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post #241 of 275
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London Stock Exchange in historic Linux go-live

http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/...linux-go-live/

TSX, London Stock Exchange to merge

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/201...se-merger.html

London Stock Exchange Finishes Switch To Linux 57

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/0...Linux#comments
post #242 of 275
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20 New User Misconceptions about Linux

http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osr...bout-Linux.htm
post #243 of 275
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Living the Linux Lifestyle

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The fact that I have managed to free myself from DRM, product keys and purchased OS installation CDs is merely a byproduct of no longer locking myself into a proprietary software hell. Not because I wanted a free ride, mind you, but rather because I grew tired of feeling like a cog in some nameless machine.
http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osr...-Lifestyle.htm

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By DigitalFreedom July 26 2010 9:18 AMPDT
Well what attracted me to Linux were more superficial (as I see them now) properties, in essence being free of cost, looking great and having some advanced features that are not available elsewhere. But as I used Linux more and more and learned more about it it slowly became obvious to me that there is something much more important behind it. the new way of thinking: that of software freedom and open source, a new philosophy that gives power back to computer users. a philosophy of empowering users and removing all the limits to learn about the system. Nowdays I see this freedom the most important thing and a thing that keeps me on Linux. It's a bit like comparing democracy (Free/Open Source software) and dictatorship (propriatery closed-source software).
post #244 of 275
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Linux Music Workflow: Switching from Mac OS X to Ubuntu with Kim Cascone
by Kim Cascone

http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/0...h-kim-cascone/

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Here’s a switcher story of a different color: from the Mac, to Linux. It’s one thing to talk about operating systems and free software in theory, or to hear from died-in-the-wool advocates of their platform of choice. In this case, we turn to Kim Cascone, an experienced and gifted musician and composer with an impressive resume of releases and a rich sens of sound. This isn’t someone advocating any platform over another: it’s an on-the-ground, in-the-trenches, real-world example of how Kim made this set of tools work in his music, in the studio and on tour. A particular thanks, as he’s given me some new ideas for how to work with Audacity and Baudline. Kim puts his current setup in the context of decades of computer work. Even if you’re not ready to leave Mac (or Windows) just yet, Kim’s workflow here could help if you’re looking to make a Linux netbook or laptop more productive in your existing rig.
post #245 of 275
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Featured Comments from "Linux is User Friendly" Article

http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/01/f...x-is-user.html

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"It's a point of view, you’re either a windows user or a linux user. My brother is a windows user, runs XP (that’s like 10 years old) he uses a pirate copy of Office 2000. He gets viruses and spyware and has to register and activate software and save product keys. I’ve installed openoffice and firefox on his computer and he doesn’t like them. I explained he gets more viruses through IE (although I don’t think you can install the new IE on XP) but he’s waiting until next year to buy a new computer with Win7 pre-installed because he thinks his computer is running out of memory and he doesn’t want to pay $200 for the new OS, he may pay $150 for the Student Office. He thinks that’s how computers are suppose to be.

My wife got a netbook with linux pre installed. The OS was old so I upgraded it to linux mint, never had to activate or find a key. She has no idea what a terminal is and I’m not a terminal fan. It had a wireless driver issue where I had to plug the netbook into an ethernet cable for it to automatically download the drivers (on my old xp desktop with the OEM disk I had to search for and download drivers and patches). None of my linux computers have antivirus software running, I never buy software (wait that’s not true, I spent $5 for World of Goo) I never have to buy a new computer because I want the new OS or because it’s running slow. I buy a new computer because the old one died. and that's how I think that computers are suppose to be"
post #246 of 275
I still use my Ubuntu Ultimate 2.9 religiously, love using my linux box, about two months ago, I bought a Ceton Quad HD tuner card for sharing cable tv, for use with Windows media center edition, where I could use linksys dma-2100 extenders to each and every hdtv in the house, and not need cable boxes at each tv, lot's of people are requesting for linux support from Ceton Corp, of which sounds that something like that will not happen, they are probably a Microsoft partner, probably getting special conditions for only supporting windows, but I would love to build my own drivers for this device, as this would be the ultimate DVR, with Linux/ Ubuntu's capabilities......

BTW: My new Win7, Home Premium, 32bit box, built just for the Ceton Quad tuner card, the os is not installing all the updates correctly direct from microsoft, I had to call a tech support to help resolve my os, of which he could not, he asked me if I had another PC to use, and I told him, at least my 3 year old Ubuntu Linux box has never let me down, at least I still use this as my main PC, and he was laughing in the background.....

I will never stop using Linux, thanks for posting such valuable info here, it's much appreciated!
post #247 of 275
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Munich's Move To Linux Exceeds Target

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/1...exceeds-target

http://www.h-online.com/open/news/it...t-1397238.html

http://www.muenchen.de/Rathaus/dir/l...ish/index.html

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As for TFA its nice to see that some that try switching aren't doing it for the WRONG reasons, because they always seem to lead to failure. if you want to switch to Linux because its open? Because it lets YOU decide how long support will last? Because it allows you to look at and modify the code to suit YOUR needs? Congratulations you have switched for the RIGHT reasons and will most likely succeed

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As a Munich user, I can tell you that (since the switch to Linux):

The Finance Databases are always available (they previously had significant down-time).

Log-in takes seconds (not the tens of minutes that previously happened with the Windows systems) - the accumulated savings in work time are huge for log-in alone!

Applications load and run faster - again saving workers significant time.

E-mail always works (the Windows mail servers were frequently unavailable).

Security is enhanced, and there are no panicked messages sent around about this week's virus!

It's just MUCH better and lets us all get our work done more easily. The savings in time, user frustration and in software licences is massive. The staff requirements to maintain the system are fewer, better able people. We've just demonstrated our system to a numer of other cities, and many more are going to adopt it...
post #248 of 275
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Munich Has Saved €4M So Far After Switch To Linux
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/0...witch-to-linux

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"Mayor Ude reported today that the city of Munich has saved €4 million so far (Google translation of German original) by switching its IT infrastructure from Windows NT and Office to Linux and OpenOffice. At the same time, the number of trouble tickets decreased from 70 to 46 per month. Savings were €2.8M from software licensing and €1.2M from hardware because demands are lower for Linux compared to Windows 7."

Munich Mayor Says Switch to Linux Saved Money, Reduced Complaints

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...omplaints.html

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As of March 23, 10,000 systems were running LiMux, according to Kirsten Böge, change manager of the Limux project. The client is based on Ubuntu, and KDE is used for the graphical user interface. All PCs will be equipped with OpenOffice.org, Firefox, mail client Thunderbird and image editing software Gimp. As of January, 15,000 workplaces were using Firefox, Thunderbird and OpenOffice.
post #249 of 275
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Is Open Source Up to Par? Just Ask the DoD

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...ml#tk.mod_stln

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The DoD then goes on to provide a nice analogy: "Imagine if only the manufacturer of a rifle were allowed to clean, fix, modify or upgrade that rifle. The military often finds itself in this position with taxpayer funded, contractor developed software: one contractor with a monopoly on the knowledge of a military software system and control of the software source code."

That has a familiar ring to it too, doesn't it?

"This is optimal only for the monopoly contractor," the document goes on to point out, "but creates inefficiencies and ineffectiveness for the government, reduction of opportunities for the industrial base, severely limits competition for new software upgrades, depletes resources that can be used to better effect and wastes taxpayer-provided funds."



I don't think I could have put it better myself.

Open technology, by contrast, offers increased agility and flexibility, faster delivery, increased innovation, reduced risk, lower cost and information assurance and security, the DoD asserts.
post #250 of 275
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US Consumer Financial Protection Bureau Embraces FOSS, Publishes On Github

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/04/...shes-on-github

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In 2009, however, the Department of Defense made it clear that open-source software products are on equal footing with their proprietary counterparts. We agree, and the first section of our source code policy is unequivocal: We use open-source software, and we do so because it helps us fulfill our mission. Open-source software works because it enables people from around the world to share their contributions with each other. The CFPB has benefited tremendously from other people's efforts, so it's only right that we give back to the community by sharing our work with others

http://www.consumerfinance.gov/blog/...en-and-shared/

http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/09/u-s...hes-on-github/
post #251 of 275
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Elephants Dream Director Readies Blender-Animated Tube

http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/04...-animated-tube

http://urchn.org/media

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"Bassam Kurdali's free culture 3D animation, Tube, is nearing the final stages of production. Tube is a collaborative effort between 56 artists from 22 countries some of which are at war. After directing the first of the Blender Institute's 'Open Movie Projects,' Elephants Dream, Bassam wanted to prove the viability of free cultural works and usability of free software like Blender and PiTiVi for independent filmmakers. Just a few days after launching a Kickstarter campaign to raise funds for the project, the goal has been met, which means we should see the final release in seven months!"

http://orange.blender.org/
post #252 of 275
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http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/0...n-5-of-new-pcs

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"Chris Kenyon, the VP of sales and business development for Canonical, just spoke this afternoon at the Ubuntu 12.10 Developer Summit about what Canonical does with OEMs and ODMs. He also tossed out some rather interesting numbers about the adoption of Ubuntu Linux. Namely, Ubuntu will ship on 5% of worldwide PC sales with a number of 18 million units annually."
post #253 of 275
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Dated, but still relevant-

http://news.cnet.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html

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Sterling Ball, a jovial, plain-talking businessman, is CEO of Ernie Ball, the world's leading maker of premium guitar strings endorsed by generations of artists ranging from the likes of Eric Clapton to the dudes from Metallica.
But since jettisoning all of Microsoft products three years ago, Ernie Ball has also gained notoriety as a company that dumped most of its proprietary software--and still lived to tell the tale.
post #254 of 275
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Immunity from Man in the the Browser malware attacks-

Man-in-the-browser
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_in_the_Browser

Only Windows and OSX are currently listed as affected, though Javascript and browser plugin/extension malware could theoretically afflict Linux browsers, though noe are listed now.

Booting from an appropriate Linux Live CD ensures no malware hangs around on your system—you boot fresh each time:
Burn a “Tails” Live CD, found at https://tails.boum.org for high security (Tor-enabled), or burn a Knoppix Live DVD, which does include the NoScript plug-in.
Edited by Rgb - 6/15/12 at 10:54am
post #255 of 275
Seldom to people take brand new hardware and run Linux on it. One of the few is people running XMBC which is highly mature but not without its issues.

Issues I have with Linux in general -

  1. QAM might be okay, but Copy Protected Content? With broken PlayReady on my rebuilt HTPC, I got flagged for NASCAR on TNT and F1 on Fox (VGA or HDMI)
  2. Blu-Ray platyback from Disc is not supported. An issue with all open source anything, to get some media playback you'll have to pay the piper at some point.
  3. Supports Intel and Nvidia but not as much AMD/ATI hardware. Can't use Myth or any other DVR/PVR that is Linux based because I believe ATI makes superior PQ TV Tuners. Almost my VBox 150 is no longer supported.

Also I already paid for Windows 7 ($89 in 2008) and its very stable as long as you don't screw with it too much. IMHO, when you having to start applying band-aids like codecs to support .MKV its incomplete or doesn't work. Like VLC player for example, despite the settings Gundam Wing always defaults to the Japanese audio/English Sub-titles and I have to switch it. Inside XBMC that's fairly easy but like with most Linux players and Front Ends I have seen/used, they all do it, meaning I have to go throw the trouble of remuxing to remove the Japanese audio track.

If I was starting from scratch, I would give heavy consideration to a Linux based Media PC. I still depend on Copy Protected content however, so Windows going forward will be my best option. Especially since my tuners are supported by current kernel. The "eye candy" options are the most appealing, along with support for online media such as ESPN3/WatchESPN and a You Tube app far beyond wasn't being programmed for a Windows based machine. The problem with WMC, is that it forces the use of Internet Explorer for anything streaming.... Google Chrome is still the best streaming browser out there.

In closing, I use XMBC because it does things Media Browser does not do yet. I don't think the developers for MB where thinking hard enough or what. But with XBMC I watch streaming content without opening a browser and that's PEFECT and why we have Media Center. I shouldn't have to use it like a desktop just to watch Cat Riding A Roomba... Advanced Launcher does largely what Game Browser for MB does but, the one thing I hate, is I have to map a drive in order for emulators to use rom/iso files, I will map a drive for Advanced Lanucher but if it messes up Home Group I'll be mad.gif
post #256 of 275
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Originally Posted by dj4monie View Post

Seldom to [sic] people take brand new hardware and run Linux on it.
In this section of AVS Forums, it is done quite often.
Edited by waterhead - 6/16/12 at 11:04am
post #257 of 275
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Originally Posted by waterhead View Post

In this section of AVS Forums, it is done quite often.

Not nearly as often as people are doing say -

XBMC on cheap hardware (Old PC's and Mini ITX system boards) and cheap media players (Apple TV v1)

I have Windows XP, Vista, 7 and now 8, no reason to run Linux, no support for my hardware. The new main board and APU are supported by XBMC not sure about Myth but the tuners aren't = No Dice

My first smart phone (still have it) was a Motorola Rokr E6 (Chinese market) ran on Linux, Android is based on Linux, that's enough "Linux" in my life besides XBMC on the Media Center and various distros to help fix "Windows" (not that often).
post #258 of 275
You sound like a troll.

You talk more about windows than anything else. But this is the Linux section. If you want advice on actual support for your hardware, post your specs. Otherwise shut up!
post #259 of 275
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Originally Posted by dj4monie View Post

Seldom to people take brand new hardware and run Linux on it.
Seldom do people build a PC with the sole intent of using it as a HTPC.
Not nearly as often as people are doing say - buying a laptop.

So what?

In the Home Theatre Computers forum on AVS, that's what people do.
In the HTPC - Linux Chat forum, people run linux.
And it's better than Windows XP/Vista/7/8 for a whole bunch of reasons.
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Originally Posted by waterhead View Post

You sound like a troll.
You talk more about windows than anything else. But this is the Linux section. If you want advice on actual support for your hardware, post your specs. Otherwise shut up!
+1
post #260 of 275
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Originally Posted by dj4monie View Post

Seldom to people take brand new hardware and run Linux on it. One of the few is people running XMBC which is highly mature but not without its issues.
Issues I have with Linux in general -
  1. QAM might be okay, but Copy Protected Content? With broken PlayReady on my rebuilt HTPC, I got flagged for NASCAR on TNT and F1 on Fox (VGA or HDMI)
  2. Blu-Ray platyback from Disc is not supported. An issue with all open source anything, to get some media playback you'll have to pay the piper at some point.
  3. Supports Intel and Nvidia but not as much AMD/ATI hardware. Can't use Myth or any other DVR/PVR that is Linux based because I believe ATI makes superior PQ TV Tuners. Almost my VBox 150 is no longer supported.

1.) It should go without saying in a linux/FOSS forum: we don't really care about DRM'd content (at least we shouldn't wink.gif). Supporting DRM'd content just perpetuates it. Before Steve Jobs died, he helped defeat DRM on audio (Music). DRM is fading on games, with the Humble Bundles and Steams of the world, and Steam now coming to Linux. I see no reason why DRM will remain on video in the long run, or why any consumer should support it in any meaningful fashion(i.e. paying for it or using it)

http://www.learnoutloud.com/content/blog/archives/2006/11/the_top_10_argu.html

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120412/07212918466/another-reason-why-drm-is-bad-publishers.shtml

http://www.info-mech.com/drm_flaws.html

http://www.digital-copyright.ca/node/5364

It is difficult to impossible to separate tech vs the philosophical issues anymore-

http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/06/10/068222/evaluating-the-harmful-effects-of-closed-source-software
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by ldobehardcore (1738858) on Sunday June 10, @02:46AM (#40272593)

Cory Doctorow considers closed source setups unethical because it gives the devs the ability to hide any function they want from the user. If the user can't see what's running, how can they defend themselves from spying, censorship and propaganda? If a user can't be allowed to view and control what runs on his hardware, he can't be sure he has any other digital rights either regarding his hardware. And that contradicts the very definition of ownership of property

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Doctorow

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html


2) HTPC users typically rip discs to a hard disk/server- CD's, DVDs, BD's, a trivial task on Linux. Disc playback for the first two is obviously a non-issue. Realtime direct disc playback for BD's is a top priority for all the major FOSS media player projects and will come in time. Yo ucan play BD's in XBMC now with the makemkv plugin

http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=67420

https://www.ebower.com/docs/ubuntu-bluray/

http://apcmag.com/how-to-play-blu-ray-in-linux.htm

Support and compatibility will of course improve moving forward.

3) Confusing tuners and video GPU's. Support of recent vintage ATI GPU's with updated Catalyst drivers is excellent on Linux. ATI tuners are irrelevant on Linux given the ridiculous amount of quality alternatives from Hauppauge, Silicon Dust and others. It has been widely accepted among long time HTPC builders here for over a decade that software based decoding/rendering from TV tuners is superior to hardware decoding if that's the point.

If you have more Windows commentary or issues, post in the Windows forum.

If you would like to list all your hardware specs/parts for others to help make Linux work better for you, start a thread in the main Linux forum.
Edited by Rgb - 3/7/13 at 8:03am
post #261 of 275
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Originally Posted by waterhead View Post

You sound like a troll.
You talk more about windows than anything else. But this is the Linux section. If you want advice on actual support for your hardware, post your specs. Otherwise shut up!

Nice, mature much? I was just highlighting Linux shortcoming which are plenty.

As I said, My Tuners are not supported. If you MUST know, Visiontek ATI 650HD PCI is not supported (No Drivers). I suppose if I kept searching I may find somebody that wrote their own driver like somebody has for some Hauppauge/PCTV USB Tuners. The other is a V-Boxx Cat's Eye 150, they no longer make PCI or PCIe cards, but the last Vista driver works, Windows 7 will automatically download it, when you click "Update Driver". No Linux driver exist.

So at minimum that would mean investing in a new capture card. I don't think that's worth it. As I said I believe AMD/ATI have nailed PQ especially with SD content on their old tuners. The cheapest card that appeals to me is the AVerTV ComboG2 (No Linux drivers). One supported by Linux is The Hauppauge HVR-1250 which seems to work better in Linux than it does in Windows (according to New Egg Reviews), cost $55. Even if I wanted too (and have considered it) to upgrade my main tuner/capture card to PCIe version which gives me combo instead of a hybrid tuner I currently have, I can get a cheap 650HD PCIe for $40 which gives me combo tuners (One NTSC and One ATSC), I save $15. Again no Linux support but dead eye Windows support. I feel the better PQ is a trade-off vs compatibly with Linux .

Otherwise others are running XBMC on AMD APU's, no drama there, I am sure MythTV will work too.

My budget is limited and I am saving for much bigger things. I already spent $60 more than I wanted too on Friday and hope to get $40 of that back. Buying tuners for the sake of supporting Linux when my WMC machine works perfectly fine, save for the NIC but that's likely a quality control issue and the main board might get sent back, the first ASRock board was DOA.

I support Linux and Open Source software/Hardware. Trolls don't explain their positions as I just did, so keep that BS to yourself. I am not a Windows fan boy, but I don't buy into the Apple hype, not the Linux hype. I looked into MythTV because of the customization that's possible with it. However I found Internet TV (Streaming Content) problematic with MythTV. The program that was available wasn't easy to understand, XBMC is a better option.

XBMC does what Media Browser does, but adds some additional functionality that currently isn't in MB (But for Game Browser). I just rebuilt my HTPC and had problems with using Sysprep on WHS image, so for the time being I am building a new image just in case I can never get that image to work and delete that folder/client.

Linux is a great option if you're willing to live with some limitations and as I said its mostly with hardware. The money saved by not purchasing Windows would have been burnt up buying compatible hardware (Tuners). Nevermind that I bought W7 when MS was gong to disable the RC1/2 in late 2009, money already spent. I spent $200 ($300 total now) to build 4TB Server that could have been Linux but at the end of the day I wanted TV Archive and not configure Robocopy where it MIGHT work. WHS 2011 installed without issue, while I fooled around with Amahi and FreeNAS for Occupy Los Angeles, neither would work right. I could get FreeNAS to run in a VM, but not on the hardware available that was donated to OLA. I had problems installing Amahi. I got Ubuntu Server to work by following a detailed tutorial. But the learning curve is a bit high and we opted for WHS v1 instead.

I have an extra motherboard, I need a case, I will be experimenting with Linux while it leaves my main machines alone. Ubuntu and Mint don't support Atheros WiFI both times I tired to run it on my laptop. I don't need to explain myself but I just did.

So much for being a troll with almost 1,300 post since 2005.
Edited by dj4monie - 6/17/12 at 5:40pm
post #262 of 275
And what shortcomings are those? If I was you, I would run before the others chase you out of here with pitchforks and torches. Linux can run circles around Windows in more ways than one.
post #263 of 275
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Originally Posted by Rgb View Post

1.) It should go without saying in a linux/FOSS forum: we don't really care about DRM'd content (at least we shouldn't wink.gif). Supporting DRM'd content just perpetuates it. Before Steve Jobs died, he helped defeat DRM on audio (Music). DRM is fading on games, with the Humble Bundles and Steams of the world, and Steam now coming to Linux. I see no reason why DRM will remain on video in the long run, or why any consumer should support it in any meaningful fashion(i.e. paying for it or using it)
http://www.learnoutloud.com/content/blog/archives/2006/11/the_top_10_argu.html
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120412/07212918466/another-reason-why-drm-is-bad-publishers.shtml
http://www.info-mech.com/drm_flaws.html
http://www.digital-copyright.ca/node/5364
It is difficult to impossible to separate tech vs the philosophical issues anymore-
http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/06/10/068222/evaluating-the-harmful-effects-of-closed-source-software
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by ldobehardcore (1738858) on Sunday June 10, @02:46AM (#40272593)
Cory Doctorow considers closed source setups unethical because it gives the devs the ability to hide any function they want from the user. If the user can't see what's running, how can they defend themselves from spying, censorship and propaganda? If a user can't be allowed to view and control what runs on his hardware, he can't be sure he has any other digital rights either regarding his hardware. And that contradicts the very definition of ownership of property
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Doctorow
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
2) HTPC users typically rip discs to a hard disk/server- CD's, DVDs, BD's. It is trivial to rip any of these on Linux. Disc playback for the first two is obviously a non-issue. Realtime direct disc playback for BD's is a top priority for all the major FOSS media player projects and will come in time. Yo ucan play BD's in XBMC now with the makemkv plugin
http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=67420
https://www.ebower.com/docs/ubuntu-bluray/
http://apcmag.com/how-to-play-blu-ray-in-linux.htm
Support and compatibility will of course improve moving forward.
3) Confusing tuners and video GPU's. Support of recent vintage ATI GPU's with updated Catalyst drivers is excellent on Linux. ATI tuners are irrelevant on Linux given the ridiculous amount of quality alternatives from Hauppauge, Silicon Dust and others. It has been widely accepted among long time HTPC builders here for over a decade that software based decoding/rendering from TV tuners is superior to hardware decoding if that's the point.
If you have more Windows commentary or issues, post in the Windows forum.
If you would like to list all your hardware specs/parts for others to help make Linux work better for you, start a thread in the main Linux forum.

I was making a statement I don't have issues directly related to OS's. I know AMD GPU's are supported, but the TV Tuner/Capture cards are not, only the old HDTV Wonders and TV Wonders the previous generation are supported.

I was just saying DRM is an issue, I don't care about Steam, I don't play games on PC's often enough to justify it. I rip disc, not really an issue and I never said that. But if one want to just pop in a store bought BR, no luck there, you'll have to rip it homie if you're running Linux.

Its not ridiculous if you have hardware that's already running and supported. Why spend around $100 more just to use Linux?

All I said is that Linux has limitations and you just pointed out that you're at the mercy of programmers that take their free time to write programs/add-ons for whatever OS or Media Front End your using. I was just highlighting short comings in Linux and not all bases are covered, only some of them. If you're willing to work with those limitations that's fine.
post #264 of 275
I had a Vbox cat's eye. But I wanted to run MythTV, because it runs circles around anything Windows had to offer, so I gave it away. I then bought an ATI HDTV Wonder. It worked perfectly in Linux. It does sound like you have some very old hardware. You are willing to spend money on new mobos, but not a newer capture card? Go figure. And Microsoft thanks you for shovelling your cash their way. I haven't purchased Windows since XP SP2 was out.

You can't be serious when using PQ and SD in the same sentence. SD and NTSC are dead. SD PQ is horrible compared to modern HDTV broadcasts. HDTV capture cards capture the MPEG stream unaltered, so PQ doesn't even come into play. It would be the video card that would have the limitations, and Linux IS limited in that area. Mostly because of AMD's poor support for it's cards in Linux.

And I said you SOUND like a troll, and you still do. And if you want to talk maturity, I didn't go into a Windows forum and start trash talking about Windows. You came to a Linux forum and trash talked about Linux. Oh, and I do apologise for my emotional response. I do actually try to help people, not call them names. But, you did hit a nerve.

As for WiFI, Atheros has great Linux drivers. Sometimes you may need to install them, which is no different than Windows. But Windows lovers feel this is normal for Windows, but unacceptable for Linux. Things are not harder to do in Linux, you just need to learn how to do things. Like you did for Windows.

I hope you actually try to do more things in Linux, and try to keep your negative leanings towards Linux suppressed. The more you use and learn Linux, the more you will find that you don't actually need Windows. That is unless you want DRM material. Then you must use a closed source operating system.
post #265 of 275
dj4monie, we can't help it that you do not understand the operating system. I cut my teeth on CP/M in the early 80's, and playing around with the Unix terminal at my father's office, and our local community college back in the 70's. The only reason that you see everything Windows, is because Microsoft paid developers to create stuff for them, and in turn have burned their bridges with developers.

HTPC's have been around since Windows 95, and even before that, there were people in the Homebrew computer club that created Dos & Unix based htpc's, that in turn they put out full fledged htpc's running on Amiga computers, before Windows became known to be known as it is now.

There are cards out there that will work with LInux, but the problem in turns lie with the good ole DRM issue, not the hardware. If developers would get on board and start allowing more and more hardware, which you should start seeing more of within the next two years, that will allow people to do more with Linux, in the way of using Cable card capable tuners, things will change.

But in turn, you have Sony, Microsoft, the monopolies like Comcast keeping a throttle hold on people being able to use Linux over Windows, to record video off of catv. But of course, it does not stop people from using Linux as a media server for their video & music collections.

BTW, I am still waiting for you to point out those short comings that Linux has. As was stated in the past by FDR "You only have fear to fear itself." When I come home on lunch and from the end of the day, I am either on my nook running Android on the N2A card that is in it, on my netbook running Linux 12.04, or managing a server running Resara, which is linux based.

Only Windows based machine in my house, is the laptop my wife brings home from work, due to her job. And that is a duo core running XP, because they have not moved up to 7 yet, because they are not ready. Talk around my state is going to a total Linux based infrastructure, because the licensing is killing them, and they are finding every way to save money, but the hinder will be the fact that a lot of legacy apps will either be tossed, or find work arounds.

Going back to the subject at hand, inquiring minds like myself are waiting for you to spell out those short comings, so have at it, and I do not mean cross-posting trash that you just did a quick search for, but factual evidence and information from YOU first hand.
Edited by gregzoll - 6/17/12 at 7:18pm
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I have Arch linux & XFCE on my laptops and in the very rare occasion that I have to boot Windows, I consider it a huge disadvantage. Arch does everything I need for it to do on my terms and it boots in 15 seconds.
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1. Free or cheap.

2. More security

3. Other free software

4. No serial numbers or product keys to worry about

5. No product activation

6. Live cd that you can try before installing

7. Download an iso and try it right away

8. Linux is open source

9. Free from Microsoft's stronghold

+1 to all especially #9
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Best reasons to use Free Speech (FOSS) software and OS's:

http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3504841&cid=43042101
Quote:
“From Microsoft:
"When Microsoft receives a Bing search query, we collect a number of pieces of information, including the search query provided, IP address, unique identifiers contained in cookies, browser configuration and the time and date of the search,"
“Microsoft may access or disclose information about you, including the content of your communications, in order to: (a) comply with the law or respond to lawful requests or legal process; (b) protect the rights or property of Microsoft or our customers, including the enforcement of our agreements or policies governing your use of the software; or (c) act on a good faith belief that such access or disclosure is necessary to protect the personal safety of Microsoft employees, customers, or the public,”
“Information collected by or sent to Microsoft by Windows 7 may be stored and processed in the United States or any other country in which Microsoft or its affiliates, subsidiaries, or service providers maintain facilities. Microsoft abides by the safe harbor framework as set forth by the U.S. Department of Commerce regarding the collection, use, and retention of data from the European Union, the European Economic Area, and Switzerland.”
These are the Windows 7 modules that Microsoft acknowledge phone home
1. Activation:
2. Device Information Retrieval:
3. Device Manager:
4. Dynamic Update:
5. Event Viewer:
6. Gadgets:
7. Games Folder:
8. Error Reporting for Handwriting Recognition:
9. Personalization Training:
10. IME Word Registration (available in Japanese IME only):
11. Installation Improvement Program:
12. Microsoft Error Reporting Service:
13. Plug and Play:
14. Program Compatibility Assistant:
15. Program Properties Compatibility Tab:
16. Rights Management Services (RMS) Client:
17. Teredo Technology: 18. Update Root Certificates:
19. Windows Anytime Upgrade:
20. Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program (CEIP):
21. Windows Defender:
22. Windows File Association:
23. Windows Help:
25. Windows Speech Recognition:
26. Windows Time Service:
27. Windows Troubleshooting:
28. Windows Internet Explorer 8:
29. Update Services:
30. Microsoft Genuine Advantage:
31. Windows Media Center:
32. Microsoft Windows Media Player 12:”

Edited by Rgb - 3/6/13 at 6:07am
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That's all telemetry data. Used to make improvements in the OS. What's the problem?
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Originally Posted by Rgb View Post

Best reasons to use Free Speech (FOSS) software and OS's:

http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3504841&cid=43042101

“From Microsoft:
"When Microsoft receives a Bing search query, we collect a number of pieces of information, including the search query provided, IP address, unique identifiers contained in cookies, browser configuration and the time and date of the search,"

I find this shocking. You're telling me that not only does Bing ask me for what i'm looking for (the search query), they also want to know where to send the results (my ip address), how to filter the results (my cookies), and how to format the results (browser config). How horrifiying. The last time I felt so violated, I was at a restaurant where an employee kept asking me what I wanted to eat...as if it's any of their business. They couldn't even serve me until I coughed up that data....my personal private data!. I was appalled at all the other sheeple in the restaurant that were immediately answering such intrusive questions like "how do you prefer your steak" without even thinking twice. Gah!
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