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post #12721 of 17094
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Originally Posted by smurraybhm View Post

Warren - enjoy your fine receiver. There are many of us who own Kuro's and do you think that we are losing sleep over the fact that Pioneer left that market? It's disappointing but one is still left with one of the best displays made, actually the display all others are compared to. The SC's are great receivers, I wouldn't return mine under any circumstances. In fact for the right price I would buy another one to replace an Onkyo upstairs in a second.


No worries
I agree with you on the Kuro...probably the best TV display I have seen. I only wished the pricing was where it is now when I purchased the TV for my family room...but back then they were about twice the price I see them going for currentlyat Best Buy...and for the size I needed...60"...a price I could not stomach at the time
But interestingly enough a guy at best Buy told me that Panasonic was going to start making the Plasma displays and brand them Pioneer...??

I have no issues with the Sc 07 receiver...although I have had it for a little more than a week ..it definitely meets my expectations for the application, as does the onkyo 875. I haven't "bench "tested" it like many of you have. Its in a room where 90% of its duty will be listening to Direct TV broadcasts along with 10% blu ray movies It is connected to a Kef 2005.2 system. So it will never get played at ear splitting levels, more than likely
If pioneer's financial situation put me in a position to get one really dirt cheap then all the better in my mind. Like I said before peripheral issues can change inherent value.

By the way those of you that negotiated the price at Best Buy..can you provide some feedback on your tactic?.....I did not know that was possible
....well I mean for any significant difference in price that is

Warren
post #12722 of 17094
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Originally Posted by flyingvfreak View Post

Now that is a smoking Deal, If i can get that I would!! Yup I was in their today And they had a 07 for $1499 and a 05 at the same price, both open box! So the sales gut pulls both tags and the 07 showed $1199 and the 05 $999 in the Computer WTF!! So some body can rip them selfs off not knowing what the Actual Price is If they dont check in Computer.And each BB are independent and yes the Store Mngr can Negotiate I almost pulled the trigger on the 07,but it had no remote or Assec! Also Guys these are made in Malaysia Sony are made in Malaysia ,Not good for a Elite. I thought these were top of the line!!! I was rather dissapointed to find that out

Thats interesting
I haven't had the sales person look in the computer..but the two Magnolia stores I went had them at the same price...in the Box...07...$1099....05...$1259
which I know makes no sense...but two stores..in two different states I was in last week had the same price on the boxes. I actually bought an open box 07 at one of the stores for 999
As for being made in Malaysia....that's going to be about par for the course unless you get into components that are the thousands of dollars each
There was scuttlebutt in the Pioneer blu ray forum about the BDP-51..there was models made in Japan and models made in Malaysia. There was implication that you should only buy the Japanese made models
So ..supposedly guys were going in Best buy...picking up several boxes until they found one that was made in Japan
I am not sure it was ever substantiated whether the Japanese made units were any better..as they are people who have had issues with models made in either country. I have two of the units...made in Japan..and knock on wood have had no issues
This was one of the reasons I bought the 07 over another onkyo unit as I liked the fact that it would integrate well ( in both looks and functionality) with the Pioneer Blu ray player


Warren
post #12723 of 17094
Got my SC-07 on Wednesday to replace my Onkyo 804. Sounds great. Nice and clean. The only weird thing is that I have to turn up the volume at least 10db-15 db higher than my Onkyo even though my SC-07 has 35 watts per channel more power. I could play a movie like the Matrix at -25db on the Onkyo but have to set it at -10db on the SC-07. This is also true with my directv settings. All connections are HDMI. The loudness plus is on. The midnight setting is off. Any ideas why this is so?
post #12724 of 17094
You had to mention that the 07 are mostly made in Malaysia. Mine is too. Just checked. I assumed it was "made in Japan" as this is an Elite model. And my Panasonic DMP-BD60 BD player is "made in China". What can you do? Every one wants to save money and make more money. Just how it is.

Nikon, manufacturers most of the "point & shoot" and almost all DSLR's outside of Japan. Only their top 3 models are made in Japan still. Along with only their Pro lenses (gold band at the front of lens).

And I never really looked to make sure the equipment I was buying was "made in japan". That and today companies like Pioneer and Nikon do try to maintain a high quality control standard abroad. So I don't think we have much to worry about.

My Nikon D300 is made in...damn I forgot...too lazy to run upstairs and check...oh right it was in Thailand. Lots of happy D300 owners out there. No problems so far. No signs of bad build quality.

But given the choice of course I would prefer "made in Japan". I am also a little biased that way. I don't think too many receivers are still made in Japan (Japanese brands). And I think most of the more important assembly is robotic. It's the "simpler tasks" that are done by human hands.

Will try to remember to watch for "made in ______" in the future though.
post #12725 of 17094
This has been discussed in GREAT detail throughout the thread - I speak from experience since I am still trying to read all of it. Every receiver is different, in fact every movie or other media type can be different as far as listening levels. Some I have to turn it up to listen more than others. As others far more knowledgeable than I am have stated there is no correlation between receivers in regards to volume/db - they are all different. That being said, crank it up to the level you desire and enjoy your new receiver.
post #12726 of 17094
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Originally Posted by smurraybhm View Post

This has been discussed in GREAT detail throughout the thread - I speak from experience since I am still trying to read all of it. Every receiver is different, in fact every movie or other media type can be different as far as listening levels. Some I have to turn it up to listen more than others. As others far more knowledgeable than I am have stated there is no correlation between receivers in regards to volume/db - they are all different. That being said, crank it up to the level you desire and enjoy your new receiver.

I appreciate your reply and I understand that there are differences. However the volume of some movies and shows have gone up to 0 or 1+ dbs not being overly loud. The top setting of the receiver is +12db. I guess I expected more headroom.
post #12727 of 17094
I've noticed something similar but not at those levels. I found that between -30 and -20 my 07 is relatively quiet. Not that I don't hear sound of course. It just doesn't really come alive till around -20. Depending on the BD being played.

I usually watch Dolby TrueHD encoded BD's @ -17 to -15. But when playing DTS HD MSTR encoded BD's -17 is actually loud. So I feel like dropping it to -18 or so. I keep it under -17. So far. I live in a town home. Perhaps when both neighbors are out will I crank it up higher. Perhaps on a weekend. But where it's at now...more than acceptable.
post #12728 of 17094
I'm seriously considering the SC-07 receiver but I can't find many specs on it.
Can anyone tell me the height of the SC-07 as I have 7.25in of space in my rack (which I can't adjust) ?
Thanks
post #12729 of 17094
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Originally Posted by naughtybutnice View Post

I'm seriously considering the SC-07 receiver but I can't find many specs on it.
Can anyone tell me the height of the SC-07 as I have 7.25in of space in my rack (which I can't adjust) ?
Thanks

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post16988317
post #12730 of 17094
nbn, unfortunately, it's not going to fit...

dimensions are 16 7/8 X 7 7/8 X 18 1/8...
post #12731 of 17094
some of you are really cranking it, with an 05 listening to DD(as to not having a bd player) at -28 is a decent audio level and I'm hearing impaired(wearing hearing aids). Have you all loss your sense of hearing over time? hahahaha, you know what they say as to kids listening to all the booming loud sounds will take its toll years later in life.

edit: My 05 is installed and its heavy. Where would I find the info where my unit was produced at exactly? Would the info be stated on the original box?
post #12732 of 17094
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Originally Posted by pkzaher View Post

any of you heard side by side comparrison?

I had the 1019 for about 2 weeks and traded up once I got a deal on an 05. No, I did not do any sid-by-side comparisons. Like Chris mentioned, the amplification sections are in two different classes. You can guess which class I prefer. For me the 05 has opened up a whole new realm of audio in movies and music listening in general. The 1019 would be fine for 90%, but I'm glad and fortunate that I can be in the other 10%.
post #12733 of 17094
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by naughtybutnice View Post

I'm seriously considering the SC-07 receiver but I can't find many specs on it.
Can anyone tell me the height of the SC-07 as I have 7.25in of space in my rack (which I can't adjust) ?
Thanks

Linked on first page: Downloads
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/St...AD_Drawing.pdf
post #12734 of 17094
with a previous pio receiver to accomplish the above i put the imput to cd, and there was a video select button on the remote i could push until the xbox was output thru video and the CD was the audio.

how can you do that with this? input setup didnt seem to work.

cd player connected via analog, xbox via component, optical.
post #12735 of 17094
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Originally Posted by pochoboy View Post

.. Where would I find the info where my unit was produced at exactly? Would the info be stated on the original box?

Yes. The original box. Mine was made in Malaysia. A few members seem concerned about where their 05/07 were made. Everything nowdays is made in Asia. Just the way it is. I wouldn't have cared if my 05 was made in Timbuktu! Nor, do I worry about Pioneers long term future. Things will turn around in time, and I'm sure Pioneer will survive. Like I've said on this thread before... The 05/07 IMO are exceptional AVRs for the price - at least what I paid. But then again, value is always relative. The last thing I bought where I was concerned where it was made, was my 1999 Nissan Maxima. I wanted it made in Japan, and that was the last year it was made there - then anyway. The newer 2000s were being made in America. No offense to cars made in America, just my preference.

rickybob
post #12736 of 17094
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by leeford View Post

with a previous pio receiver to accomplish the above i put the imput to cd, and there was a video select button on the remote i could push until the xbox was output thru video and the CD was the audio.

how can you do that with this? input setup didnt seem to work.

cd player connected via analog, xbox via component, optical.


No problem, leeford

One Option:
You'll need to set up two assignments.. one for your xbox and another for CD
Say, you assign CD and DVD.....

Goto your Input setup:
Select DVD input
Digital In, OPT 1-x
and Component IN (Comp 1-x)
That should set up your remote to switch for your Xbox for games or DVD

page 92:

Component inputs:


Now just make your analog connection for CD from your xbox into the CD inputs on your SC

You'll use CD on your remote to activate it.

cd input location:


default settings (page 93):


This is how I connected my DVD/CD players.

Hope this helps! Please let us know
post #12737 of 17094
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by pochoboy View Post

.......................edit: My 05 is installed and its heavy. Where would I find the info where my unit was produced at exactly? Would the info be stated on the original box?

In addition to the box,
If you look at the brochure on the SC-07 (page 2) you'll see that's correct.
http://www.pioneer-america.com/ephox...iles/SC-07.pdf

Closeup from Brochure:


Malaysia has been one of Pioneer's main production plants for their receivers for decades.
Never heard of any issues on their receivers..
Until recently, I believe only their speakers, Kuros and Blu-ray players were made in Japan.
post #12738 of 17094
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Originally Posted by gvatty View Post

I appreciate your reply and I understand that there are differences. However the volume of some movies and shows have gone up to 0 or 1+ dbs not being overly loud. The top setting of the receiver is +12db. I guess I expected more headroom.

This may of been caused by the MCACC, maybe the db of the individual speakers are lower on SC then the Onkyos.
post #12739 of 17094
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Originally Posted by gvatty View Post

I appreciate your reply and I understand that there are differences. However the volume of some movies and shows have gone up to 0 or 1+ dbs not being overly loud. The top setting of the receiver is +12db. I guess I expected more headroom.

Were the connections to your Onkyo also HDMI?
I've read several posts about the differences in levels between DVD - DD+DTS vs. BD - DD+DTS Lossless codecs, where the Lossless are much quieter. I have not found that to be the case, but perhaps it depends on the discs used.

I have noticed that there is a very tight correlation between my Denon and new Pio SC07. Where I was playing a BD at -20 on my Denon, it would be about the same on my Pio SC07.

Maybe my Ascends are super efficient, but pretty much any source played louder than -10 is nearly painful!

shane
post #12740 of 17094
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Originally Posted by JamHandMan View Post

This may of been caused by the MCACC, maybe the db of the individual speakers are lower on SC then the Onkyos.

+1

Good point JamHandMan. I found that the MCACC decreased the overall volume of ALL channels. I increased those settings equally across the board.

shane
post #12741 of 17094
I agree with CHP_VR. There isn't anything to worry about finding out our 07 are made in Malaysia. Have any of you been to Malaysia or seen any travel shows? It's a VERY modern city. Has been for decades. It's not some backwards Asian country. They also have some of the most impressive architecture. Noteably one of the tallest buildings in the world. Twin towers. Forget the name. So if they have the ability for world class architecture I'm sure they can find workers capable enough to assemble the receivers. That and as I said...I'm sure Pioneer has a very stringent quality control system setup.

It's not like finding out our gear was "made in China" (my Panasonic BD60 BD player was made in China...the 80 probably is too). Where it can still vary depending on the city. But having said that even China...they are advancing very fast. Almost at a geometric rate. Building up their major cities to the point of bettering some major North American cities in areas such as transportation. Visit Shanghai some time. Ride their Maglev train. I did. Takes you from central Shanghai to their airport. I think we were flying down the track at almost 400 kmph!! They also have their Porsche and Ferrari clubs! World class food too.

Having said that. "Made in Japan" is still where it's at IMHO. Though look how long it took for them to establish this reputation. Countries like Malaysia, Thailand and China are already producing very reliable products. In maybe 1/5 the time. Just have yet to establish their reps as Japan has done (which isn't do say there aren't duds made in Japan).
post #12742 of 17094
CHP_VR, thank you for the info and yes it was produced in Malaysia, does it matter? I don't think so now that I look back on it as there's not many complaints on the unit itself.

Do you all register your units online with Pioneer? I guess I'm going to have to breakdown my install to get the serial# off the sc for my product registration. And that being so I'm going to attach the rs232 db9 serial cable to the unit with a 20' usb cable to my pc in another room and leave it attached although I may just use it once or twice to view my MCACC settings.
post #12743 of 17094
Gee, I was gone all day yesterday and came home to over 3 pages of Posts. I thought something important had happened like you guys missed me and was talking behind my back.

Did I say how much I love this Thread??

I love you, man!
post #12744 of 17094
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Originally Posted by gvatty View Post

Got my SC-07 on Wednesday to replace my Onkyo 804. Sounds great. Nice and clean. The only weird thing is that I have to turn up the volume at least 10db-15 db higher than my Onkyo even though my SC-07 has 35 watts per channel more power. I could play a movie like the Matrix at -25db on the Onkyo but have to set it at -10db on the SC-07. This is also true with my directv settings. All connections are HDMI. The loudness plus is on. The midnight setting is off. Any ideas why this is so?

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Originally Posted by gvatty View Post

I appreciate your reply and I understand that there are differences. However the volume of some movies and shows have gone up to 0 or 1+ dbs not being overly loud. The top setting of the receiver is +12db. I guess I expected more headroom.

First of all, I'll assume you have run MCACC. If you haven't, then the results you get at a given readout level are a function of your speaker sensitivity vs the assumption Pioneer made with their factory settings.

MCACC re-calibrates the sound levels so that 0 on its scale equals reference levels (with internally generated tones; external input can differ for various reasons). This generally results in the sound being softer or louder at the same numeric readout than it was pre-calibration, depending on the sensitivity of the speakers. Calibration to reference is mandated by THX to insure various processes work as they were intended. It does not affect the maximum volume the amp can put out. It just "corrects" the scale.

On non-THX receivers, the numbers on the display vary by manufacturer and often from year to year by the same manufacturer. They tell you nothing at all about the receiver's power output.

It once was fairly common for receiver manufacturers to set their volume control 0 point at some fixed value below the receiver's maximum output, frequently -10dB. In some, 0 was the maximum. This probably gave rise to the myth that the comparative settings told you something about the amps' relative power.

With the advent of automated level balancing systems such as MCACC, it became easy to apply some other standard, such as making 0 approximately equal to reference level. But manufacturers don't all follow the same practice and no industry-wide standards exist.

The volume control setting used to achieve a given listening level is affected by several other factors, such as the program content (not everything is recorded at the same level nor does it employ the same dynamic range) and the sensitivity of the output of the various connected components. MCACC uses internally generated tones and cannot account for these differences.

Bottom line is the numbers on the display are useful to help guide you to the same comfortable loudness level the next time you return to a source, but nothing to be concerned about beyond that.

That said, if you have run MCACC and still have to listen at or near 0, something is wrong, as most people would find that ear splitting (85dB average, with 105dB peaks). This first thing I'd do is run MCACC again to see if the condition corrects itself.
post #12745 of 17094
Thread Starter 
pochoboy
I register all my stuff, including Pioneer.. I like the Pioneer registration 'cause it keeps a list of your equipment and serial numbers you can look up quickly on those rare occasions you might need it.. Once in while they'll send you some news emails and notices pertaining to your registered equipment.

Perpendicular
Yeah, we were talking about you, but we changed all the posts early this morning
post #12746 of 17094
Thread Starter 
MacFan;

Thanks again for the well written explaination!!
I'm going to be changing the front page because of lack of space, time permitting...
I'll be adding this to it.

Thanks for the time and effort!
post #12747 of 17094
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

nbn, unfortunately, it's not going to fit...

dimensions are 16 7/8 X 7 7/8 X 18 1/8...

Thanks guys. Just my luck...finally a receiver I like...and it won't fit

Oh well.. back to the drawing board...........
post #12748 of 17094
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Originally Posted by Perpendicular View Post

Gee, I was gone all day yesterday and came home to over 3 pages of Posts. I thought something important had happened like you guys missed me and was talking behind my back.

Did I say how much I love this Thread??

I love you, man!

We missed you perp. See what a difference a day can make? Hum... something about that 'perp' abbreviation.

rickybob
post #12749 of 17094
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Originally Posted by Macfan424 View Post

First of all, I'll assume you have run MCACC. If you haven't, then the results you get at a given readout level are a function of your speaker sensitivity vs the assumption Pioneer made with their factory settings.

MCACC re-calibrates the sound levels so that 0 on its scale equals reference levels (with internally generated tones; external input can differ for various reasons). This generally results in the sound being softer or louder at the same numeric readout than it was pre-calibration, depending on the sensitivity of the speakers. Calibration to reference is mandated by THX to insure various processes work as they were intended. It does not affect the maximum volume the amp can put out. It just "corrects" the scale.

On non-THX receivers, the numbers on the display vary by manufacturer and often from year to year by the same manufacturer. They tell you nothing at all about the receiver's power output.

It once was fairly common for receiver manufacturers to set their volume control 0 point at some fixed value below the receiver's maximum output, frequently -10dB. In some, 0 was the maximum. This probably gave rise to the myth that the comparative settings told you something about the amps' relative power.

With the advent of automated level balancing systems such as MCACC, it became easy to apply some other standard, such as making 0 approximately equal to reference level. But manufacturers don't all follow the same practice and no industry-wide standards exist.

The volume control setting used to achieve a given listening level is affected by several other factors, such as the program content (not everything is recorded at the same level nor does it employ the same dynamic range) and the sensitivity of the output of the various connected components. MCACC uses internally generated tones and cannot account for these differences.

Bottom line is the numbers on the display are useful to help guide you to the same comfortable loudness level the next time you return to a source, but nothing to be concerned about beyond that.

That said, if you have run MCACC and still have to listen at or near 0, something is wrong, as most people would find that ear splitting (85dB average, with 105dB peaks). This first thing I'd do is run MCACC again to see if the condition corrects itself.

Thank you all for your explanations. Yes, I did run the MCACC. All connections are HDMI. My bd player is a ps3 which can explain slightly lower volume on blurays. But volume is also low on my directv satellite box. My main speakers are Polk Monitor 70s, Center channel Polk CS2, surrounds Polk R50 and rear surrounds are Polk Monitor 40s. My subwoofer is a Klipsch Synergy Sub-10. I will rerun the MCACC this weekend and see if that changes anything.
post #12750 of 17094
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Originally Posted by shane55 View Post

+1

Good point JamHandMan. I found that the MCACC decreased the overall volume of ALL channels. I increased those settings equally across the board.

shane

You should always take caution when doing that, however....

Remember that MCACC is adding gain to all channels by virtue of EQ, so that is usually the reason why there isn't always a channel at unity and others are adjusted against that... when adding DSP processing, the headroom decreases in most cases, and raising channel levels back up could cause clipping.
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