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    Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

    Blockiness , aka tiling or macroblocking, especially noticeable when there is fast motion on much of the screen, is due to an inadequate bit rate. You may find that 8.0 MB/s  is perfectly adequate for slow paced sitcoms or watching a fairly static image like a talking head give the news, but it gets into trouble for fast camera panning sequences or with a complex moving image, such as an action movies or sports. I would try 11 or 12 MB/s as a bare minimum for those...
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    I understand BIT RATE vs MOTION. What I'm asking about is viewing a PAUSEd, mostly static cell phone or CRT/LCD screen and ZOOMing my media player in to 4X or 8X to be able to read the text from my couch. I understand that my 32" Panasonic LCD HDTV should be viewed from much closer, but, due to economics and the existing setup of the living room, this is what I have to work with. redface.gif
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    ...Although it is always nice to conserve hard drive space, keep in mind that the price of external drives you can easily supplement your computer with and are easy to use via USB connection, have plummeted in recent years...
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    I have a Seagate 3TB GoFlex External HDD that I was using for my "Storage" drive, while I used a partition on my 500GB Internal HDD as my "Capture" drive on my desktop PC w/Vista WMC. I'm not sure if it was before, or after I installed the Seagate software to activate the "How-Full-Am-I" LEDs, the HDD Temp utility that I installed was reading GT 60°C for the majority of the time, whether or not I was accessing it. When the "Three Brown Outs in 10 Seconds" took out my Vista HTPC, I moved it to my Win7 laptop and DID NOT install the Seagate software. Although I do hear it spin up now and then when I'm not using it, the majority of the times I check the temperature of the case, it's cool.

    To control the temperature, I bought a pair of MediaSonic 4-Bay External HDD Enclosures (ON SALE @ Newegg):
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    1. Mediasonic HF2-SU3S2 3.5" Black USB3.0 & eSATA 4 Bay External Enclosure
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    2. Mediasonic HF2-SU2S2 3.5" Black USB2.0 & eSATA Pro Box 4 Bay Enclosure
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    to use either with a pair of PogoPlugs or an old desktop PC.
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    Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

    ...As for using 720 instead of 1080i because your TV is natively 720 and that means hypothetically there is no need for the signal to be translated [transcoded] through a potentially image degrading scaler, I wouldn't worry too much about that [since you are still using a transcoding scaler actually, the one in the cable box] ; instead, ignore that advice and try using 1080i to see how the results look to you...
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    I experimented with that when I first received my PVR-1212 and don't recall seeing a "Night-and-Day" difference. What I did notice was the HUGE increase in file size that I was saving on a logical partition on the 750GB internal HDD in my laptop. IIRC, sometime within the past several months, either a power failure or a firmware update reverted my STB to 1080i and I didn't notice it until I ran out of HDD space. I should have one movie left from that incident, so, I'll check it on a PAUSEd ZOOM.
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Thanks for your ideas! smile.gif
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I'm not fully sure I understand your question:

 

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I understand BIT RATE vs MOTION. What I'm asking about is viewing a PAUSEd, mostly static cell phone or CRT/LCD screen and ZOOMing my media player in to 4X or 8X to be able to read the text from my couch. I understand that my 32" Panasonic LCD HDTV should be viewed from much closer, but, due to economics and the existing setup of the living room, this is what I have to work with. redface.gif

 

 
I think you are asking how the bitrate varies the quality of very fine details such as the small print [well, text] found say at the end of movie credits. Things like "No animals were harmed during the making of this film" or "All characters were fictional and do not represent real people...blah -blah-blah". Which you find easier to read when you zoom in on it on some devices.
 
The answer is: it varies. If the credits are rolling very slowly and there is no other action in frame, it just has a black or monochromatic still background, then even a slower bit rate like 8 MBs will successfully record the very fine detail which you can then zoom in on[ or pause and walk right up close to your TV to inspect]. On the other hand if the background is a moving image, or the credits are rolling quickly, then fine details and fine text will be hard to make out at the slower bitrates. I don't know of an exact way to quantify it for you. Try recording some movie credits from a movie which is being re-played several times that week, like some stations do, at various bitrates and see how it goes. Unfortunately the results will only be perfectly accurate for recording that particular movie, but at least it might get you in the ballpark.

Edited by m. zillch - 7/31/13 at 7:15pm
post #3693 of 3814
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    Originally Posted by AYColumbia View Post

    My immediate thought is you're sitting way too far from the TV of this size, especially since you claim your eyesight is deteriorating (I'm in the same boat). You can find recommendations on line, like this one, for optimum viewing for your display size and resolution...
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    From both answers regarding Bit Rate, I can see that I didn't explain my question clearly enough. redface.gif See my previous reply for more details.

    I looked at those charts BEFORE I bought my first HDTV and just checked your LINK now - 4 feet for a 32" HDTV, 4.5 feet for a 37" HDTV (the largest that will fit in my Entertainment Center) and even a 65" HDTV is good for >>>ONLY<<< 8.5 feet! eek.gif Back in the 50s and 60s, how many folks watching a ~19-21" (or smaller!) Black & White TV (in a solid wooden cabinet cool.gif ) sat closer than 4 feet?!? biggrin.gif

    Several years ago, I replaced a 21" CRT with a 19" LCD HDTV in the bedroom that I watch from ~9 feet - first HDTV, bought to experiment with ATSC & HDMI. Based on current charts, I guess that I should be holding it in my lap! tongue.gif

    When I took my now 98-year-old Dad shopping a few years ago for a HDTV to replace his deceased ~20-year-old Philips 25" CRT, he balked at the Panasonic 42" Plasma until I covered a portion of the screen to change it from 16:9 to 4:3 and explained to him that 42" was actually smaller than 25" (IIRC rolleyes.gif).
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    Originally Posted by AYColumbia View Post

    ...One thing you can try is to find a channel that has a constant scrolling ticker, e.g., news channels like FOX, CNN, etc., and record a 30 second clip starting at 8Mbps, 9, 10 through 13 and then do a compare on them for clarity and smoothness of scrolling. The one you like with the lowest bit rate should work for what you need...
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    I read that same experiment today while catching up on 154 Unread Posts in the Magnavox DVDR w/HDD thread (re: deciding on HQ vs SP vs etc..). I *KNOW* 8.0 is too low for horizontally scrolling action because moving trains and horizontal pans 'Jump'. But everything else, from ~11 feet, looks OK. wink.gif
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    Originally Posted by AYColumbia View Post

    However, if you're not planning on permanently storing your shows, then just get a 2 or 3 TB HDD and use the max bit rate. By the time you get close to using up all that space, you would have not deleted a ton of shows.
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    I hesitate using the Seagate 3TB GoFlex on a regular basis because of how quickly it heats up. When I feel better, I want to see how the MediaSonic enclosures, with fans, work out. With FiOS giving me FREE HBO (until today), I'm just approaching the halfway filled point with the new batch of commercial-free movies. smile.gif Too bad they curse so much compared to their "Edited for TV" Non-Premium w/Commercials versions frown.gif . My wife won't watch them - she prefers TCM, where neither Cary Grant or Humphrey Bogart ever cursed like in today's movies where practically every sentence includes the 'F' word mad.gif .
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Thanks for your ideas! smile.gif
post #3694 of 3814
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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

I'm not fully sure I understand your question:
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I'm talking about a ~1-3 second STATIC image of a cell phone screen that I PAUSE and then ZOOM in @ 4X or 8X to read the message.

NO MOTION at all! No rolling credits, just a hand holding a cell phone with maybe someone walking by in the background (they actually ZOOM in on the cell phone and PAUSE for a few seconds, but it's still too small for me to read) - certainly nothing like a basketball game or a moving train or scrolling text. The hand and the cell phone are not moving.

P.S. Any ideas on the PVR-1212 randomly missed shows question that I BUMPed? I use TitanTV to select shows and then check WinTV to verify. Do I have to check Task Scheduler too?!? confused.gif
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"My eyesight is constantly deterioating so although most shows are completely viewable @ 8.0, when they display either cell phone or CRT/LCD PC screens I have to REWIND / PAUSE / ZOOM to read the screen."

 

You shouldn't be making decisions about what image loss is acceptable by watching such a small TV for that distance, especially since we know that you have a tendency to like to zoom in and inspect fine details, like cellphone screen and CRT/LCD images that appear on screen within the TV show/movie you are watching. I'm not saying buy a new TV; I'm saying temporarily put a folding chair down just a few feet from the TV and make your decisions about detail loss, due to slow bit rates, from there.

 

This is the go-to industry standard chart for making distance/screen size/resolution selections based on actual human visual acuity. Since your vision is, as you say "deteriorating", you may want to sit even closer still for this detail inspection analysis test:

http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html

post #3696 of 3814
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    Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

    You shouldn't be making decisions about what image loss is acceptable by watching such a small TV for that distance...
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    Are you old enough to remember the ~9-11" portable TVs from around the 70s? I watched a GE Color from ~3-4' on my workbench for 'company' while I worked on my 'projects'. My mother watched a Sony B&W from bed.

    I've crouched @ ~2' from my 32" while in PAUSE and THAT'S when I see the blocks. @ ~11', the higher the ZOOM, the blurrier it looks. Maybe it the fault of the Media Player? I usually use a Patriot PBO (early version, not the Core) but during the recent 'Heat Wave' here in NJ, it kept overheating and freezing so I temporarily switched back to my old Seagate FAT+.

    Since you're one of the Gurus here, I'm going to accept what you've posted and just live with it. Thanks for the help.
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    Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

    ... This is the go-to industry standard chart for making distance/screen size/resolution selections based on actual human visual acuity. Since your vision is, as you say "deteriorating", you may want to sit even closer still for this detail inspection analysis test:
    http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html
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    Interesting chart:
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    • As Screen Size increases, Viewing Distance increases. Logical.
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    • As Resolution increases, Viewing Distance DECREASES.
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    So, a 37" HDTV @ 480p will look good @ ~11', while a 37" HDTV @ 1080p needs to be viewed @ ~5' for the Full Benefit. smile.gif For my ~11' Viewing Distance, I'll need a projector and a GT 100" screen! biggrin.gif

    P.S. Do you have a PVR-1212? Do you use TitanTV and WinTV? No one seems to be answering my "Randomly Missed Shows" question. confused.gif
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[Sorry for the odd layout of this post, I'm too sleepy to figure out the new quote feature method being used here at this forum. It is new to me.]redface.gif

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Originally Posted by ClearToLand View Post

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    . Maybe it the fault of the Media Player? I usually use a Patriot PBO (early version, not the Core) but during the recent 'Heat Wave' here in NJ, it kept overheating and freezing so I temporarily switched back to my old Seagate FAT+

    For all intents and purposes, you should think of all brands of media players as "perfect", in this situation. Your real image quality bottleneck is the bit rate you use. You may not see problems at a lower bitrate like 8 MB/s because at your distance to your screen the fine details are too tiny for any human to discern, even with 20/20 vision. This is still a problem though since you at times want to zoom in to see a detail with your zoom feature. [No matter how eagle eye'd a person is, newspaper print simply can not be read past a certain distance. think of it like that. But with a magnifying glass or a telescope, suddenly you have greater range and can read it again, and then can see even the imperfections and fine details, previously obscurred at that distance] If the image is too blurrerd out when you zoom in it could be because you are using too small a bit rate.

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    Interesting chart:
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    • As Screen Size increases, Viewing Distance increases. Logical.
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    • As Resolution increases, Viewing Distance DECREASES.

     

     

     

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    So, a 37" HDTV @ 480p will look good @ ~11', while a 37" HDTV @ 1080p needs to be viewed @ ~5' for the Full Benefit. smile.gif For my ~11' Viewing Distance, I'll need a projector and a GT 100" screen! biggrin.gif

     


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  • If you want to take advantage of all the greater detail that the new HD standard is capable of delivering, then Yes. [ I have a 12 foot diagonal screen for my projector I view from around 15ft or so.  They too are a fraction of the price they once were.]

     

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    P.S. Do you have a PVR-1212?

     

    Yes
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    Do you use TitanTV and WinTV?

     

    No, I record TV to a cable box DVR and then download on occasion to the PVR-1212 to my PC to archive. I would look for another forum section (or forum) dedicated to them for your answers. I have been in this thread since the beginning and can tell you that there is very little discussion of that topic so I suspect only a few people use it.

 


Edited by m. zillch - 7/31/13 at 11:55pm
post #3698 of 3814
I upgraded to a Win 7 64bit ~ i3 workstation and since it's about 20ft from my DVR I wanted to find out how others are capturing from longer distances..

Is using a USB repeater cable still the way to go? I have what I think is a 16ft repeater cable. It has that bigger block type female coupler on one end... But the cable itself isn't labeled as such. (it might be a cheap knockoff)
I tried using it but it either stutters during preview or cuts out after a minute or two..
Is it faulty? Does it matter where in the USB line I place it? Right now I'm using the original usb cable out of the pvr with the repeater all the way to the PC.

I'm using TME version 1.0.9.9 & Driver 1.7.30059.1
I appreciate any ideas.
Thanks.

Has anybody used this one?
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030312&p_id=8751&seq=1&format=2
Edited by nikknightt - 8/13/13 at 4:31pm
post #3699 of 3814

This repeater is powered by the USB cord itself, or is there a battery or AC power supply attached?

Generally in-line booster devices should get the signal while it is still strong and clean, meaning place it at the source end.

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Has anybody here used this cable?
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030312&p_id=8751&seq=1&format=2
post #3701 of 3814
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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

This repeater is powered by the USB cord itself, or is there a battery or AC power supply attached?
Generally in-line booster devices should get the signal while it is still strong and clean, meaning place it at the source end.

NO battery or AC. It's powered by the USB cable itself.
post #3702 of 3814

Is it possible your unmarked USB repeater is USB 1.0, and that's why it isn't working?

 

RCA cables are pretty cheap and should still work for long runs, the only one I'm less sure of is optical cords in such a 20 ft length. They may be sketchy depending on the particular devices being used.

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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

Is it possible your unmarked USB repeater is USB 1.0, and that's why it isn't working?
RCA cables are pretty cheap and should still work for long runs, the only one I'm less sure of is optical cords in such a 20 ft length. They may be sketchy depending on the particular devices being used.

My bad. I was using 2 cables coupled together out of the PVR then connected to the 16ft repeater.
I now only have 1 cable then the repeater. It's previewing now without stuttering. (1080i) I'm going to leave it on and see if it fails anytime soon.

Before I was sometimes getting the dreaded 'connection not USB 2.0' type of warning.
Hopefully this will work..
If anybody still wants to share their repeater cable setups - Plz do..
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Originally Posted by nikknightt View Post

My bad. I was using 2 cables coupled together out of the PVR then connected to the 16ft repeater.
I now only have 1 cable then the repeater. It's previewing now without stuttering. (1080i) I'm going to leave it on and see if it fails anytime soon.

Before I was sometimes getting the dreaded 'connection not USB 2.0' type of warning.
Hopefully this will work..
If anybody still wants to share their repeater cable setups - Plz do..

It didn't last long.. Maybe 20min.. Then the preview/usb feed was interrupted again.
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You mentioned you switched computers. Are you dead certain that replaying the same source signal over again, but attempting to record it with short cables, is error free?

 

With my setup if my cable box DVR splits out a short glitch in the optical output, my audio  receiver's "Dolby Digital" icon flashes off for a second, no big deal, but the Hauppauge completely locks up for 5 seconds or so and the recording is botched. Are you recording a source, like a cable box DVR, where you can rewind and play the exact same thing to verify it isn't simply a glitch in the video signal at that point in the movie/TV show?

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Originally Posted by nikknightt View Post

It didn't last long.. Maybe 20min.. Then the preview/usb feed was interrupted again.

Have you considered setting up your HDPVR next to your PC instead as closer to your DVR?
Mine is about 15 ft from my Tivo, and is connected to the PC with a 6 ft USB cable. I prefer to use longer cables for the optical audio and component video to the Tivo.
The signal feeds properly, with no interruptions. Just a thought.
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Originally Posted by tightrope View Post

Have you considered setting up your HDPVR next to your PC instead as closer to your DVR?
Mine is about 15 ft from my Tivo, and is connected to the PC with a 6 ft USB cable. I prefer to use longer cables for the optical audio and component video to the Tivo.
The signal feeds properly, with no interruptions. Just a thought.

Thanks. I have a working configuration using my laptop that is within 6ft of the PVR.
Since my new PC is so much faster ~ I wanted to get it setup for capturing also.
Editing with VideoRedo with the i3 processor takes about half the time it does on my laptop..

I'm going to purchase a new repeater cable from monoprice and try it again..
post #3708 of 3814
Well, I received the new repeater cable and it works great.. It's been running for 6hrs without interruption.
But now I have colored lines scrolling across the screen. Guess it's time to go back read all the posts about ground loop.....
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Does anyone use Mediainfo to check out their recordings? When I use it, 90% of the time it reports out the proper time and bit rate for the recording. Occasionaly it reports a bit rate impossibly high and a time that's way too short. When I do a directory listing for the file, the shortened time agrees with Mediainfo, but the movie plays fine and at the proper length.


Thanks,

Jim
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Originally Posted by JimLely View Post

Does anyone use Mediainfo to check out their recordings? When I use it, 90% of the time it reports out the proper time and bit rate for the recording. Occasionaly it reports a bit rate impossibly high and a time that's way too short. When I do a directory listing for the file, the shortened time agrees with Mediainfo, but the movie plays fine and at the proper length.
Thanks,
Jim

I've noticed an issue like that just today capturing with a new Intel i3 PC.. A 1min clip showed as 13sec and 36mbps.
I ran it thru VideoRedo Quick Stream fix and it corrected the problem..
I haven't noticed it before using my AMD Laptop. However I usually run quick stream fix on all my captures without checking the stats first..
Anybody else?
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Can anybody see the purple lines in my screenshot?
I can't see them looking straight on at my PC monitor.. Only if I stand up and look down at an angle..
Are those ground loop lines?
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If those horizontal lines are motionless, then they probably aren't ground loop lines. If they are slowly traveling vertically, usually up the screen (in my experience), then yes , they are ground loop lines.

 

Sometimes you can get ground loop lines in your "preview screen", but luckily (thankfully) they don't actually come out in the recording itself.

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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

If those horizontal lines are motionless, then they probably aren't ground loop lines. If they are slowly traveling vertically, usually up the screen (in my experience), then yes , they are ground loop lines.
Sometimes you can get ground loop lines in your "preview screen", but luckily (thankfully) they don't actually come out in the recording itself.

Yes, They move upward and that screenshot is from VRD. So they do show up in the recording.
I've tried everything I can think of. Unplugging all peripherals. Running a long extension cord across the room to plug the PC into the same outlet as the PVR. (as a test)
The same lines appear.
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Ground loops can be a beach wink.gif to track down. I feel for you. They are especially a pain with satellite systems, instead of cable, because there are no known band-aid devices [F-pin connected transformers] that can deal with the higher bandwidth signal they transmit through their RF connection feed to the roof dish(es). [The coaxial shield of the incoming RG6 feed may be the alternate ground path ("potential") that is causing the whole problem, but you fundamentally have to leave it connected or you get no reception...I guess you could try a test recording while all incoming RF feeds are disconnected though, if you wanted to test that.]

 

I would try lugging the PC temporarily over to the sat box so you can bypass that new USB repeater/extension you got. If the problem is then gone, then that supports the notion that you have to extend the input cords to the Hauppauge HD-PVR, as I and some others suggested, rather than its USB cord output.


Edited by m. zillch - 8/21/13 at 8:16pm
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Originally Posted by nikknightt View Post

I've noticed an issue like that just today capturing with a new Intel i3 PC.. A 1min clip showed as 13sec and 36mbps.
I ran it thru VideoRedo Quick Stream fix and it corrected the problem..
I haven't noticed it before using my AMD Laptop. However I usually run quick stream fix on all my captures without checking the stats first..
Anybody else?

Thanks!
post #3716 of 3814
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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

Ground loops can be a beach wink.gif
 to track down. I feel for you. They are especially a pain with satellite systems, instead of cable, because there are no known band-aid devices [F-pin connected transformers] that can deal with the higher bandwidth signal they transmit through their RF connection feed to the roof dish(es). [The coaxial shield of the incoming RG6 feed may be the alternate ground path ("potential") that is causing the whole problem, but you fundamentally have to leave it connected or you get no reception...I guess you could try a test recording while all incoming RF feeds are disconnected though, if you wanted to test that.]
I would try lugging the PC temporarily over to the sat box so you can bypass that new USB repeater/extension you got. If the problem is then gone, then that supports the notion that you have to extend the input cords to the Hauppauge HD-PVR, as I and some others suggested, rather than its USB cord output.

I did end up bringing the PC to the PVR. The case, the monitor, everything.. You tell me if what I saw is crazy or not..
I previewed the video thru TME & the lines were still there..
I then disconnected my HDMI monitor and connected an old Dell VGA LCD to the PC ~ No lines..
What does that mean? Could the HDMI connection or the monitor have some sort of issue?

And better yet, This would mean that the capture would be 'line' free.. Only visible during playback??
post #3717 of 3814
Has anybody tried the new Hauppauge Capture app with the 1212?
Is it better than TME? Any feedback to share?

Somebody posted some videos of it here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1460986/hd-pvr-2-1512-owners-thread/90#post_23657719
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Quote:
What does that mean? Could the HDMI connection or the monitor have some sort of issue?

Yes, absolutely.

 

When there is a ground loop it means the device "sees" more than one ground potential. However it is not just from the incoming wires, it is also the out going wires, even the ones you aren't actively using, and even the ones that aren't actively being used by the peripheral devices you aren't even actively using.

 

 

Here's some examples: a TV monitor you don't even have turned on during your recording session or an inactive subwoofer [especially since you'd rarely have it plugged to the same AC power outlet as the main system] on the other side of the room, connected to an inactive AVR. I guess in theory even the RJ45 telephone jack some sat products use could even be the culprit.

 

Is that HDMI TV connected to a different AC outlet? That could be it right there. [or any devices plugged to that TV, even off, that aren't plugged to the same outlet as the PC and Hauppauge.

post #3719 of 3814
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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

Yes, absolutely.
When there is a ground loop it means the device "sees" more than one ground potential. However it is not just from the incoming wires, it is also the out going wires, even the ones you aren't actively using, and even the ones that aren't actively being used by the peripheral devices you aren't even actively using.
Here's some examples: a TV monitor you don't even have turned on during your recording session or an inactive subwoofer [especially since you'd rarely have it plugged to the same AC power outlet as the main system] on the other side of the room, connected to an inactive AVR. I guess in theory even the RJ45 telephone jack some sat products use could even be the culprit.
Is that HDMI TV connected to a different AC outlet? That could be it right there. [or any devices plugged to that TV, even off, that aren't plugged to the same outlet as the PC and Hauppauge.

The HDMI monitor I was referring to is the PC monitor. The one I had moved across the room with the pc case. All the same suspects were plugged in to the same outlet.
Replaced the HDMI monitor with the VGA and the lines disappeared. Nothing besides keyboard, mouse & monitor were connected.
I won't be buying a new monitor anytime soon so If I can't clear this up ~ I'll end up capturing with my laptop and then 'sharing' the file across my network to this new faster PC for editing.
Thanks for helping.
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Originally Posted by nikknightt View Post

The HDMI monitor I was referring to is the PC monitor. The one I had moved across the room with the pc case. All the same suspects were plugged in to the same outlet.
Replaced the HDMI monitor with the VGA and the lines disappeared. Nothing besides keyboard, mouse & monitor were connected.
I won't be buying a new monitor anytime soon so If I can't clear this up ~ I'll end up capturing with my laptop and then 'sharing' the file across my network to this new faster PC for editing.
Thanks for helping.

Try a different HDMI cable, maybe it has a bad ground problem.

Mike T
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