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post #241 of 5602
9/5/08 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by Bayboy911 View Post

Just ordered mine from HOME TECHNOLOGY STORE the price has changed, but if you call they will still offer the introductory price they were offering. My guess is that not all authorized dealers had websites when Denon makes the list.
Now I will wait in anticipation for my new receiver to show up. Hopefully I will find a tv this weekend to pair it up with.

Denon's list is not kept up to date either. Good that you got their introductory pricing.
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post #242 of 5602
9/6/08 at 12:24pm
I have a question for 2809 owners. I am thinking of upgrading to the 2809 or 3808 from an Onkyo 605. I have a set of speakers on my deck that I run off of the "B" terminals on the 605. I know on mine my 7.1 drops to 5.1 when the deck speakers are on, otherwise it's always 7.1. Do the Denons function the same way?
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post #243 of 5602
9/6/08 at 2:45pm
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I have a question for 2809 owners. I am thinking of upgrading to the 2809 or 3808 from an Onkyo 605. I have a set of speakers on my deck that I run off of the "B" terminals on the 605. I know on mine my 7.1 drops to 5.1 when the deck speakers are on, otherwise it's always 7.1. Do the Denons function the same way?

Yes.
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post #244 of 5602
9/6/08 at 4:48pm
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Question for those that own the 2809. What is the averge volume you are listening at. I understand reference level is 0db but in my experience I have needed to turn the AVR to the lower 20db range just to be able to hear everything without straining my ears. Any less then that seems too quiet. I have gone through the audyseey setup a few times and not changed anything once done. Everything is in my living room which is fairly open but I would think the Audyseey setup would have accounted for that. From my experience most people have considered the 20-30db range to be very loud. My 5yr old yamaha I replaced never got below 38db and that was very loud to me. Excuse my inexperience with Denon's and proper audio setup but would like to know if this is right or if I should go back and tinker with the settings. One thing to note is that there is a red light on the AVR which if I remember means dynamic volume is turned off.

I run it anywhere from -30 to -7, depending on the source. DVD, Xbox360, and Time Warner HD box are all in that range, with major variation in source material dictating the listening volume. I am running the MultiEQ and DV on the Xbox and Cable, and only MultiEQ on the DVD player, which I tend to run louder.

CD player is running 2ch in pure direct, and that is usually running from -15 to -5dB.
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post #245 of 5602
9/7/08 at 11:52am
What does the 2809 do if you tell it you don't use a sub? Where does it, or can it divert the sub signal to other channels/speakers in a 5 or 7 speaker set up?

I currently have 2 pairs of IL50 with 10inch built in powered subs and attached my separate sub (10inch powered) to my IL36Center speaker for increased base on center channel audio. I currently use a HK AVR7000 and have my sub set to NO, and the base was noticeably better in this configuration for all of my speakers, albeit I have no sub signal till I hook up a sub. I don't think I'll have enough cash for the next couple of months to buy a sub as I want to get some di poles and go to a 7 channel config first.
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post #246 of 5602
9/7/08 at 12:46pm
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What does the 2809 do if you tell it you don't use a sub? Where does it, or can it divert the sub signal to other channels/speakers in a 5 or 7 speaker set up?

I currently have 2 pairs of IL50 with 10inch built in powered subs and attached my separate sub (10inch powered) to my IL36Center speaker for increased base on center channel audio. I currently use a HK AVR7000 and have my sub set to NO, and the base was noticeably better in this configuration.

Try setting the receiver sub-woofer mode to LFE+Main (This is referred to as double base so the satellite speakers reproduce the base).
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post #247 of 5602
9/7/08 at 1:02pm
Excellent, thanks for the info.

FS just posted these on their site in Canada so I should be picking up one of these this week. Can't wait!
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post #248 of 5602
9/7/08 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by dreamstate View Post

What does the 2809 do if you tell it you don't use a sub? Where does it, or can it divert the sub signal to other channels/speakers in a 5 or 7 speaker set up?

I currently have 2 pairs of IL50 with 10inch built in powered subs and attached my separate sub (10inch powered) to my IL36Center speaker for increased base on center channel audio. I currently use a HK AVR7000 and have my sub set to NO, and the base was noticeably better in this configuration for all of my speakers, albeit I have no sub signal till I hook up a sub. I don't think I'll have enough cash for the next couple of months to buy a sub as I want to get some di poles and go to a 7 channel config first.

If the the subwoofer is turned off for 5.0 setup like mine, and some speakers are detected to be large during Audyssey calibration then you will have no shortage of bass my friend. Played Live Free or Die Hard last night and it was awesome as far as bass output, like when the natural gas power plant blew up.
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post #249 of 5602
9/7/08 at 4:01pm
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Originally Posted by dreamstate View Post

What does the 2809 do if you tell it you don't use a sub? Where does it, or can it divert the sub signal to other channels/speakers in a 5 or 7 speaker set up?

I currently have 2 pairs of IL50 with 10inch built in powered subs and attached my separate sub (10inch powered) to my IL36Center speaker for increased base on center channel audio. I currently use a HK AVR7000 and have my sub set to NO, and the base was noticeably better in this configuration for all of my speakers, albeit I have no sub signal till I hook up a sub. I don't think I'll have enough cash for the next couple of months to buy a sub as I want to get some di poles and go to a 7 channel config first.

I'm not running a sub right now, Audyssey detected as such during the auto-setup, and set the crossover to send all the low-pass to my fronts, which have dual 10" woofers in each. There's no shortage of bass. You don't even have to "tell it" there's no sub in the system, it'll figure it out all on its own.
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post #250 of 5602
9/7/08 at 11:58pm
hey guys, a new 2809 owner here, went to this receiver from onkyo 606
anyways my question is, is there a way to adjust the speaker levels, it sets all my speaker levels in the negatives db, like - 3.0 db, - 9.0 db, ect. on my onkyo, i was able to go in and adjust it one by one if i wanted, on the denon, when i go to that menu, it says auto tone and such so i couldnt find it...

btw, anyone know anyone who wants a onkyo 606 for good price, let me kno!
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post #251 of 5602
9/8/08 at 9:38am
You can't adjust the speaker levels in the AUTO SETUP menu, you can review what Audyssey set for you but to make any changes yourself you have to go in to MANUAL SETUP. Go to MANUAL SETUP, then SPEAKER SETUP, and now you have all the options to tweak your speaker settings (distance, size, crossover, etc) from what Audyssey selected.

Scroll down to 4. CHANNEL LEVEL and then you can start the test tones, either auto (cycles continuously through all the channels) or manual (you choose which channel you want to output the test tone manually). Here you can balance the channel trims manually.

As a side note, you should do some research in the Audyssey thread. One reason Audyssey may be setting your levels so low is that your subwoofer's volume may be too low, so the auto setup is dialing down your other levels to balance everything. Try upping the sub's volume a bit (on the sub itself, not in the receiver) and re-running Audyssey, see if that helps.
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post #252 of 5602
9/8/08 at 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

You can't adjust the speaker levels in the AUTO SETUP menu, you can review what Audyssey set for you but to make any changes yourself you have to go in to MANUAL SETUP. Go to MANUAL SETUP, then SPEAKER SETUP, and now you have all the options to tweak your speaker settings (distance, size, crossover, etc) from what Audyssey selected.

Scroll down to 4. CHANNEL LEVEL and then you can start the test tones, either auto (cycles continuously through all the channels) or manual (you choose which channel you want to output the test tone manually). Here you can balance the channel trims manually.

As a side note, you should do some research in the Audyssey thread. One reason Audyssey may be setting your levels so low is that your subwoofer's volume may be too low, so the auto setup is dialing down your other levels to balance everything. Try upping the sub's volume a bit (on the sub itself, not in the receiver) and re-running Audyssey, see if that helps.

thanks, i was able to find out how to adjust each at 2 in the morning and making lots of noise haha
i thought Audyssey puts it so low because the size of the room, i usually like to keep everything at 0, which i did with the onkyo too, so thats what i changed it to as of now
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post #253 of 5602
9/8/08 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

Just a FYI but if you needed to correct some software problems by a installing an new firmware release on a AVR-2809 then you would just use a laptop connected to the RS-232 port to update the firmware from the file you got from Denon internet site.

What is an RS-232 port?

Joking aside, any recent laptop won't have this type of port. For those people, search for a USB to serial adapter.

Here's a search to get you started:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=usb+serial
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post #254 of 5602
9/9/08 at 1:33am
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Cool Components - 2008

Actually my 2809 runs pretty cool as long as I give it adequate air flow in the cabinet.
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post #255 of 5602
9/9/08 at 7:32am
Can someone tell me what the speaker terminal spacing is? Will they accept the double bananna plug or do I have to get the single ones instead? Still waiting on mine and would like to have everything wired and ready.
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post #256 of 5602
9/9/08 at 7:56am
Duel banana's are a no go, you'll have to get some singles.
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post #257 of 5602
9/9/08 at 8:02am
Thanks, That was what I was affraid of.
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post #258 of 5602
9/9/08 at 3:31pm
A few questions:

When using a PS3 does the Audyssey work with MPCM? What is the release date for the 989? I haven't seen any anywhere online or in stores. Pre-order on Amazon shows 3 to 6 weeks.
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post #259 of 5602
9/9/08 at 3:50pm
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Cool Components - 2008

Actually my 2809 runs pretty cool as long as I give it adequate air flow in the cabinet.

looks like my 3808
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post #260 of 5602
9/9/08 at 4:20pm
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Originally Posted by 1MaNArmY View Post

looks like my 3808

but without any known issues, and I am enjoying Dynamic Volume and EQ for the last month!
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post #261 of 5602
9/9/08 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by Bachelor View Post

A few questions:

When using a PS3 does the Audyssey work with MPCM? What is the release date for the 989? I haven't seen any anywhere online or in stores. Pre-order on Amazon shows 3 to 6 weeks.

Yes Audyssey works with MPCM. I saw the 989 at Fry's Palo Alto last Sunday, so its already out there. Since this is the mass market model, should see some better discounting in future. Slightly difference appearance (faceplate and some buttons)
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post #262 of 5602
9/9/08 at 8:38pm
I plan on buying this receiver, but I could use some help with the multi-zone feature. I'm not completely sure it will work for my needs.

My living room will take the main 7.1 channels in zone 1. I would like to use zone 2 for a stereo speaker (2 channel) setup in my master bathroom in the morning to listen to AM/FM/XM radio. Ideally I would like to be able to remotely change the band and the channels from the bathroom. I have two speaker wires and one Ethernet wire going to a low voltage wall box in the bathroom to the location of the future receiver.

Here is what I have:
- Cat5e running from the receiver to a low voltage wall box (I was hoping to use this for IR distribution or RS-232 commands,...?)
- Two audio cables from the receiver to the same low voltage wall box, and then these two audio cables go to the speakers in the master bathroom ceiling.

Questions:
1) Is there a wall unit that will remotely control sources [AM/FM/XM], control channels [AM/FM], control volume, and power On/Off for this Denon receiver? I would rather not tape the second remote control to the wall of the bathroom. Similar wall controlls can be found at smarthome.com, but I am not sure if they will work.
2) How would you wire the control of such a wall unit to this receiver? IR or RS-232 or is there another way?
3) Can I setup multi-zone without turning on the first zone, and only hearing audio in the morning through zone 2? Don't want to be blasting the audio downstairs in zone 1 without knowing it.
4) Am I missing hardware in this setup? If so, what?
5) Is there an easier way to accomplish this without hanging a cheap AM/FM radio from the shower head?

Thank you in advance.

Matt
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post #263 of 5602
9/9/08 at 9:47pm
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

but without any known issues, and I am enjoying Dynamic Volume and EQ for the last month!

I know, I figured I could live without it for now, I don't know what I'm missing anyway. Thanks again for all of help.
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post #264 of 5602
9/9/08 at 10:46pm
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Originally Posted by macrow1969 View Post

I plan on buying this receiver, but I could use some help with the multi-zone feature. I'm not completely sure it will work for my needs.

My living room will take the main 7.1 channels in zone 1. I would like to use zone 2 for a stereo speaker (2 channel) setup in my master bathroom in the morning to listen to AM/FM/XM radio. Ideally I would like to be able to remotely change the band and the channels from the bathroom. I have two speaker wires and one Ethernet wire going to a low voltage wall box in the bathroom to the location of the future receiver.

Here is what I have:
- Cat5e running from the receiver to a low voltage wall box (I was hoping to use this for IR distribution or RS-232 commands,...?)
- Two audio cables from the receiver to the same low voltage wall box, and then these two audio cables go to the speakers in the master bathroom ceiling.

Questions:
1) Is there a wall unit that will remotely control sources [AM/FM/XM], control channels [AM/FM], control volume, and power On/Off for this Denon receiver? I would rather not tape the second remote control to the wall of the bathroom. Similar wall controlls can be found at smarthome.com, but I am not sure if they will work.
2) How would you wire the control of such a wall unit to this receiver? IR or RS-232 or is there another way?
3) Can I setup multi-zone without turning on the first zone, and only hearing audio in the morning through zone 2? Don't want to be blasting the audio downstairs in zone 1 without knowing it.
4) Am I missing hardware in this setup? If so, what?
5) Is there an easier way to accomplish this without hanging a cheap AM/FM radio from the shower head?

Thank you in advance.

Matt

Very interesting topic.

See RC-7001RC1 base station and RC-7000CI remote as one method to manage Denon receivers with RS-232C serial ports. Either IR or RF is available on the remote.

The 2809's RS-232 port can be used by a external controller or 2-way remote control when connected. So base station connected to receiver by RS-232 and then use RF remote to talk to base.

If zone 1 is your primary 7.1 speaker setup, then you can run the zone 2 pre-outputs to a separate 2 channel power amp for your master bathroom. See pages 67 thru 69 of users manual. I would think you be able to only enable zone 2, with zone 1 inactive as required as evidenced by 2nd small remote.

"without hanging a cheap AM/FM radio from the shower head?"
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post #265 of 5602
9/10/08 at 4:20am
I am thinking about getting a 2809CI ... is this a good unit for a newbie? I'm also getting speakers & a blu-ray. For the speakers I was thinking about Infinity's TSS 1200's. Is this potential setup over kill for a new person?
I am sort of tech savy being a computer programmer .. so pushing buttons is a speciality.
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post #266 of 5602
9/10/08 at 8:55am
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I am thinking about getting a 2809CI ... is this a good unit for a newbie? I'm also getting speakers & a blu-ray. For the speakers I was thinking about Infinity's TSS 1200's. Is this potential setup over kill for a new person?
I am sort of tech savy being a computer programmer .. so pushing buttons is a speciality.

Starting with the Denon 1909 you have full featured receivers from Denon that are all quite flexible for home theater setups including Blu-Ray usage. The Infinity TSS 1200 system doesn't present you with much speaker punch/impact as the satellite and center speakers only respond down to 120 hz which IMHO is lousy even though you have a sub-woofer with a decent 3 db response down to 29 hz. I really audition some speaker separates and put together a better speaker system if I were you to get the most out of your receiver. I would look for rear satellite speakers that were 8 ohm with a response down to 50 hz, same for center speaker, and front speakers that go below 40 hz, and the sub-woofer is optional.

Depending on how much you want to spend each receiver, the 1909, 2309, 2809, 3808, 4308 all offer increasing strengths and capabilities. The 2809 is kinda the sweet spot as it offers pre-amp outputs, MultiEQ XT, better remote, and enough power and inputs to form a nice audio package for the house for years to come.

Start by going to multiple audio show rooms and listening to various speaker systems driven by Denon's to discover what would really please you.
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post #267 of 5602
9/10/08 at 9:57am
Thanks John .... I will scope out a few local places to listen to speakers ....
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post #268 of 5602
9/10/08 at 10:16am
Jerry - all of the Denons are fairly complex to set up with all the new video options and the horribly written manuals, but if you are tech savvy and take the time to understand the newest audio/video format options it's really not that hard.

In terms of Denon AVR's, as John says 1909 and up gets you full feature support. You just need to determine which features are important to you as you step up the chain and also step up your budget $$$

For John, the sweet spot is 2809ci, for you it may be different.

(summarizing and leaving out some specific details)
1909/789 > 2309/889 gets you a fourth HDMI input, phono input...
2309/889 > 2809/989 gets you pre-outs, greater input/output flexibility, and MultEQ XT instead of the regular version
2809/989 > 3808ci gets you networking, fancy GUI, and other high-end features.

Check out the "2809 or 3808" thread, and there are comparisons scattered throughout the 1909/789 and 2309/889 owners threads.
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post #269 of 5602
9/10/08 at 11:06am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

For John, the sweet spot is 2809ci, for you it may be different.

A sweet spot is a place, often numerical as opposed to physical, where a combination of factors suggest a particularly suitable solution. In this regard the AVR-2809CI functionality, ample power, multi-zone, and expansion capabilities by connecting other equipment (external power amplifiers, networking-internet radio, remote control, HD radio, satellite radio-Sirius/XM) pretty much allow it to be a very good nexus for you home audio setup.

BTW you have a 2807 which also was a very attractive receiver by previous reviews.
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post #270 of 5602
9/10/08 at 11:12am
actually I have a 2307ci.... but point taken!

I may swap up to a 2807 if I can find a cheap deal on a used one so I can get Audyssey MultEQ, while I bide my time waiting for a 1909 or 889 to drop into my budget range this time next year....
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