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post #3301 of 5602
6/14/09 at 11:23am
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Originally Posted by BRAISKI View Post

Question about the DTS HD

I have the T2 Skynet edition and I tried to play DTS HD Master Audio and it seems that its not sending a DTS signal to the AVR, I mean the DTS light doesnt light on and its not playing. I also tried playing Quantum of Solace and the DTS indicator doesnt light one as well. Am I missing something?

Make sure you have the BDP-S360 set to "bitsream" the DTS HD-MA, as well has having the DTS HD-MA track selected on the BD, otherwise the S360 will decode it and send it PCM to the Denon and therefore "no light".

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Originally Posted by BRAISKI View Post

Also what is 48kHz/16bit PCM vs 96kHz/24bit PCM?

1. Recording at 96kHz/24bit yields greatly increased audio resolution-over 250 times that at 48kHz/16.

2. Recording at 96kHz/24 bit takes up roughly 3 1/4 times the space than recording at 48kHz/16.


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One other thing: it seems that one needs at least a master's degree to master the remote control. I have never seen such a complex unit. Even after carefully reading the manual for the functions I use, I still had problems at first. Now, after two months, I seem to be getting the "hang" of it.

Although it takes a little getting used to using the 2809 remote, IMHO using the basic commands of the 2809 remote is much more intuitive then having to figure out which button on which side of the 1909 you have to use. And as you say, once you've used it for awhile it starts making more sense. For tips on using the System Call feature you can read more here.
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post #3302 of 5602
6/14/09 at 6:46pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Make sure you have the BDP-S360 set to "bitsream" the DTS HD-MA, as well has having the DTS HD-MA track selected on the BD, otherwise the S360 will decode it and send it PCM to the Denon and therefore "no light".



1. Recording at 96kHz/24bit yields greatly increased audio resolution-over 250 times that at 48kHz/16.

2. Recording at 96kHz/24 bit takes up roughly 3 1/4 times the space than recording at 48kHz/16.


I was searching for "bitstream" but there wasn't a setting however I finally found it under BD Audio Setting as "Direct"

I like the "blue HD" light

So I take it not a lot of movies are recorded @ 96kHz/24bit?
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post #3303 of 5602
6/15/09 at 8:52am
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Originally Posted by BRAISKI View Post

...So I take it not a lot of movies are recorded @ 96kHz/24bit?

Not many jackets give that information, however, mostly they are 48kHz/24bit.
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post #3304 of 5602
6/15/09 at 9:11am
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Originally Posted by BRAISKI View Post

So I take it not a lot of movies are recorded @ 96kHz/24bit?

Due to the file size requirements, 48khz/16 is used on CDs and DVDs and 96khz/24 is used on Blu Ray 50 GB BDs. A 90 minute movie would require about 30 GB just for the audio track alone!
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post #3305 of 5602
6/15/09 at 9:28am
I thought that, while DTS-MA/DDTrueHD can support up to 96/24, the vast majority of Blu-Rays and HD DVD's were actually 48/24? I could be wrong about that, but I had always read that there were very few BD's (mostly concerts) recorded at 96/24...
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post #3306 of 5602
6/15/09 at 10:29am
John Mayer - Where the Light is (Live in Los Angeles) is one example of a 96/24 Blue Ray. And it's clearly marked on the cover. It's the only one I have in my collection.

It's labeled -

pcm (uncompressed) stereo (96khz/24 bit)
dolby truehd 5.1 surround (96 khz/24 bit)
includes dolby digital 5.1 surround (640 kbps)

Chris
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post #3307 of 5602
6/15/09 at 11:21am
Do any of the 2809/989 owners here feel like they are missing anything by "only" having a black and white text OSD?

Or is it the case (except for volume display) that you use the OSD once during initial setup and then hardly ever, so like who cares?
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post #3308 of 5602
6/15/09 at 11:39am
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Or is it the case (except for volume display) that you use the OSD once during initial setup and then hardly ever, so like who cares?

That's a fair assesment.

Chris
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post #3309 of 5602
6/15/09 at 12:01pm
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Originally Posted by ings View Post

Do any of the 2809/989 owners here feel like they are missing anything by "only" having a black and white text OSD?

Or is it the case (except for volume display) that you use the OSD once during initial setup and then hardly ever, so like who cares?

After initial setup of 2809, it very rare to utilize the OSD. I really could care less about seeing the volume indication across my HDTV display also.

If you used the Denon iPod adapter, it has its own graphic OSD for management of audio and video files, as well as supporting internet radio. They do have the ASD-51W ($299.99) and ASD-51N ($249.99) network-enabled iPod docks, both shipping in August. Both items also allow for Rhapsody streaming, Internet Radio streaming and Napster support. Check out some more info at this link.
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post #3310 of 5602
6/15/09 at 12:18pm
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

...I really could care less about seeing the volume indication across my HDTV display also....

That's actually one feature that I really miss with this unit. It's been a long time since this was omitted from any product that I've owned, and I sit a bit too far from the receiver to view the small volume display correctly.
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post #3311 of 5602
6/15/09 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by Jim Hef View Post

That's actually one feature that I really miss with this unit. It's been a long time since this was omitted from any product that I've owned, and I sit a bit too far from the receiver to view the small volume display correctly.

Same here....
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post #3312 of 5602
6/15/09 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by Jim Hef View Post

That's actually one feature that I really miss with this unit. It's been a long time since this was omitted from any product that I've owned, and I sit a bit too far from the receiver to view the small volume display correctly.

Ahhh, I only sit back 12-13 feet.

This OSD only shows that feature if you doing analog - >HDMI upconversion. Since no such feature exists HDMI - > HDMI I understand. I wonder if you had a PC laptop connected to 2809 via RS-232 and seeing the CI interface would allow you to also view volume level?
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post #3313 of 5602
6/15/09 at 12:48pm
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Originally Posted by ings View Post

Do any of the 2809/989 owners here feel like they are missing anything by "only" having a black and white text OSD?

WHAT? OTHER AVR's HAVE COLOR?!
Seriously, though, nobody sees it but me, and I don't see it except when I want to tweak which is not often anymore. Damn thing just sounds so good.
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post #3314 of 5602
6/15/09 at 3:48pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I thought that, while DTS-MA/DDTrueHD can support up to 96/24, the vast majority of Blu-Rays and HD DVD's were actually 48/24? I could be wrong about that, but I had always read that there were very few BD's (mostly concerts) recorded at 96/24...

Correct. I was merely stating that due to the HUGE file memory requirement, the only place you'd find a 96/24 audio track for a movie is on a BD (rather than on a DVD) and NOT that every BD had 96/24 audio tracks.
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post #3315 of 5602
6/15/09 at 3:52pm
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

Ahhh, I only sit back 12-13 feet.

+1
I only sit back 11' and have no problem seeing the volume level on the front panel display. And although I would certainly prefer a real GUI (especially in this day and age), I have no issue reading a black and white text based OSD as it provides the information I need to make any necessary changes.
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post #3316 of 5602
6/15/09 at 4:30pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I thought that, while DTS-MA/DDTrueHD can support up to 96/24, the vast majority of Blu-Rays and HD DVD's were actually 48/24? I could be wrong about that, but I had always read that there were very few BD's (mostly concerts) recorded at 96/24...

The vast majority are actually 48kHz and 16-bit, which is a shame.

Some studios, like Disney, are regularly putting out more 24-bit titles.

As for 96/24, I know there's Baraka, Chronos and a handful of others.


Anyone know where there's a complete listing of all the 24-bit, 96/24, 192kHz, etc titles ?
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post #3317 of 5602
6/16/09 at 5:56am
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Originally Posted by Electric_Haggis View Post

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Anyone know where there's a complete listing of all the 24-bit, 96/24, 192kHz, etc titles ?

This one comes pretty close, but obviously, you'd need to have someone constantly updating it:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1155731
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post #3318 of 5602
6/16/09 at 1:29pm
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Originally Posted by Jim Hef View Post

This one comes pretty close, but obviously, you'd need to have someone constantly updating it:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1155731

Not sure if this one adds anything but....

http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/TechStats.php
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post #3319 of 5602
6/17/09 at 5:54pm
Hey everyone, I own the 2809ci and I just bought a wii today. I will be getting a component video cable in the mail either tomorrow or the next day. The component cable of course has 3 connectors for video (red, white, green) and two for audio (red and white) Is that all I need for my home theater or do I need any more cables (RCA). How exactly do I hook this up? The rest of the home theater has been connected for over 6 months now.
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post #3320 of 5602
6/17/09 at 6:17pm
That should be all you'll need as the video will be converted to the HDMI output that you should already have connected to the TV.
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post #3321 of 5602
6/18/09 at 9:55pm
Anyone had any "popping" at all with the 2809ci? I just noticed tonight when i would channel surf certain channels would pop one time after the channel changed and the audio comes back up, right as the fornt left and right speaker indicators light on the input side. I investigated further and i noticed its only when it switches to a non dolby digital 2 channel source, pcm i guess. This is through hdmi. It happens when going from any dolby digital satellite channel, doesnt matter if its 2 channel or 5.1 to a 2 channel pcm. This is dish network, stb is a vip 622. To take it further i hooked up the optical from the stb and didnt get any popping when switching channels. Hoping this is just the dish box....
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post #3322 of 5602
6/18/09 at 10:39pm
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Anyone had any "popping" at all with the 2809ci? I just noticed tonight when i would channel surf certain channels would pop one time after the channel changed and the audio comes back up, right as the fornt left and right speaker indicators light on the input side. I investigated further and i noticed its only when it switches to a non dolby digital 2 channel source, pcm i guess. This is through hdmi. It happens when going from any dolby digital satellite channel, doesnt matter if its 2 channel or 5.1 to a 2 channel pcm. This is dish network, stb is a vip 622. To take it further i hooked up the optical from the stb and didnt get any popping when switching channels. Hoping this is just the dish box....

That is related to dish network signal. Lots of web chatter about this for both Dish and Direct TV.

Here's a related response to same question:

"Re: hdmi feedback to dish dvr reciever

I had that same problem with my cable and hdtv yesterday because I temporarily borrowed the component cables for another system.
When I reinstalled the cables I must have plugged it into the wrong outlet and it was popping everytime I changed channels. When I changed audio connections the noise went away"
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post #3323 of 5602
6/20/09 at 10:27pm
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Originally Posted by MSGUSA View Post

I owned the 2309CI for a few weeks before upgrading to the 2809CI. To my ears there is a noticable difference, especially with music. I believe the better quality sound is caused by several of the upgrades that you get over the 2309CI.

1. AL24 processing
2. Burr-Brown DACs (PCM-1791), (DSD-1608)
3. Audyssey MultEQ XT versus the 2309's Audyssey MultEQ
4. 2-21366 x 1 and 21367 x 1 32-bit Floating Point Processors versus the 2309's 1 - 21367 32-bit Floating Point Processor ( I don't know if this actually helps the sound quality, but two has got to be better than one)

The 2809CI has 15-watts per channel more than the 2309CI, but I don't really believe it would make a difference in what you hear.

I believe numbers 1 and 2 would make the greatest difference in sound quality that you could hear over the 2309CI. What is the opinion from you other 2809CI owners?

When I compared them I couldn't tell the difference (and no, XT does not have anything to do with quality, only a tad more precise and no, more computing/processing power generally has little to do with quality, it typically for the features eg applying advanced filters on compressed sources etc.)

PS: I know, old post but couldn't help - I was searching for something else when it came up...
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post #3324 of 5602
6/20/09 at 10:50pm
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Originally Posted by T2k View Post

When I compared them I couldn't tell the difference (and no, XT does not have anything to do with i[]quality[/i], only better a tad more precise and no, more computing power generally has little to do with quality, it typically for the features eg applying advanced filters on compressed sources etc.)

PS: I know, old post but couldn't help - I was searching for something else when it came up...

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Originally Posted by MSGUSA
I owned the 2309CI for a few weeks before upgrading to the 2809CI. To my ears there is a noticable difference, especially with music. I believe the better quality sound is caused by several of the upgrades that you get over the 2309CI.

1. AL24 processing
2. Burr-Brown DACs (PCM-1791), (DSD-1608)
3. Audyssey MultEQ XT versus the 2309's Audyssey MultEQ
4. 2-21366 x 1 and 21367 x 1 32-bit Floating Point Processors versus the 2309's 1 - 21367 32-bit Floating Point Processor ( I don't know if this actually helps the sound quality, but two has got to be better than one)

The 2809CI has 15-watts per channel more than the 2309CI, but I don't really believe it would make a difference in what you hear.

I believe numbers 1 and 2 would make the greatest difference in sound quality that you could hear over the 2309CI. What is the opinion from you other 2809CI owners?

I did the same, swopping out the 2309 for a 2809.
The processing power was significantly better.
I use the 2809 as a processor for HT, so I do not have much to say about it as a HT amp and I do not have any expectations of it as a stereo amp. It will perform IMO as the equivalent of a $2-300 stereo amp.

Cheers
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post #3325 of 5602
6/21/09 at 12:11am
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Originally Posted by petetherock View Post

I did the same, swopping out the 2309 for a 2809.
The processing power was significantly better.

Elaborate, please.
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post #3326 of 5602
6/21/09 at 3:00am
Simple, same movie, same speakers, better localisation, separation, effects, definition, clarity and immersion.
Easy to tell apart and many of my friends could too.
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Elaborate, please.
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post #3327 of 5602
6/21/09 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

That is related to dish network signal. Lots of web chatter about this for both Dish and Direct TV.

Here's a related response to same question:

"Re: hdmi feedback to dish dvr reciever

I had that same problem with my cable and hdtv yesterday because I temporarily borrowed the component cables for another system.
When I reinstalled the cables I must have plugged it into the wrong outlet and it was popping everytime I changed channels. When I changed audio connections the noise went away"


What is meant by feedback? I dont see how this persons problem is related to mine.
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post #3328 of 5602
6/21/09 at 4:02pm
I believe he's agreeing with you that your problem is with your Dish STB.
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post #3329 of 5602
6/21/09 at 4:35pm
Has any body been able to successfully connect a pc via hdmi and get picture and sound? I`ve tried the hdmi 3 and 4 ports with no luck. I figure it`s not possible or I`ve not set something correctly. Any imput?
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post #3330 of 5602
6/21/09 at 4:59pm
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Originally Posted by sleepyeddie View Post

Has any body been able to successfully connect a pc via hdmi and get picture and sound? I`ve tried the hdmi 3 and 4 ports with no luck. I figure it`s not possible or I`ve not set something correctly. Any imput?

Eddie, I have not, but I believe others have done so. While awaiting more informed answers, you could try: Search This Thread "HDMI+HTPC" for a sample of problems and solutions. The hefty 1909 thread is also a potentially good source of relevent info.
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