creating AVCHD or BD disks and burning. I finally settled on VideoRedo for editing, multiAVCHD for creating and ImgBurn for burning. multiAVCHD and ImgBurn are both free but VideoRedo is a purchased program.

multiAVCHD has a somewhat difficult learning curve, but it creates excellent AVCHD and BD disks and it is faster than any other program I tried. It can be set up to automatically call ImgBurn and will create nice menus.

I believe VideoRedo can be tried for a short period of time for free.
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post #3095 of 3646
5/9/12 at 10:08am
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Originally Posted by bpratt View Post

I've tried many programs for editing, creating AVCHD or BD disks and burning. I finally settled on VideoRedo for editing, multiAVCHD for creating and ImgBurn for burning. multiAVCHD and ImgBurn are both free but VideoRedo is a purchased program.

multiAVCHD has a somewhat difficult learning curve, but it creates excellent AVCHD and BD disks and it is faster than any other program I tried. It can be set up to automatically call ImgBurn and will create nice menus.

I believe VideoRedo can be tried for a short period of time for free.

This is exactly what I use. It is perfect bouquet. And the beauty of MultiAVCHD is that it does not insist on re-encoding of BD compliant videos (like DVD Architect for example) unless you tell it to.
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post #3096 of 3646
5/9/12 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by nikknightt View Post


Change it at the source.
Surprised you couldnt find page 93

Capture Bit rates depend on content. How fast moving is the video?
Start here and tweak as you like. These should be safe values with great quality. There's nothing worse than having to capture a 2hour program twice because I wanted an extra .5kbps.

I use variable not constant..
720p/5.1 source:
60min 12.0vr dvd5
90min 10.0vr dvd5 13.5vr dvd9
120min 12.0vr dvd9

1080i/5.1
60min 11.0vr dvd5
90min 11.0vr dvd9
120min 9.0vr dvd9

If there's just one title on the disc I use tsmuxer to author. You can choose whatever auto chapters you want (5min for example) and it's fast. (no menu)

If there are multiple titles per disc I use multiavchd for authoring. It can create menus and auto chaptering.

Thanks for taking the time. The bit rates are probably too high for me right now due to laptop limitations, but i have experimented a little using the information from you and others. I may be able to increase a little now because i downloaded "Game Booster" which seems to have helped by shutting down some stuff.
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post #3097 of 3646
5/9/12 at 12:29pm
So....I have captured a few movies at 8.0 Mbits and imo, they look really good. Even fast action scenes and such. Now...I am trying to decide what I would like to do as a standard for recordings I would like to keep for awhile. Again, I will try to increase the bitrate a little.
I did a movie at 720p, 8 mb, and constant. Then i did the same at 1080i, 8 mb, and variable. The viewing quality to me is similar on my 55" lcd. However, The difference in file size's produced is significant. The variable/1080i being 3.33 gb and the 720p/constant is 5.03 gb. Im leaning towards the 1080i/v for this reason. Can someone tell me why this may be something I may not be happy with later? Like downsides to the choice?

Im wondering if choosing the constant setting at high bit rates is anything like taking digital camera pictures at 10 megapixels instead of 8. Pictures look the same at 8" x 10", and the benefit of 10 megapixels doesnt become evident until blowing the picture up to poster size. If even then.
So if im not viewing the captures on a 100" screen, do i really need to be concerned about not recording at the highest quality settings?
Or is my analogy not accurate.
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post #3098 of 3646
5/9/12 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by RCD7210 View Post

So....I have captured a few movies at 8.0 Mbits and imo, they look really good. Even fast action scenes and such. Now...I am trying to decide what I would like to do as a standard for recordings I would like to keep for awhile. Again, I will try to increase the bitrate a little.
I did a movie at 720p, 8 mb, and constant. Then i did the same at 1080i, 8 mb, and variable. The viewing quality to me is similar on my 55" lcd. However, The difference in file size's produced is significant. The variable/1080i being 3.33 gb and the 720p/constant is 5.03 gb. Im leaning towards the 1080i/v for this reason. Can someone tell me why this may be something I may not be happy with later? Like downsides to the choice?

Im wondering if choosing the constant setting at high bit rates is anything like taking digital camera pictures at 10 megapixels instead of 8. Pictures look the same at 8" x 10", and the benefit of 10 megapixels doesnt become evident until blowing the picture up to poster size. If even then.
So if im not viewing the captures on a 100" screen, do i really need to be concerned about not recording at the highest quality settings?
Or is my analogy not accurate.

As a general rule, I would capture in the resolution the show is broadcast in.
Unless I was trying to fit a 1080 show into a smaller file size. And always in variable bitrate.
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post #3099 of 3646
5/9/12 at 1:05pm
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Originally Posted by nikknightt View Post


As a general rule, I would capture in the resolution the show is broadcast in.
Unless I was trying to fit a 1080 show into a smaller file size. And always in variable bitrate.

I see. Thanks. That makes sense to me. Is your choice of the variable rate due to file size produced? I guess that would be the only reason. I was getting the feeling that some consider the variable setting subpar.
Do you know if im correct in thinking that the higher bit rates would only be beneficial to me if I was viewing much larger images? Just trying to understand the reason for creating such huge files.
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post #3100 of 3646
5/9/12 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by RCD7210 View Post

I see. Thanks. That makes sense to me. Is your choice of the variable rate due to file size produced? I guess that would be the only reason. I was getting the feeling that some consider the variable setting subpar.
Do you know if im correct in thinking that the higher bit rates would only be beneficial to me if I was viewing much larger images? Just trying to understand the reason for creating such huge files.

Most of what I capture are sporting events. They are usually in 720p.
I use variable to keep the file size more efficient and still keep the bit rates high.
I'm happy with the results.
I think most of the people here use VR if you re-read the recent posts.
(maybe i mis-read tho)
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post #3101 of 3646
5/9/12 at 1:17pm
The biggest plus to constant rate IMO is on scenes where there is a dark gray area.
I can show you on a Harry Potter scene, where recording in variable (even at a high rate) will result in a blockiness in the gray part of the scene.
This totally disappears using constant - the source is of a very high quality, it is not source related.

I myself never really noticed a big difference until I saw this, since then I have picked it out on other scenes.
I don't know if it is just a certain shade that the program just doesn't deal well with or what, I don't seem to see it on darker scenes.
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post #3102 of 3646
5/9/12 at 1:26pm
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Originally Posted by nikknightt View Post


Most of what I capture are sporting events. They are usually in 720p.
I use variable to keep the file size more efficient and still keep the bit rates high.
I'm happy with the results.
I think most of the people here use VR if you re-read the recent posts.
(maybe i mis-read tho)

Im glad you mentioned selecting according to broadcast. Thats what i will do as well. And like I said, i was happy with way they look even at 8 mbits. Will still to bump it up a little if equipment allows it.
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post #3103 of 3646
5/9/12 at 6:53pm
Can you see what you are capturing on the computer when you are capturing it. In other words, If I want to make a real time capture of only parts of a show, can I see what I am capturing on the computer. I want to record, and pause and then record at another point.

Is this doable?
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post #3104 of 3646
5/9/12 at 7:02pm
Sorry, no.

You can record one long segment and then later edit out, say the commercials, using software, and you also could record several segments, stopping each time a commercial came on, for example, and then later splice the segments together, using software, to make it all one thing, however you can not do exactly what you just described you want to do.

[I believe the technical term for what you wished you could do is "on the fly assembly editing", but don't hold me to it.]
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post #3105 of 3646
5/9/12 at 7:28pm
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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

Sorry, no.

You can record one long segment and then later edit out, say the commercials, using software, and you also could record several segments, stopping each time a commercial came on, for example, and then later splice the segments together, using software, to make it all one thing, however you can not do exactly what you just described you want to do.

[I believe the technical term for what you wished you could do is "on the fly assembly editing", but don't hold me to it.]

So, say I have the entire program on my fios DVR. If I captured the entire program, could I then use software (I see VideoRedo recommended a lot) to cut out the parts of the program I do not want to save? (Example: I want to keep 5 mins in the middle, 3 mins later on, and 2 minutes after that.) Could I then make what I saved one file?

Thanks for the help, I am trying to see what I can do before I make any purchases.
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post #3106 of 3646
5/10/12 at 7:50am
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Originally Posted by cyberfly502 View Post

So, say I have the entire program on my fios DVR. If I captured the entire program, could I then use software (I see VideoRedo recommended a lot) to cut out the parts of the program I do not want to save? (Example: I want to keep 5 mins in the middle, 3 mins later on, and 2 minutes after that.) Could I then make what I saved one file?

Thanks for the help, I am trying to see what I can do before I make any purchases.

Yes, VideoRedo can do that pretty easy. You can also save sections of the recording in different files and then combine or join them in a different order back into one file. You can also take multiple recordings and combine or join them into one recording although I would suggest you capture the recordings at the same resolution if you are going to make them into one file.

Mike T
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post #3107 of 3646
5/10/12 at 12:59pm
Thanks, again. One more question. If I capture the program as a .ts file, what are my options for saving once I have edited it or combined several programs into one new file in VideoRedo? Are these saved as .ts or something else? Also, how easy is VideoRedo to use? Is the included TME a better option?

I am not looking to burn DVDs, I want to keep my files on a hard drive. Probably, once I have my edited file I would convert it. (maybe .mp4, I will experiment with different ones).
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post #3108 of 3646
5/10/12 at 7:33pm
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Originally Posted by cyberfly502 View Post

Thanks, again. One more question. If I capture the program as a .ts file, what are my options for saving once I have edited it or combined several programs into one new file in VideoRedo? Are these saved as .ts or something else? Also, how easy is VideoRedo to use? Is the included TME a better option?

I am not looking to burn DVDs, I want to keep my files on a hard drive. Probably, once I have my edited file I would convert it. (maybe .mp4, I will experiment with different ones).

Hello... I just got my PVR a week or so ago. I have recorded to a portable hard drive like you mentioned. Works great. Havnt done any editing yet, so id be interested in hearing what you end up using and how you make out.
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5/10/12 at 9:24pm
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Originally Posted by cyberfly502 View Post

Thanks, again. One more question. If I capture the program as a .ts file, what are my options for saving once I have edited it or combined several programs into one new file in VideoRedo? Are these saved as .ts or something else? Also, how easy is VideoRedo to use? Is the included TME a better option?

I am not looking to burn DVDs, I want to keep my files on a hard drive. Probably, once I have my edited file I would convert it. (maybe .mp4, I will experiment with different ones).

I just leave them as .ts files, myself. My computers can play them and my PS/3 can play them. What more would I want?

Granted, they don't have chapters or titles, but since I'm dubbing ~200 VHS tapes, I don't have the time to do more than dub, edit and join a little and burn to BluRay. Maybe I'll edit later? Nah!
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post #3110 of 3646
5/11/12 at 7:26am
I'm tired of having a computer in my TV room and am wondering if the 1212 would allow me to play a video in a browser and record it on the same computer. I searched the thread for IPTV and didn't find a hit, so I'd appreciate knowing if anybody is doing this and if it needs a high-end computer or not. The computer I'd like to use was high-end 6 years ago.

Thanks.
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post #3111 of 3646
5/11/12 at 5:02pm
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Originally Posted by nikknightt View Post

Not that I know of. Tried Cntrl c/a/s. no go

Found it. It is alt + C.
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post #3112 of 3646
5/11/12 at 7:39pm
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Originally Posted by RCD7210 View Post

Hello... I just got my PVR a week or so ago. I have recorded to a portable hard drive like you mentioned. Works great. Havnt done any editing yet, so id be interested in hearing what you end up using and how you make out.

I will keep you posted, but it will be a few weeks before I buy it and have the time to play with it.
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post #3113 of 3646
5/13/12 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by bpratt View Post

I've tried many programs for editing, creating AVCHD or BD disks and burning. I finally settled on VideoRedo for editing, multiAVCHD for creating and ImgBurn for burning. multiAVCHD and ImgBurn are both free but VideoRedo is a purchased program.

multiAVCHD has a somewhat difficult learning curve, but it creates excellent AVCHD and BD disks and it is faster than any other program I tried. It can be set up to automatically call ImgBurn and will create nice menus.

I believe VideoRedo can be tried for a short period of time for free.

Does VideoRedo do a better job editing? I noticed that when cutting a video with TME, it isnt very accurate. Very difficult to be precise. And I didnt see how I could take 2 seperate captures and join them, but I could have missed that. Can VideoRedo do that as well?
Also, when editing a video, does a program actually remove a cut portion, or does it just remember where you told it to cut and then skip it during burning? After I cut a few spots and saved it, I looked at the original file and it was untouched.
Sorry to throw all that at you, but it sounds like you, and some of the other members, have already gone through all this and could sum it up easily ! Thanks!
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post #3114 of 3646
5/14/12 at 8:07am
Yes, VideoRedo is "frame accurate" editing then it re-encodes only the cut GOP to make it play correctly. Since the re-encode is usually only a few frames long it is very fast.

Mike T
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5/14/12 at 5:02pm
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Originally Posted by mtallent View Post

Yes, VideoRedo is "frame accurate" editing then it re-encodes only the cut GOP to make it play correctly. Since the re-encode is usually only a few frames long it is very fast.

Mike T

Sounds great. Just saw it was $100 though ! Ouch. Might just have to deal with what I got. GOP ? Im wondering if the TME program can actually edit a recording and remove the cut section? Or does it just simulate cutting for burning purposes. The original file remains? Not what i was looking for.
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5/15/12 at 6:50am
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Originally Posted by RCD7210 View Post

GOP ?

Group of Pictures. Streaming media like MPEG2/4/h.264 consists of I-frames, P-frames and sometimes B-frames. The I-frames are full pictures, essentially JPEG images. The P and B frames are predictive frames that have information relating to motion, since in most video most of the frame stays the same and motion is localized to one area. Each GOP consists of one I-frame plus all of the P-frames and B-frames between it and the next I-frame.

Essentially, B and P-frames only carry information on the differences between I-frames. This makes them much smaller in data size. That is how they save disk space and streaming bandwidth.

To reconstruct full-motion video, the I-frame and P/B frame information is combined to form the images between I-frames. When editing streaming video, it is necessary to either make the cut at the I-frame (vague, since there can be a fairly long interval between them) or to reconstruct I-frames at the cut frames to make the cut appear seamless and allow more precise editing.
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5/15/12 at 7:41am
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Sounds great. Just saw it was $100 though ! Ouch. Might just have to deal with what I got. GOP ? Im wondering if the TME program can actually edit a recording and remove the cut section? Or does it just simulate cutting for burning purposes. The original file remains? Not what i was looking for.

Expensive yes, but very easy to use. Worth the money for the amount of time and aggravation it will save you.
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5/20/12 at 9:06am
Can someone who uses ImgBurn help me out? I captured a .ts file with the pvr, and I want to burn to a DVD with ImgBurn. Do I need to create a .iso first or something?
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5/20/12 at 9:58am
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Can someone who uses ImgBurn help me out? I captured a .ts file with the pvr, and I want to burn to a DVD with ImgBurn. Do I need to create a .iso first or something?

What do you plan on playing the disc with?
You might be able to burn it as a data disc.

You need to create the proper file structure to burn to disc as avchd.
That's what tsmuxer//multiavchd/TME does.
Then you burn those authored files to disc.

Or you could copy it to a flash drive and play it back with some other devices.
Or stream it.

Here's a guide for using Imgburn
http://www.afterdawn.com/guides/arch...th_imgburn.cfm
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5/20/12 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by nikknightt View Post


What do you plan on playing the disc with?
You might be able to burn it as a data disc.

You need to create the proper file structure to burn to disc as avchd.
That's what tsmuxer//multiavchd/TME does.
Then you burn those authored files to disc.

Or you could copy it to a flash drive and play it back with some other devices.
Or stream it.

Here's a guide for using Imgburn
http://www.afterdawn.com/guides/arch...th_imgburn.cfm

Thanks ! I was trying to burn to a dvd-dl. Avchd to retain the HD and play on blray. ( at least thats what i was thinking) Was really only trying the imgburn because i have it on my desktop and thought it may be faster. Thanks for guide ! Ill check that out.
On TME.....whats the difference when selecting create AVCHD vs DVD? Is it HD vs SD ? It was telling me that my 8.5gb disc was not large enough for the 8.16 gb file when i tried AVCHD. But it did look like it would work (very slow) with DVD.
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