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post #31 of 6171
Thread Starter 
They would both be awsome for sure. Would go down again to overall PQ, giving panasonic the slight edge.
post #32 of 6171
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

^^^ I was at 15 FT from that actuall shot with no zoom. Pics where taken with a Fuji S5000.



This unit in direct comparison to the TH-50PZ800U, the only I noticed is that the screen is 37% smaller . As always when one goes smaller a picture does get sharper.

This unit in direct comparison to the PDP-6020HD, I feel the color pop overall is the same in comparision. Of course the Kuro has deeper blacks but its not like this Panasonic does not have a deep dark blacks itself. ( I guess I wish D-nice lived a little closer.... )

So are you saying that the 58" is a tad less sharper image quality over the 50"?

Also, is there a flicker when viewing 24p/48hz bluray material?
post #33 of 6171
Thread Starter 
I did not notice the flicka in my set. When one goes down in unit size the picture tends to get sharper, meaning the smallest set is the sharpest, not by much, just the way manufacturers seem to design these sets.
post #34 of 6171
>>> 3D Y/C digital comb filter delivers
Why is this always greyed to Off for std DVD and HD broadcast ? Shouldn't this be on ?
post #35 of 6171
I want one!
post #36 of 6171
How would this beast do with a 10 foot viewing distance in an average day lit room?

I was considering the 50" but felt it may be a little on the small side. (But I have been living with a 34" Sony Wega HD CRT for the last 5 years )

I too wonder if Panasonic has corrected the 24P fludder issue with this newest release?
post #37 of 6171
The WAF precludes me from anything larger than a 58 (She really only agreed to a 50, but after 15 years I know what I can get away with before I end up in the dog kennel).
I am really going to drag my feet on this for a couple of more months until I pay off my car, but I am wondering which of the "classic" TV buying holidays is the best to move on.
1. day after Thanksgiving
2. At Christmas (Or the day after)
3. Superbowl

btw...I will probably patronize one of the forum sponsors (if that has any impact) and the cars last payment is Feb 09 (I will cheat and get a little earlier if I have to )
post #38 of 6171
Thread Starter 
Day after Thanksgiving, day after Christmas are the best days. who's to say though might be so slight there is no impact. Funny how these sales are the two days B & M stores come down to internet pricing. Internet guys usually do not have these sales, as we sell rock bottom every day of the year.
post #39 of 6171
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Day after Thanksgiving, day after Christmas are the best days. who's to say though might be so slight there is no impact. Funny how these sales are the two days B & M stores come down to internet pricing. Internet guys usually do not have these sales, as we sell rock bottom every day of the year.

I figured that may be the case and that is why I mentioned that I would buy from a sponsors store

What about my other question of mine? Care to comment since you all do installs as well.
post #40 of 6171
Thread Starter 
I have not noticed the 24P fludder issue on my display.
post #41 of 6171
How many do you have in stock Chris?
Are we at 3 Tamales delivered yet?
post #42 of 6171
Per a salesman at Best Buy in Columbia, MD on Sunday, he said they had some stock in their warehouse, although he wasn't sure they were available for release.

Since I just bought the 6020, it was more curiousity than anything else.
post #43 of 6171
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Originally Posted by Tayja View Post

How many do you have in stock Chris? Many, Many
Are we at 3 Tamales delivered yet? PM

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post #44 of 6171
Chris,

Can I ask what you think the best distance will be to watch this set?
I had a 50 that I sold off to trade up and not sure if I would like 52 or 58,
my distance is about 9 feet. I know it may take a few weeks before it losses it
size or shrinks.

Thanks
post #45 of 6171
Thread Starter 
I sit 7FT from this set and it looks fine. I think at 9FT you will be good to go. But lets get a second opinion.

http://myhometheater.homestead.com/v...alculator.html

1. Distance to main viewing location: 9 feet
2. Choose Screen Shape: 16:9 (Widescreen TV Shape)
3. Choose Screen Size: (Enter either a diagonal screen size or width): 58

RESULTS:
deg. Current Viewing angle 26.3
Feet Maximum recommended viewing distance 21.9
Feet Maximum recommended SMPTE viewing distance (30 degree viewing angle) 7.9
Feet Maximum THX viewing distance (26 degree viewing angle) 9.1
Feet Recommended THX viewing distance (36 degree viewing angle) 6.5
post #46 of 6171
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Originally Posted by richpat View Post

Per a salesman at Best Buy in Columbia, MD on Sunday, he said they had some stock in their warehouse, although he wasn't sure they were available for release.

Since I just bought the 6020, it was more curiousity than anything else.

BB has a quoted price on their site - I wonder if they'll actually release at that price. And, with Labor Day coming up, it'll be interesting if we see an instant markdown.
post #47 of 6171
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

I sit 7FT from this set and it looks fine. I think at 9FT you will be good to go. But lets get a second opinion.

1. Distance to main viewing location: 9 feet
2. Choose Screen Shape: 16:9 (Widescreen TV Shape)
3. Choose Screen Size: (Enter either a diagonal screen size or width): 58

RESULTS:
deg. Current Viewing angle 26.3
Feet Maximum recommended viewing distance 21.9
Feet Maximum recommended SMPTE viewing distance (30 degree viewing angle) 7.9
Feet Maximum THX viewing distance (26 degree viewing angle) 9.1
Feet Recommended THX viewing distance (36 degree viewing angle) 6.5

Hi Chris and Others,

I was ready to buy the TH-50PZ800U and now find the TH-58PZ800U is available. I like the idea of larger, but when I look at the 50" vs the 58" sizes at about ten feet viewing distance at BB I noted the following (this is where I will view it at in my family room):

1) Watching News or Interviews, it seems the peoples heads are unnaturally large when viewed on the 58" and you seem to get a sense of being overwhelmed, on the 50", all looks fine. (this was comparing the TH-50PZ800U to the TH-58PZ700U & the PDP-6010FD since the TH-58PZ800U was not on display). What causes this? I'm concerned the numbers you referenced for Recommend Viewing Distance, are just to close for my eyes?

2) I watch a lot of SD shows, so I'm really concerned about picking a set with great SD performance. Again, comparing the TH-50PZ800U to the TH-58PZ700U & the PDP-6010FD. I noted peoples faces on SD shows looked fine on the 50" but on the 58" they looked splotchy or showed blotchiness. Is this because you mentioned the smaller the size the sharper the picture? Is this true for SD as well or was I seeing some other SD artifact?

3) I noted in your photos, the 58" bezel is much wider than the 50" and seems to be more reflective (my family room has five windows, so even with blinds, I get a lot of glare), how do they compare in person?

Of course not being able to view multiple types of content, it is tough to really get a feel of how it will look in my family room. One BB sales guy told me if my eyes had to scan, that the set may be to large, but again, I like the idea of larger viewing for when you see split screen show segments, such as sports, it lets you see more detail, but the tradeoff may be poor SD viewing and being to much TV for ten feet viewing distance?

Sorry for so many questions, this is my first HDTV, I'm moving from a ten year old Panasonic 32" CRT.

Best Regards, Zephyros2
post #48 of 6171
Thread Starter 
Did you view the 50", 58", and 60" from the same distance? That would explain why everything is bigger. What was that distance? From 10FT like it will be at home?

The 50" is all screen and almost no Bezel....all glass, where the 58" has about a 3" bezel.
post #49 of 6171
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Did you view the 50", 58", and 60" from the same distance? That would explain why everything is bigger. What was that distance? From 10FT like it will be at home?

The 50" is all screen and almost no Bezel....all glass, where the 58" has about a 3" bezel.

Hi Chris,
Yes, I viewed all at the same 10' distance for all, so I could get a sense of what my home 10' viewing would be like.
Do you fine the 3" bezel to reflective?
Regards, Zephyros2
post #50 of 6171
Thread Starter 
No problem with the bezel here. To each his own on the size, I know in abour 6 months you will be pleased with the 58" or wish you would have bought it as your current unit shrinks in size.
post #51 of 6171
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

No problem with the bezel here. To each his own on the size, I know in abour 6 months you will be pleased with the 58" or wish you would have bought it as your current unit shrinks in size.

Hi Chris,
Thanks for the info, can you say what causes that sense of just being to close with the picture just to large? I'm not sure I would get use to it?

Also, could you please answer my questions about SD?
Thanks so much for the help, Zephyros2
post #52 of 6171
Thread Starter 
SD loogs good on all of the units mentioned. I think you need to get used to having a larger screen. Guess you are not used to it, unless some one zoomed the picture on the larger screens.
post #53 of 6171
Chris,

Nice setup, can't wait till I can get the 65.

Zephyros2,
I gotta agree with Chris and not just because I wanna get a TV from him soon. I have a 65 I am currently watching from about 13 ft away. I replaced a 53 when I bought it and initially it seemed a little big but you quickly adjust. Now I can't see having anything smaller. I can't speak to PQ vs the 50, but sizewise I think you will appreciate the 58 and wish you woulda gone bigger if you get the 50. I don't find myself "scanning" at all. Way I see it, you are always focused on a portion of the screen, no matter what size, whether you realize it or not.
post #54 of 6171
What is gaming like on this tv? Or any of the smaller version.
post #55 of 6171
I bought a 50PZ85U when they first came out. I was coming from a 55" Sony SXRD set. I had a CC credit to use towards a new set. If the 58" was available when I had to use my credit I sure would have traded for one. I like the 50" just fine on regular TV watching but long for a bigger set on movie night or in some sports. If you can afford and fit the 58" in your room I would go for it.

If I could figure out a way I'd order a 58" today I've got the dough and the room just need to move the 50" someplace

Jim
post #56 of 6171
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Originally Posted by motoman View Post

I bought a 50PZ85U when they first came out. I was coming from a 55" Sony SXRD set. I had a CC credit to use towards a new set. If the 58" was available when I had to use my credit I sure would have traded for one. I like the 50" just fine on regular TV watching but long for a bigger set on movie night or in some sports. If you can afford and fit the 58" in your room I would go for it.

If I could figure out a way I'd order a 58" today I've got the dough and the room just need to move the 50" someplace

Motoman -- I just bought a 60 inch Pioneer Kuro 6020 a couple of weeks ago. I, too, would almost certainly have bought the the 58 inch Panasonic instead but it wasn't shipping yet. I hasten to add that I love the Kuro but, man, it was expensive!

My evolution from my old TV, a 5 year old, 50 inch RCA Scenium DLP was easy. I moved the old RCA into my bedroom and gave the TV that was there, a 21 year old Pioneer 40 inch rear projector, to my housekeeper's daughter.
post #57 of 6171
Chris,

When you have a chance can you measure the bolt spacing for wall mounting? I don't need an exact, just within an inch or so on the width. In the process of setting up a room and I can mount everything (speakers, shelves, etc..) without the set as long as I am close.

Thanks
post #58 of 6171
Chris,

Do you have any details on the 65" set yet, i.e. a definitive date when it will arrive? I am sick of waiting for my Mitsu DLP to get repaired and I am hopeful that my better have will tire of watching the small LCD that we moved from the bedroom to the den. The Mitsu is 62", and since I sit ~12-13 feet away, I'm thinking the 65" Panny will be just about perfect.

Also, can you confirm what's up with the stand, r.e. extra cost? I need one-- you can PM me if you like.

Thanks in advance!

CJ
post #59 of 6171
65PZ850 should be sometime early next month. 58PZ800's should begin to arrive within this week or next most stores!

Chris
post #60 of 6171
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by cjut01 View Post

Chris,
Do you have any details on the 65" set yet, i.e. a definitive date when it will arrive? I am sick of waiting for my Mitsu DLP to get repaired and I am hopeful that my better have will tire of watching the small LCD that we moved from the bedroom to the den. The Mitsu is 62", and since I sit ~12-13 feet away, I'm thinking the 65" Panny will be just about perfect.
Also, can you confirm what's up with the stand, r.e. extra cost? I need one-- you can PM me if you like.
CJ

Expected date of 08-25-08 on the TH-65PZ850U and TH-58PZ850U. Stand has an MSRP of $699, no street pricing as of yet on the stands.

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Originally Posted by brh056 View Post

Chris, When you have a chance can you measure the bolt spacing for wall mounting? I don't need an exact, just within an inch or so on the width. In the process of setting up a room and I can mount everything (speakers, shelves, etc..) without the set as long as I am close. Thanks

Let me crack open one of these units and get that for you, TH-58PZ800U are flurishing.
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