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post #3721 of 3814
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Originally Posted by nikknightt View Post

Has anybody tried the new Hauppauge Capture app with the 1212?
Is it better than TME? Any feedback to share?

Somebody posted some videos of it here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1460986/hd-pvr-2-1512-owners-thread/90#post_23657719

I have tried it once and I think I like it better so far, seems more responsive.

Mike T
post #3722 of 3814
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Originally Posted by mtallent View Post

I have tried it once and I think I like it better so far, seems more responsive.

Mike T

Is there any improvement in encoding? Bitrate? Audio?
post #3723 of 3814
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Originally Posted by nikknightt View Post

Has anybody tried the new Hauppauge Capture app with the 1212?
Is it better than TME? Any feedback to share?

Somebody posted some videos of it here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1460986/hd-pvr-2-1512-owners-thread/90#post_23657719

I tried it and it is a lot more responsive and I believe the output is better quality also. One thing I have not found is how to set the length of the capture. TME allowed me to put a time in the "Capture Duration" field so it would stop when the show was done. Anyone see a way to do this with Hauppauge Capture?
post #3724 of 3814
I would not think there would be much change in the quality as the encoding is done in hardware. I always capture at the max bit rate and then edit with VideoRedo and if it is a film source I re-encode to 1080P and do a small amount of intelligent edge enhancement using filter with AVISynth, looks pretty good.

Mike T
post #3725 of 3814
One thing that is working with Hauppauge Capture that I could never get to sync with TME is reading a VCR into the front composite connections on the 1212. The video quality of a VCR sucks, but there were several that I wanted to save and I could never get a full copy with TME. Hauppauge Capture works great with VCR input.
post #3726 of 3814
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Originally Posted by bpratt View Post

I tried it and it is a lot more responsive and I believe the output is better quality also. One thing I have not found is how to set the length of the capture. TME allowed me to put a time in the "Capture Duration" field so it would stop when the show was done. Anyone see a way to do this with Hauppauge Capture?

It also used to tell you whether the source was 5.1 or 2.0. I wish they'd put that back in.
post #3727 of 3814
I tried the new Hauppauge capture app but since it can't time a recording I decided not to use it.
Now, I can't change the format settings when trying to use TME. Even after uninstalling HCapture.
Guess I'll have to re-install the TME software.. Anybody else have this issue?

I reloaded the latest driver and it works again. (version 1.7.1)
Edited by nikknightt - 8/25/13 at 12:00pm
post #3728 of 3814
Yes, I noticed the same problem. I did not un-install the Hauppauge Capture but I did re-install the TME software, now if I try to run the Hauppauge Capture it crashes on XP.

Mike T
post #3729 of 3814
Heard back from Hauppauge...

They say that if you want ac3 encoding from a PCM source (like VHS/laserdisc/etc), you have to keep the 1212. They won't pay for the encoding on any other version.

I thought that was a software issue but clearly it's not.

That sucks. frown.gif
post #3730 of 3814

Why does that suck? You lost me. What benefit does encoding in 2 ch Dolby get you?

post #3731 of 3814
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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

Why does that suck? You lost me. What benefit does encoding in 2 ch Dolby get you?

It's better than AAC, wouldn't you say?
post #3732 of 3814

I think the main reason to pick one over the other is for compatibility with some external media player that is more friendly to one than the other, if you ask me. or if a disc burning program was partial to one or the other.  I doubt there are substantial differences in the audible audio quality, but I can't say that's a topic I really stay up on. What I can tell you is that newer codecs with slower bitrates sometimes even outperform older ones with faster bitrates, so you can't go by just bitrate, and real differences, if they even exist at all, have to be established in blind listening tests, such as in ABX testing with Foobar 2000, or some equivalent. Anecdotal forum posts and blog posts along the lines of  "This one sounds way better. It is like night and day." are completely worthless, in my way of thinking, due to expectation bias and other scientific protocols not being put in place.

 

If you have some data using MUSHRA testing, or ABC/HR, which shows a significant difference, then by all means, lets see it. Like I said, I don't follow this stuff.

post #3733 of 3814
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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

I think the main reason to pick one over the other is for compatibility with some external media player that is more friendly to one than the other, if you ask me. or if a disc burning program was partial to one or the other.  I doubt there are substantial differences in the audible audio quality, but I can't say that's a topic I really stay up on. What I can tell you is that newer codecs with slower bitrates sometimes even outperform older ones with faster bitrates, so you can't go by just bitrate, and real differences, if they even exist at all, have to be established in blind listening tests, such as in ABX testing with Foobar 2000, or some equivalent. Anecdotal forum posts and blog posts along the lines of  "This one sounds way better. It is like night and day." are completely worthless, in my way of thinking, due to expectation bias and other scientific protocols not being put in place.

If you have some data using MUSHRA testing, or ABC/HR, which shows a significant difference, then by all means, lets see it. Like I said, I don't follow this stuff.

I also don't know how compatible AAC is with all Blu-ray players.

That's in addition to the comparisons...
post #3734 of 3814
Any tricks in getting Hauppauge Capture to work? Tried the beta version, it appeared to install OK but there is no video in the preview pane and on recording only a 0 MB file is obtained. TME2 still works though. This is on an old Dell D830 dual core laptop running Vista.
post #3735 of 3814
I have a friend trying to use the 1212 with a MAC. What's the best capture software to use?? And will that app work with the 1512?
Thanks..
post #3736 of 3814
My Tivo has filled up its fairly small hard drive with stuff that I want to watch, but have not had the time to do so. Therefore, I've just started using the 1212 to move older recording s off my Tivo. Doing this manually, and one show at a time, works - but I wonder if there might be a way to automate the process. Has anyone got any ideas on how to make this easier?

Thanks in advance.
post #3737 of 3814
Subject: Copying Shows Off Your TiVo to Watch Later...
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Originally Posted by Hyrax View Post

...move older recording s off my Tivo. Doing this manually, and one show at a time, works - but I wonder if there might be a way to automate the process. Has anyone got any ideas on how to make this easier?

Thanks in advance.
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AFAIK, there's an app to move shows via ethernet to your computer. Check over on TiVoCommunity (an AVS forum paid for by TiVo). Or, do some SEARCHes here with member name 'Kelson' and keyword 'TiVo'. I recall reading posts from him on this topic over in the DVD Recorders forum.

Have fun! smile.gif
post #3738 of 3814
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Originally Posted by ClearToLand View Post

Subject: Copying Shows Off Your TiVo to Watch Later...
AFAIK, there's an app to move shows via ethernet to your computer. Check over on TiVoCommunity (an AVS forum paid for by TiVo). Or, do some SEARCHes here with member name 'Kelson' and keyword 'TiVo'. I recall reading posts from him on this topic over in the DVD Recorders forum.
Have fun! smile.gif

tivo desktop can copy video files from your tivo dvr to your PC via the network.
I've used it but it was from an older tivo that recorded everything in mpg2. So of course the files were mpeg2.
Not sure if they use H.264 now for encoding. I imagine they do..
post #3739 of 3814
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Originally Posted by Hyrax View Post

My Tivo has filled up its fairly small hard drive with stuff that I want to watch, but have not had the time to do so. Therefore, I've just started using the 1212 to move older recording s off my Tivo. Doing this manually, and one show at a time, works - but I wonder if there might be a way to automate the process. Has anyone got any ideas on how to make this easier?

Thanks in advance.

I use kmttg to copy shows from my Tivo to my PC, it works really well (as long as the shows are not copy-protected, obviously) and has a batch mode.
It is free and can be downloaded from this link:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmttg/
post #3740 of 3814
Thanks for all of the advice on Tivo To Go. I use both Tivo Desktop and kmttg and they are generally great for clear QAM stations. Unfortunately, both Tivo Desktop and kmttg have been giving me a lot of trouble with non-clear QAM stations - a large percent of the recordings from these stations will not transfer (even those not marked as copy protected) from my Premiere. What happens is that the transfer stops less partway through. The author of kmttg tells me that this has been happening since a specific Tivo update and appears to be the result of glitches in the recordings.

One really, really nice thing about the new Tivos (Roamio) is that these Tivo To Go transfers are at least twice as fast as with the last generation Tivos.

It looks as though I'm stuck manually recording the shows. It isn't that bad, but I was hoping some one had done this before and had ideas for making it easier.

Thanks again for the helpful advice:)
post #3741 of 3814
I've been having really bad lip sync problems when recording from my ceton cablecard to my HD-PVR.
Sound starts out in sync .. but then drifts out after 5-10 mins.. and stays that way..
If I stop it and restart it, then its back in sync again.. but drifts out within minutes.

At first I thought it was just on the preview (while capturing) but when I play back the recording its in there too..

I'm using the bundled TME app that came with the hauppauge.

If there's a guru out there, I could use some help.
I use two computers..
htpc - i3 ivb, z77 chpset, ceton cablecard tuner, intel 128gb ssd. WD 1tb caviar blk hdd. pioneer bdxl blu ray.. I have Time Warner Cable hooked up to this one.

2nd pc
amd 1100 thuban, 790fx chpset, hauppauge hdpvr 1212, ocz vector ssd, radeon hd6870, 4 gigs of ram.

I have the hdmi output from the htpc going into an HD Fury iii hdmi to component video converter.. the hdfury also outputs an AC-3 dolby digital stream. (2 ch and 5.1 ch) I have this plugged into the Hauppauge HD-pvr.. the usb from the hauppauge goes into the 2nd computer .. thats where the TME bundled app is running.

I only notice while recording. I have the hauppauge component and optical outputs going into my receiver. The silicon optix video scaler inside the receiver upconverts the component video to hdmi 1080p to the monitors. (receiver has dual hdmi outs)

if I switch from the amd computer to the tv.. there is no delay....

I only see it on the amd computer thats holding the file / TME software...(hdpvr does hardware capture)

Not sure what is causing the audio to drift out of sync with the video. (suspect TME software but am not sure)
Is this a known problem... (I mean geez.. its a freakin six core cpu with an ssd for cryin out loud. I would hope thats enough)
I don't see the system under ANY strain...(the h.264 encoder is in the hdpvr hardware ... right)

I only noticed this when trying to capture video with DD 5.1 sound..
2 channel ac-3 does not seem to have the issues..

Any suggestions?

I only provided general info about my systems.. Just let me know what is needed (info wise) and I will try to provide..
Thank you!
Edited by NCoastTweaker - 11/11/13 at 5:15pm
post #3742 of 3814

^Maybe try recording in M2TS instead of TS? I can't say I'm an expert on such matters but M2TS is said to have a better structure for maintaining lip synch, at the expense of ever so slightly larger file sizes.

post #3743 of 3814
^ That's what I did to solve the sync problem when I had it. I tried using MP4 and at least half of the time there were sync problems. Then I tried .TS and sync problems happened less often, but still happens occasionally. I've yet to experience it with M2TS. I then run the M2TS files through MKVMerge because M2TS files are not supported by as many video players. MKVMerge allows batch processing by a command line, so this is fairly easy to automate.
post #3744 of 3814
If you suspect the TME software, why not try Hauppauge Capture?
post #3745 of 3814
I did try to record as m2ts but it too drifted out of sync. I noticed it when the program would transistion to the commercials... if I paused windows media center and then hit play then it would go back into sync.. but after awhile.. drift out.

The AMD base computer I'm using with it is not the newest.. but heck, I thought a six core cpu would do the job.. maybe it just aint got enough umph..

I'm on the original software.. i haven't tried updating it.. I have another computer that I was using for benchmarking..
(intel i5-3770K , Sapphire Vapor-X HD7970 6GB version, OCZ Vector 128gb HD, Corsair AX850 psu,Pioneer blu ray BDR205 burner,
obsidian 650D case, XPSC Rasa water cooler for cpu,120mm x 240mm radiator,2 nidec servo fans)

Maybe I should move the hauppauge over there and load the latest stuff on that one..

Maybe could try capture...is that on the company site? I'd like to check out some info about it..
Edited by NCoastTweaker - 11/13/13 at 4:44pm
post #3746 of 3814
Its been my experience that audio sync issues are common to those using SPDIF/Toslink audio connections.
Changing to audio carried over HDMI will solve it.
If this information doesn't apply to you.... sorry for that.
post #3747 of 3814
NcoastTweaker, What version of TME are you using and what driver revision?
I have driver 1.730059 and TME 1.0.9.9 with an AMD dual core with 2gb ram. No sync problems. Your PC should be powerful enough.
(I dont have media center. dont know diddly about it)

Can you remove the HDfury and still connect the PVR?
Have you tried testing a different source?

Heres the support page to update your driver if you need to
http://www.hauppauge.com/site/support/support_hdpvr.html

Release Notes, version 1.7.1:
This driver now supports Windows 7 Media Center. Your HD PVR can now be used in Windows Media Center as a TV recorder for cable TV and satellite set top boxes. Note: the installation for Windows 7 Media Center requires two parts: this driver plus the updates described under the "For Windows Media Center" tab above. First install this driver, then click on the "For Windows Media Center" tab above for instructions.
post #3748 of 3814
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Originally Posted by nikknightt View Post

NcoastTweaker, What version of TME are you using and what driver revision?
I have driver 1.730059 and TME 1.0.9.9 with an AMD dual core with 2gb ram. No sync problems. Your PC should be powerful enough.
(I dont have media center. dont know diddly about it)

Can you remove the HDfury and still connect the PVR?
Have you tried testing a different source?

Heres the support page to update your driver if you need to
http://www.hauppauge.com/site/support/support_hdpvr.html

Release Notes, version 1.7.1:
This driver now supports Windows 7 Media Center. Your HD PVR can now be used in Windows Media Center as a TV recorder for cable TV and satellite set top boxes. Note: the installation for Windows 7 Media Center requires two parts: this driver plus the updates described under the "For Windows Media Center" tab above. First install this driver, then click on the "For Windows Media Center" tab above for instructions.

Awesome has anyone tried it yet? I disconnected mine a couple weeks ago and was thinking of selling it but this may change my mind.

BTW, I have the PVR-HD 1512 not the 1212.
Edited by cherrypik - 11/15/13 at 12:05pm
post #3749 of 3814
I'm using the HDfury and have no sync problems with .ts files. I'm also using the latest driver and TME version with Windows 7.
post #3750 of 3814
I'm running driver version 1.7.30059.1 on Windows 7 pro 64bit. The applications were installed from the included software disk. (version 2.4(CD-HD-PVR-V2.4) I checked programs and settings in control panel and TME is product version: 1.0.9.9 So it looks like I am running current drivers on the AMD Thuban based pc.

I only have HDMI AND DVI outputs on the HTPC mobo. The HDF3 makes it possible to connect the HTPC up to the component inputs of the HD-PVR.
I want 1080i / Dobly Digital AC-3.. Hell I'm compromising enough just using 1080i and AC-3 lossy codec.

what is wierd about this problem is that when I use passthru, (component output of HD PVR to Denon component in) I see no lag issues at all... I only see the lag issues when I try using the tme software on the pc. (I was thinking that if the hdfury was causing a sync issue, i would see it during passthru play as well as when its getting processed by TME.)



Here is a diagram of my setup.
[IMG ALT=""]I do have another alternative to try as a test against the hdfury.. Its an HP DMR-2200 Media Extender / dvd player. it has hdmi output / and component video / SPDIF optical outputs , and s-video / analog stereo outputs.. I could hook that up direct to the hauppauge component and optical inputs, then play back from the cable tuner in the htpc over the network.. At least then I could check to see if the audio / video sync issues are still present when using TME to capture. I had it hooked up that way a few months back, but I can't remember seeing any audio sync issues... it would at least help to determine if the root cause is the fury or the TME software/hardware running on the amd system. I just don't trust trying to run the hdpvr straight from media center. Thats why I'm using a 2nd pc with the hd-pvr... as a third option: I also have a newer intel i5 ivb / z77 bench system that I could install the hauppauge software onto...
Edited by NCoastTweaker - 11/16/13 at 9:26am
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