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Routing cable through existing walls

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Hi,

I bought a house where there is an enclosed area above the fireplace where the TV sits. Most people with the same floorplan have the TV shoved to one side with the DVD player to the other side, sitting on-end -- which I think looks hideous. It's not a new TV, so it has coax and RCA inputs only, however, I envision a plasma or LCD sometime down the road.

The media cabinet will go to the left of this TV enclosure, so I have to run cables from the TV into the wall, down, and out. What is the best way of doing this?

e.g.,

1.) should I run both RCA and HDMI (what about DVI?) for future use, or is there some sort of converter box that would allow me to run only HDMI and convert it to RCA at both ends for now? I will also need speaker-wire runs.

2.) depending on answer to #1, since RCA and Component both use the same connector type, could I run component and use it for RCA for the time being?

3.) do I need to install an electrical box at each location where wires exit the wall, or will a simple faceplate suffice?

4.) is S-video a thing of the past? Some of my equipment has S-video ports but I'm not using any of them. Thinking of future owners of the house here.

Any other advice / helpful hints would be helpful too
post #2 of 15
Most likely 1 HDMI cable is all you'll need to run to the TV (plus power). Everything else would go to your A/V reciever.
post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 
foraye,

can you elaborate? I do not have an HDMI equipped TV right now... is there some type of converter?
post #4 of 15
Spy - welcome to AVS!

If you are thinking about the future, then HDMI is most likely going to be part of any new TV you buy. So the suggestion to just run one HDMI cable is based on that. The other piece that wasn't mentioned is that a lot of receivers (not all so check before buying) will accept all sorts of video inputs (S video, coax, component, RCA, HDMI, etc) and send that signal over an HDMI cable. So, you could have everything connected to the receiver, and then a single cable to the TV (HDMI) that carries video and audio.

I did this in my living room for the cable run to my projector - a single HDMI. I thought about running a bunch of other cables and decided not to due to the path through the wall and ceiling. Running power and an HDMI cable was enough work for me!

If I could do it again I would at least run component. This is mostly because HDMI brings with it HDCP for copy protection of content. Not all components (receivers, TVs, projectors, cable boxes, dvd players, etc.) implement HDCP the same which can result in problems. So I would suggest you run a component cable and digital audio as well as HDMI.

Speaker wire? Are you going to install speakers near the TV? Then yes, plan to run these too.

"Electrical boxes"? Yes, you need a "remodel" style gang box in addition to the faceplate. Make sure you plan out all the various connections.

S-video is very old these days, but you may have an old device that uses it. I would focus on getting a receiver that accepts S-video input and can send it over HDMI.

Good luck! Take pictures and post them when you are done...it may help someone else out down the road.
post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 
Adixium,

How convenient that you replied. You know another member, Black Banshee and I've seen your replies on his HT thread. All 3 of us live pretty close to each other. He and I are co-workers.

Anyway, thanks for the info. Just one other question...I have a speaker system where everything goes into the sub via a S-video-like cable. The sub has output pairs for 5 speakers. Do you know what this S-video-like interface is called? I will need a receiver that works with this also. Is it the same as "Sirius" ?

Thanks.
post #6 of 15
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Originally Posted by SecretSpy711 View Post

Adixium,

How convenient that you replied. You know another member, Black Banshee and I've seen your replies on his HT thread. All 3 of us live pretty close to each other. He and I are co-workers.

Anyway, thanks for the info. Just one other question...I have a speaker system where everything goes into the sub via a S-video-like cable. The sub has output pairs for 5 speakers. Do you know what this S-video-like interface is called? I will need a receiver that works with this also. Is it the same as "Sirius" ?

Thanks.

Sorry about the short answer...what is the make and model of the speaker system? Most likely its not S-Video plug since you have at least 10 pins.

What are you planning to do with this connection?
post #7 of 15
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Originally Posted by SecretSpy711 View Post

Adixium,

How convenient that you replied. You know another member, Black Banshee and I've seen your replies on his HT thread. All 3 of us live pretty close to each other. He and I are co-workers.

Small world! I checked out his build in person during the framing and wiring stage. I'm excited to see it finished. Did you see his lego lens slide in the 2.35 CIH forum?

Is your fireplace/TV niche just like the one in his living room?

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Originally Posted by SecretSpy711 View Post

Anyway, thanks for the info. Just one other question...I have a speaker system where everything goes into the sub via a S-video-like cable. The sub has output pairs for 5 speakers. Do you know what this S-video-like interface is called? I will need a receiver that works with this also. Is it the same as "Sirius" ?

Thanks.

Wow - no clue, never seen anything like that. Perhaps BigMouth will chime in...
post #8 of 15
Thread Starter 
Audixium,
I've never actually been in his house, so I really can't say. I'd like to see his setup, though.

Audixium / foraye,
The guy at Best Buy said he's seen that type of sub/stereo connection before and it's some type of proprietary thing. So either I will have to have a custom cord made, or get different speakers.

I made a hole in the wall for the first wall-plate, but there is a horizontal stud blocking my run down the wall, and I don't currently have a way to get through it with the current hole. Do I need to get a flexible drill bit, or just cut more drywall?
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post #9 of 15
Here is my suggestion. Get a half inch wood bit and drill the hole down through that horizontal stud. You are going to have to cut more sheet rock. So do the following first before you drill your stud. Check with your hand or a hanger to the left and make sure you can find the vertical stud. More than likely when you pass the horizontal stud you will be blocked from going left/right more than 16" due to a vertical stud. So make sure you are drilling down the "channel" you want your wiring to go in.

Second, make sure you cut a big enough piece of sheet rock that your drill can go in and you wont have to break any pieces to make the gun fit in the wall. Then, take a paint stick, the sheet rock and screw one side of the paint stick into your existing sheetrock, and the other side into the other side of the sheet rock, so you now have a horizontal paint stick in your sheet rock. You can now screw your piece you cut into the sheetrock, mud and tape. It's not a pro's way of doing it but I have been shown this trick a time or two by many different carpenters and it works great.

Good Luck!
post #10 of 15
Thread Starter 
Silvershark,

thanks for the helpful hints. I have looked inside the hole, AND used my stud finder, and surprisingly there are no vertical studs anywhere close to where I'm trying to route...I think they may have doubled-up in the corners to compensate -- so I think I'm clear. However, since the mantle is tiered, I may have to go through several horizontals in short succession, which may make things difficult.

What's the "pro's" way of doing it? Flexible drill bit? If I can't find one from any of my neighbors, I'll try your method.

Thanks.
post #11 of 15
Well, I bought two different "flex" drill bit extensions from Home Depot and they both broke. You are right about going through the tiered mantle. When I went through mine it had a horizontal plywood layer. I had to drill through 2 layers of plywood - one vertical, and one horizontal. I cut a 5" (round) hole in the drywall as close to the "offending" piece as possible. Since you will have to do repair work anyway (patch, tape, mud, sand, texture, paint, etc.) I would cut out a larger than you think you need.

There are lots of ways to repair the drywall - check out drywallschool.com. They have great instructional videos.
post #12 of 15
Question - Auxdixium

I have had trouble lately when I tried to use component output from my hd dvd player. Instead of sending the upconverted 1080i signal, I got the message that it had to scale back to 480i. Isn't this the primary reason that you might want to run hdmi instead of component? I agree that the image quality is about the same using the two methods.

Incidentally, I just went through this process to run speaker wires to my sidewalls. I found a firebreak in the studs four feet from the ground. I wound up having to cut a hole above the firebreak so that I could drill through and then I got to repair the drywall. Less than an hour total from finding the problem till I was ready to come back with finish drywall coats (and sanding and painting etc.). This hobby teaches you how to be self sufficient!
post #13 of 15
zductive - not sure about your problem with component out. I agree that HDMI and component look about the same (no difference to my eye). I was suckered into the "single cable" argument...

You might try posting your dvd issue in the player forums. Tons of really knowledgeable folks over there. Make sure you include your dvd model and display model, etc, etc
post #14 of 15
Thread Starter 
zductive,

well part of the reason i am running component is so that I can use my current system which is composite. Since component and composite use the same RCA type connectors I can just use the component run for now until I get a better system. I don't know what the system will be, though, so I might as well run HDMI as well.

I think I'll hold off running digital audio, though because I plan on routing speaker wire through the room for surround, and I'll use the TV only for video... but I'll leave an open gang for it if I need it in the future.
post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by zductive View Post

Question - Auxdixium

I have had trouble lately when I tried to use component output from my hd dvd player. Instead of sending the upconverted 1080i signal, I got the message that it had to scale back to 480i. Isn't this the primary reason that you might want to run hdmi instead of component? I agree that the image quality is about the same using the two methods.

Component output is analog, so no copy protection can be acheived, therefore most dvd/hd dvd players will limit output to just 480i. dvi/hdmi is digital and can be protected, aka hdcp enabled. They just don't want you to upconvert the content, then be able to copy it.
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