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post #961 of 1093
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Originally Posted by Squirlz View Post

What is the difference between the 9100 and the 9300?

Hi Squirlz, see Onkyo Product Comparison Chart.
post #962 of 1093
I got my ht-s9300 the other day and got it installed. So far so good. I am wondering if it is possible to use the rear speakers while viewing a 5.1 source? I wouldn't mind having them act the same as the surrounds.
post #963 of 1093
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Originally Posted by bheide View Post

I got my ht-s9300 the other day and got it installed. So far so good. I am wondering if it is possible to use the rear speakers while viewing a 5.1 source? I wouldn't mind having them act the same as the surrounds.

try going through the sounds modes for whatever source you're using (tv, game, movie, etc). i believe there is one that that will matrix 5.1 to 7.1. somebody else may be able to correct me or confirm that. dolby plIIz may be the one that will do that
post #964 of 1093
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Originally Posted by NateFg2 View Post

try going through the sounds modes for whatever source you're using (tv, game, movie, etc). i believe there is one that that will matrix 5.1 to 7.1. somebody else may be able to correct me or confirm that. dolby plIIz may be the one that will do that

THX I/S Cinema will also matrix 5.1 into 7.1. Not sure how it sounds compared to the Dolby PlIIz, as it will matrix to 7.1 as well, but I typically use the THX mode. Anyone care to enlighten us on the difference between the two?
post #965 of 1093
I currently have a 9100 and see you can't change the crossover frequency or set speaker size to small or large. Does it crossover at 80hz to the sub as THX recommends? Reason I ask is getting some different speakers probably tom. and a better sub in a while and was hoping to get by with this reciever for a while. (I blew all the $$ on picture quality and thought this system would get me by for audio as I slowly upgraded parts and theater room.) I love to play around with my electronics and the lack of control is discouraging.
post #966 of 1093
im almost positive i've seen both in the menu's somewhere but i couldnt tell u how to get there. hopefully im not mistaken with something else i messed around with.
post #967 of 1093
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Originally Posted by NateFg2 View Post

im almost positive i've seen both in the menu's somewhere but i couldnt tell u how to get there. hopefully im not mistaken with something else i messed around with.

When you say how to get there, are you referring to where you can change the listening formats? Sorry, just making sure I'm reading on the correct wavelength.
post #968 of 1093
By that I was saying I wasnt/am not sure where in the menu these setting are located and thought I came across them while just going through the various menus. Like I said, as far as speaker size and crossover adjustments, I could be mistaken since this was months ago.
post #969 of 1093
Well I have looked around extensively and am all but positive it is impossible to change these (crossover, speakers small or large). I picked up used klipsch two rf-35, rc-35, and two rs-25 for $600. I was afraid it would automatically set my mains to large but this was not the case and am satisfied with what I am hearing for now, although I would like to have the ability to set crossovers myself.

As far as the listening modes are concerned it is the difference in the frequency response. I believe THX modes are rolled off in the higher frequencies. It is personal preference in what sounds better to you. I use the THX I/S cinema mode for movies as I don't have room treated, it is small area with bright speakers, and the right of the front sound stage is open to rest of the basement. I prefer what I here with them now.

In the future after I have sealed and isolated the room, will get equipment to take frequency response measurements and will build and place absorption panels. I may like a different mode later. It is all up to what you think sounds better since what you like is so subjective with audio. Listen to some scenes in your favorite movies and switch back and forth while playing them multiple times. I learn more about this hobby everyday, and the more I know, the more I want to spend. This forum is filled with great advise but has definitly opened up a can of upgraditis, and has gotten me much more intrigued in audio along as my neverending obsession with the perfect picture. Oh well, up next new sub, then room, then receiver.........
post #970 of 1093
I have the 9100 for more than a year. I'm happy with the system. I only had problems with the Onkyo remote. I've got a new one.

I've connected an (old) harddisk-recorder (via component), BluRay player (HDMI) and a TV (sound via digital coax) to the receiver.
Via the HDMI-out video goes to the televison.

This all In combination with the Logitech Harmony 515 remote.

Calibrating the sound wa rather difficult. Calibrating with Audyssey 2EQ works good, but does not work very wel for the low frequencies. Look at the Audyssey site for more information.

I had the same question about the crossover frequencies.

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I 've calibrated the speakers with Audyssey 2EQ™ .
The sound experience is ok, but ..

My experience is that the subwoofer stays almost in standby when playing CD's or music-DVD's. It's activated with DVD-movies.

My question is how do I manually adjust the crossover frequencies, in such a way that the subwoofer is more active.
Thanks in advance.

The answer from Onkyo Europe was:
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It is normal that depending on the level the subwoofer will stand in standby during CD-playback.
Only with DVD you have LFE-channel so there is more level for the subwoofer.

There is no possibility to change crossover frequency.

Hope this helps you.
The only way of influence is speaker level/subwoofer.

So I powered up the LFE-channel. (Setup, 3 Audio Adjust, 5 LFE-level).

Greetz Jan.
post #971 of 1093
Wouldn't that make the sub woofer less active? the options I see for lfe are -5, -10, and -infinity (off altogether?) I am just asking, I do not know.
post #972 of 1093
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Hi Sarumanza, curious is to why you have the PS3 connected to Tv via HDMI and not to receiver?

Because I have one HDMI cable and one optical cable. If I ran HDMI to the receiver I wouldn't have a way to get to get video to the TV. I know cables are cheap, but this is what I have so I'm not going to order another one unless there is a reason to.
post #973 of 1093
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Originally Posted by Sarumanza View Post

Because I have one HDMI cable and one optical cable. If I ran HDMI to the receiver I wouldn't have a way to get to get video to the TV. I know cables are cheap, but this is what I have so I'm not going to order another one unless there is a reason to.

The reason is to get the new HD codecs, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio.
post #974 of 1093
digifan29 sorry, I went wrong.

The right answer is :

Setup
2.Speaker Setup
2.3 Level Cal
Subwfr, I changed to -1.0 dB (I thought the standard value is -8 dB)
Save settings


Don't get frightened of the noise.
post #975 of 1093
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Originally Posted by mike2002_1@hotma View Post

Tech Support had me do a reset and then told me to send it in to the service center. Can't really be without my receiver during the holidays since we are entertaining will have to send it in after the new year.

So my saga continues paid to have it sent off to the authroized repair center. Comes back and not 3 months later same issue. Of course onkyo is probably going to charge me to send it in AGAIN....frustrating to say the least. Any recommendations??
post #976 of 1093
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Originally Posted by Luke Kamp View Post

I currently have a 9100 and see you can't change the crossover frequency or set speaker size to small or large. Does it crossover at 80hz to the sub as THX recommends? Reason I ask is getting some different speakers probably tom. and a better sub in a while and was hoping to get by with this reciever for a while. (I blew all the $$ on picture quality and thought this system would get me by for audio as I slowly upgraded parts and theater room.) I love to play around with my electronics and the lack of control is discouraging.

i found what i was telling you about in my other reply. look on page 84 of the user manual. hope that helps. I think i was mistaken on the speaker size adjustment though.
post #977 of 1093
dead thread?
post #978 of 1093
Hopefully not! I've recently purchased this awesome setup, but I've unfortunately run into several problems. Really hoping someone who owns this setup can offer some insight:

Firstly, I've yet to figure out how to "activate" TrueHD. I am viewing blu-ray movies on a new model Panasonic player that claim to support TrueHD. Everything is hooked up with HDMI 1.3b cables. However, no matter how much I fiddle with the settings and try to "force" TrueHD it never appears to be "on" or light up. What am I doing wrong?

Also, after a few months of use, one day the sound just cut out. I was not able to get any audio to play from the speakers. I "fixed" the problem by moving the HDMI cable from the DVD input to the VCR-DVR input. Somehow the DVD input just crapped out. My question is whether or not this is a real solution, or am I somehow losing audio quality or functionality by having my blu-ray run through this input. I'm assuming its just for labeling/organization purposes but I'd like to have that confirmed.

Any advice/help is much appreciated. Thanks so much!
post #979 of 1093
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Originally Posted by JWright19 View Post

Hopefully not! I've recently purchased this awesome setup, but I've unfortunately run into several problems. Really hoping someone who owns this setup can offer some insight:

Firstly, I've yet to figure out how to "activate" TrueHD. I am viewing blu-ray movies on a new model Panasonic player that claim to support TrueHD. Everything is hooked up with HDMI 1.3b cables. However, no matter how much I fiddle with the settings and try to "force" TrueHD it never appears to be "on" or light up. What am I doing wrong?

Also, after a few months of use, one day the sound just cut out. I was not able to get any audio to play from the speakers. I "fixed" the problem by moving the HDMI cable from the DVD input to the VCR-DVR input. Somehow the DVD input just crapped out. My question is whether or not this is a real solution, or am I somehow losing audio quality or functionality by having my blu-ray run through this input. I'm assuming its just for labeling/organization purposes but I'd like to have that confirmed.

Any advice/help is much appreciated. Thanks so much!

Hi JWright19, don't own this HTIB but will offer help by asking some questions and a suggestions.

What is the Panasonic BD player model? Does it have the lastest firmware updates? Is the BD player audio output set to Bitstream with Secondary Audio to Off (if not try these setting)? And is HDMI Control or Audio Tv Out turned On (if so try turning it Off)?

And also note sometimes a Blu Ray disc will default to the standard DD/DTS track, so you might have to manually select the TrueHD/DTS-MA soundtrack. Normally this will be found under Audio or Language Setting.

For DVD input audio problem, was the "Digital Input" set to Analog (if so change it to HDMI (Auto)?
post #980 of 1093
You, sir, are my hero. Your questions helped me solve both my problems. secondary needed to be turned off to correct the TrueHD not being recognized, and somehow my digital input HAD been set to analog.

Thank you SO much for your help.
post #981 of 1093
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Originally Posted by JWright19 View Post

You, sir, are my hero. Your questions helped me solve both my problems. secondary needed to be turned off to correct the TrueHD not being recognized, and somehow my digital input HAD been set to analog.

Thank you SO much for your help.

Great, now to re-watch your BD collection .
post #982 of 1093
Anyone else have issues with the HDMI switchboard, such as losing signals--either audio, visual, or both--when switching inputs? Apparently, the 606 receiver has this problem regularly. I have only had my unit for a few months, and when watching blu-rays it will drop the audio but will reacquire the signal if I simply rewind the blu-ray a few seconds and start playing it. On my cable, the signal is often lost when I switch between HD and SD channels. The signal is reacquired when I change the input on the receiver to anything else and switch it back to CBL/SAT. I've tried all 4 HDMI inputs and have the problem.

Anyone else have the same or similar issues?
post #983 of 1093
BTW, here's the link to a thread of 606 owners with similar problems.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/receivers/1...mi-issues.html
post #984 of 1093
have u tried swapping out hdmi's for a different one? just to make sure it isnt a faulty cable? i always try to start with the cheapest possible fix and work my way to expensive when i try to troubleshoot. g/l.




what settings are you guys using as far as listening modes? im using my ps3 as my player outputting lpcm thru hdmi to the reciever and messed around with the settings for my games and for movies. to me pressing the games button and selecting multichannel sounds the best... and i believe the same with movies when using the tv/movie button.. Is this going to most likely be the best selection and the others just extra processing? im having a hard time noticing significant changes between the options. using multichannel i've found that its louder at given volume setting and more pleasing sub output.
post #985 of 1093
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Originally Posted by NateFg2 View Post

have u tried swapping out hdmi's for a different one? just to make sure it isnt a faulty cable? i always try to start with the cheapest possible fix and work my way to expensive when i try to troubleshoot. g/l.

Unfortunately I tried that and it didn't fix the problem. Luckily I have several HDMI cables around.


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Originally Posted by NateFg2 View Post

what settings are you guys using as far as listening modes? im using my ps3 as my player outputting lpcm thru hdmi to the reciever and messed around with the settings for my games and for movies. to me pressing the games button and selecting multichannel sounds the best... and i believe the same with movies when using the tv/movie button.. Is this going to most likely be the best selection and the others just extra processing? im having a hard time noticing significant changes between the options. using multichannel i've found that its louder at given volume setting and more pleasing sub output.

For movies, I predominantly use the THX I/S Cinema mode. Otherwise, I use THX Cinema when the DVD will output 7 channels in that mode. For TV and games, I still try different ones. Usually Dolby PLIIX or Neo:6.
post #986 of 1093
couple questions. i was trying to figure what a more acurate power power rating would be and i see earlier in the thread that some were saying this receiver is basically a 606 with a few extras. so would that be accurate to say the rc960 is about 90w per channel?

i come from a car audio background and they also fluff the numbers of amps with the magical 1500w(max) but it isnt hard to find the true power of the amps in smaller print in the form of rms. im surprised that in home theater how hard it can be to find the real world power expections of receivers. in car audio you could generally take the max boasted power of an amp and subtract half of that and it would get u a more realistic idea of what the amp puts out.

next question. how do u get the built in upscaler to work? i followed the user manual's directions but when i hit the info button on my tv to see what kind of signal its getting, it still says 480p(using a dvd). i turned the feature back to (through) and tried the upscaler on the ps3 and then it says 1080p when i hit the info on my tv for the given input. so it seems my upscale feature of the onkyo isnt working?
post #987 of 1093
I have the S9100 system hooked up to a Verizon cable box and Panasonic bd player via hdmi (in), then output via hdmi (out) to a Vizio XVT552. The Vizio supports wireless video streaming (netflix). The prob. is I DONT get sound via the 9100 system. SO the question...doees this sys. support/have either pass-thru or an audio return channel to send the sound to the receiver. (maybe the settings are wrong) Or....will I require an optical cable from the TV to the receiver to get 5.1 streaming sound like netflix. Thanks Bruce
post #988 of 1093
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Originally Posted by bruce253 View Post

I have the S9100 system hooked up to a Verizon cable box and Panasonic bd player via hdmi (in), then output via hdmi (out) to a Vizio XVT552. The Vizio supports wireless video streaming (netflix). The prob. is I DONT get sound via the 9100 system. SO the question...doees this sys. support/have either pass-thru or an audio return channel to send the sound to the receiver. (maybe the settings are wrong) Or....will I require an optical cable from the TV to the receiver to get 5.1 streaming sound like netflix. Thanks Bruce

Hi bruce253, connect an optical cable from tv to receiver since s9100 and XVT552 doesn't support ARC (audio return channel). Also may have to set your tv speaker to Off or external in the audio menu. Just note your tv may not output 5.1 but only 2Ch stereo.
post #989 of 1093
Onkyo HT-9300THX HTIB

oBOTTOM LINEo
My Girlfriend doesn't care for all this audio/visual stuff.
That being said, the other day after living for 2 weeks with this system set up and playing a wide variety of material, She announced,
"I really like the sound by the way."
Then said,
"I can't pinpoint where the sound is coming from ....it just surrounds you, like you're in a sound field."

Is that not awesome?

On a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being amazing, the sound quality of the speakers independently is like a 6 to 7, depending on source material (Movies, Music, Blu-Ray, DVD, Cable)
But when all of these speakers and the sub are playing in tandem with each other as they have been designed to....
This sucker is a 9+.

Trust me, I'd tell you if it wasn't.

The sound is precise. Not impeccable though...but specific, never distorts, sounds full, the bass punches....nice tight punches...

Forget the price. Because you will.

$800 to $1000 bucks (I paid $739 with free tax and shipping from Amazon who sold it for Vanns) for a 7.1 THX certified HTIB can worry the smart budding audiophile like it did me...but don't worry. For small living rooms, bedrooms, (8 to 10 square feet I believe they state) this system is awesome.


oTHXo
A word about THX I/S

This reciever and 7.1 speaker system, when all used together,

If you do this...you are listening to THX approved sound.

The reason I write that is because I can tell.
The quality of the sound field is so satisfying to m, so seamless....that my girlfriend, with out me asking her was happy to comment on it.

Like most movie lovers, I've been listening to surround sound since 1986 when it was 2 fronts and a monaural surround track.

Then...For the past 10 years I've been listening to 5.1 sound, Onkyo reciever from 2001, with a $70. 15 year old Optimus (radio shack) center, 2 Yamaha rears (awful) an audiosource (?) 80watt sub (awful again) and 2 massive 25 years old Fisher 150 watt video tech mark speakers from a high end rack system from back then (I have to admit, I love these things. They have 15'' woofers and will put out deep bass at 40 htz)

So this system in comparison is a radical difference.

The speakers can all be considered small...because all the bass gets pumped into the amazing sub woofer which puts out 20 to 25htz bass (wall shaking DEEP BASS)

The comfort of having 8 speakers, all putting out the same sound quality allows for a seamless soundfield.

I know that THX and Onkyo both designed this system. THX created a new certification level for small listening areas (8' by 8' to 15' by 15' I believe) for the normal humans beings out here like me that cannot build home theaters .

The THX certification was what excited me the most.


o INSTALL o
Massive box, weighs in at 136 pounds. Opening it felt like Christmas to me.
I live in a 4 story walk up in Queens, NY...so I had to un-box in Lobby and make 5 trips up and down stairs to get it all in my apt.
The sub is heaviest.


I replaced the mounts on the back with picture hanging metal hooks that support 60lbs, and I put picture hanging hooks in the wall that support 100lbs.

Mounted 7.1 speakers, reciever gives you option of using the back surrounds (as oppossed to surrounds) as either front high speakers or rear surrounds....

I chose the later.

I mounted speakers as In equal distances at ear lever around room to replicate mixing room as best I could.


HDMI cables...get some. Online is cheaper.
If you use HDMI....you get an on-screen menu.


The reciever let's you use an equalizer on each speaker....letting you adjust highs, mids and lows....with the sub....it let's you adjust 25htz, 40htz, 60 htz....let's you up the decile Levels by 6 on each.....

The audyssey microphone set up worked spot on for me.

I've used it about 10 times so far.

As soon as you plug in-- the microphone they give you....the set up pops up and prompts you to place mic in listening position 1, then sounds come out of each 7 speakers and sub.

Then position 2, then 3...
When done....if measures distance (crazy accurate) sets it's own EQ settings to compensate for room acoustics and all....and volume levels for each speaker.

I don't usually go for automatic anything...I'm a manual setting type guy....but I use the audyssey settings....


o SOUNDo
I've been blown away by listening to 5.1 soundtracks....
and 2.0 soundtracks....

The reciever has so many options for you ....

I personally chose THX I/S mode for everything 5.1 and up....

It takes the 5.1 and creates a 6th and 7th channel for you...

The results are sick.

I put on "Vertigo" yesterday. I had DVR'd it a few months back from HBO HD.

I was rocked by the opening soundtrack.

The music was coming out of all channels...sounding so clean and tight.

Then the opening scene, dialogue centered...gun shots ringing out.

Then I realized....it was 2.0...and I was listening to Dolby Pro Logic Z with THX Cinema...

This thing sounded like a newly re-mastered 5.1 soundtrack to me...I was just rocked.

Watched the first "TRON" last night.

5.1 in HD, I thought the sub wasn't loud enough...so I was going to pump it up a bit.
Now again, all settings are the Audyssey settings and sub volume knob is set to "THX Recommended"

Before I can up the sub volume like I normally would have done....
One of the those crazy looking flying "M" shaped machines fly's' into frame....

"VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM"

Whoa.

Also Been watching "Inception"
I have a PS3...and the reciever has an Video Processor in it. By Farudja.
I put on a little edge enhancement and upped the color....

Then let the DTS MA soundtrack go.

Oh man...

Again...I didn't think the sub was working at times...

Then this clean and deep "BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM"

The whole apt. shakes.

So ok. I have to go. I've been writing this for 2 days.
all in all...I'm so pumped, if you can't tell, by this system.

I highly recommend buying through Amazon, then VANNS...

I hope I've been helpful.

Good luck and enjoy.

Godspeed.
post #990 of 1093
Damn... long post. Good stuff. My only gripe so far is the center channel performance. Some movies are really difficult hear because the other speakers drown it out
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