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post #991 of 1093
Hi guys,
I am a first time writer. I got the 9300 thx 2 weeks a go. So far I am happy to the max on this thing. However, listning to certain tv clips on my PS3, (A recorded friends episode-mpg, a song downloaded from Yuetube) the high notes seem to sound distorted enough it sounds like there is a hole in the front 3 speakers. I tried to isolate which speaker is bad but all three seems to sound the same. But playing a DVD, BD even regular TV, this HTIB knocks it out the park every time.

Is something wrong with my system?
Is there an adjustment somewhere? (I got audessy doing e/thing now)
Is it just poor quality on the feed that makes this happen?

Please help........
post #992 of 1093
Hey
I think both of the above posts regard the same issue .
I had read that this system and the THX certification were designed specifically for movies...

that movies would sound good on this system....but not music.
I put on a DVD-Audio disc of Mozart Requiem. (in Dolby digital 5.1) and Pink Floyd dark side of the moon SACD

Both are high res audio discs...and the imaging on DSOM is incredible
But the highs seem to clip. Like they ate too high for the speakers tweeters...

But movies rock. And they sound perfect...so I don't know. Maybe the constant sound music puts out don't gel with these speakers. ?

So these speakers seem to be designed to reproduce film soundtracks....but not music....

I also notice the center channel speaker isn't stellar.

But these have to be issues with parts used,
post #993 of 1093
I don't own any sacds or dvda's but regular 2ch cds sound ok to me but not great.. I play them in 2ch mode. So 2.1 for music
post #994 of 1093
Thanks man
post #995 of 1093
Hey guys,

those who watch films at 0 db, do you keep Loudness Plus On or you turn it off?
post #996 of 1093
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Originally Posted by Saturnas View Post

Hey guys,

those who watch films at 0 db, do you keep Loudness Plus On or you turn it off?

I can't watch a movie at 0db
I'll be thrown out of my apt

But that loudness plus feature is awesome if you are watching something at a low volume

It boosts the bass and sound info You lose when watching a movie very low so you still hear everything

If you ate watching a movie loud
Generally you turn that off
post #997 of 1093
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Originally Posted by fathermurphy View Post

I can't watch a movie at 0db
I'll be thrown out of my apt

But that loudness plus feature is awesome if you are watching something at a low volume

It boosts the bass and sound info You lose when watching a movie very low so you still hear everything

If you ate watching a movie loud
Generally you turn that off

OK thanks!

Yeah it is loud but I got used to it
post #998 of 1093
Has anybody upgraded the speakers yet? How'd it turn out if so?
post #999 of 1093
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Originally Posted by fathermurphy View Post


I can't watch a movie at 0db
I'll be thrown out of my apt

But that loudness plus feature is awesome if you are watching something at a low volume

It boosts the bass and sound info You lose when watching a movie very low so you still hear everything

If you ate watching a movie loud
Generally you turn that off

If I watch my s9300thx at- 25 db it shakes my friend's apartment like an earthquake four doors over through concrete walls. 0 db might break windows and get me arrested lol
post #1000 of 1093
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Originally Posted by modernninja View Post
If I watch my s9300thx at- 25 db it shakes my friend's apartment like an earthquake four doors over through concrete walls. 0 db might break windows and get me arrested lol
Strange.. did you used mic and audessay EQ? It sets sound to reference level (0 db), which is set in cinema theatres and used in mixing films soundtracks...
post #1001 of 1093
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Originally Posted by NateFg2 View Post

Has anybody upgraded the speakers yet? How'd it turn out if so?

I haven't upgraded no...I'm using the onkyo ones. I'm digging it. You?
post #1002 of 1093
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Originally Posted by modernninja View Post


If I watch my s9300thx at- 25 db it shakes my friend's apartment like an earthquake four doors over through concrete walls. 0 db might break windows and get me arrested lol

Ha. Me too . I'm watching Harry potter the 900 one , the latest one really, and I turned her up to -20db...it was punishing my apt, I had to turn it down in within a minute
post #1003 of 1093
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Originally Posted by Saturnas View Post


Strange.. did you used mic and audessay EQ? It sets sound to reference level (0 db), which is set in cinema theatres and used in mixing films soundtracks...

I set it up with audyssey ...then I re calibrated levels with an spl meter app on iPhone which also measures bass down to 20htZ. Audussey 2eq doesn't measure the sub channel correctly...only the better ones do...
So of you set your system with that and leave it, you'll have to pump up your sub channel anyway cuz it won't be loud enough

But also...it re eq's the soundtrack....which Is handy at night... But i don't want that during the day ...I'd rather put it up as high as i can to hear the full dynamics of the soundtrack

I've found issues with the audyssey And the THX setting for that reason...they basically apply dynamic range compression to the sound
Thx takes alot of highs from the soundtracks

I am now using Dolby ex for my sound
It ads the 2 extra rear channels on 5.1 soundtracks
And doesn't re eq sound

What about everyone else ? I'm curious?
post #1004 of 1093
i ordered new front three speakers. im getting energy cf-70's and a cc-10. im tired of the weak center channel and having to crank the volume to hear dialogue and everything else being too loud. it gets annoying. so im trying a new front 3 and see how that goes.
post #1005 of 1093
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Originally Posted by NateFg2 View Post

i ordered new front three speakers. im getting energy cf-70's and a cc-10. im tired of the weak center channel and having to crank the volume to hear dialogue and everything else being too loud. it gets annoying. so im trying a new front 3 and see how that goes.

I have to admit that center channel blows
I adjusted the eq settings in the main speakers settings menu and upped the highs and mid levels to make it a bit more crisp...but it still doesn't sound great

Let me know how this works out for you
post #1006 of 1093
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Originally Posted by NateFg2 View Post

i ordered new front three speakers. im getting energy cf-70's and a cc-10. im tired of the weak center channel and having to crank the volume to hear dialogue and everything else being too loud. it gets annoying. so im trying a new front 3 and see how that goes.

I just looked up these energys you are going to upgrade to and they sound amazing...
But I would have 2 concerns

Which HTIB do you own ? 9300? 9100?
Because they say the system is rated thx certified with these specific speakers

And when you swap out the fronts...to keep the sound field seamless ...I think you're going to need to but 4 more if these speakers for the surrounds and rear surrounds
No?
Also...the speakers you get with this system aren't amazing by any means....and once you replace the fronts...you're going to hear how bad they sound

You know ?

I'd take the onkyo fronts you're swapping out and put them in as the surrounds for now
Cause the fronts /center seem to be the beat of the bunch

Thoughts?
post #1007 of 1093
Well first off you will be surprised at the change that moving speaker location and re-running audessey will make. The speakers really aren't horrible for a htib but with all my tweaking i haven't been able to get the center where i want it. I've tried changing listening modes, moving the speaker and running audessey again, tweaking settings, and I just can't get it where I want it. I just don't think I should have to max the master volume to be able to hear dialogue. Yeah the new speakers aren't thx but I'm not so concerned with that. The new speakers should be better in every way. To get $1300 worth of new speakers for $622 to your front door is too hard to pass when you find what you have lacking. I think our systems sound pretty good but only when you can crank the volume. I can't take it that loud hardly ever right now so I'm going to give this a shot. I have the 9100 btw for well over a year now.
post #1008 of 1093
If I find that rest of of the speakers won't cut it anymore either then I'll look into selling the whole thing and get a new receiver and rears.
post #1009 of 1093
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Originally Posted by NateFg2 View Post

Well first off you will be surprised at the change that moving speaker location and re-running audessey will make. The speakers really aren't horrible for a htib but with all my tweaking i haven't been able to get the center where i want it. I've tried changing listening modes, moving the speaker and running audessey again, tweaking settings, and I just can't get it where I want it. I just don't think I should have to max the master volume to be able to hear dialogue. Yeah the new speakers aren't thx but I'm not so concerned with that. The new speakers should be better in every way. To get $1300 worth of new speakers for $622 to your front door is too hard to pass when you find what you have lacking. I think our systems sound pretty good but only when you can crank the volume. I can't take it that loud hardly ever right now so I'm going to give this a shot. I have the 9100 btw for well over a year now.

Yea it makes sense to me
I would replace also If I had the loot
And that is a great deal you have there

I don't know if the 9100 allows you to individually set the graphic eq for each speaker like the 9300 does (it in the speaker set up mode)
But it seems to help with clarity
Although still
The center channel isn't crystal clear
Which bothers me

And in the end I've turned off the audessey settings
And turned off the thx settings

I set the EQ settings on the fronts and 4 surrounds equally by applying more treble to then
Then upped the 20 40 &60 htz settings for the sub

I bought a spl meter from iTunes for the iPhone
I works decent
I re ran the test tones and calibrated the sound with the spl meter

I set all the channels from my main listening position
I upped the rears 2db each..

And now there is a radical difference in soundtracks

I leave it on Dolby digital ex now and the sound is clear the highs are Bright

I don't know how important the new speakers being THX are really

Im sure if you paid $1000 for a speaker and it was a THX certified speaker it would be awesome

But these speakers are more like $100 speakers
If that

Not suprising they aren't great
post #1010 of 1093
Yeah exactly. Thx or not the speakers are the downside to this system like most htib's. The 9100 receiver is the r960. Our receivers are pretty much the same. Hdmi 1.4 and dolby plz being the main difference. If I turn off audessey i can manually enter settings and eq. I may do it just to see what I get. Another reason for the new fronts is I don't feel these speakers will handle music very well. I will give it a try maybe today with manual settings going 2.1. I'm kind of embarrassed i didnt think to try running without audessey before ordering the speakers but I still think I made a good choice. We will see.
post #1011 of 1093
Quote:
Originally Posted by NateFg2
Yeah exactly. Thx or not the speakers are the downside to this system like most htib's. The 9100 receiver is the r960. Our receivers are pretty much the same. Hdmi 1.4 and dolby plz being the main difference. If I turn off audessey i can manually enter settings and eq. I may do it just to see what I get. Another reason for the new fronts is I don't feel these speakers will handle music very well. I will give it a try maybe today with manual settings going 2.1. I'm kind of embarrassed i didnt think to try running without audessey before ordering the speakers but I still think I made a good choice. We will see.
I think you made a good choice also
I heard music didn't sound great out of these speakers also before I bought it
I played A few things and they don't sound great in fact
It's like music allows yiu to hear the limits if these speakers


The audessey and thx settings screwed with me a bit
Apparently the audessey 2eq ...when you run it ...doesn't measure the sub levels accurately

In order to have your audessey measure sub levels ...you have to Have one of the better eq setups they offer....which are only available in higher end receivers....

And ours....the 2EQ .....is the bottom line room correction system
They have
MultEQ XT32
MultEQ XT
MultEQ
2EQ
You can look on the web site below link

http://www.audyssey.com/technology/multeq.html

So that's when I just went to manual mode and did everything myself and now if I switch between the thx or audyssey settings I prefer mine a lot more.
post #1012 of 1093
Yeah the sub doesn't set up well, especially when the knob is set to the thx position. I've bumped mine up some but I've been having sub placement issues I'm trying to deal with. The sub should last me for a while. Maybe haha
post #1013 of 1093
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Originally Posted by NateFg2 View Post

Yeah the sub doesn't set up well, especially when the knob is set to the thx position. I've bumped mine up some but I've been having sub placement issues I'm trying to deal with. The sub should last me for a while. Maybe haha

Oh yea

Now the sub I like.....
That baby is great Right?
post #1014 of 1093
I have no complaints. It's size and power is what drew to this system at first. I like it enough so far that I'm not looking to replace it anytime soon. I still haven't really seen what it can do since I live in an apartment right now. It made me smile when I had first had it watching transformers. It was a fight scene where somebody shot off a laser and the sub gave a cool low freq slide haha
post #1015 of 1093
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Originally Posted by NateFg2 View Post

I have no complaints. It's size and power is what drew to this system at first. I like it enough so far that I'm not looking to replace it anytime soon. I still haven't really seen what it can do since I live in an apartment right now. It made me smile when I had first had it watching transformers. It was a fight scene where somebody shot off a laser and the sub gave a cool low freq slide haha

That's awesome

My first "holy ****"moment with the sub was watching "Oceans 11"

They killed the power to all of Vegas with that big emp thing in the van...and the sub let out a "BOOOOOOOOOOOOM" that I felt in my heart

Awesome
post #1016 of 1093
I forgot about that one. I'll have to pop it in an check it out. I have it
post #1017 of 1093
So I disabled audessey and tweaked the xover's for all the speakers except the sub. Tested them with different music in stereo mode 2.1 got things to sound better then I continued to boost the other channels to similar specs tried a movie but still hasn't helped the center much. Anybody here that can listen at high levels verify for me, my theory that you have to crank the volume to get decent center output? I can'get too loud as I'm in an apartment right now. I never get out of the -30's. -32 is usually the lowest I go for movies. -40 for games.
post #1018 of 1093
I got only my center yesterday. It's made a very noticeable difference. So far I've noticed much better dialogue output and bass, since its ported. Another thing I've noticed is a more difference between sound modes for games, movies, and tv. I can't wait for my other two speakers to arrive on Friday.
post #1019 of 1093
Quote:
Originally Posted by fathermurphy View Post

Yea it makes sense to me
I would replace also If I had the loot
And that is a great deal you have there

I don't know if the 9100 allows you to individually set the graphic eq for each speaker like the 9300 does (it in the speaker set up mode)
But it seems to help with clarity
Although still
The center channel isn't crystal clear
Which bothers me

And in the end I've turned off the audessey settings
And turned off the thx settings

I set the EQ settings on the fronts and 4 surrounds equally by applying more treble to then
Then upped the 20 40 &60 htz settings for the sub

I bought a spl meter from iTunes for the iPhone
I works decent
I re ran the test tones and calibrated the sound with the spl meter

I set all the channels from my main listening position
I upped the rears 2db each..

And now there is a radical difference in soundtracks

I leave it on Dolby digital ex now and the sound is clear the highs are Bright

I don't know how important the new speakers being THX are really

Im sure if you paid $1000 for a speaker and it was a THX certified speaker it would be awesome

But these speakers are more like $100 speakers
If that

Not suprising they aren't great

Is there an app similar to that one for Android?

I haven't messed with the speaker setup since the Audessey settings. But I also have the center channel too low and muddy sometimes.

How much of a difference did you find when you set it yourself? Like night and day better?
post #1020 of 1093
Search for it in the android market I found two of them. I never use night mode but do use the dynamic eq
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