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post #3571 of 3646
2/25/13 at 9:02am
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Homebuilt HTPC or off-the-shelf desktop? I had this issue with my Dell which shipped with some kind of "sound enhancement" software built-in. The software was intentionally pushing left-right bleedthru. Once I dug that software out of the system, all was fine.
Homebuilt. Ive had some issues with setting up 5.1 on this before (really should upgrade to a dedicated card), but I dont think this was the issue. Instead, it appears my DVR was occasionally dropping out of Dolby Digital for whatever reason, so switching it off and back on again solved my problem. I also found there were parts of the 5.1 broadcasts I was capping that were not in true 5.1 (example, the cuts to the studio during a sports broadcast). Regardless, thanks guys for your help!
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post #3572 of 3646
2/26/13 at 6:37am
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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

In a nut shell, to kill ground loops you want every thing to connect to the same ground.You also have to remember that the problem can travel over any kind of wire, not just AC cords but also ethernet, RJ45, USB, coax RG59/6, minijack IR flasher command wires, anything. The RF wire into the cable box is a common culprit, too bad that wasn't it because that's an easy fix.

The next step is to make sure all the AC cords get plugged to the exact same power strip.* This means your TV, stereo system, computer, sub, cable box, EVERYTHING to the same strip. [You can piggy back an extra power strip onto the first if you need more slots.] Problem gone?

Another approach is to stare at the visual problem on screen and one by one start yanking power cords from their existing outlets until the problem goes away.



*This is called "star grounding" because all the grounds lead back to a central point like the rays of light emanating from a star. It is referred to as "Single Point Power Ground Connection" in the bottom diagram in this very good article you should read:

http://www.cinemasource.com/articles/gnd_loop.pdf

If you still have problems you may have to resort to the band-aid approach of applying transformers , which are discussed in that article.

On rare occasions the problem is from the source material. If when you hit the pause button the hum bar freezes on screen and stops scrolling, then that means the source movie/TV show has the problem!eek.gif Nothing you can do about that.

OK, took the HD PVR and DVR upstairs to the bedroom last night and hooked it up to my laptop and same thing. I watched the DVR on the TV this morning and no scrolling bands. I've got to believe its the HD PVR. If it was the source video, wouldn't it show up when I watch the DVR?
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post #3573 of 3646
2/26/13 at 6:49am
Check the component cables from the PVR to the tv.
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post #3574 of 3646
2/26/13 at 9:23am
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Originally Posted by DrDon View Post

Check the component cables from the PVR to the tv.
I changed the component from the DVR to the HD PVR and still the same. PVR is not connected to the TV.
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post #3575 of 3646
3/4/13 at 4:47am
It was the HD PVR. I went to Bestbuy yesterday and they had them on clearance since the 1512 is out so I bought one and now everything is fine. I've got to remember to turn it off when not in use. It just gets too hot.
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post #3576 of 3646
3/4/13 at 5:51am
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Originally Posted by Irwin View Post

It was the HD PVR. I went to Bestbuy yesterday and they had them on clearance since the 1512 is out so I bought one and now everything is fine. I've got to remember to turn it off when not in use. It just gets too hot.

I know you are good to go now, but did you ever try another Power Supply?
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post #3577 of 3646
3/4/13 at 6:19am
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Originally Posted by rebkell View Post

I know you are good to go now, but did you ever try another Power Supply?
I didn't have one and I'm using the same power from the older HD PVR. I removed only the unit from the box. All other cables/power was the same. Now thinking about getting an extra one. I don't think I need the 1512 as I'm used to the 1212 and the software it uses.
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post #3578 of 3646
3/4/13 at 11:41am
I just purchased the 1212 and am having problems with the furnished software. There seems to be no help file for the Record feature so I contacted Arc Soft to try to get a manual. What I got from them was: There is no current manual for TME2; try clicking on the f1 key. I had tried that and nothing happens. This may be OK for someone who has a lot of experience; but for a complete novice it just makes the software almost useless. So, is there any type of consensus as to a good replacement software? I would use Arc Soft but I just can not figure out the options. All I am going to do is use the 1212 to pull videos from the Direct TV recorder over to a PC using component video and digital audio. Seems like that would be a simple setup and maybe someone who is doing the same thing could tell me how to choose the options (such as "VCR Input - yes or no).
If there is a better software program to use I will get it in a heart beat.
Thanks for the help
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post #3579 of 3646
3/4/13 at 1:55pm
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Originally Posted by John Dupuis View Post

I just purchased the 1212 and am having problems with the furnished software. There seems to be no help file for the Record feature so I contacted Arc Soft to try to get a manual. What I got from them was: There is no current manual for TME2; try clicking on the f1 key. I had tried that and nothing happens. This may be OK for someone who has a lot of experience; but for a complete novice it just makes the software almost useless. So, is there any type of consensus as to a good replacement software? I would use Arc Soft but I just can not figure out the options. All I am going to do is use the 1212 to pull videos from the Direct TV recorder over to a PC using component video and digital audio. Seems like that would be a simple setup and maybe someone who is doing the same thing could tell me how to choose the options (such as "VCR Input - yes or no).
If there is a better software program to use I will get it in a heart beat.
Thanks for the help

I use a 1212 connected to a DirecTV HR21-700 to download movies and create either DVDs, AVCHD or Blu-Ray discs. Once I have downloaded the movie to my PC, I either use MultiAVCHD and ImgBurn (both free products) to create an AVCHD or Blu-Ray disc. An AVCHD disc is a blu-ray image put on a DVD or DL-DVD and it must be played on a blu-ray player. I find I can record nearly 1 hour on an AVCHD DVD or about 1 hour 45 min to an AVCHD DL-DVD. Anything longer than that, I put on a blu-ray disc.

I also use another program called TMPGEnc Authoring Works Version 5 to burn DVDs or AVCHD or Blu-Ray discs. It costs about $100, but it is much easier to figure out how to create discs than MultiAVCHD. One problem with TMPGEnc is it re-encodes the entire movie when creating AVCHD or Blu-Ray discs. It can take as much as 2 hours to create a disc with a 2 hour movie where MultiAVCHD will create one in less than 15 minutes. I've not been successful in creating a DVD with MultiAVCHD so I always use TMPGEnc for that because a DVD image has to be re-encoded anyway.
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post #3580 of 3646
3/4/13 at 1:59pm
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Originally Posted by bpratt View Post

I use a 1212 connected to a DirecTV HR21-700 to download movies and create either DVDs, AVCHD or Blu-Ray discs. Once I have downloaded the movie to my PC, I either use MultiAVCHD and ImgBurn (both free products) to create an AVCHD or Blu-Ray disc. An AVCHD disc is a blu-ray image put on a DVD or DL-DVD and it must be played on a blu-ray player. I find I can record nearly 1 hour on an AVCHD DVD or about 1 hour 45 min to an AVCHD DL-DVD. Anything longer than that, I put on a blu-ray disc.

I also use another program called TMPGEnc Authoring Works Version 5 to burn DVDs or AVCHD or Blu-Ray discs. It costs about $100, but it is much easier to figure out how to create discs than MultiAVCHD. One problem with TMPGEnc is it re-encodes the entire movie when creating AVCHD or Blu-Ray discs. It can take as much as 2 hours to create a disc with a 2 hour movie where MultiAVCHD will create one in less than 15 minutes. I've not been successful in creating a DVD with MultiAVCHD so I always use TMPGEnc for that because a DVD image has to be re-encoded anyway.

VideoReDo is a great product for editing the start and end of something you have recorded and for removing the commercials.
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post #3581 of 3646
3/4/13 at 2:29pm
I think he was asking how to use TME to capture. (or replace it with something else)

I have TME1 so some of this might not be correct:
Just plug in the cables. From the main menu choose record video.
Choose 'avchd' in the bottom left. choose the destination folder on the bottom right.
under 'format settings' choose variable and the mbps you prefer & click capture.
Edited by nikknightt - 3/4/13 at 2:38pm
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post #3582 of 3646
3/5/13 at 8:20am
Many thanks to both of you. I really was looking for a program to replace Arc Soft; but the information furnished by BPratt was really helpful.

Nikknightt, I am going to try as you suggested. If I can just get it from the 1212 to the PC, then I can then work on it. Not sure if I picked the right audio format (ACC or AC-3) and I left the VCR button checked. Set the format to variable and medium-high quality. I am running a video now and that will hopefully tell me if I did it right.
Thanks again, John
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post #3583 of 3646
3/5/13 at 9:43am
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Originally Posted by John Dupuis View Post

Many thanks to both of you. I really was looking for a program to replace Arc Soft; but the information furnished by BPratt was really helpful.
Nikknightt, I am going to try as you suggested. If I can just get it from the 1212 to the PC, then I can then work on it. Not sure if I picked the right audio format (ACC or AC-3) and I left the VCR button checked. Set the format to variable and medium-high quality. I am running a video now and that will hopefully tell me if I did it right.
Thanks again, John

Yeah sorry those instructions were so brief. I wasn't sure what info you were looking for after the others went in a different direction..
The vcr input is under device setiings. I never go there for anything but vcr input & output enable are both checked in my TME.
I use ac3 audio. By choosing avchd format in the bottom left ~ You'll end up with .TS files.

If you can see video in the preview screen ~ It should be working...
If you want some basic guidelines for capturing bitrates see my post on page 93.
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post #3584 of 3646
3/5/13 at 10:46am
Thanks again! I just finished running a test and it seems to have worked just fine. I do have Nero and was going to use that to cut out commercials etc; but if that winds up being too complex or time consuming I'll give VideoReDo a trial. Appreciate the help.
John
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post #3585 of 3646
3/5/13 at 11:47am
For me, I like Corel Videostudio the best for cutting out commercials. I think they have a trial version. I also have Videoredo but had a harder time with it.
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post #3586 of 3646
3/5/13 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by Irwin View Post

For me, I like Corel Videostudio the best for cutting out commercials. I think they have a trial version. I also have Videoredo but had a harder time with it.

I tried Corel but for cutting commercials Videoredo is hard to beat because it will scan for commercials and cut them for you with one click on Ad-Detective.
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post #3587 of 3646
3/5/13 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by bpratt View Post

I tried Corel but for cutting commercials Videoredo is hard to beat because it will scan for commercials and cut them for you with one click on Ad-Detective.

I agree Bpratt but when I scan foootball games videoredo always comes up with some false cuts.
You should always double check the cuts to make sure they're accurate.
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post #3588 of 3646
3/5/13 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by bpratt View Post

I tried Corel but for cutting commercials Videoredo is hard to beat because it will scan for commercials and cut them for you with one click on Ad-Detective.

Maybe that's my problem, I do it all manually. biggrin.gif
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post #3589 of 3646
3/5/13 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by John Dupuis View Post

Thanks again! I just finished running a test and it seems to have worked just fine. I do have Nero and was going to use that to cut out commercials etc; but if that winds up being too complex or time consuming I'll give VideoReDo a trial. Appreciate the help.
John

You might also consider the AVS suite of programs. I have been using them successfully; nothing against VideoRedo but I had them before I got the 1212. The video converter allows you to join and convert .TS files to a H264 format (I use mp4). Video Remaker allows frame accurate cutting for trimming and removing ads. Frame accuracy only seems to work on files created by their video converter; files from other sources can only be cut to the nearest key frame. Very strange but I have no idea why. One problem I have, which has nothing to do with this software, is that some .TS files have some horizontal lines in some places which must be due to capturing interlaced video. Conversion to .mp4 actually eliminates them. Also the captured video does not completely fill the screen (small black bars on 3 sides) and have to be cropped. Easiestsoft Video Converter does a great job of this; keeps the H264 and aspect ratio and quality does not seem to be affected. It's relatively quick, very simple to use and the resultant video completely fills the screen.
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post #3590 of 3646
3/7/13 at 1:07pm
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Well, took awhile but had some time to call Hauppauge on this today. I have had good conversations with their tech folks before....this one not so good. The guy i spoke to had no idea what MBAFF was and said the encoding criteria were determined by a combination of their driver and Arcsoft TME. I mentioned that in your post you said that software prior to 2010 seemed to work because of the MBAFF setting. He offered to try and find me a driver pre-2010 to try.

Between the 2 responses from Hauppauge and Pegasys it seems we are SOL for TAW5.

Will post if old drivers do any good.

Matt

TMpgenc Smart Renderer 4 now smart renders HDPVR 1212 videos!! I just bought it yesterday and had accepted that it wouldn't smart render these. But, there's a new version, released late Feb. 2013, and I was happily surprised that this has been fixed.

There's also a new feature for scanning for commercials. On a video I tried, that had commercials, it didn't find any. So, it probably needs further development. But, that feature is there and it'll likely be refined. So, another pleasant surprise.

A trial version is available, so it's worth a look. Make sure to get the latest version.
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post #3591 of 3646
3/7/13 at 3:57pm
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Originally Posted by rconn2 View Post

TMpgenc Smart Renderer 4 now smart renders HDPVR 1212 videos!! I just bought it yesterday and had accepted that it wouldn't smart render these. But, there's a new version, released late Feb. 2013, and I was happily surprised that this has been fixed.

There's also a new feature for scanning for commercials. On a video I tried, that had commercials, it didn't find any. So, it probably needs further development. But, that feature is there and it'll likely be refined. So, another pleasant surprise.

A trial version is available, so it's worth a look. Make sure to get the latest version.

The new version just released did not smart render the HDPVR videos for me. The file GOP structure was over 30 (32/64 GOP outputted from HDPVR) and the H264 MP4 file structure of MBAFF/Non MBAFF (MBAFF only is the standard, but nonMBAFF alone from older versions of the HDPVR software/drivers work) was not compatible as mention above.

Please be speciifc with your driver version, capturing software version and settings. I tried all 3 TS, MP4 and M2TS with the same result.
Did not smart render.

There may also be a setting in TMPgenc parameters that is allowing the software to work for you.

Please share the settings with us so we can compare

Recoding stinks
Rick
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post #3592 of 3646
3/8/13 at 4:46am
Rick - I'll check tonight. But, smart rendering definitely works now with hdpvr 1212 videos. It didn't work before and I had complained to pegasys and even sent them sample files at their request. I got a thanks, but didn't hear back since. I bought the software anyway because otherwise it's so impressive... got the latest version and was surprised that hdpvr's now can SR.

I tried lots of hdpvr videos last night... combinations of cbr, vbr, aac, ac3, different rates, 720p, 1080i, ts, m2ts, and mp4. They could all be set as master. And like vids would smart render. When I mastered a 1080i, the orher 1080i's would SR. And, likewise for the 720p's.

I'm using the latest TME... I had installed the CD and then did the upgrade. So, a typical up to date install.

If you'd like, you can send me some vids and I'll check. If they can SR, then the problem isn't wirh your HDPVR 1212 setup. If they can't, then it is. There are some free services that let you email large files... wetransfer.com does it. pm me and I can give you my email.
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post #3593 of 3646
3/8/13 at 4:41pm
Sorry I need to be more specific after reading what I wrote.

The file outputted from the 1212 pvr will smart render to an Mp4, mkv, or ts file using the tmpgenc Render 4 software. This will be great if you want to edit, smart render, and create this sort of file.

But the file outputted from the 1212 pvr will not smart render if you want to create a blu ray for the BDMV, BDAV, or AVCHD format. The file outputted by the 1212 hdpvr does not strictly meet the MP4 H264 Blu ray standard. The GOP structure is too high and is Flagged both MBAFF and nonMBAFF (it needs to one or the other and not both). Both the tmpgenc mpeg Smart Render 4 and authoring works 5 strictly scan and adhere to the Blu ray standard and will not smart render the file. whereby other software like txMuxR and MultiAVCHD do not strictly adhere to the blu ray standard and will "appear" to smart render.

Rick
Edited by Rick0725 - 3/8/13 at 6:51pm
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post #3594 of 3646
3/8/13 at 8:10pm
I sort of understand. Smart Rendering to me means no unnecessary encoding except at split or splice points. SR4 does this and creates ts (or m2ts etc.), mkv or mp4's. If it won't generate the folder and file structure for a blu ray because the videos (unaltered from the 1212) don't meet a standard, then that would be a separate issue. You're using authoring software, so this is important for you. But, this isn't a smart tendering issue. It's an authoring issue due to TAW5's strict compliance with a standard.

No other smart rendering software will fix this, because by definition, the video structure will not be re-encoded and changed. Why not just use SR4 and a different authoring sw, such as the ones you mentioned? Editing is the hard and time consuming part. I'm guessing, that ideally, you'd prefer SR4 or TAW5 to be the complete package.

If this is an accurate understanding, then I suppose a good solution would be for SR4 / TAW5 to give a warning, but allow blu ray creation.
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post #3595 of 3646
3/9/13 at 9:09am
Are there better capturing software available today compared to what is suppied that is compatible with the 1212 hdpvr.
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3/11/13 at 7:07am
Irwin, I just downloaded the Video Studio program from Corel. I want to try it because Nero is just too cumbersome. I've used other Corel products and always found them to be easy to use. But, I am having all sorts of problems with Video Studio X5. After working with it for an hour or so, I still can not get it to cut out a commercial. Are you aware of any tutorials that might address that simple task? Any other thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks,
John
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post #3597 of 3646
3/11/13 at 8:49am
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Originally Posted by John Dupuis View Post

Irwin, I just downloaded the Video Studio program from Corel. I want to try it because Nero is just too cumbersome. I've used other Corel products and always found them to be easy to use. But, I am having all sorts of problems with Video Studio X5. After working with it for an hour or so, I still can not get it to cut out a commercial. Are you aware of any tutorials that might address that simple task? Any other thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks,
John


Put the video in the timeline. Make sure you're in the Edit tab
Select options on the middle right of screen.
Select multitrim video
Then you can use the slider below the video box or the quick search interval on the left side to select you mark in ([) and mark out (]) points.

Let me know how it works. I may beable to do some screen shots if I have time after work.
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post #3598 of 3646
3/11/13 at 9:22am
Thanks so much. I followed your instructions and got to the point where I had the commercial selected. Then I clicked "OK" because I thought that would extract the commercial. Instead, I wound up with the commercial as a separate clip and it was still in the original video. I think I am messing up at the point where you delete the selected clip. What is the command to delete? It seems like "OK" is not it.
I really appreciate your help. If I can learn how to do this one function, then I think I can take my time to learn the remainder of the program.
John
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3/11/13 at 10:41am
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Originally Posted by John Dupuis View Post

Thanks so much. I followed your instructions and got to the point where I had the commercial selected. Then I clicked "OK" because I thought that would extract the commercial. Instead, I wound up with the commercial as a separate clip and it was still in the original video. I think I am messing up at the point where you delete the selected clip. What is the command to delete? It seems like "OK" is not it.
I really appreciate your help. If I can learn how to do this one function, then I think I can take my time to learn the remainder of the program.
John
Use the mark in( [ ) in at the start of your video.
Then when you get to the start of a commercial, use mark out ( ] ). This indicated the part of the video you want to keep.
When the commercial ends, use mark in ( [ ) again. Then at the start of the next commercial, use mark out ( ] ).
Keep on doing until all commercials have been marked out.
Then press OK and all of the should be eliminated.

Let me know if that helps.
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3/11/13 at 1:37pm
Thanks! There are some people (me) who just can not be helped. I followed your instructions and was able to select the four commercials. Then I clicked on "OK". At that point I assumed I had to save the file so I did that. The program immediately started the rendering process which took almost an hour and a half for a video that was just two hours long (before the removal of the commercials). When it was done I played back the edited file and not only were the commercials still there; but the audio was garbled and out of sync. Even a dummy like me knows when to give it up. I really appreciate the time you spent and your advice. I think I am going to try to find a program designed for idiots! Maybe I can make that work.
Thanks again, John
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