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post #31 of 49
Sorry for the bad photo taking skills, i guess since this is peter's thread i should take photo like him :P
post #32 of 49
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Originally Posted by ciputra View Post

Sorry for the bad photo taking skills, i guess since this is peter's thread i should take photo like him :P

Certainly good enough to get the grand nature of the room. Thanks very much for spending the time.

Art
post #33 of 49
Ciputra,

Do a search for Moome HD Mux. Why not use a 4kW lamp?
post #34 of 49
Hi Odissey,
The 3kw is the standard lamp that one can get from barco, other than the 6K. What is the runtime for a 4K lamp? the 3Kw is 1500hours
Thanks for the moome tip, the other option is the Spatz DVImagic, waiting for my contact if he still have them
post #35 of 49
I don't know the 4kW lamp run time, but it should be at least as long as the 3kW and allow you to use CLO. Everything else equal, lower lamp current should result in longer life.

I can confirm that the Moome works well with a DP100. Aso, it offers an option to maintain YCbCr and not convert to RGB.
post #36 of 49
Hi Odi,
If using a 3kw at 110amp and a 4kw also at 110amp, there don't seem a need to use a 4Kw then. Byw as usual the CLO in this unit is optional Moome's HD-mux is interesting but reading at the curt's not many people have received theirs i supposed
post #37 of 49
You can drop the 4kW lamp current to about 80 amps and increase its life. The CLO is an option, but very useful. However, you have to start well below maximum lamp current to allow the automatic increase as the lamp ages. If you go to the 4kW lamp, you can also increase white luminance. Many of us calibrate to at least 20 fL, but even 16 or 18 should be looked at. Also, I am not sure that you can maintain 14 fL, which really should be the minimum, with the 3kW lamp as it ages.

If you are stuck, I may have an extra HD Mux and the DTronics unit also. You should also check with Barco to see if the HDCP daughter card is compatible with the DP90. I don't think that it is, but it's worth a try.
post #38 of 49
I'm pretty sure the it is not compatible or a compatible one is yet to be developed for the DP90/100.
post #39 of 49
Lucky dude to be able to look "om shanti om" that big. Shahrukh rulez. The sofas really look "lost in space"....
post #40 of 49
This is a pretty spectacular setup and I don't want to take anything away from the Barco. Just a couple of points though:

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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

Congrats to him for taking the high MTF road.

With 4K material the 4K projector will have higher MTF because the nyquist limit ends at 2K for the 2K projector. Even with 2K material I would expect the 4K projector to have higher MTF although a lot of other factors would be involved including lens quality and 3-panel alignment. The lens quality on the Meridian is supposed to be superb. There are a lot of reasons for preferring the image on the Barco, but I don't think that MTF is one of them.

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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

Hi Adiodadi, No I did not see the Meridian version but the JVC on which it is based and it was setup with all the shading and color uniformity tweaks for a special demo of the Trident in 4k.

Based on conversations I've had with someone who is knownledgeable about both the Meridian and the JVC they share the same basic parts but there are significant differences between the two.
post #41 of 49
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Originally Posted by Mark Petersen View Post

This is a pretty spectacular setup and I don't want to take anything away from the Barco. Just a couple of points though:



With 4K material the 4K projector will have higher MTF because the nyquist limit ends at 2K for the 2K projector. Even with 2K material I would expect the 4K projector to have higher MTF although a lot of other factors would be involved including lens quality and 3-panel alignment. The lens quality on the Meridian is supposed to be superb. There are a lot of reasons for preferring the image on the Barco, but I don't think that MTF is one of them.



Based on conversations I've had with someone who is knowledgeable about both the Meridian and the JVC they share the same basic parts but there are significant differences between the two.

I had a chance to dissect the meridian and jvc in multiple sessions, MTF at 2k is still an issue although not as much as I previously thought. the Meridian Image is wonderfully captivating but a 70mm replica is not. There is something otherworldly about the meridian image. Would I use it? Sure in a giant rear projection setup with very short viewing ratios, but not for movie watching, in fact I recommend it for everything except movie watching, that includes regular hdtv, concerts,sports simulations, remote telepresence ,YOU NAME IT except as qualified. 3-D this is one area where the seamlessness of the 8k platform enhances the 3-D effect. Even in JVC's 2k 3-D demo the effect was phenomenal, the closest thing you will experience to a fluid View master experience. I can only imagine how much better it would be on a meridian stack.



The meridian video processor is grand, but it was too squeaky clean, they even show the heavily dnr'd Patton and some of the other material is heavily dnr'd for consistency. I theorized in another thread that different Super High End projectors trigger different hormonally balanced responses. I find that the Barco with the s-shape gamma curve and the 5,6k-1 mods will provided an image reminiscent of 70 mm (due to the massive depth) , I believe that such image triggers dopamine in the brain. By contrast the clinically utopian squeaky clean ultra-resolute rendering of the Meridian does not infuse quite the dopamine but instead a serotonin richer mix (A Disney ride on acid- what one would imagine it to be without actually indulging).

The JVC is very nice and its presentation was superior to the meridian (simply because it was all played from a 4k deck, both 4k material and 2k reels bumped to 4k, the film grain preservation was thus exquisite there.
post #42 of 49
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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post

Certainly good enough to get the grand nature of the room. Thanks very much for spending the time.

Art

Dude that is SICK!
post #43 of 49
Yea ain't it.

Art
post #44 of 49
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

The JVC is very nice and its presentation was superior to the meridian (simply because it was all played from a 4k deck, both 4k material and 2k reels bumped to 4k, the film grain preservation was thus exquisite there.

Very entertaining post Max I'm glad you liked the JVC and the Meridian after you've had a chance to view them. From what I've heard Meridian provided some of their own specs and I think the 4K machines are where JVC and Meridian diverge as far as being identical.

Back on topic though, the sheer size of that room is really impressive.
post #45 of 49
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

the Meridian Image is wonderfully captivating but a 70mm replica is not.

As I said to you at CEDIA when I was only half joking, the JVC didn't remind me of 70mm. It reminded me of IMAX. I know different strokes for different folks, and I didn't see the Wolf demo or the Meridian demo at the show, but to my eyes the JVC 4k was the class of what I saw at the show. The Titan has a different kind of look that I can see some prefering, but the JVC images had a more natural look to my eyes, not even counting the 4k content. Even with the 2k content scaled up I felt like I could watch it at .5x the screen width or so, which I figure was probably about how far back the 2nd row was where we sat. I would have loved to have seen the smilebox version of How the West Was Won on it. I think sitting close really helps the effect with that one.

--Darin
post #46 of 49
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Originally Posted by darinp2 View Post

As I said to you at CEDIA when I was only half joking, the JVC didn't remind me of 70mm. It reminded me of IMAX. I know different strokes for different folks, and I didn't see the Wolf demo or the Meridian demo at the show, but to my eyes the JVC 4k was the class of what I saw at the show. The Titan has a different kind of look that I can see some prefering, but the JVC images had a more natural look to my eyes, not even counting the 4k content. Even with the 2k content scaled up I felt like I could watch it at .5x the screen width or so, which I figure was probably about how far back the 2nd row was where we sat. I would have loved to have seen the smilebox version of How the West Was Won on it. I think sitting close really helps the effect with that one.

--Darin


Until some expert viewer can come down here and corroborate my claim, take my word that the cinema dlp hacked for contrast and with s gamma is on a class of it's own in perceived depth (that is what I refer to as pseudo 70mm and I attribute greatly to the projectors huge MTF and s/n ratio). The Titan Reference(6.2k-1on/off,3,300 ansi lumens) with s-gamma settings can be made to approximate the Barco but the s/n ratio of the 1920x1080 platform does get in the way, it gets in the way even more on the Wolf due to it's native platform selection which has consistently being noisy looking (in my observations over repeated viewings since it's inaugural display in Info comm 2006). That platform does benefit from the isco softness in smudging the noise a bit as evidenced in previous Runco Vx-55 displays.

That being said the JVC was a very competent picture but in a way Darin it was rigged the Meridian is more honest in it's content, it certainly benefits sitting close with these ones, agreed 100% that it calls for Imax seating distances, the problem is YOU NEED REAR PROJECTION for these projectors to be able to get at an arms length of the screen without seeing your o0wn silloutte, the JVC/Meridian and Stewart Starglass (9'x16') are the ideal mix- I see a huge future for it in the super high end secondary media room.
[I envision large estates outfitted with more than one super high end theater, I see a 40 foot long movie theater equipped with cinema dlp, a gaming room outfitted with a 8k giant 150' plasma(with 3-D), an outdoor pavillion with a giant 3-d outdoor rear projection screen, and a 103" plasma in the bedroom(with 3-d)- to me having such a 3-D multiplex in a large estate makes sense for people in the industry that have access to Dolby Show Content, it will allow them to savour every nuance in all these advanced display technologies during different occasions and with different company ]

3-D 103 panny.


For example this is a prime candidate for a CINERAMAX MULTIPLEX



I am point blank going to say that due to the periphery fill of sitting close to such a screen THE LCOS higher fill factor CREAMS DLP FOR 3-D applicability.

To me 3-d should seem like a giant Viewmaster come alive...


and no one projector has taken me closer to that experience than a pair of lowly rs-20's feeding sensio pro Beowulf in hd. It brought tears to me eyes
how uncanny this technology replicated my viewmaster days in the late sixtees.

The Smile vision is something that has me captivated, but with the enormous depth of field of the Titan, and since Ruben has the capacity to crank out unusually deep curved screens (PLEASE WOLF DON'T USE THIS IDEA ON YOUR NEXT CEDIA) I am very tempted to recreate the cineramax curve required to make the Smilebox footprint a constant height deep curve display. Yes Personal CINERAMA [IDNK that CINERAMA was an anachronism for AMERICAN , guess that makes me an Extreme American, how cool is that].

Darin- Did you actually see a video processor at the JVC 4K booth? I did not, I asked and 4 engineers told me everything was coming of a 4k deck, the 2k video was bumped up (that is why all that wonderful grain was there-no wonder it reminded you of Imax). Enter the need for the Meridian- the Marvel processor works fabulously (except heavily DNRing all grain in it's path).

What can I say, I need this Wall Street bailout to work and work fast , there is a lot of experimenting to do in the coming years and I need patrons with really deep pockets this time to be able to accomplish it all.
post #47 of 49
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Originally Posted by darinp2 View Post

Even with the 2k content scaled up I felt like I could watch it at .5x the screen width or so, which I figure was probably about how far back the 2nd row was where we sat.
--Darin


Well that certainly would be a big advantage for 4K devices.

Art
post #48 of 49
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post

Well that certainly would be a big advantage for 4K devices.

Art

But at this point (sitting at .5sw or even.5h) you no longer want 2.35 wide screen, now you really need something like Imax or say 16x9 ar, because the image periphery gets too spread out. It really calls for a rear screen setup.
post #49 of 49
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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post

Well that certainly would be a big advantage for 4K devices.

Art

Art, you really need 4K in your HT. Tell you what, if you bring the 4K, I'll bring the popcorn
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