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post #31 of 114
If you own a Sony 780, your firmware is up-to-date. Pioneer does not release firmware updates for its recorders unless there is a catastrophe or problem they get massive complaints about. The only time this occurred was in 2006 with the 640-540-543 models, these were the first Pioneer-Sony codeveloped recorders and they had a bug which prevented them automatically picking up TV show titles when broadcasts have them. This was a minor inconvenience but many folks complained, after several months Pioneer got tired of taking units back for free service and simply released the firmware patch publicly. The followup 450,550,650 and 460,560, 660 have the fix engineered into their newer firmware. The Sony 780, being an apparent clone of the Pioneer 560, should also be completely up to date. There is no need to bother about firmware in your recorder as long as it is working properly.
post #32 of 114
I believe I have got the AVI playback issues licked. Arciervo had mentioned in an earlier post that with his Pioneer unit, he "had no luck at all playing AVIs derived from PAL sources (25 fps)".
I checked a couple of my problematic videos, and voila! They're at 25 fps.
I tried re-encoding one of the videos at 23.976/24 fps, and it worked. It took over 2 hours to re-encode, so I don't think I'll try that too often.
Funny, but my old Philips DVP642 and my newer (piece of junk!) LG LRA-850 had no such problems with these.
post #33 of 114
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Originally Posted by CitiBear View Post

If you own a Sony 780, your firmware is up-to-date.The Sony 780, being an apparent clone of the Pioneer 560, should also be completely up to date. There is no need to bother about firmware in your recorder as long as it is working properly.

I am very pleased with the picture and overall functionality of the 780. The only thing I would change is the default black and white gains, since the default causes clipping from the PVR or any source outputting NTSC with pedestal. But that can be adjusted easily enough in System setup/picture. There would be differences from the Pioneer such as "Bravia sync;" Which does beg the question as to whether, if there were any reason to do so, the Sony could be updated to the Pioneer's Firmware.
post #34 of 114
Thread Starter 
The 780 was on sale at futureshop for $250 last week so I picked one up. It is very very similar to the Pioneer's. I recorded a few programs thru the RCA jacks. I ended up taking it back because I have a backup EH55 new in the box. Overall it seemed like a good unit. I really like the MN recording options the Panny's don't have.
post #35 of 114
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Originally Posted by Ripper64 View Post

The 780 was on sale at futureshop for $250 last week so I picked one up.

I picked one up four weeks ago from Futureshop for $299, it was defective so I took it back and they had no others, so I got my money back. The following week I got it from BestBuy for $299, that one worked very well. Then the next week Futureshop had it for $249. I really didn't want to return the one to BB and get another from Futureshop,.. but I wish I'd waited another week. And no, BB does not do a post-sale pricematch against its sister company.


Yes the MN feature, precise adjustment of bitrate against recording time, IS a good feature. Fussy as I am I always want the best picture available.
post #36 of 114
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Originally Posted by BustedSony View Post

I picked one up four weeks ago from Futureshop for $299, it was defective so I took it back and they had no others, so I got my money back.

So what was the problemo with the first one you got?
post #37 of 114
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So what was the problemo with the first one you got?


Oh, it kept crashing when I was trying to edit, and the unit had to be unplugged to reset it, then on the third day the drawer wouldn't open at all. And I found an invoice in the box from a repair facility that had tried to repair the drawer problem for the OEM before. When I took it back the counter clerk was shocked the paperwork had been left in the box..
post #38 of 114
Man, Future Shop putting unverified crap back on the shelves; those people need to be watched. Good thing they have a stand-in-line-with-your receipt-and-argue-just-a-little return policy. Now I always have them open my box before I leave the store and I put a product through its paces as soon as I get home with it. It's a real bummer to buy something as a long-term backup only to discover several months later when you want to use it and when the return window has expired that they fobbed off a lemon on you.

If the Sony is essentially the Pioneer, which someone reported sets the widescreen flag for 16:9 camcorder video via FireWire (does Sony still insist on referring to IEEE 1394 as "iLink"?), a feature I want but have found Panasonics and Philips don't have, then for a couple hundred bucks I might consider getting one as a second banana to my Toshiba RD-XS35.
post #39 of 114
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Originally Posted by plplplpl View Post

Man, Future Shop putting unverified crap back on the shelves; those people need to be watched.
If the Sony is essentially the Pioneer, which someone reported sets the widescreen flag for 16:9 camcorder video via FireWire (does Sony still insist on referring to IEEE 1394 as "iLink"?), a feature I want but have found Panasonics and Philips don't have, then for a couple hundred bucks I might consider getting one as a second banana to my Toshiba RD-XS35.

Having worked in the industry I know it's not uncommon to find a problem with the unit after it leaves the assembly line, so it's sent to a contract repair shop and taken to OEM condition. But the paperwork for the first 780 I bought suggested it had been to repair TWICE already, so yah, it should have been junked for parts, or at least sold as "recertified" to one of those Cargo Place etc. Cheap Stuff outlets.

The Toshibas have a much better menu authoring facility, the Pioneers don't even write a PGC or "First Play" If the DVD needs to be semi-professional I take the DVD burned in the 780, rip it to the Hard drive in the PC with DVDdecrypter, and use PGCedit to fix the menu, or reauthor with Tmpeg DVDauthor or DVDlab. With any of these methods the Anamorphic flag can be added. Many of my movies are captured on the PC so that the DVDs can have full menus and leading and trailing black added and levels corrected, but the DVD recorder is essential for getting things off the PVR quickly when stuff piles up. The quality is comparable, surprisingly good on the 780, there's just the disadvantage of not being a 24fps DVD for film, and no proper menu.
post #40 of 114
You're right, for anything special or fancy, despite the Toshiba's superior authoring features, it's best to go the PC route. For a quickie on the PC, I'll use TDA, but for anything I want to be really nice, I go with Ulead DVD Workshop, which is really great because it's the best of both worlds: oodles of templates and content (buttons, animations, overlays, etc.) along with the customization flexibility of a DVD Lab.
post #41 of 114
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Originally Posted by plplplpl View Post

You're right, for anything special or fancy, despite the Toshiba's superior authoring features, it's best to go the PC route. For a quickie on the PC, I'll use TDA, but for anything I want to be really nice, I go with Ulead DVD Workshop, which is really great because it's the best of both worlds: oodles of templates and content (buttons, animations, overlays, etc.) along with the customization flexibility of a DVD Lab.


I work as a video editor so I've been capturing to the PC since 2000. Currently it's an ATI Theate 550 with captures to Lagarith YV12, basic cutting and cleanup with AVIsynth in VirtualDub, rendering to Mpeg with HCencode, and authoring in DVDlab. For a template quickie I use Tmpeg instead. For full-blown graphichs I have a friend who is a master of computer graphics who puts a menu together in ten minutes. In return he gets a DVD of the film.

But this is off-topic...
post #42 of 114
I notice that there are some features that are not the same between the two brands...
I notice that the RDR-HX780 does not recorded on DVD-RAM...
post #43 of 114
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Originally Posted by bigguy4ever View Post

I notice that there are some features that are not the same between the two brands...
I notice that the RDR-HX780 does not recorded on DVD-RAM...

On paper or actually? The Pioneer manual lists a keyboard as one of the USB devices that may be used, the Sony literature makes no such mention, however a keyboard works fine on the 780. I've been able to use a couple of functions on the Sony, such as for file transfers to and from the PC, that are in the Pioneer manual but not listed as a Sony capability. I haven't tried a DVDram, but I do notice that there is one type of Playlist editing that seems not to work as described in the Pioneer manual, (I need to try A/B) and may be related to DVD-ram functionality. But why have a difference?
post #44 of 114
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Originally Posted by BustedSony View Post

I've been able to use a couple of functions on the Sony, such as for file transfers to and from the PC, that are in the Pioneer manual but not listed as a Sony capability.

Do you mean file transfer via an Ethernet port, as the Pioneer 660 has (but not the 560 or the 460)? If it does file transfers both to and from a PC, as you say, then that's a really great undocumented advantage over the Pioneer, which can only copy from a PC.
post #45 of 114
I just took a look at both user manuals, Sony shows that it will playback, but not recored into DVD-RAM.. The Pioneer manual show it will record, and playback into a DVD-RAM.. Are they the same or not?? I`m looking for one, and trying to think which one is best for me?
post #46 of 114
The Sony RDR-HX780 manual uses the same wording as the Pioneer DVR-560 manual: neither has an ethernet jack, and both machines are restricted to one-way copying from USB devices to the hard drive (supposedly nothing can be transferred the other way, from the recorder to a USB device). The DVD-RAM restriction seems an idiotic way for Sony to differentiate its model from Pioneers, especially since the same Sony optical drive is used in both machines. But the Sony manual indeed states it cannot record to DVD-RAM although it will accept DVD-RAM for playback and treat it as if it were a standard DVD. Odd.

I was unaware the Sony 780 could not record to DVD-RAM until now, while many people do not use RAM discs I find it a handy reliable format for moving recordings between my several Pioneers. For my purposes, then, the Sony is not quite the bargain I thought it was. Certainly when it goes on sale for $229 or $249 its a steal, if you live in Canada. But I would not pay $300-400 to import one to the USA, for that kind of money I'd stick to the Pioneers with added DVD-RAM capability.
post #47 of 114
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Originally Posted by CitiBear View Post

I was unaware the Sony 780 could not record to DVD-RAM until now, while many people do not use RAM discs I find it a handy reliable format for moving recordings between my several Pioneers. For my purposes, then, the Sony is not quite the bargain I thought it was. Certainly when it goes on sale for $229 or $249 its a steal, if you live in Canada. But I would not pay $300-400 to import one to the USA, for that kind of money I'd stick to the Pioneers with added DVD-RAM capability.

There's a page in the 660 manual that discusses file handling and PC "Software" for transferring files that is not in the 560 or 780 manual, but the 780 is just as capable in this respect. That's what I meant.

Another thing the 660 can do which the 780 can not is burn DVDs from DivX files, though both can play normally-encoded DivX's just fine. Can the 560 H-K do that?

I've never used DVD-ram, but it seems foolish to simply drop that feature. Has anyone verified that indeed one can't write to DVD-ram in the 780?
post #48 of 114
BustedSony, I wasn't disputing you, just posting the "official line" as printed in the recorder manuals (note I used the qualifier "supposedly" re the restriction on two-way file transfers). These machines often have undocumented abilities that run counter to their instruction manual disclaimers. In any case the Pio 660 with its ethernet jack must have some additional PC connectivity options not found in the 560 or Sony 780, which are USB/DV only.

The Sony 780 manual is very clear about one point: its pretty emphatic that the machine cannot record to DVD-RAM but will play such media with no problems. Maybe some owners can try a DVD-RAM disc in the Sony and let us know if it will "unofficially" record to it? Accepting RAM for playback but not recording is a very strange burner specification.
post #49 of 114
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Originally Posted by CitiBear View Post


The Sony 780 manual is very clear about one point: its pretty emphatic that the machine cannot record to DVD-RAM but will play such media with no problems. Maybe some owners can try a DVD-RAM disc in the Sony and let us know if it will "unofficially" record to it? Accepting RAM for playback but not recording is a very strange burner specification.

I've seen that before for other burners, but I can't remember whose.
post #50 of 114
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Originally Posted by BustedSony View Post

There's a page in the 660 manual that discusses file handling and PC "Software" for transferring files that is not in the 560 or 780 manual, but the 780 is just as capable in this respect. That's what I meant.

Do you mean the section in chapter 10, p. 86, called "Playing and copying DivX files (PC Video)" or the section in chapter 13, starting on p. 102, entitled "Copying files from a PC (Connect PC)"?

Or do you mean something else, and if so, on what page?

Do you in fact mean the Sony has an ethernet connection like the Pioneer 660, or are you referring to some other procedure to transfer files both to and from a PC?

I'd be interested if there were some alternative to sneakernetting for getting files from a DVDR to a PC, as you indicate there seems to be.
post #51 of 114
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Originally Posted by BustedSony View Post

I've never used DVD-ram, but it seems foolish to simply drop that feature.

They've never really "dropped" it, since Sony's never did do RAM.
post #52 of 114
Yes, That one thing I notice Sony never wanted to touch the DVD_RAM Field..
I know that Panasonic was the company that brought DVD-RAM to the market. It looks like to me that Sony never wanted to take DVD-RAM in any video device.. Maybe the Pioneer is best for me...

P.S I`m a newbie on this forums, and I like to say the info on this site is great>>>>> also thanks for the time spend on the info!!!! members !!!!!
post #53 of 114
I also wondering if any having and problems with the tunner on the sony 780. I notice this review on the Futureshop website sony 780 review?
Thanks

Poor Tuner, 9/5/2008
Reviewer: Fred, NL
While in general I am pleased with this DVR, the cable tuner is not very good. If you have the TV on the same channel as you are watchingrecording, the picture us often distorted, sometimes quite badly. If you treat it like an old VCR and make sure the TV is on channel 3, there is generally no problem. Anyone using one of the digital inputs may experience no issue. I do not have digital cable or satellite so have not tested that. DVD playback is excellent. I also have a Pioneer unit and that tuner has no such issue. However that unit experienced a hard drive failure in less than a year so I am crossing my fingers the Sony performs MUCH longer.
post #54 of 114
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Originally Posted by plplplpl View Post

Do you mean the section in chapter 10, p. 86, called "Playing and copying DivX files (PC Video)" or the section in chapter 13, starting on p. 102, entitled "Copying files from a PC (Connect PC)"?

Or do you mean something else, and if so, on what page?

Do you in fact mean the Sony has an ethernet connection like the Pioneer 660, or are you referring to some other procedure to transfer files both to and from a PC?

I'd be interested if there were some alternative to sneakernetting for getting files from a DVDR to a PC, as you indicate there seems to be.

There's no Ethernet port on the Sony. That is a great feature I wish my machine had.

If any machine could get Mpegs recorded on the DVD recorder directly out to a PC I would buy that unit right now. It saves having to make a DVD to transfer the recording to the PC by ripping that DVD.

This is getting messy, there appeared to be undocumented features on the Sony, things not in the Sony manual such as copying files including DivX into the Sony from a PC, and the use of a keyboard for writing titles and maneouvering through the Menus, that I subsequently found WERE described in a Pioneer manual, the 660's I think.
post #55 of 114
Just a quick question.
Are there any DVD recorder on the market that has a build in ATSC and NTSC turner?

Thanks
post #56 of 114
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Originally Posted by avstsa View Post

Just a quick question.
Are there any DVD recorder on the market that has a build in ATSC and NTSC turner?

Click #1 in my signature for a couple.
post #57 of 114
Well, three months ago, I 've decided to make the transition to the world of hi quality video, and bought a Samsung LE22A656 television, along with this HX780.

Apart from the TV being a disaster (you can read the relevant rant on the topic on avforums), this DVD recorder doesn't seem to be any good too.

Why the picture of every DVD I try to play using this recorder has oversaturated colors and a horrible greenish tint?. Horrible, just horrible.

Also, the picture that I get using the HDMI was an even more greenish tint that the one I get using scart. Even if I turn down the chroma of my tv, the greenish picture is still there.

Sony RDR HX780: ****** Like.No.Other

And no, it's not the tv's fault (I can blame it for a lot of things, but not for this), cos when I connect my old trusty XBOX to the same scart input, I get no greenish tint at all, and the colors are perfect (nor saturated, nor washed out, just perfect)

Thanks Sony and Samsung (and all you Internet "reviewers" recommending the LE-A656 televisions and the HX-80 recorders as the best in terms of quality) for totaly ruining it for me

PS: But hey, you can use the recording capabilities of this device to capture videos from your XBOX? --> "Material is copy protected, cant't copy". Thanks again, Sony.
post #58 of 114
Hi angloboy42,

I have another thread going regarding this unit's ability to display a 16:9 aspect ratio picture without zooming the TV, thus leaving black bars around. Mine simply refuses to show anything but 4:3 unless it is a HD program that is "anamorphic" (sp?) - full width of the widescreen TV and also with bars on top and bottom. Quite a few new movies use this format. How does yours display the picture on your TV - just when viewing a program through the DVR, not on playback after recording? Is yours TV a widescreen?

Thanks,
Glenn
post #59 of 114
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Originally Posted by kurkosdr View Post

Well, three months ago, I 've decided to make the transition to the world of hi quality video, and bought a Samsung LE22A656 television, along with this HX780.

Apart from the TV being a disaster (you can read the relevant rant on the topic on avforums), this DVD recorder doesn't seem to be any good too.

Why the picture of every DVD I try to play using this recorder has oversaturated colors and a horrible greenish tint?. Horrible, just horrible.

Also, the picture that I get using the HDMI was an even more greenish tint that the one I get using scart. Even if I turn down the chroma of my tv, the greenish picture is still there.

Sony RDR HX780: ****** Like.No.Other

And no, it's not the tv's fault (I can blame it for a lot of things, but not for this), cos when I connect my old trusty XBOX to the same scart input, I get no greenish tint at all, and the colors are perfect (nor saturated, nor washed out, just perfect)

Thanks Sony and Samsung (and all you Internet "reviewers" recommending the LE-A656 televisions and the HX-80 recorders as the best in terms of quality) for totaly ruining it for me

PS: But hey, you can use the recording capabilities of this device to capture videos from your XBOX? --> "Material is copy protected, cant't copy". Thanks again, Sony.

Your experience must be unique. I have the RDR HX780 and from day one I have remarked how exactly like the source the resulting DVDr is. There's no shift in colour, saturation, sharpness, hardly any deterioration in picture at all. And I'm basing that on many years of experience working with PC-based non-linear editing systems and the many issues that can occur from capture to render. I'm delighted with how clean the DVDrs look and how little trouble the machine is to use.

Have you gone into system menu and checked Levels? I find the best results are with auto Black "on" and contrast down one notch, brightness up one. Also what are the HDMI settings? 4:2:2 is a safe default.

Other than the possibility that you have a defective unit, I have to say that you must be doing something wrong.
post #60 of 114
I bought this DVD Recorder last week and it's irratating the hell out of me. The manual is garbage.

So anyway, I've managed to turn Div-x playback to black and white. Can't find anything in the manual.

I was watching a show and went to press pause but pressed something else...no idea what...now I can't turn it back.

Any ideas?
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