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post #211 of 603
well a little ot for a sharp thread but...is this what you are talking about?

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TRILUMINOS® RGB Dynamic LED Backlight
TRILUMINOS® RGB LED backlight technology aligns individual clusters of red, green, and blue LEDs to produce a significantly higher purity of primary colors than single white LED backlights, resulting in more accurate color reproduction. This clustered arrangement also allows the XBR®8 to adjust the brightness of the backlight in units of small blocks, so it can display deep blacks in one portion of the screen and bright whites in another, producing images with enhanced depth, three-dimensionality and exceptionally accurate shadow detail. And, because it uses LEDs rather than the fluorescent tubes found in many HDTVs, the TRILUMINOS® RGB Dynamic LED backlight also promises exceptionally long life.

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665532062

TVbc
post #212 of 603
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Originally Posted by westa6969 View Post


MSRP of the SE94 65" has recently been lowered to $6999 and selling way below that. IMO Sharp has some big hills to climb to overcome the past two years of banding BS that has becomes it's rep worldwide and hopefully the LED resolves that and brings it to market at $9999 MSRP.

We still sell quite a few Sharps, mainly being the LC-65SE94U. Have not had anyone call to tell me about banding for some time.
post #213 of 603
Chris of Cleveland Plasma - When will you carry the Sharp XS sets?
post #214 of 603
Sure..someday, have heard no info on the new models.
post #215 of 603
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Originally Posted by TVbc View Post

well a little ot for a sharp thread but...is this what you are talking about?


http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665532062

TVbc


They are talking about local dimming.....


sharpbandaid says the XBR3 has leds but no local dimming, unlike the XBR8 which has both....
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post #217 of 603
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Well, if that's how XS1 backlight really looks like, then it's better than even what Dolby Contrast offers as it clearly not only features IMLEDs, but adds color dimming on top of that. That would certainly justify the price Sharp is asking for this thing. Actually, it would be nice bargain.
post #218 of 603
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Originally Posted by vtms View Post

Well, if that's how XS1 backlight really looks like, then it's better than even what Dolby Contrast offers as it clearly not only features IMLEDs, but adds color dimming on top of that. That would certainly justify the price Sharp is asking for this thing. Actually, it would be nice bargain.

However, color reproduction and contrast are not particular issues in the high-end LED sets. Both Sony and Samsung sets excel in this area. The problems in those sets are viewing angle and color blooming especially when viewing from an angle. If Sharp can improve on this, it will be the first ultimate quality LCD (provided it will not exhibit some other problems).
post #219 of 603
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Originally Posted by irkuck View Post

However, color reproduction and contrast are not particular issues in the high-end LED sets. Both Sony and Samsung sets excel in this area. The problems in those sets are viewing angle and color blooming especially when viewing from an angle. If Sharp can improve on this, it will be the first ultimate quality LCD (provided it will not exhibit some other problems).

Blooming is caused by low zone count so sets with higher zone count will eliminate this problem. I also think static contrast and color reproduction have still a lot of improvement to do even with XBR8 and 950 on the market. Local dimming technology is still only in its infancy. Things will get a lot better in the coming years.
post #220 of 603
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Originally Posted by vtms View Post

Blooming is caused by low zone count so sets with higher zone count will eliminate this problem. I also think static contrast and color reproduction have still a lot of improvement to do even with XBR8 and 950 on the market. Local dimming technology is still only in its infancy. Things will get a lot better in the coming years.

I agree with you. I think that's why I'm so hesitant to purchase the XS at such a high price.
post #221 of 603
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Originally Posted by vtms View Post

Blooming is caused by low zone count so sets with higher zone count will eliminate this problem. I also think static contrast and color reproduction have still a lot of improvement to do even with XBR8 and 950 on the market. Local dimming technology is still only in its infancy. Things will get a lot better in the coming years.

First of all, w/ almost any video technology, if you wait, you never have to buy anything. Every yr. there is newer tech. Didn't they say Laser TV is better than LCD and will replace LCD, LED LCD in 5 yr.?

The other thing is, say if you already have a LCD, how much improve there is, in such a way that you can see a reasonable difference?
post #222 of 603
happy hopping - I'm of the mindset to purchase a non-top of the line set now because of the economy. I had my eye on the XBR8, 950 or the XS. But, given my finances I think it makes more sense to buy something at a lower cost. Yes, it won't have LED BL, but I need to replace the LCD RPTV in my Lounge Room soon. What I buy will not have the excellent picture qualities of these top of the line sets, but it should be ok to get me through the current economic downturn. I'm hoping that things will be better in a few years and I'll be able to purchase a new top of the line set in 2011 or 2012.
post #223 of 603
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happy hopping - I'm of the mindset to purchase a non-top of the line set now because of the economy. I had my eye on the XBR8, 950 or the XS. But, given my finances I think it makes more sense to buy something at a lower cost. Yes, it won't have LED BL, but I need to replace the LCD RPTV in my Lounge Room soon. What I buy will not have the excellent picture qualities of these top of the line sets, but it should be ok to get me through the current economic downturn. I'm hoping that things will be better in a few years and I'll be able to purchase a new top of the line set in 2011 or 2012.

Thank you for your position statement but this is absolutely wrong thread to address it. People hanging here are speculating if the XS will offer ultimate PQ and if so then they may feel irresistible urge to swallow-it-no-matter-the-price.
post #224 of 603
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Originally Posted by vtms View Post

Blooming is caused by low zone count so sets with higher zone count will eliminate this problem. I also think static contrast and color reproduction have still a lot of improvement to do even with XBR8 and 950 on the market. Local dimming technology is still only in its infancy. Things will get a lot better in the coming years.

This does not seem to be true in this year sets. Blooming is apparently more related to the viewing angle, that is straight-on it is not visible or negligible.
Also, there are no reported issues with the number of zones. Some people suggested zones are not hard anymore, they are soft.
post #225 of 603
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Originally Posted by irkuck View Post

This does not seem to be true in this year sets. Blooming is apparently more related to the viewing angle, that is straight-on it is not visible or negligible.
Also, there are no reported issues with the number of zones. Some people suggested zones are not hard anymore, they are soft.

Blooming happens whenever a zone is bigger than the portion of the screen the zone tries to illuminate. More, smaller zones = less blooming. Even with 170 zones, we're just barely at 10% of what that number should be. It's very good news that with so few zones these sets don't have many more issues than just blooming.
post #226 of 603
For those interested,
I called Sharp Support today and they confirmed that XS1 series is capable of accepting 1080p/24fps.
post #227 of 603
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For those interested,
I called Sharp Support today and they confirmed that XS1 series is capable of accepting 1080p/24fps.


Did they give you a date when it will be available in the US?
post #228 of 603
He didnt give me an exact date but he said in a few days. I think it would take longer than just a few days.
I checked it with my local Bestbuy general manager and he could not find any mention of it in their system.
post #229 of 603
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Originally Posted by vtms View Post

Blooming happens whenever a zone is bigger than the portion of the screen the zone tries to illuminate. More, smaller zones = less blooming. Even with 170 zones, we're just barely at 10% of what that number should be. It's very good news that with so few zones these sets don't have many more issues than just blooming.

The reason for potential blooming is obvious. However, people report it is non-issue in the current sets in precise straight-on viewing and gets more serious only with off-line viewing (plus reduced black levels and wash-out colors). It thus seems logical to think that with the improved off-line blooming will be negligible issue. Increasing the number of zones within reasonable limits will not eliminate off-line blooming, that should be clear.
post #230 of 603
When is the official US release on these? In 90-something days as I saw on the website?
post #231 of 603
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Originally Posted by vtms View Post

Blooming happens whenever a zone is bigger than the portion of the screen the zone tries to illuminate. More, smaller zones = less blooming. Even with 170 zones, we're just barely at 10% of what that number should be. It's very good news that with so few zones these sets don't have many more issues than just blooming.

You always skip the argument that in the current sets blooming is tied with
off-angle viewing, people do not raise this as issue in front viewing. If so, smaller zones will not help too much.

BTW, how you get this 10%? Apparently thousands of zones would not be economical to make and maybe not necessary. Besides there are reports that current zones are not the hard zones known from last year Samsung sets so not much more than 170 is needed anyway.
post #232 of 603
After digging some more, it seem the XS1 will have Bluetooth remote control. Huge disappointment. The Sony ZX1 goes for RF remote, and now Sharp goes for Bluetooth. Why?? To me that's a big point against it, as one cannot use universal remote. I mean how difficult would it be to put an IR receiver somewhere (even on the tuner box)

Apart from that, not too much info. The only guy that claims exclusive hands-on preview didn't post anything new ( http://www.homecinemachoice.com/revi...lusive+preview ). That must be the lamest hands-on preview. He didn't even say whether it's glossy or mate, viewing angles, reflections, nothing
post #233 of 603
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Originally Posted by irkuck View Post

BTW, how you get this 10%? Apparently thousands of zones would not be economical to make and maybe not necessary.

Thousands of zones are too expensive now, but they are necessary to realize full potential of local dimming technology. The only reason why XBR8 has only 170 zones is not because that's what it takes for Sony's flavor of local dimming to look best, but because that's how many zones Sony can afford now and still bring it to market. There's a reason why Dolby Contrast/Vision relies on 1836 zones and not 170. If Dolby could have achieved the same PQ with only 170 zones, they would definitely have installed no more than 170 zones. The suggestion that 170 zones might be enough to generate the best PQ local dimming can ever hope for is simply inaccurate.
post #234 of 603
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Originally Posted by vtms View Post

If Dolby could have achieved the same PQ with only 170 zones, they would definitely have installed no more than 170 zones. The suggestion that 170 zones might be enough to generate the best PQ local dimming can ever hope for is simply inaccurate.

Theoretically yes, the more zones the better. But, people do not report any zone problems in front viewing this year. They report blooming in offline viewing. Why is that? Why off-line blooming would go away with greater number of zones?
post #235 of 603
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Originally Posted by irkuck View Post

Theoretically yes, the more zones the better. But, people do not report any zone problems in front viewing this year. They report blooming in offline viewing. Why is that? Why off-line blooming would go away with greater number of zones?

I don't know if blooming would go away completely, but more zones would definitely diminish blooming to a large extent. Just because blooming is less of an issue in front viewing than when viewing at an angle doesn't necessarily mean oversized zones are not to blame. They are. It's just when someone looks a the screen at an angle the blooming is more pronounced due to probably how LCs fail to block more light at that angle. After all, there's a reason why LCDs have always struggled with poor viewing angles even before LD tech came along. BTW, I don't care much about blooming. I'm hoping for more zones so that static contrast is improved.
post #236 of 603
Isn't October/November time frame when Sharp typically introduces new models? I know that at the begining of the thread that someone said production would be limited, but will we see these at a local BB by the end of the year, or will they only go to the REAL Magnolia stores?
post #237 of 603
TNG,
The SE94 went to the BB stores with built in Magnolias. Also was at many of the Fry's stores. I would expect the same thing for the XS1.
post #238 of 603
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Originally Posted by darrellt View Post

TNG,
The SE94 went to the BB stores with built in Magnolias. Also was at many of the Fry's stores. I would expect the same thing for the XS1.

The price difference between the XS1 & SE94 is astronomical. I SERIOUSlY doubt Fry's or Best Buy will be carrying it any time soon.
Expect it only to be at specific higher end home theater stores.
post #239 of 603
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blooming_(laser)#Blooming

From the above, they said blooming only occur w/ plasma, they didn't talk about LCD at all. So what's all these talk about blooming and zone?
post #240 of 603
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Originally Posted by happy hopping View Post

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blooming_(laser)#Blooming

From the above, they said blooming only occur w/ plasma, they didn't talk about LCD at all. So what's all these talk about blooming and zone?

Oh man, they're not talking Plasma TV and such, they're only talking about lasers
in general and how it affects plasma in the *AIR*, causing that blooming effect.
If you look closely at a laser in the dark, then you'll see what they're talking about.

Bah... blooming is a term folks are using to describe the effect of slight bleeding
of light on Local-dimmed LED TVs where bright content immediately drops off
onto darker (or black) content. The black bars, for example, may glow a few
pixels near the edge where the bright content of the movie drops off. It's due
to the fact that there are less zones than actual pixels on the TV, so the zone
bleeds a bit onto a pixel that should be off. Meanwhile, the pixels farther away
from the edge (or on the completely turned off zones) are darker. Some describe
it as a halo effect or a glow. In fact, many old-school CRT computer monitors
would also have this blooming effect around text in the dark. Something like that.
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