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post #5371 of 5668
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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Try resetting the microprocessor (p. 60) and see if that resolves the issue. Are you getting the surround icons on the right side of the display when playing DD/DTS 5.1 audio?

I cant get the reset to work. I do see the icons on the right side. The amplifier for those channels is not working. It detects the channels as indicated in the display.
post #5372 of 5668
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You need to press/hold the buttons indicated on p. 60 (under the front panel flap) while powering on the unit. Try unplugging the AVR for a few minutes before attempting the reset.
post #5373 of 5668
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Originally Posted by twalkman View Post

The toslink switch probably is an easier solution even if it does feed the rat nest.

After a bit more trial and error I found ...

1) The TV toslink headphone connection isn't practical because Denon specifies whether the TV 'OR' Receiver gets the HDMI audio output. To change from the speaker output to the TV headphone output would require menu changes -- Not Good.

2) My WD TV Live Hub also requires a setup option to specify whether the audio is output using HDMI or Toslink. This means if I'm watching a movie and want to switch to headphones I would have to exit the move, go into WD setup, make the changes & resume the movie. And then undo it all when I'm ready to go back to speakers -- Bad.

I've been pursuing this because I want to get 5.1 capability using my headphones but the hassle factor is so high I may be forced to just use the headphone jack on the front of the 2809 for the convenience.


* Is there a way to more easily change between receiver and TV audio output, or a switch that will output Toslink and HDMI audio at the same time?
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Not really sure where to post this, but I swapped a new Panasonic bluray player into my setup to compare to my old fat 80gb PS3. Set the Panny
BDT-110 to bitstream and was underwhelmed?? The bass, and over all sound, was not as strong as the ps3. The AVR flashed a dialnorm -4 when the disc spun up on the Panny. Had to raise the volume 10db for it to be comparable. Seems really odd to me? I am assuming I need to change a setting somewhere? I do run Dynamic EQ on my Denon 2809 but have not changed any settings switching from the PCM PS3 to the Panny on Bitstream.

Not sure if this is a "normal" PCM vs Bistream thing, or if I am missing a setting somwhere?
post #5376 of 5668
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Originally Posted by GoCaboNow View Post

Not really sure where to post this, but I swapped a new Panasonic bluray player into my setup to compare to my old fat 80gb PS3. Set the Panny
BDT-110 to bitstream and was underwhelmed?? The bass, and over all sound, was not as strong as the ps3. The AVR flashed a dialnorm -4 when the disc spun up on the Panny. Had to raise the volume 10db for it to be comparable. Seems really odd to me? I am assuming I need to change a setting somewhere? I do run Dynamic EQ on my Denon 2809 but have not changed any settings switching from the PCM PS3 to the Panny on Bitstream.

Not sure if this is a "normal" PCM vs Bistream thing, or if I am missing a setting somwhere?

Interesting - since I have the same setup: 2809/BDT 110, and haven't noticed any difference in volume since I swapped out an older JVC BD player for the Panny. You might want to make sure your HDMI cable connections are secure, but I assume you are getting audio & video out of the 110? I'm not familiar with the PS3 - but perhaps it had a setting for some internal volume/eq boosting not found on the Panny. I have my 110 set to bitstream, and as I recall there aren't that many audio settings on the 110 - hope you can solve the puzzle.

Very impressive looking Home Theater!!!
post #5377 of 5668
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No .. not normal as although there should be a volume difference, it should be the other way around ... the bitstream audio is generally as much as 10db louder than the PCM audio.
post #5378 of 5668
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Originally Posted by ggsantafe View Post

Interesting - since I have the same setup: 2809/BDT 110, and haven't noticed any difference in volume since I swapped out an older JVC BD player for the Panny. You might want to make sure your HDMI cable connections are secure, but I assume you are getting audio & video out of the 110? I'm not familiar with the PS3 - but perhaps it had a setting for some internal volume/eq boosting not found on the Panny. I have my 110 set to bitstream, and as I recall there aren't that many audio settings on the 110 - hope you can solve the puzzle.

Very impressive looking Home Theater!!!

Thank you

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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No .. not normal as although there should be a volume difference, it should be the other way around ... the bitstream audio is generally as much as 10db louder than the PCM audio.

That is why I am a little befuddled by this? I play a few reference scenes on the PS3 then merely took the hdmi from the PS3 and slide to the Panny and play the same scenes and it is lower. It has to be some setup issue in there somewhere...
post #5379 of 5668
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What does the AVR's front panel display read with each connection?
post #5380 of 5668
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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No .. not normal as although there should be a volume difference, it should be the other way around ... the bitstream audio is generally as much as 10db louder than the PCM audio.

hmm, really? I always though the PCM was louder because when the player decoded you lost the dialnorm info... but I could be totally wrong.
post #5381 of 5668
^^^ @ GoCaboNow -

There are a lot of variables still at play...

1) is Dyn Vol on for one input but not the other?
2) is any compression setting (e.g. DRC, "dialogue lift", etc) enabled in either the PS3 or the new BDP? Sometimes these things are on or on "auto" by default.
3) Is the PS3 volume (it has its own volume control) set at the middle position? You can hit the triangle menu to call up the a/v options while watching a movie in the PS3.
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I have been contemplating going 7.1 or 6.1
Can this receiver do 6.1? I didn't see an output for rear center, so how would I hook it up via RCA's. I am looking at getting the powered QSC K8's for surrounds and rear center, and because of the extremely wide dispersion from the wave guide it would be hardly noticeable at all between 7.1 and 6.1 since my rear wall is nearly 20 feet back from the seating area.
post #5383 of 5668
as indicated on pg 10 of the manual, when running with 1 surr.back speaker connect to the LEFT jack.
post #5384 of 5668
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Originally Posted by superedge88 View Post

... since my rear wall is nearly 20 feet back from the seating area.

Also note that the "rear" speakers are ideally placed only 3-4' behind the seating area, so 20' is likely not going to add much. At the very least ensure the "side" surrounds are placed to the sides of your seating area and not on that back wall as well.
post #5385 of 5668
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Also note that the "rear" speakers are ideally placed only 3-4' behind the seating area, so 20' is likely not going to add much. At the very least ensure the "side" surrounds are placed to the sides of your seating area and not on that back wall as well.

No regular speakers should be in 3' from listener. You need specialized near field monitors to get proper sound. Normal distance starts from 6-8 feet. But 20 feet is still too far. Rear speakers shouldn't be farther than front ones.
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This is no normal theater, fronts will be 15-20 feet from main listening position. Thanks for trying to help though.
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That's pushing the max seating distance as well ... even with a 120" screen the max recommended distance is 15'.
post #5388 of 5668
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Originally Posted by twalkman View Post

After a bit more trial and error I found ...

1) The TV toslink headphone connection isn't practical because Denon specifies whether the TV 'OR' Receiver gets the HDMI audio output. To change from the speaker output to the TV headphone output would require menu changes -- Not Good.


Well, I figured out that's not quite true. By turning 'ON' HDMI Control in the Denon Menu the receiver will pass on the HDMI audio to the TV if I put the receiver into 'standby'.

There are two issues with this approach.
1) The TV goes blank for about 7 seconds while everything is sorted out
2) Not all audio formats can make it to the headphones via toslink.
post #5389 of 5668
I have 6 inputs I'm trying to connect to my 2809ci, using a combination of s-video, component, and HDMI. I also have wireless headphones that I need to use sometimes, hooked up to the audio out. Everything works fine except I can't get my 6th source to display video. If I have the headphones hooked up to the VCR out, then I can't get a video display on the VCR input. If I switch the audio out to the DVR jacks, then I can't get a video display on DVR. I assume this is a limitation, or is there something I am doing wrong?

I was previously using switches and using fewer inputs, but I'm trying to clean up a lot of cable clutter.
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The issue with your analog video is more than likely because you have it "stacked" with an HDMI source and that HDMI video source is taking priority. Also note the VCR analog audio outputs will pass whatever source is selected for Zone 2.
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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The issue with your analog video is more than likely because you have it "stacked" with an HDMI source and that HDMI video source is taking priority. Also note the VCR analog audio outputs will pass whatever source is selected for Zone 2.

Thanks for the quick reply. Not sure what you mean.

First, I have Zone 2 set to "source", so the headphones will play whatever source I have selected, exactly as I want.

I don't THINK I have the VCR "stacked" with anything. I have tried to hook up an s-video and audio feed, with all inputs set to "None", and a component video with audio with component input set to RCA-1. In either case, I get no video or audio when selecting the VCR as a source. It's like with using VCR out, it locks out the use of it as an input device. Any ideas??

Edit: could it be related to Zone 2 set to "source" ?? Any other thing I could set it to?

Edit 2: looking at the manual, it says "You can listen to one program source while recording a different program source". I guess that's my problem - I'm trying to "record" the same program source. So I guess the question is - is there another way to send an audio signal to the headphones other than using Zone 2??
post #5392 of 5668
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Which S-video source are you using? VCR? And which source is the RCA-1 input assigned to? VCR or DVR? If you have analog headphones, then the Zone 2 preouts or VCR outputs are the best way to connect them, other than connecting an external optical--> analog converter from the optical output.
post #5393 of 5668
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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Which S-video source are you using? VCR? And which source is the RCA-1 input assigned to? VCR or DVR? If you have analog headphones, then the Zone 2 preouts or VCR outputs are the best way to connect them, other than connecting an external optical--> analog converter from the optical output.

Thanks again for your help. The s-video source happens to be a Tivo Series 2. I am merely using the VCR input for convenience, since every other one is used up. I have tried to hook up a TWC HD DVR via component, plugging it into RCA-1 and setting the input assign to RCA-1, and putting the audio cables in VCR, but get the same results - no video or audio.

Using the Zone 2 preouts sounds like a good solution. I just plugged the headphones into the Zone 2 preouts but I get no sound. Is there some setting I'm missing?? I'm guessing I would need some sort of amp to use the preouts??
post #5394 of 5668
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RCA-1 is simply the input jack name which then needs to be assigned to a source name (eg. VCR, DVR, etc.), the factory default being the DVD source name if not changed so you would have to select the DVD source input on the remote to get video from that connection. Wireless headphones have their own amp, keeping in mind that only analog or optical/digital coax PCM 2.0 sources will pass to Zone 2.
post #5395 of 5668
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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RCA-1 is simply the input jack name which then needs to be assigned to a source name (eg. VCR, DVR, etc.), the factory default being the DVD source name if not changed so you would have to select the DVD source input on the remote to get video from that connection. Wireless headphones have their own amp, keeping in mind that only analog or optical/digital coax PCM 2.0 sources will pass to Zone 2.

I guess I didn't make myself clear, but that is exactly what I am doing. Plug device into VCR jacks, go into menu, manual setup, select VCR and assign the input used. For s-video I leave everything as "None".

Not sure why my headphones don't work on preout.

Thanks for the help. I guess I'll have to keep playing around. I like the idea of using the preouts.
post #5396 of 5668
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So then you have the component video input (RCA-1) assigned to the VCR input as well? Forget the headphones for now .. can you get video from the TiVo input at all? Is Video Convert for that input set to ON and the i/p Scaler set to "A to H"?
post #5397 of 5668
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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So then you have the component video input (RCA-1) assigned to the VCR input as well? Forget the headphones for now .. can you get video from the TiVo input at all? Is Video Convert for that input set to ON and the i/p Scaler set to "A to H"?

Well, interesting. Looks like the VCR video input did NOT have convert on. When I turned it on, I now get audio and video, but still no output to the headphones from the VCR output jacks. If I switch the headphone plugs to the DVR output, I get sound. So it doesn't want to output sound from VCR if I have an input in VCR, and vice-versa with the DVR jacks. Hope that makes sense to you.

I have no idea how to set the i/p scalar. I see nothing like that in any menu I have looked at. Note that this is strictly s-video. Maybe the scalar thing would show up if I hooked up a component device.
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Well, then that would explain it. Also, the setting (p. 36) can be set for each input source. Not sure why the VCR Out isn't working for you though. With the headphones connected to the Zone 2 preouts try setting Zone 2 to VCR instead of SOURCE.
post #5399 of 5668
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Well, then that would explain it. Also, the setting (p. 36) can be set for each input source. Not sure why the VCR Out isn't working for you though. With the headphones connected to the Zone 2 preouts try setting Zone 2 to VCR instead of SOURCE.

O.K. found i/p scalar. I wasn't scrolling down. It is set correctly.

Still no output on Zone 2 preout. I scrolled through all the sources.

Thanks for all the help. I'm done experimenting for now. Dinner time.

Maybe I'll play with it tomorrow or maybe I'll just give up. I don't know why there just can't be a simple analog audio out with no playing around. Just output any sound to analog outs. Is that too much to ask for??
post #5400 of 5668
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Not sure why it's not working for you ... on my 2808CI, my Sennheiser 140's work fine when connected to either VCR Out or Zone 2 preouts.
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