"Official" Denon AVR 2809CI/989 Thread - Page 104

Good point, jd and I was going to include a reminder to listen for clipping/overdriving but somehow left it off.




The Bachs have 90 dB sensitivity which is not bad. BTW, they're on sale for Memorial day at BB for $1200. Let us know how it turns out, Benny.

Ah, curious little fingers. When all is said and done, you may want to use "Setup Lock" p 34.
Again, to be precise, and we do grade on spelling, Audyssey MultEQ XT is on when you select one of the 3 Audyssey settings (Audyssey, Byp L/R or AudysseyFlat) and the "AudysseyMultEQ XT" logo lights on the FP Display. (If you make any changes to MultEQ manually, the box around the logo disappears.) That is the room correction curve; it is switched using the "EQ" button p45.
DynEQ is switched seperately, using the "DynEQ" button p46->red light. and if on, DynVol can be selected as well->green light. I take it from your response that you had a green light before. If so, the tone control only works if DynEQ is off, so that was not the problem.
Check this:
Under "Parameter"-> "Restorer", it should be Off-that can increase bassiness.
Also under "Parameter"-> Sound Parameter, make sure 2. "Cinema EQ"=Off-that can cut highs, making it sound bassy

Then check the Auto Setup->Parameter check and write down all your settings. Your original autosetup settings can be reset using "Restore".

Bennyz ---

As is generally the case, if space and budget are no issue, and based on the not to complimentary review I read of the Haydn Grand (realizing you're speaking of the original vice the Grand), you would be much better served by skipping the Haydn demo and most likely be more impressed with what the 2809 can do (at moderate volume levels of course) with what you really want ... the Bach Grands (especially at $1200 or less). Although keep in mind, unless you're just considering them for music only, you'll also want to match them with a VA center as well to ensure a proper balance. Although it's debatable, some would argue that your rears should also be VA for proper timbre matching all the way around (expensive proposition to be sure though). And when you can add the dedicated amp, you'll enjoy the Bach Grands even more!

Hi Twalkman,

After reading your mention of a possible toddler on the loose' situation in your room, another possibility comes to mind As well as remote buttons which may have been pushed, is there a rotary gain control at the back of the Sub which little fingers may have decided to have a play with?

Regards

Good point, that was the first thing I thought if, but then he said it was still too bassy with the sub off!

This quote by Jim Hef would indicate otherwise ...

Hey fellas, thought i was registered here before but i guess not. I follow these forums quite a bit maybe i had to reregister anyway... I just got the 2809ci, had it about 4 days now. I really wonder if i made the right purchase just wanted to see how some of u other owners use the reciever or deal with some things. First off when i want to listen to the fm radio i cannot have any hdmi source be displayed on my plasma. (All my sources are hdmi or component) Also i was wondering just to change a specifict parameter in a surround mode, like prologic 2 cinema or music i must go into the menu? my oooold reciever would let me hold down the button and it would scroll through the modes. Just wonderin what other owners thought of these things. I'd really like to chit chat with some other owners about this receiver. Thanx guys

the two things you complain about (not being to mix audio + hdmi video from different sources, and needing to use the OSD menus to change specific parameters) are facts of life for essentially ANY modern receiver.

only you can answer the question of whether you made the right purchase . do you like the way it sounds or not? does it have the features you need or not?

Thanx for the reply. I wondered if any other avr was able to do the audio mixing or video select with hdmi and other sources, good to know its not just the denon. So far yes id say i like the sound, features are great. I have to admit i went from a really old Aiwa 5.1 receiver rated at 80wpc with virtually no features to this and i was expecting it to sound quite a bit more powerful, however i dont think it does. I feel like i have to crank the denon's volume high to get up there and at one point i actually had it ALL the way to +18, and with my little sats (polk RM-8 and RM-7 rears)i thought id get some distortion throwing that much power to them. I have read about the volume control being no linear or somethin on here so im not to concerned about the volume setting. I guess i just expected this to have way more of a punch than my olllld aiwa.

There is an easy work around to accomplish this ... play the tuner in Zone 2 and either have a set of zone 2 speakers in the same room or use a set of wireless headphones. Either will get you the tuner while watching video from and HDMI source in the Main zone.


Not at all. Simply press the STD icon on the LCD display on the 2809 remote and it will cycle through those settings just as your old receiver remote did.


Not surprising considering you've got small sat sized speakers which are fairly inefficient at only 89db. Also there is very little change in volume from 0 to +18 due to the amount of power required at that volume.

I wanna thank you guys very much for actually replying!! Means a lot ive been to many other forums where they absolutely ignore you like your not even a registered user! The longer i have this unit and the more i play with it the more i'm liking it... So much different than my old receiver. This might seem off topic but im wondering if its the receiver or something else. Do any of you happen to still watch HD-DVD discs at all? I bought a Toshiba HD-A3 awhile back and up until now have been using the optical out on it for sound. I happen to notice when switching from the dolby digital plus english sountrack (1.5mbps) to one of the other languages dolby digital plus (french maybe? 640kbps) The other languages sound a LOT beefier than the english one, the player is doing the decoding as the a3 cannot bitstream over hdmi. Now that i think of it using optical to my old receiver it did the same thing so i dont know. Any ideas as to why the lower bitrate soundtrack would sound beefier? Maybe the player?

I'm wondering if there is a difference between the Dacs.I noticed the 3808 has different Dacs then the 2809.Will I notice the difference? Thanks for the replys.

I do on a Xbox-360. Just watched "The Shining" the other day. I bought it for something like $8. Hard to resist when the Blue Ray disc's are triple the price.

Chris

A case of the "did I buy the right one" jitters? As you have pretty decent speakers I think you will really appreciate what the the 2809 can do for those DefTecs-no problem there. My guess is that the better your speakers are the more you'd be able to differentiate it, but your question about actually hearing a significant difference with yours is a good one. Clearly the 3808 is superior in many aspects including DAC's. If a 3808 is affordable for you (how much are 2809 and 3808 going for this week??) and you're up for a far more complex unit, it should be in the running.

You could try asking in the 3808 thread; here's a post by a guy who did the switch, but I think it was for the GUI not SQ:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post16413747

Thanks.I got a good deal on it.$775.00 including shipping.Can't go much higher then that.I think I'll be happy.I have the OPPO 980 and will soon get their Blu-ray player.This Denon should be a great replacement for my Denon AVR1800.

Quick question:

I had some professional setup my HT. The PS3 plays everything except 1080p?

Whats up??? mY tv is 1080p. Any ideas????

PS3 plays 480p, 1080i, but not 1080p on my tv????

PS. He installed a hdmi 1.3 splitter for tv and projetor.

Any ideas are welcome. I tried everything.

I have been having a lot of issues with hdmi splitters (I call them hdmi distribution amps) and the PS3 running to various devices in my house. Without getting into a lot of detail (will post on this topic in detail soon), I have a suggestion. I assume you are doing switching through the Denon? If so, then turn on the HDMI active in standby mode feature on the 2809. Then test the behavior of the TV and the projector going through the distribution amp with the receiver on and in standby mode. In my case the 2809 actually improved the handshaking going through the distribution amp by putting the receiver in standby mode (and having the hdmi circuits active). I do have some restrictions about having both devices on at the same time which may be a problem for you. In my case, it's a different room. Anyway, test this out, ok!

In general, I have found the hdmi distribution amps to be very, very tricky. Sometimes they appear to work and then manifest different issues later. Sometimes it's video issues, sometimes it's audio issues.

Chris

I have both the 980H and the new BluRay player, and combined with the Denon I'm having a great time enjoying music and videos again. I'm running strictly into the -83 with the HDMI cable, and having no problems throwing anything at the Denon. The combination is really very nice.

I'm certainly no professional so try not to muck around with settings too much. I left all PS3 settings on AUTO or the default and the PS3 put out 1080p without any issues. But then I used HDMI into the Denon. Are you? If not, and you are using component, then you cannot send 1080p to your TV unless you use component to the TV as well.

I want to know if the projector takes 1080p inputs. since the HDMI signal is split to PJ and his TV, the max resolution will be limited by the "lowest common denominator".

cpete, do u happen to have the transformers HD-DVD?

Yes.

Awesome, i dont know if u seen the post where i asked about the different Dolby Digital Plus soundtracks on it, but i was wonderin if i was the only one hearing the french and spanish tracks sounding "better". The english is supposed to be 1.5mbps and the french and spanish 640kbps. However when i switch from the english to either the french or spanish it sounds the same as switching from a dolby digital to a dts track on a regular dvd. Its night and day. Just wondering if u had noticed or could check it out.

I have a Toshiba HDDVD hooked up thru HDMI, 2809 shows Multi Ch In. It is difficult to A/B restarting from the beginning each time, but my impression is that the English 5.1 DD Plus Transformers soundtrack sounds just as kick-ass as the Fr or Sp. I can almost imagine it is slightly quieter but it has all the dynamics and detail for sure. What's funny is the running gag about the Spanish-speaking bilingual soldier becomes something like "Hable español, nosotros no hablamos inglés." ("Speak Spanish, dude, we don't speak Engish.")
Geeze, I love the HD codecs.

JustenTroxell ,

First of all I want to thank you for making me go back and listen to this soundtrack again. Yes, it is kick-ass. I just tested the 3 soundtracks back to back to back. All three sounded virtually identical to me. It did seem to me that the English track had better low-end. I do have a Velodyne DD-15 and near full-range fronts, so the system does resolve the low-end. One thing that was clear was that the English track was in no way inferior to the other tracks. I didn't hear any volume changes either.

So no, I didn't hear anything like a difference between DTS and DD between tracks. It must be something in your setup.

Cheers, Chris

OK, so I have been going back and forth between the 3808, 2809 and 1910. Luckily the BB Magnolia near where I am had all of them except it had the 1909 instead of 1910 (I feel the 1909 would sound very similar to the 1910.) I tried to size them with speakers similar to ones in my HT and I could tell a difference between the 1909 and the 2809. However, I couldn't tell any difference between the 2809 and the 3808. I also can use my PS3 to connect to my computer for MP3's and internet radio and play it through the 2809. This is true, correct?

Now, for my all important question, I have seen people get the 2809 for discounts. I'm trying to see where people have seen these great prices. The cheapest I have found is identical or within $50 to the 3808 which makes me second guess my decision. Can someone PM me or reply on where they're seeing these great deals?

Thanks in advance

Hmm i dont know, as the poster before you said, i also have a Toshiba hd dvd and the 2809 shows multi ch in. I notice the other tracks are definately louder, but maybe not any better, i dont know. I do notice quite the difference tho.Transformers does sound awesome regardless, however!!!

Yes, you can play mp3's on the ps3, and you can use upnp streaming for movie watching (I use Mediatomb from a linux box in another room of the house, there are other upnp solutions for windows and mac). For music, however, I use my Apple Airport Express' optical out into the 2809 and stream the music over airtunes. iTunes supports Airtunes natively. Also, you can use Airfoil on mac / pc to stream non-iTunes sources to the AE, such as Pandora or what have you. Typically I will queue up some music with my macbook and set the output to the living room speakers via the AE all over wireless. It's a surprisingly elegant solution considering an AE is only $100 from the apple store and I found one on ebay for considerably less.

Nathan