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post #661 of 1091
9/24/09 at 7:56am
Thanks for all the great advice on the forum, going to order the 9100 very soon and appreciate all the intelligent questions and answers.
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post #662 of 1091
9/24/09 at 7:22pm
Have my system all hooked up and sounds great. I am having trouble getting TrueHd or DTS-HD Master Audio though. I am using a PS3 and have it set to bitstream HDMI. I have all the sound settings selected but aac. Any tips?
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post #663 of 1091
9/24/09 at 9:25pm
Hi guys, I am in desperate need of some help with my HT-S9100. I wish my first post wasn't a plea for technical assistance, but I'm really just a hardcore lurker of this forum who hasn't had anything to say before. I've read the manual and tried everything I can think of to no avail.

So here is my setup/problem, in as much detail as I can provide. I have a DirecTV HR23/PS3/360/Wii connected to my receiver all w/ HDMI (except for the Wii which I have connected w/ component). Then I have one HDMI going from my receiver to my Sammy 4096's HDMI1 input.

This is how my inputs are assigned. I've gone into the setup on the receiver and have them properly assigned to avoid any conflicts:

DirecTV - CBL/SAT
PS3 - DVD
360 - VCR/DVR
Wii - AUX (as an aside, ever since I reset my receiver I can't get my Wii to display at all either, but I hardly ever play it so it's not much of a concern)

The issue I'm having is that more often than not, I'm getting a No Signal display on my receiver and TV when I try to use my PS3 or 360. I have the game system on, and I know the connection is fine because I will have just played it the night before, or even hours before. Yet when I try to switch back from CBL/SAT to either DVD or VCR/DVR, the HDMI light will blink for about 15 seconds, then the PCM, HDMI, and DSP lights come on, but No Signal is also displayed. Sometimes just the DSP light comes on and ALL CH ST is displayed instead of No Signal, but still I get no picture or audio.

I've taken the 360/PS3 HDMI out of my receiver while it displays No Signal and the game system is on, put it into HDMI2 on my TV, and there is the picture and sound. So I know they ARE sending a signal. Where I am really confused is that CBL/SAT never fails to display. Ever. So every now and then, when I switch back to VCR/DVR or DVD to try it again, IT WORKS! I have no idea what is causing it to stop working, or what is causing it to start working again, and this is what is driving me insane. I'm pretty much at the mercy of the whims of my receiver, deciding whether it feels like working or not. If I had to guess, I would say something is up with the HDCP/encryption/handshake/whatever-it-does.

I've tried every combination of turning everything off and on in different orders, waiting different intervals between turning them on, and nothing seems to make a difference. I even reset my receiver, disconnected/reconnected everything, and the problem persists. What I do know is that when it is going to work, the picture will appear within 5 seconds, and I will get a DIALOG NORM +4 display immediately for whatever reason. When I see that display I know I'll get a signal. When it does work, I am VERY happy with the sound from this system.

I am at my wits end and would greatly appreciate any help anyone could offer.
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post #664 of 1091
9/25/09 at 7:22am
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Have my system all hooked up and sounds great. I am having trouble getting TrueHd or DTS-HD Master Audio though. I am using a PS3 and have it set to bitstream HDMI. I have all the sound settings selected but aac. Any tips?

You can not get any type of HD sound from the PS3 by setting it to bitstream. It needs to be set to PCM and let the PS3 do the work, your receiver should show digital audio and should show all 5 or 7 + 1 channels active.

Disclaimer on PS3... for what I've read on the new slim model; the new slim PS3 can be set to bitstream and will send the right digital audio through the HDMI for the receiver to do the decoding, I have an older PS3 - 80g so I'm just going on this one base on what I've gather from different places.

If you want a full write up on how to set up the PS3 for BD playing I would suggest to go to the BluRay section of the forums where there is a thread for PS3 used as one and only BD player, or something like that.

Ok made it easy for all interested;

One and Only PS3 thread; http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=650544

New PS3 slim thread; http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1172756
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post #665 of 1091
9/27/09 at 7:16pm
may be an odd question, but I've got the speaker setup and upgrading the amp to one of the newer 9.1 setups..but in need of another speaker..I'd like them to match..does anyone have an extra rear speaker (from this htib) they would like to part with?
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post #666 of 1091
9/28/09 at 10:08am
Thanks to all the people here for helping me with my decision to buy the HT-S9100 system. I received it via UPS from Newegg. The box arrived in fair condition. Once opened the top row and middle row of Styrofoam were in many pieces and the bottom ones were fine. No visible damage found on receiver or speakers.
Here is my problem. My subwoofer powers up (red then blue light) but, I don't get any sound out of it. Tried new cable and on different receiver and still just the lights come on. Any possible fix? Take the back off and look?

Should I send the whole system thing back to Newegg or have the subwoofer shipped off to a service center (at my expense for shipping)?
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post #667 of 1091
9/28/09 at 1:36pm
before doing anything like that..may be a no brainer...make sure your volume knob is up...that you have the cable connected to the preout..and not the input on the receiver..and then test your tone on the GUI...and check that the sub is on through the interface..i know it's as basic as disabling the parking brake in your car...but it's a mistake I know i've made before...but espeically if youre getting the blue light it means there is some signal being received..good luck!
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post #668 of 1091
9/28/09 at 8:36pm
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before doing anything like that..may be a no brainer...make sure your volume knob is up...that you have the cable connected to the preout..and not the input on the receiver..and then test your tone on the GUI...and check that the sub is on through the interface..i know it's as basic as disabling the parking brake in your car...but it's a mistake I know i've made before...but espeically if youre getting the blue light it means there is some signal being received..good luck!

Thanks for getting back.
The RCA cable was in the preout (unplugged and replugged before testing again), tone test on GUI (raised the dbs on the GUI too)with knob turned up, no luck. I can hear a faint hum from the back, but it's from the built in power supply.
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post #669 of 1091
9/29/09 at 8:00am
yah, looks like youre kind of stuck either way..i don't know the polocies of new egg, but onkyo definitely doesn't offer much help when most of their service centers are way out of drivers reach...i was thinking about shipping a receiver once..but that's i'm a good deal of money to ship something that heavy...at least they pay to ship it back :/
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post #670 of 1091
9/29/09 at 8:57am
Newegg will definitely replace it, if you say there was damage right out of the box.

I ordered from them, and one of the speakers was chipped/cracked on the back of it. Had to return the whole box to them, but they paid for it all, and got me a new set.

The only downside is that you will be without the set for a week or two...they don't ship out the second set until they receive the first one back (in my experience).
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post #671 of 1091
9/29/09 at 8:43pm
I was just about to give Newegg a call for a RMA on my system when I thought I would give the sub one more chance. I decided to take the back off the subwoofer and see it anything was loose or broken, at first it did not look as if anything was wrong. I then turned it over (solder side) and noticed a quarter sized glob of heat sink glue with tiny filaments of glue coming out of it on the circuit board, opposite the side where it its glued together. I cleaned it off and put it back together and powered it back on…..and did the finger touching on the end of the RCA cable and got some sound.
I quickly hooked up my cable back to the receiver, ran the speaker sound setup and I got SOUND…my golf ball wall display proceed to unload about 30 golf balls onto the floor! I forgot to turn the dbs down from my previous tests and I forgot to turn the knob down on the back of the sub.
To late to put in a movie to really see it in action. Thanks for everyone’s help.
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post #672 of 1091
9/30/09 at 11:47am
All set to purchase this system now i am concerned. It seems there are issues with this receiver and the Panny G10 i am going to marry it to. Have any of you guys married this set up to a V10 or G10 Panny? Was wondering if all of these systems are having trouble or just some .......I have read the issues in the other forum but wanted input from you guys to......Thanks
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post #673 of 1091
9/30/09 at 1:12pm
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All set to purchase this system now i am concerned. It seems there are issues with this receiver and the Panny G10 i am going to marry it to. Have any of you guys married this set up to a V10 or G10 Panny? Was wondering if all of these systems are having trouble or just some .......I have read the issues in the other forum but wanted input from you guys to......Thanks

What thread? I have a P50G10 and this set, and have had zero issues.

EDIT: Okay. Found the thread you were talking about. And I *might* have the issue.

My receiver/TV combo takes 10-15 seconds to go from HD material to SD material; like 480p to 1080i stuff on my cable box. It shows a black screen while it's doing it. I never really thought much of it until I saw that thread. Sounds like it's having issues during the handshake. But, I don't have any static or issues (besides the slowness) when changing inputs and whatnot.
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post #674 of 1091
9/30/09 at 3:28pm
Currently HTS9100 is on sale at NewEgg for 799 plus free shipping with 100$ off from promotion code SYSTEM9301X.

I am moving into a new home around Mid November. Should I wait for a better deal or jump into this. I didn't have good experience with NewEgg before. I have already pre-wired my new home for this. I want to have this setup in the first week itself.
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post #675 of 1091
9/30/09 at 9:40pm
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Originally Posted by Rig85 View Post

What thread? I have a P50G10 and this set, and have had zero issues.

EDIT: Okay. Found the thread you were talking about. And I *might* have the issue.

My receiver/TV combo takes 10-15 seconds to go from HD material to SD material; like 480p to 1080i stuff on my cable box. It shows a black screen while it's doing it. I never really thought much of it until I saw that thread. Sounds like it's having issues during the handshake. But, I don't have any static or issues (besides the slowness) when changing inputs and whatnot.

I guess you can call Panny if you think it is worth it for the rep to do a firm wear upgrade. I think i am still going with the 58 V10, i think it is the best display as close to 60 inches in my price target as i can get. The Onkyo setup seems to be the best set-up as well. Really have not decided on the blu-ray player yet.

Check That: Going with the Oppo
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post #676 of 1091
10/16/09 at 1:34pm
FYI -- I had decided to purchase this HTiB after reading its many positive online reviews. Newegg has it for $899 + a $100 off coupon code that seems to renew weekly, but they wanted $63.00 in tax because I'm in New Jersey. So I found it at a place called Bottom Line Telecommunications which have it for $791.41 with (no kidding) free UPS or FedEx (depending on your location) Ground delivery and $2.00 Handling for a total of $793.41 shipped (possible sales tax in CT, FL). Plus, they ship same day if you order by 4:45pm EST. I ordered one yesterday (10/15/09) and FedEX Ground tried to deliver it today (10/16/09)! Too bad I wasn't there to sign for it!

An interesting caveat is that BLT will not accept a free e-mail account (Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo!, etc.) when ordering, so in my case I used a university e-mail account I have.

I know it may sound too good to be true, but there is a minor catch. Onkyo's manufacturer warranty is voided if you don't buy from an authorized dealer. Upon finding this out, I looked around and found that SquareTrade would sell me a 3-year warranty with accident coverage for about $120 direct from them, which is less than the HT-S9100THX SquareTrade warranty from Vann's which costs $150 because of Vann's $850 price tag for the Onkyo.

I'm really glad I found these options and I wanted to share them here.
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post #677 of 1091
10/18/09 at 8:48am
I have my couch against a wall and my wife doesnt want to re-arrange furniture.

I understand the speakers are kinda close to me but If i set my back 4 up like this would the sound be real good for me??

my couch is like 6 feet wide and I sit in the middle so id be usually 2-3 feet away from those

Would this setup be an ideal setup?? It would be the best i could do w/out moving furniture
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post #678 of 1091
10/21/09 at 6:48pm
I have a 12x18x7 room in my basement. I am thinking about buying this system. I have an okay system right now, but I want something that gets loud. I mostly watch moives, but every once in a while I like to listen to music really load. Let me know if you guys think this is the system for me.
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post #679 of 1091
10/21/09 at 8:43pm
Hey guys, can I lay my side speakers on their sides?
Will it damage the speaker or anything?
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post #680 of 1091
10/21/09 at 9:21pm
I just recieved my system, FRICKING AMAZING!!! Im 23 and I got excited like a damn school girl(yes im a man).

It sounds SOOOO good. Played my xbox and when I turned the subwoofer high I thought my house was going to break.

Playing games on the 7.1 is AMAZING!!! When I hear a grenade behind me it plays directly behind me if i turn around the sound goes through all the channels til it plays in front of me.


omfg i cant wait to play more
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post #681 of 1091
10/22/09 at 10:06am
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Hey guys, can I lay my side speakers on their sides?
Will it damage the speaker or anything?

I'm sure it wouldn't do any damage...especially since these babies have wooden boxes.
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post #682 of 1091
10/22/09 at 10:46am
I think I may have the dreaded HDMI handshake problem.

The HT-R960 receiver is not picking up the signals from the Satellite box or the PS3.

The optical audio from the PS3 passes through just fine. Tuner works fine.

HD channels started experiencing the problem first...it would cause the picture to freeze intermittently. The SD channels were fine.

Now, it doesn't see the signal at all for either. The PS3 will show the main menu but when you start a Blu-Ray it loses the signal and gives the "no signal detected".

Going to call Onkyo...wish me luck...from reading around here...I will probably need it.

BTW...have had no problems for 10 months...this just started in the last week and is getting worse.
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post #683 of 1091
10/22/09 at 5:20pm
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Originally Posted by Satyamdas View Post

Hi guys, I am in desperate need of some help with my HT-S9100. I wish my first post wasn't a plea for technical assistance, but I'm really just a hardcore lurker of this forum who hasn't had anything to say before. I've read the manual and tried everything I can think of to no avail.

So here is my setup/problem, in as much detail as I can provide. I have a DirecTV HR23/PS3/360/Wii connected to my receiver all w/ HDMI (except for the Wii which I have connected w/ component). Then I have one HDMI going from my receiver to my Sammy 4096's HDMI1 input.

This is how my inputs are assigned. I've gone into the setup on the receiver and have them properly assigned to avoid any conflicts:

DirecTV - CBL/SAT
PS3 - DVD
360 - VCR/DVR
Wii - AUX (as an aside, ever since I reset my receiver I can't get my Wii to display at all either, but I hardly ever play it so it's not much of a concern)

The issue I'm having is that more often than not, I'm getting a No Signal display on my receiver and TV when I try to use my PS3 or 360. I have the game system on, and I know the connection is fine because I will have just played it the night before, or even hours before. Yet when I try to switch back from CBL/SAT to either DVD or VCR/DVR, the HDMI light will blink for about 15 seconds, then the PCM, HDMI, and DSP lights come on, but No Signal is also displayed. Sometimes just the DSP light comes on and ALL CH ST is displayed instead of No Signal, but still I get no picture or audio.

I've taken the 360/PS3 HDMI out of my receiver while it displays No Signal and the game system is on, put it into HDMI2 on my TV, and there is the picture and sound. So I know they ARE sending a signal. Where I am really confused is that CBL/SAT never fails to display. Ever. So every now and then, when I switch back to VCR/DVR or DVD to try it again, IT WORKS! I have no idea what is causing it to stop working, or what is causing it to start working again, and this is what is driving me insane. I'm pretty much at the mercy of the whims of my receiver, deciding whether it feels like working or not. If I had to guess, I would say something is up with the HDCP/encryption/handshake/whatever-it-does.

I've tried every combination of turning everything off and on in different orders, waiting different intervals between turning them on, and nothing seems to make a difference. I even reset my receiver, disconnected/reconnected everything, and the problem persists. What I do know is that when it is going to work, the picture will appear within 5 seconds, and I will get a DIALOG NORM +4 display immediately for whatever reason. When I see that display I know I'll get a signal. When it does work, I am VERY happy with the sound from this system.

I am at my wits end and would greatly appreciate any help anyone could offer.

Sounds like my problem...the HDMI card is probably bad. I am contacting Onkyo tomorrow.

I, too, love the sound from this system. For nearly 10 months everything was great...now this "no signal" is starting to anger me. I thought my components were not sending signals or the unit was over-heating (I have fans to pull the heat away) and went through the entire spectrum of changing/switching HDMI cables - ferrite core and non-ferrite core.

Only one conclusion the...the HDMI Card is bad.

Some are having the same problem with the Onkyo 606 receiver.
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post #684 of 1091
10/22/09 at 5:26pm
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Originally Posted by arc03 View Post

Have my system all hooked up and sounds great. I am having trouble getting TrueHd or DTS-HD Master Audio though. I am using a PS3 and have it set to bitstream HDMI. I have all the sound settings selected but aac. Any tips?

You have to update your PS3 firmware (I think version 2.3 or something). The PS3 did NOT originally allow for this to work. It now does with the firmware update.

The latest PS3 firmware is 3.01 or something.

Hope this helps.
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post #685 of 1091
10/22/09 at 5:55pm
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Originally Posted by Mr. Fuzz View Post

You have to update your PS3 firmware (I think version 2.3 or something). The PS3 did NOT originally allow for this to work. It now does with the firmware update.

The latest PS3 firmware is 3.01 or something.

Hope this helps.


I don't think that's quite right!

The older PS3 still does not bitstream TrueHD or DTS-MA thru HDMI. It decodes it first and sends it out as multichannel lossless PCM. The new PS3 Slim does bitstream TrueHD and DTS-MA via HDMI.

Here is Official PS3 FAQ thread. Look at post #2 under Audio Settings
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=931796
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post #686 of 1091
10/22/09 at 6:00pm
From the PS3 FAQ's.

Why doesn't the Dolby TrueHD or DTS HD-Master Audio light on my AV Receiver (AVR) come on when I'm playing BDs with these lossless audio formats?

<<b>August 26, 2009 Update> Because the original generation of PS3s use hardware that cannot bitstream the lossless Dolby and DTS audio formats via the HDMI output, the only option available for getting lossless multichannel audio out of these PS3 consoles is allowing the PS3 to do the decoding itself and then output, via HDMI, the decoded multichannel audio using Linear Pulse Code Modulation (LPCM). The AVR may have an indicator showing that the input is PCM, LPCM, MLPCM, or something similar. The AVR would only activate the Dolby TrueHD or DTS HD-MA light if it were doing the decoding. It would only be doing this if the source device were outputting these advanced audio formats as a bitstream and the original PS3 is not capable of doing this. The end result in sound quality is in most cases essentially the same (depending on the specific capabilities of the AVR) whether the decoding is being done by the PS3 vs. having the AVR do the decoding.

The new "PS3 Slim" design uses a later generation of HDMI hardware that is capable of bitstream output via HDMI of all of the Blu-ray Disc audio formats, including the lossless Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD-MA formats. Thus, with this new generation of PS3 hardware consumers that connect their PS3 Slim to a modern AVR via HDMI will have the choice of configuring the PS3 to internally decode the audio and the output this decoded audio in LPCM format (via the HDMI output) or having the PS3 bitstream the undecoded audio on to their AVR and allowing rhe AVR to do the decoding. In this latter case the AVR should indicate the specific audio format being output from the disc (i.e., including Dolby TrueHD or DTS HD-MA when those are available). Note that some Blu-ray Disc titles that do include one or more lossless audio tracks may only play the lossless track (instead of standard Dolby Digital or DTS) once the user has selected the lossless fromat from the disc's audio setup menu, while other Blu-ray titles may automatically default to the lossless audio track. This behavior is normal and is under the control of each movie studio when they create (author) their Blu-ray Discs.
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post #687 of 1091
10/22/09 at 8:08pm
my only complaint/gripe with this system is u have to take the volume up 3/4 full volume to really get impacting sound, unless im missing something in the settings.
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post #688 of 1091
10/22/09 at 8:21pm
afrogt is correct. The older PS3 does NOT bitstream.

Prior to the firmware 2.3 it wouldn't even PCM the advanced audio, now it does; although still not via bitstream.
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post #689 of 1091
10/23/09 at 10:48pm
Sorry for the noob question on this system, but -

Can the receiver convert component input to HDMI output?

Thanks in advance.
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post #690 of 1091
10/24/09 at 1:44pm
How do i get ProLogic IIx game mode?? I can select movie and music but cant find game mode. Please help
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