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post #121 of 603
9/24/08 at 4:57am
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Originally Posted by happy hopping View Post

The old LC-65SE94U manual said 16x12. My video card can do a lot more.

Try feeding the display its native resolution.

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1) what do they mean by "Solar powered LCD"? (see top of the following photo)

http://www.marcush.de/wp-content/upl...80829_0095.jpg

They mean exactly what they say.

Sharp is one of the world's biggest manufacturers of solar panels, so it's easy enough for them to hook one of their LCDs up to one of their solar panels to give them something gimmicky to drag along to trade shows. It isn't a commericial product.
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post #122 of 603
9/24/08 at 7:16am
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Originally Posted by Carled View Post

Try feeding the display its native resolution.


They mean exactly what they say.

Sharp is one of the world's biggest manufacturers of solar panels, so it's easy enough for them to hook one of their LCDs up to one of their solar panels to give them something gimmicky to drag along to trade shows. It isn't a commericial product.

Yes, they are. In fact, I have 20 of their panels on my roof right now generating approximately 3.5kW of clean electrical energy. I have room to add four more panels which I plan to do next year in preparation for the purchase of a PHEV. I will be able to generate my own power to recharge the battery in my vehicle.

westa6969 - Your attitude regarding energy consumption is very amusing. I will avoid any political comments because they are not allowed, but I am ranking wattage consumption of any new TV at the top of my specs list. I've already eliminated the Sony 70XBR7 because it is spec'ed to use 700 watts during operation. That is unacceptable to me.
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post #123 of 603
9/24/08 at 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by stephenC View Post

I've already eliminated the Sony 70XBR7 because it is spec'ed to use 700 watts during operation. That is unacceptable to me.

Not that bad and there are ways out:
This is max power with display blindingly bright. Normal usage should be 1/2-2/3 of that and bit less with good calibration. Then you could use brightness ecologically to get even lower. Even more, this TV price is such that you should have some spare money to add one or two Sharp photovoltaic panels on your roof. This proves that enough money can solve any problem
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post #124 of 603
9/24/08 at 12:54pm
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Originally Posted by stephenC View Post

Yes, they are. In fact, I have 20 of their panels on my roof right now generating approximately 3.5kW of clean electrical energy. I have room to add four more panels which I plan to do next year in preparation for the purchase of a PHEV. I will be able to generate my own power to recharge the battery in my vehicle.

Good on ya'.
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post #125 of 603
9/24/08 at 3:19pm
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Originally Posted by Sweet Humble Pie View Post

He may be referring to the various diffusive films, BEF, DBEF etc that sit between the backlight and the LCD. It would take a real trick, though, to have those cause banding.

Yeah, but CCFL and LED based sets both have those, so why would the LED set not have banding again?
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post #126 of 603
9/24/08 at 3:21pm
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Originally Posted by Stereodude View Post

Yeah, but CCFL and LED based sets both have those, so why would the LED set not have banding again?

We're in agreement. It would be non-trivial to accomplish this on purpose, highly unlikely it's an accidental cause for either tech.
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post #127 of 603
9/24/08 at 10:47pm
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Originally Posted by stephenC View Post


westa6969 - Your attitude regarding energy consumption is very amusing. I will avoid any political comments because they are not allowed, but I am ranking wattage consumption of any new TV at the top of my specs list. I've already eliminated the Sony 70XBR7 because it is spec'ed to use 700 watts during operation. That is unacceptable to me.

That's 1 reason for my question. I turn on the TV as much as 6 hr. during the day. And a few hr. in the evening, over the weekend, it's much more. So if the unit is thinner, and it saves some energy, I'll consider it as 1 of my reason on buying.

And the other reason is, I have 2 UPS, ea. 1 rated at 1500VA (it's the APC Smart UPS), so I need the wattage demand to see what the total is. I may be able to squeeze my VA demand in 1 UPS
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post #128 of 603
9/25/08 at 9:51pm
Sahrp market share goes down is not because of Banding issue, most regular customer even don't know what banding it is. Sharp going down is just because of others catch up now.


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Originally Posted by ecgz88 View Post

another thing have to say is :

not like few years ago, Sharp is the only and Major player in LCD Market

but now people only know Samsung because of cell and Sony because of strong TV Brand.
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post #129 of 603
9/25/08 at 10:08pm
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Originally Posted by ecgz88 View Post

Sahrp market share goes down is not because of Banding issue, most regular customer even don't know what banding it is. Sharp going down is just because of others catch up now.

Ummmm, No.
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post #130 of 603
9/28/08 at 1:51am
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Originally Posted by ALMA View Post

The 42" is only a prototype. In the brochure you can only find the 52" and 65".

since you obviously took the photo at the site, what's your opinion on banding from complaints like this:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1069321&page=2

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=807

is there any banding issue w/ this new series?
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post #131 of 603
9/28/08 at 4:24am
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Originally Posted by stephenC View Post

westa6969 - Your attitude regarding energy consumption is very amusing. I will avoid any political comments because they are not allowed, but I am ranking wattage consumption of any new TV at the top of my specs list. I've already eliminated the Sony 70XBR7 because it is spec'ed to use 700 watts during operation. That is unacceptable to me.

It was partially intended to be humorous while on the other hand it's no one's right to dictate what goes in my living room or bedroom that's when politics ends and anyone's else's interference ends! That sounds like something you'd hear in China.

I actually am very involved in recycling and conservation and have such policies in place on my Network though it may not go as far as some OCD's may prefer but there is active involvement where the process doesn't interfere with the management of the network but all consumables are recycled.

My point is that if you've studied the principles of LED technology no matter the type it has beeen a dramatic energy saver everywhere in it's application and I am assuming it cannot go backwards with this panel - the logic of the technology dictates that as does Sharps history in conservation which is one of the best on the planet.

I'll do my part regardless of politics or advocacy of others but if my primary enjoyment outside working my ass off for 40 years is my HT that shall be my right behind my four walls just as we all do with our energy hogging refrigerators that run 24/7. Can you think of any reason the solid state LED system could be an energy hog - no bulb truly or filament?

If it were up to the politicians they'd TAX the TV energy ratings but - I am involved at home and work but not a fanatic like some flying around in their private jets and enormous estates, half a dozen auto's and making millions like many involved in the cause's concert fund raisers and movie producers. True Advocacy walks the Talk!

Perhaps you are fully 100% at that and if so Bravo you are to be commended and I'm not saying your wrong at all but the rest of us may be taking this a step at a time doing our parts though it may not meet others dictates.

Now bring on the LED and hopefully it is an energy saving 65"! Making it a WIN/WIN!
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post #132 of 603
9/28/08 at 8:46am
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Originally Posted by westa6969 View Post

It was partially intended to be humorous while on the other hand it's no one's right to dictate what goes in my living room or bedroom that's when politics ends and anyone's else's interference ends! That sounds like something you'd hear in China.

I actually am very involved in recycling and conservation and have such policies in place on my Network though it may not go as far as some OCD's may prefer but there is active involvement where the process doesn't interfere with the management of the network but all consumables are recycled.

My point is that if you've studied the principles of LED technology no matter the type it has beeen a dramatic energy saver everywhere in it's application and I am assuming it cannot go backwards with this panel - the logic of the technology dictates that as does Sharps history in conservation which is one of the best on the planet.

I'll do my part regardless of politics or advocacy of others but if my primary enjoyment outside working my ass off for 40 years is my HT that shall be my right behind my four walls just as we all do with our energy hogging refrigerators that run 24/7. Can you think of any reason the solid state LED system could be an energy hog - no bulb truly or filament?

If it were up to the politicians they'd TAX the TV energy ratings but - I am involved at home and work but not a fanatic like some flying around in their private jets and enormous estates, half a dozen auto's and making millions like many involved in the cause's concert fund raisers and movie producers. True Advocacy walks the Talk!

Perhaps you are fully 100% at that and if so Bravo you are to be commended and I'm not saying your wrong at all but the rest of us may be taking this a step at a time doing our parts though it may not meet others dictates.

Now bring on the LED and hopefully it is an energy saving 65"! Making it a WIN/WIN!

I stand corrected. I misunderstood your comment regarding power consumption. I apologize to you.
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post #133 of 603
9/29/08 at 8:56pm
年間消費電力量は65型で294kWh/年、52型で220kW/h年となる。バックライトの寿命目安(輝度半減)は6万時間としている

店頭予想価格は65型が128万円前後、52型が98万円前後の見込み。

JPY 980,000= USD 9359 for 52" LCD


http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/20080930/sharp.htm
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post #134 of 603
9/30/08 at 3:52am
But 294KW/h is based on how many hr. per day though? The no. is not useful. We need the actual watt capacity.

However, it's nice to finally get the price of the 65" is US$12,165.72
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post #135 of 603
9/30/08 at 11:02am
Tuner and display the total power consumption of 65-568W (512W +56 W), 52 type 350W (294W +56 W)

A few other things I found.
-The remote is bluetooth. This won't work to well for those that have universal remotes and custom installers.
-The tv has 1,000 Leds(didn't say 52" or 65") using a light guide plate to get the light to the hole screen and the leds are surrounding the tv behind the bezel.
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post #136 of 603
9/30/08 at 11:24am
Tuner and display? I don't understand this. Can the display be used without the tuner?
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post #137 of 603
9/30/08 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by stephenC View Post

Tuner and display? I don't understand this. Can the display be used without the tuner?

The tv comes with a media receiver box with all the AV inputs. It looks like the display has one HDMI input for the media receiver box(box has 3 hdmi inputs). Usually the media receiver box uses a data cable that is hooked up to the display to control the tv and send it sound, if the this tv doesn't have this then you can use it as a monitor only.
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post #138 of 603
9/30/08 at 2:14pm
Ok, I think I remember a similiar configuration on past models. In fact, if I remember correctly, there was a way for an old Sharp display (can't remember the model) to accept a 1080p signal by directly connecting to the panel and not using the media box. I can see advantages to having multiple connections with the media box and I can see advantages to not using it at all. Hmmm, very interesting. Now, I just have to wait to see if this new XS (Excess?) model will be band free and if I can make myself spend 15000US$ on it given the current world economy.
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post #139 of 603
10/1/08 at 1:13pm
I wonder if anybody noticed information about apparently new technique used in the Sharp LED XS1 model to improve the viewing angle. They call it Multi Pixel Drive and it is works by splitting each color pixel into two subpixels and driving them in some way (no details). Please look at the bottom of the web page.

If the Multi Pixel Drive really operates by separate control of subpixels it is a very serious effort to improve the viewing angle since it doubles the number of pixels which makes the panel complexity much higher.

Adding to this another innovation (less significant but additional complexity) in which LEDs are placed not behind but on the sides of the display and light is distributed by lightguides, there is an explanation why the XS1 sets are so expensive - they are really different category. Now it remains to be seen what is the PQ of those sets, absolutely no artefacts whatsoever???
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post #140 of 603
10/1/08 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by irkuck View Post

I wonder if anybody noticed information about apparently new technique used in the Sharp LED XS1 model to improve the viewing angle. They call it Multi Pixel Drive and it is works by splitting each color pixel into two subpixels and driving them in some way (no details). Please look at the bottom of the web page.

If the Multi Pixel Drive really operates by separate control of subpixels it is a very serious effort to improve the viewing angle since it doubles the number of pixels which makes the panel complexity much higher.

Samsung has been doing this for some time.
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Adding to this another innovation (less significant but additional complexity) in which LEDs are placed not behind but on the sides of the display and light is distributed by lightguides, there is an explanation why the XS1 sets are so expensive - they are really different category. Now it remains to be seen what is the PQ of those sets, absolutely no artifacts whatsoever???

I've designed backlights with LED side lighting and lightguides and I don't see how you can do local area dimming with the LEDs on the side.
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post #141 of 603
10/1/08 at 8:46pm
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Originally Posted by Stereodude View Post

Samsung has been doing this for some time.
I've designed backlights with LED side lighting and lightguides and I don't see how you can do local area dimming with the LEDs on the side.

Maybe they have 1,000 fiber optic tubes going around the tv for each led. I have to guess that local diming on this tv won't be close to the samsung 950 or sony xbr8. Sony is coming out with a 40" using the same backlight technique as this new sharp.
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post #142 of 603
10/1/08 at 10:30pm
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Originally Posted by MUGEN View Post

Sony is coming out with a 40" using the same backlight technique as this new sharp.

Except the Sharp is RGB, the Sony is not.
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post #143 of 603
10/1/08 at 11:20pm
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Originally Posted by JayC76 View Post

Except the Sharp is RGB, the Sony is not.

That's correct. Makes you think why SONY didn't use their triluminos RGB LEDS in the 40zx1 though.
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post #144 of 603
10/1/08 at 11:53pm
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Originally Posted by MUGEN View Post

Makes you think why SONY didn't use their triluminos RGB LEDS in the 40zx1 though.

Perhaps this is why:

(click the faces)
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post #145 of 603
10/2/08 at 12:20am
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Originally Posted by Nambit View Post

Perhaps this is why:

(click the faces)

I don't think pricing has anything to do with it, $2,500 for a 11" OLED ring a bell?

Speaking of pricing, I find the 65" SHARP priced where it should be but the 52" should be in the $6-7,000 range.
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post #146 of 603
10/2/08 at 12:37am
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Originally Posted by MUGEN View Post

I don't think pricing has anything to do with it, $2,500 for a 11" OLED ring a bell?

Speaking of pricing, I find the 65" SHARP priced where it should be but the 52" should be in the $6-7,000 range.

If they did get the 52" down to six grand it'd be a realistic alternative to the XBR8.
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post #147 of 603
10/2/08 at 6:47am
From a "name brand" perspective, Sharp would have to actually undercut the XBR8 to take sales away. Because dollar-for-dollar people would buy a Sony or Samsung over a Sharp.
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post #148 of 603
10/2/08 at 6:58am
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Originally Posted by irkuck View Post

I wonder if anybody noticed information about apparently new technique used in the Sharp LED XS1 model to improve the viewing angle.

I know that viewing angle is important to the Plasma fanatics, evidently they spend enormous amounts of time watching their sets from almost the edge on, but how often is this a real problem for people who own a decent LCD? I know that my Sharp does have some PQ issues at angles past 60 degrees off axis, but I never even get close to watching it from that angle.

With all due respect to stephenC and all the others here who are worried about the power consumption of the sets, is this really an issue or have all of you gone to far down the fashionable PC green pathway? I am not saying that saving power is not good, but that you should choose where and when to do it. IMO the TV is not the place, there are to many other areas that I can improve on before the TV gets looked at.

On the other hand the added control circuits and drivers that an LED backlight would have will add extra power consumption.
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post #149 of 603
10/2/08 at 7:51am
TNG - PGE has just announced a 6% price increase for electricity. Tell me again, what other areas can I reduce power consumption? All my lighting is either CFL or LED, I don't have A/C, my washer and dryer are new and Energy Star rated and low water consumption rated. I have PV solar on my roof generating enough clean power to offset my normal usage. My TV is the last item that is a big power draw. Please enlighten me.
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post #150 of 603
10/2/08 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by Carled View Post

If they did get the 52" down to six grand it'd be a realistic alternative to the XBR8.

If that happens it would be great, but I highly doubt it. I've heard 11k msrp(52") directly from sharp. I'm sure if it is not price controlled, you may be able to get one close to 55XBR8 price a few months after release. The problem is they are not going to make alot of these, and people with money to burn will pay extra for the super thin design. Ohh, and the 65" will be 15k. Our store will probably have an XBR8 in all 50 showrooms, and the XS1 in maybe 5 showrooms to give you an idea of the limited production/distribution.
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