or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Receivers, Amps, and Processors › Official Pioneer SC-05 and SC-07 Owners Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Official Pioneer SC-05 and SC-07 Owners Thread - Page 359

post #10741 of 17094
Quote:
Originally Posted by Perpendicular View Post

I have no idea how you came to this conclusion.....unless it's a personal comment.

I feel that 7.1 always sounds better than 5.1 mode whether matrixing or not.

Agreed. For most rooms (with at least a 12' width and speakers placed at/near the back corners) film soundtracks/concerts sound better with 7.1 almost all the time. My preference is usually the SB effect from a THX Ultra2 settings (or Select2 if you have an SC-05) with movies. For most TV sourced 5.1 Dolby Digital presentations I prefer Dolby EX and PLIIx decoding over Ultra2 though.

The only exception I can think of is on some SACD/DVD-A recordings native 5.1 is better since the matrixing alters the placement of some musical reflections/instruments and mixing choices. Other than for these rare instances/sources 7.1 is superior even when it's matrixed. I find it produces a far far more immersive experience on most soundtracks.

In essence SBL/SBR act as a rear center. Would you listen without the front center? Heck no. Why listen without the rear fill and central sound effect that mimics that positionality? That's 6.1's or 7.1's true benefit.
post #10742 of 17094
Couldn't have said it better, myself.....great Post, eldithomaso!!
post #10743 of 17094
Quote:
Originally Posted by vettett15 View Post

I was taking a look at the reviews for the sc05 (http://www.ultimateavmag.com/avrecei...er/index7.html and 8002 (http://www.ultimateavmag.com/avrecei...02/index7.html) because I'm interested in both (actually the 8001 but I believe the 8002 & 8001 would sound exactly the same). I noticed that the distortion vs power curve for the 8002 is much flatter while also remaining at a lot lower distortion level over most of the curve than the sc05. I would imagine that this is important because you are usually not at max power when listening, but this measured data doesn't seem to be coming through in terms of people's reviews when listening to both.

Also I was wondering when exactly does the Pioneer's MAAC go away, in terms of the 2 channel direct modes.

If I want to use my sub for both direct mode 2 channel and also during ht it sounds like i will need to have two sets of wires at the sub, one coming out of the LFE and one coming out of the preamp.

By the way, anyone have an experience from buying the sc05 from ibuydigital dot com? They have it for 745 shipped to your door, brand new. The question is will this carry the warranty, they say it does.

Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper12 View Post

I can't answer any of the other questions, but, I moved from an SR8001 to the SC-05. Now I don't know if is the fact that the MCACC does a better job in my room or what, but the SC-05 is much better. In every way, 2 channel audio, multichannel music etc. And for movies, well it's not even a contest, the SC-05 is a beast I was really surprised that the SC-05 was that much better. I even switched back and forth between the two to test. The SC-05 was a clear winner in my situation!!

Don't know about the power graphs on ultimateav, but, I have played this fairly damn loud and have never heared any distortion. It never seems to want for power. I really don't know how you could listen to it louder without going instantly deaf!!

Just read your post again. There is a stream direct option in the SC-05. This allows you to use the sub when listening to two channel audio.

I agree with reaper12 and would like to add that I went from a Marantz 5003 to a Denon 3808 (a world of difference), then finally settling on the Pioneer SC-07. I've been happy with my final purchase of the SC-07 and haven't looked back. Though, I will admit that the new Denon upper end models have piqued my interest, if just a bit.
post #10744 of 17094
Well, finally updated HMG firmware. Took a while but once I figured out that I needed to get to it by using a laptop to hook onto the wireless bridge I'm using with my 07, it was easy. At first blush, no difference with Internet radio. That is, immediate play but then within 30 seconds, buffer empties and music stops. But then I discovered something - rather two things. After the music stopped, I went to view pictures from the server and while I was viewing photos, the music started playing again - this after a 5 minute pause or so. The two discoveries; evidently, after a long handshaking process, the radio does indeed play, and the second, you can listen to music while viewing photos. Not perfect, but I can live with it and it's actually a minor quibble compared to the awesome BD listening experience.
post #10745 of 17094
Quote:
Originally Posted by eldithomaso View Post

...The only exception I can think of is on some SACD/DVD-A recordings native 5.1 is better since the matrixing alters the placement of some musical reflections/instruments and mixing choices. Other than for these rare instances/sources 7.1 is superior even when it's matrixed. I find it produces a far far more immersive experience on most soundtracks...

It may just be my unique setup, but I have yet to find any negative effects of 7.1 even with SACDs. Whether they are using ambience only, or overt directional instrument placement, 7.1 has always seemed at least equal and sometimes superior to 5.1. I finally decided to leave it on all the time.

Of course, YMMV.
post #10746 of 17094
Quote:


THX certified Pioneer receivers...

output level for -20dBFs input , 0dB VR position => 150mV
output level for -20dBFs input , +12dB VR Position(MAX) => 600mV
output level for 0dBFs input, 0dB VR position => 1.5V

Hi Gov,

thanks for the info!

I'm unclear, would you mind clarifying? The SC-05 volume
goes from -70dB to +4dB(max). Are you saying at 0dB on the SC-05
Volume Indicator would be 1.5Vrms out?

My MCACC level settings are at +1.0dB. The reason I ask is I'm hooking
up the SC-05 to the XPA-5 amp. I found with music cd's,
fairly loud levels are at -30dB, where as movies(HD or BD) need
to be bumped up to -10dB or even higher for same level.
That's quite a big difference in output levels.

Does increasing the channel level in the setup also increase notable distortion?
post #10747 of 17094
I just un-boxed my new SC-05 today, and have been setting it up. MCACC seems pretty cool, and the PS3, XBOX360, Wii and HD-DVD player all work fine (PS3, XBOX and HD-DVD at 1080p, 1080p and 1080i respectively over HDMI, and the Wii through component). The only thing I'm having trouble with is the Mac Mini. The only resolution that seems to work is 1280x720, when all resolutions work when connected directly to the TV, including 1920x1080. I could deal with 720p, if only the video weren't offset by about 100 pixels to the left. The Apple menu and File menu are off the screen, and there is a black bar on the right side of the TV.

I've looked at the links on page on of this thread, and done many google searches, but can't find any references to a similar problem, let alone a fix for it. Everything says "Pioneer Elite receivers don't do any conversion to HDMI signals - what comes out is identical to what goes in," but I don't see how that's true if I'm having these two problems. The computer recognizes the "display" as "SC-05," so maybe it's not giving the computer the full range of resolutions supported by the TV.
post #10748 of 17094
[quote=Bengali;16690107]Hi Gov,

thanks for the info!

I'm unclear, would you mind clarifying? The SC-05 volume
goes from -70dB to +4dB(max).

My MCACC level settings are at +1.0dB. The reason I ask is I'm hooking
up the SC-05 to the XPA-5 amp. I found with music cd's,
fairly loud levels are at -30dB, where as movies(HD or BD) need
to be bumped up to -10dB or even higher for same level.
That's quite a big difference in output levels.

[quote]

"Are you saying at 0dB on the SC-05
Volume Indicator would be 1.5Vrms out?"

Yes


"Does increasing the channel level in the setup also increase notable distortion?"

It can, but only when you get passed reference levels


What you are finding with the different source material is fairly normal. I will almost always play CD's lower than when watching a DVD or Blu-ray.
post #10749 of 17094
Pardon me for asking this question in the SC-05 forum, but I also have an Elite Blu-ray.

This newbie would appreciate some help.

I just got the BDP-05FD yesterday (along with the SC-05), and am having some difficulty upgrading the firmware via Pioneer's web site. I have downloaded the upgrade file, but when it comes time to load burn the three files the information tells me to burn, I find only two. Also, after burning the CD and loading it into the player, the face of the BDP-05FD reads, Data Disc.

I am using a mac, if that makes any difference.

Suggestions?
post #10750 of 17094
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rever View Post

Pardon me for asking this question in the SC-05 forum, but I also have an Elite Blu-ray.

This newbie would appreciate some help.

I just got the BDP-05FD yesterday (along with the SC-05), and am having some difficulty upgrading the firmware via Pioneer's web site. I have downloaded the upgrade file, but when it comes time to load burn the three files the information tells me to burn, I find only two. Also, after burning the CD and loading it into the player, the face of the BDP-05FD reads, Data Disc.

I am using a mac, if that makes any difference.

Suggestions?

See response in blu-ray thread.

Or try here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...g#post16595967

I think this is what you are looking for.
post #10751 of 17094
Newbie questions. P12 step 3 of the manual seems very clear.

"...then press AUTO/DIRECT...to select 'AUTO SURROUND' and start playback of the source. If you're playing a Dolby Digital or DTS surround sound DVD disc, you should hear surround sound."

1) I put Jurassic Park III in the PS3 and start it up.
2) I press AUTO/DIRECT
3) AUTO SURROUND is displayed on the receiver for a few seconds, and then it switches to STEREO (and only my left/right main speakers are outputting).

It does this regardless of setting the DVD menu to play DTS 5.1 or Dolby Digital 5.1. It also does this for the 5th Element DVD movie.

If I press the STD button on the remote, I can select between those various surround effects and all 5.1 speakers are outputting.

Why doesn't the AUTO SURROUND recognize the dolby digital movie, the way that the manual states that it should?
post #10752 of 17094
Is there a way to directly input an external line level signal (post volume control and bass management) directly into the SC-05's IcePower amp inputs (at least 2 channels)?

Thanks,
Darrell
post #10753 of 17094
Quote:
Originally Posted by sbwtwo View Post

For me, it's between Abe's and 6ave. Both are offering a 3-year warranty BECAUSE the Pioneer warranty will not be honored by Pioneer (this is what they say to their customers)

6th ave is an authorized dealer...I spoke to Pioneer the other day, they confirmed my warranty is valid on my SC-07
post #10754 of 17094
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rÿche 1 View Post

6th ave is an authorized dealer...I spoke to Pioneer the other day, they confirmed my warranty is valid on my SC-07

You may want to take a screen-shot of Pioneer's list of authorized Internet seller's... just in case you need proof:



I see Walmart is listed there too.

No, I never thought my SC-07 would bite the dust after (4) months of service.

No, I did not enjoy being hassled by Pioneer's Customer Service Rep's. when I sought their approval for a warranty covered repair.
post #10755 of 17094
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rever View Post

Pardon me for asking this question in the SC-05 forum, but I also have an Elite Blu-ray.

This newbie would appreciate some help.

I just got the BDP-05FD yesterday (along with the SC-05), and am having some difficulty upgrading the firmware via Pioneer's web site. I have downloaded the upgrade file, but when it comes time to load burn the three files the information tells me to burn, I find only two. Also, after burning the CD and loading it into the player, the face of the BDP-05FD reads, Data Disc.

I am using a mac, if that makes any difference.

Suggestions?

Ran into the same problem. There are hidden files when loading the burn image. Can't get to them.

Call Pioneer and ask them to send you a FW upgrade disk. They do this at no charge.
post #10756 of 17094
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Tbone View Post

Newbie questions. P12 step 3 of the manual seems very clear.

"...then press AUTO/DIRECT...to select 'AUTO SURROUND' and start playback of the source. If you're playing a Dolby Digital or DTS surround sound DVD disc, you should hear surround sound."

1) I put Jurassic Park III in the PS3 and start it up.
2) I press AUTO/DIRECT
3) AUTO SURROUND is displayed on the receiver for a few seconds, and then it switches to STEREO (and only my left/right main speakers are outputting).

It does this regardless of setting the DVD menu to play DTS 5.1 or Dolby Digital 5.1. It also does this for the 5th Element DVD movie.

If I press the STD button on the remote, I can select between those various surround effects and all 5.1 speakers are outputting.

Why doesn't the AUTO SURROUND recognize the dolby digital movie, the way that the manual states that it should?

How did you connect your PS3 to your receiver? To have multi-channel sound, it should be connected either through HDMI or optical cable.

You may want to check the excellent first post of this thread, which includes among many other things, a link to a post about PS3 settings.

Good luck!

Dan.
post #10757 of 17094
Quote:
Originally Posted by darrellh44 View Post

Is there a way to directly input an external line level signal (post volume control and bass management) directly into the SC-05's IcePower amp inputs (at least 2 channels)?

Thanks,
Darrell

Nope, sorry. This is more of a "consumer" AVR, even if it's an "Elite" product. All inputs go through processing, which includes volume, bass management, and most importantly, MCACC.

You could use the "Pure Direct" mode and leave the volume at 0dB, this should be pretty direct (no bass managment, no MCACC). Not sure if it would go through an A>D / D>A conversion before being fed to the ICE amps though.

Dan.
post #10758 of 17094
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarah Baucom View Post

I just un-boxed my new SC-05 today, and have been setting it up. MCACC seems pretty cool, and the PS3, XBOX360, Wii and HD-DVD player all work fine (PS3, XBOX and HD-DVD at 1080p, 1080p and 1080i respectively over HDMI, and the Wii through component). The only thing I'm having trouble with is the Mac Mini. The only resolution that seems to work is 1280x720, when all resolutions work when connected directly to the TV, including 1920x1080. I could deal with 720p, if only the video weren't offset by about 100 pixels to the left. The Apple menu and File menu are off the screen, and there is a black bar on the right side of the TV.

I've looked at the links on page on of this thread, and done many google searches, but can't find any references to a similar problem, let alone a fix for it. Everything says "Pioneer Elite receivers don't do any conversion to HDMI signals - what comes out is identical to what goes in," but I don't see how that's true if I'm having these two problems. The computer recognizes the "display" as "SC-05," so maybe it's not giving the computer the full range of resolutions supported by the TV.

Hi Sarah, I don't think there is a real benefit to hooking up your PC to the SC unless it can bitstream the audio through HDMI. I have two PC's hooked up to my TV using it's HDMI ports and just letting the SC handle the audio via optical.

If you set the res in your mac to 1080p and then hook it up to the SC, it down converts the video signal to 720p?
post #10759 of 17094
I set up my SC07 yesterday with an optical cable, so we can watch TV with out always having the SC on. It worked great. Today I was looking through the menus of the 151fd that we just got. And I don't think that had anything to do with it, but now I only get intermediate sound if at all with the SC off obviously with it on I get sound through my 5.1 speakers, but now off the TV speakers are intermittent? The optical is plugged into a Scientific Atlantic 8300 DVR. The HDMI picture pass through is fine? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
post #10760 of 17094
I have a Pronto universal remote set up to control everything in my Home Theater including powering OFF my HTPC -- but the only way to turn on the computer was to walk up to the equipment and push the power switch (gross!) So I designed a small circuit that powers on the HTPC from a +12V trigger. I have the SC-05 setup to turn on Trigger #1 when I switch to the HTPC input. The circuit is totally passive (RTL! ) and uses two relays you can buy at Radio Shack. Here is the circuit diagram and a picture of the competed switch (sharp eyes will notice the diode is missing - this is Rev 1.2, I added the diode in Rev 1.3).

Attachment 145917
Attachment 145918


The way it works is:

The relays are connected in parallel with the normal computer power switch (which therefore continues to work normally). When the 12V trigger comes on, the power switch header pins are shorted through the relay contacts (just as the manual power switch does). Once the computer powers up, the 12V fan header actuates relay 2 which opens the circuit. As long as the computer is on, relay two is actuated and the circuit does nothing (I use IR to turn the computer off). Therefore it is ok to switch the 12V trigger on and off while the computer is powered on (by switching to another input for example) - nothing happens. Pressing the manual power switch while the computer is on powers it off normally.

The 1K resistor is only there because I originally used it as an inductive snubber, but then got paranoid about allowing any negative voltage back into the SC-05 12V trigger output (although I hope Pioneer protects their outputs with snubbing diodes) and so I added the diode. The only downside of the diode is the input circuit becomes polarity sensitive - you have to make sure you get the cathode (banded) end of the diode connected to the tip connector of the jack. If you use the diode you can leave out the resistor. If you use the resistor you need to pick a relay that draws no more than 38 mA to avoid exceeding the 50 mA trigger output. You could also use a 5V relay and a dropping resistor chosen to drop 7V at the relay current.

The whole thing is built on a 1.5 inch square of Radio Shack perf board and just sits in a empty spot in the computer. The jack I chose fits perfectly in an unused round audio cutout in the back panel. You will also need a three foot monoplug-to-monoplug cable to hook up the computer to the receiver. Don't forget to go into the receiver setup and turn on the 12V trigger for the HTPC input.

If you wanted to have your HTPC always come on when you power on your Home Theatre, you could switch to HTPC in your power on macro.
LL
LL

 

HTPC Switch Rev 1.3.pdf 47.849609375k . file
post #10761 of 17094
Quote:
Originally Posted by mjpt View Post

I set up my SC07 yesterday with an optical cable, so we can watch TV with out always having the SC on. It worked great. Today I was looking through the menus of the 151fd that we just got. And I don't think that had anything to do with it, but now I only get intermediate sound if at all with the SC off obviously with it on I get sound through my 5.1 speakers, but now off the TV speakers are intermittent? The optical is plugged into a Scientific Atlantic 8300 DVR. The HDMI picture pass through is fine? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Connect as follows:
1) DVR Direct to PDP151 via ONE HDMI connection (use imput 6 if avail)
2) DVR Direct to SC-07 via Component (Good cable) and TOSLINK (optical).

USE DVR with one imput on TV HDMI 6 for standard viewing
USE TV imput on SC-07 with HDMI CONTROL SET TO ON on both PDP and SC-07, PDP AND SC-07 will default to TV setting when turning on and automatically select COMPONENT AND TOSLINK imput assigned to TV imput

Voila!

There are other ways - but that is the way the units were DESIGNED to connect with an STB or Cable box.
post #10762 of 17094
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nimo View Post

Hi Sarah, I don't think there is a real benefit to hooking up your PC to the SC unless it can bitstream the audio through HDMI. I have two PC's hooked up to my TV using it's HDMI ports and just letting the SC handle the audio via optical.

If you set the res in your mac to 1080p and then hook it up to the SC, it down converts the video signal to 720p?

The computer has an M-Audio Transit USB connected to it, which does Bitstream over optical. One of the main reasons for upgrading to the SC-05 was to get rid of the annoyance of having to switch the source on two or three devices when switching between components. The receiver isn't down-converting the signal. 1080p simply doesn't work when going through the receiver (it does work when connected directly to the TV, or through the HDMI switch box I used before getting the SC-05). I was able to use SwitchResX to fix 1280x720 so that it's no longer offset (it only took about 30 reboots to get it working). I think I'll just stick with that.
post #10763 of 17094
Just ordered my SC-05 to replace my Integra 5.5! It's like Christmas in June!!!
post #10764 of 17094
Quote:
Originally Posted by eldithomaso View Post

Connect as follows:
1) DVR Direct to PDP151 via ONE HDMI connection (use imput 6 if avail)
2) DVR Direct to SC-07 via Component (Good cable) and TOSLINK (optical).

USE DVR with one imput on TV HDMI 6 for standard viewing
USE TV imput on SC-07 with HDMI CONTROL SET TO ON on both PDP and SC-07, PDP AND SC-07 will default to TV setting when turning on and automatically select COMPONENT AND TOSLINK imput assigned to TV imput

Voila!

There are other ways - but that is the way the units were DESIGNED to connect with an STB or Cable box.

Ok, I feel stupid I have no Voila. I had the TV Calibrated and it is hooked up for cable through HDMI 4, HDMI 5 was configured for BD. The SC is set to use TV/Sat, and from the DVR there is a optical cable to run the speakers when off. Sorry, but I don't know how to set HDMI control set to on, on the SC-07? It will not give me any on screen display?? Thank you very much for your help!!

Edit:

Ok Still learning need to have HDMI 5 to see on screen display. The HDMI Control set is set to on, on both PDP and SC. It has been working for the past day and half, but can I not use the HDMI? I need to get a Compent cable, and if so not that I am doubting you... just currious why? The picture is working, and in the SC I have the TV/SAT set to use OPT-1? Where does the Component come in?

Thanks in advance!
post #10765 of 17094
Quote:
Originally Posted by mjpt View Post

Ok, I feel stupid I have no Voila. I had the TV Calibrated and it is hooked up for cable through HDMI 4, HDMI 5 was configured for BD. The SC is set to use TV/Sat, and from the DVR there is a optical cable to run the speakers when off. Sorry, but I don't know how to set HDMI control set to on, on the SC-07? It will not give me any on screen display?? Thank you very much for your help!!

Edit:

Ok Still learning need to have HDMI 5 to see on screen display. The HDMI Control set is set to on, on both PDP and SC. It has been working for the past day and half, but can I not use the HDMI? I need to get a Compent cable, and if so not that I am doubting you... just currious why? The picture is working, and in the SC I have the TV/SAT set to use OPT-1? Where does the Component come in?

Thanks in advance!

I use HDMI from DVR to TV, with toslink from DVR to SC 05. That way I can play DVR (Tivo HD) through TV without firing up SC, or use HDMI for picture to TV and toslink for audio through SC.
HDMI control is "off" on TV, on in SC and BDP-51.
BDP 51 is connected by HDMI to SC, then HDMI from SC to TV.
TV is gen8 Elite, Input 4 for BD, input 5 for Tivo.

I have Harmony remote programmed to select input on TV for different modes, rather than using HDMI control. If Pio BD player then HDMI control will turn on TV even if you are only listening to CD.

This must be one of those "other ways" to which my friend eldithomaso referred.
post #10766 of 17094
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rÿche 1 View Post

6th ave is an authorized dealer...I spoke to Pioneer the other day, they confirmed my warranty is valid on my SC-07

That is really good to know! I got my -05 from them 2 weeks ago and was hoping that the warranty would be valid since they are listed on Pioneer's site, but considering the price I decided to take my chances...
post #10767 of 17094
Quote:
Originally Posted by info_dan View Post

How did you connect your PS3 to your receiver? To have multi-channel sound, it should be connected either through HDMI or optical cable.

You may want to check the excellent first post of this thread, which includes among many other things, a link to a post about PS3 settings.

Good luck!

Dan.

Thanks. It was a little challenging working my way through the PS3 menus until I found all of the linear PCM selection check boxes. Once I checked them all, it worked fine.
post #10768 of 17094
Just became a member of the SC-07 owners club. I had to send my VSX-49tx out for repair so I figured it was time to get something a little more modern. Hopefully this can rival the sound from the 49 as that was one heck of a unit. I will say I am a little worried right off the bat with the hardwired power cable. Why in the world would Pioneer choose to do this?

Quick question. I think I saw that hooking a Scientific Atlanta 8300HD via component and optical is still the way to go over HDMI due to the SA not sending a great signal via HDMI. Is that true?
post #10769 of 17094
BlueHurricane, we hooked our 8300HD up component/optical. We tried the HDMI way as well and compared the two, and decided that the component/optical gave a better picture, maybe the upscaler?

Also, this way you keep a free HDMI in.
post #10770 of 17094
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueHurricane View Post

Just became a member of the SC-07 owners club. I had to send my VSX-49tx out for repair so I figured it was time to get something a little more modern. Hopefully this can rival the sound from the 49 as that was one heck of a unit. I will say I am a little worried right off the bat with the hardwired power cable. Why in the orld would Pioneer choose to do this?

Quick question. I think I saw that hooking a Scientific Atlanta 8300HD via component and optical is still the way to go over HDMI due to the SA not sending a great signal via HDMI. Is that true?

Depends on what you're looking for. If you watch a lot of SD material (I assume you don't since you have the 8300 HD), then you might get a bump in PQ using component connections.

IF not, I'd got to HDMI all the way. It's been months, but I did try both the HDMI and component connections to my SC from the SA 8300. I preferred the HDMI connection. Just don't ask me why, because I forget.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Receivers, Amps, and Processors › Official Pioneer SC-05 and SC-07 Owners Thread