Originally Posted by Zues
I find them pretty accurate. What about all the tv's that don't get great reviews? You said you have a xbr2? Is this review accurate?
"Color accuracy, as you can see from the Geek Box below, is one area where the Sony KDS-R60XBR2 could improve. Its primary colors of both green and red were pretty far outside the HDTV colorspace, but were not overly tinged with yellow or orange, which is common on some other sets. Other aspects of the 60XBR2's color, namely its grayscale accuracy and color decoding, were superb, so overall color still came across as lush and vibrant. When young Bruce runs through the garden, for example, the green of the trees and plants looked rich, if a bit too green, and in tones throughout the film, from the ruddy police chief to the delicate face of Rachel (Katie Holmes), appeared natural. Nonetheless, we wish the Sony had some way to improve the accuracy of its primary colors, which would certainly be worth an extra performance point".
I own a 60" XBR2 - it is pretty bad compared to the new Samsung plasmas re. color accuracy and it can't be improved. When it was released, it was pretty damn impressive compared to alternatives available then. Samsung has taken a quantum leap with their new plasmas and they COMPLETELY outclass the XBR2 in every way except peak white level. Heck, the Samsungs even out-class the 8G Kuros in color accuracy and gamma (but not white balance, usually). The XBR2s have a litany of limitations compared to the Samsungs (less than ideal shadow performance, can't get gamma high enough, can't adjust color space, overscan you can't get rid of (hard to live with after spending time with pixel-perfect plasmas), unused areas of the screen go dark blue instead of black, calibration changes as projection lamp ages... I check cal every 500 hours and it's always different.
When a display measures inaccurately, you always see it in images if you know what to look for. Most people don't know what to look for - hence their willingness to accept something that's not right as looking "accurate" - yet presented with an image with true accuracy... THEN they can see and understand why the image is better. The "suck you into the movie" factor goes up even if you aren't able to figure out exactly why.
Originally Posted by Zues
Even in thx mode?
Measuring/calibrating THX mode was the whole point of the pro calibration. 800U owners tend to think that a video display that is THX Certified is calibrated at the factory. That's just not the case. THX certified AVRs aren't calibrated at the factory either... they simply provide the performance needed and adjustments needed to GET THE AVR into good performance/calibration once it is in your system. Same thing with the video displays. Calibration takes a LONG TIME to do right and it doesn't sell more TVs for the manufacturers who are selling to the "unwashed" public who can be fooled by 12,000K color temps and other flavors of trickery. We are lucky there are even warmer color temp selections in user menus... because those don't help sell more TVs to the public either. I think we got them only because the manufacturers got tired of being beaten up in print and by vocal enthusiast owners (a minority, but when enough of them complain, they can get irritating tot he manufacturer
). This is also the first year of THX video display certification... the early years of THX certification for AVRs were not as solid as current THX certified models, early years of Dolby Digital and DTS certification also let a lot of errors slip through. I don't know how good displays will have to be 3 years from now to carry THX Certification, but it's a fair bet they will have to be better than today's certified displays - so that already implies room for improvement.