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post #151 of 17094
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Originally Posted by catapult View Post

About the heat, the ICE amps should run pretty cool but the video processor is still a big heat source.

That is a fact. The top on the 09 gets hot when playing video for the typical 2 -2.5 hrs period. Dave Vaughn at UltimateAV measured it at 135+ deg F under load. Playing music, it does not get that warm; IIRC, he measured it at ~110 deg F. The fans blow across the ice amp section, from left to right, so there is crossflow as well as upflow ventilation.

I'm sure the SC-07 has a similar setup.
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post #152 of 17094
Just a couple quick notes . . .

The heat coming from the amp, I would assume, is normal. I'm probably making something out of nothing.

Also, a question regarding the LFE on the front display. The "((( )))" surrounding the LFE flash on and off (with all sources), which I assume is normal, but it can be somewhat distracting. Is this to be expected?

Finally, regarding the the Ipod USB input, the manual states that the IPhone is not compatible with unit, yet I was able to connect my IPhone and listen to music with no problem.
post #153 of 17094
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Originally Posted by Vonbek777 View Post

CHP_VR, what all can you do remote wise with just HDMI control. I am really hoping to be able to just use my 151's remote for everything for general use. I know I will have to use the other unit remotes for calibration and the like, but for everyday use I want to be down to just one remote without having to resort to buying a universal. Everything will be Pioneer Elite except my Oppo 983 which I can already use the 151's remote for. Also how is the HDMI control holding up? Is it buggy or does it work as advertised? Thanks!


Ok, spent some time yesterday playing with the HDMI control..

Included some pictures to explain better, hope it helps.

HDMI functions: (all devices in question must have HDMI, example, if your tv has HDMI control, but your DVD player does not, it will not control it).
Equipment controlled: TV (PRO-110FD) and BlueRay (BDP-51FD) AVR (SC-07)

All control is from the TV remote control
TV and AVR
Controls: Volume control

It also turns on the AVR and switches inputs controlled by the SC-07.
Hitting the HMDI Control menu from the TV and selecting the AVR creates popup screen to access additional functions:

This is what shows overlayed on screen:

TV/Blu-Ray/AVR Control.
(If TV is off, it turns it on)..
Inserting disc switches all audio and video through the AVR to the TV properly.. in this case, select source, BD HDMI, 1080p/24, deep color (4:4:4), audio direct (some settings were programmed in the BPD-51, some in the SC-07 and some in the TV)
Basic controls for the Blu-ray you can operate with the TV remote using HDMI control:


Vonbek777, all the above was strictly HDMI control... in addition to this, I'm programming the TV remote to have most of the functions of the SC-07 and my other DVD-player, the SC-07 remote is quite good (BTW, it's a learning remote, so I'm programming my DVR and other player to it as well), it has selections for different souces and a slide out tray on the bottom to reveal additional functions.. no matter how good the remotes are (I mean the ones that come with the device, not the ones that are designed for universal use (like the Harmony), you're gonna keep the specialized one around "just in case". Overall, I think it does a good job, I'm sure the next generation or two will be even more integrated.

In the interim, I just put up with my better half rolling her eyes in disgust at all my remotes.
She refuses to learn more than one remote, so I try to make it work so I don't hear her complain. She's quite happy right now with just using the sat remote.. everything turns on, she can use the volume control, change stations and turn it off, thanks to the HDMI control.
post #154 of 17094
Thanks CHP_VR. That's what I wanted to know. Sounds pretty sweet. Really hope I get mine this week.
post #155 of 17094
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Originally Posted by Vonbek777 View Post

Thanks CHP_VR. That's what I wanted to know. Sounds pretty sweet. Really hope I get mine this week.

Do we have a firm answer, or just hopes? Really make me think about a "pre-purchase" more then 2 months ago...
post #156 of 17094
CHP_VR: Thanks for the pics and the heads up, the HDMI control menu looks like my 5080 I have in our bedroom. Very easy to navigate, is the whole system like this or is the menu/GUI different? Doh!! Wait that be the menu for the 51 or your Plasma... Doh!

Thanks.....
post #157 of 17094
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

The HR-21 has one HDMI, one Component, 2 composit/audio (red white yellow), one s-video, ethernet, and coaxial and optical outs. Sorry, "added a toslink to opt1" meant I connected from the optical out of the HR-21 to the optical IN (opt1) of the SC-07.. hope that makes more sense. I also set the SC-07 video conversion to 1080p.

I have the HDMI and Component going into the SC-07 inputs HDMI 1 and Component 2. Max output on the HR-21 via HDMI is 1080i. By using the component, the SC-07 converts the signal to 1080p. The added benifit is if you desire, you can switch from "tv" (now component) to "HDMI1" from the SC-07 remote at will to A/B the quality.. (more to ease your mind then anything else)

Then you program the TV button of the SC-07 to receive video from component 2 and audio from optical input 1. With HDMI control on, when you turn on theTV, it will turn on the SC-07 (if off) and use the settings you programmed (in my case, Component 2 and Opt 1)

Hope that clarifies it a bit, fresno1232001

I think it clarifies it. From my understanding, you cannot connect the cable/sat box via HDMI to the SC-07 unless you also use component cables correct? I really want this receiver but WTF were they thinking? I have Comcast and Direct TV, as a result I would have to have six component cables and two optical cables from these boxes to the receiver as opposed to having only two HDMI cables?
post #158 of 17094
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Originally Posted by patgilm View Post

I think it clarifies it. From my understanding, you cannot connect the cable/sat box via HDMI to the SC-07 unless you also use component cables correct? I really want this receiver but WTF were they thinking? I have Comcast and Direct TV, as a result I would have to have six component cables and two optical cables from these boxes to the receiver as opposed to having only two HDMI cables?

CHP_VR, correct me if I'm wrong. I think you can connect them with just HDMI and you should be able to select your source the normal way in the receiver. You just can't do it from the TV.

HDMI control is a new way to control everything from the TV by sending control signals over the HDMI cable but it apparently doesn't recognize HDMI components that don't specifically support it.
post #159 of 17094
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

Thanks Ken, much appreciated.
I played with it the "tv" function all day Saturday.. With HDMI control, it definitely only outputs to component. HDMI on tv can only be programmed with HDMI control off for that function.
However, I found my workaround to be much more satisfactory! 'cause now instead of settling for 1080i from the Satbox, I can have the SC-07 do the upscaling to 1080p. Still a one wire solution.. I just output the component from the HR-21 to a component input on the SC-07 added a toslink to opt1,and I still have the HDMI plugged in anouther input on the SC-07.. Everything works perfectly and if I want to A/B it, all I do is press the HDMI botton on the SC-07 remote.
For some reason, I guess, they think satbox or cable boxes are non hdmi devices. Blu-ray on the other hand works flawlessly.. it even turns on the TV if it's off when you hit play, and everything switches to the correct i/o... I'm really liking this unit!!

I'm not sure I'm following this. Do you have a picture?

Did you connect HDMI SAT to HDMI Receiver to HDMI TV?
post #160 of 17094
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Originally Posted by catapult View Post

CHP_VR, correct me if I'm wrong. I think you can connect them with just HDMI and you should be able to select your source the normal way in the receiver. You just can't do it from the TV.

HDMI control is a new way to control everything from the TV by sending control signals over the HDMI cable but it apparently doesn't recognize HDMI components that don't specifically support it.

Absolutely correct catapult. HDMI works fine. But the AVR just sees it as another source. It's just not specifically tied in the tv button unless you turn HDMI control off, at which point it can be programmed to the button.
post #161 of 17094
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Originally Posted by tiger3p View Post

I'm not sure I'm following this. Do you have a picture?

Did you connect HDMI SAT to HDMI Receiver to HDMI TV?

hmm.. don't think a picture would help, tiger3p

I ran the HDMI and component on the sat receiver to the SC-07 (HDMI 1 and component 2).
I did this only to allow a one button operation using HDMI CONTROL. If you are not using HDMI control, just one HDMI connection is fine. Just turn on the tv/sat and SC-07..

Remember this was just to test HDMI control.. you can always program your SC-07 remote to Multi-operations.

Page 105 of the manual:
Multi Operation and System Off
The Multi Operation feature allows you to program a
series of up to 5 commands for the components in your
system. For example, you could turn on your TV, turn on
your DVD player and start playing the loaded DVD using
only two buttons on the remote control.
Similar to multi operations, System Off allows you to use
one button to stop and switch off a series of components
in your system at the same time.1

One of the very nice features I've found about this amp is it's versatility..
I liked the idea of HDMI control, so that's the route I chose, and using this particular configuration works for me.
post #162 of 17094
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Originally Posted by patgilm View Post

I think it clarifies it. From my understanding, you cannot connect the cable/sat box via HDMI to the SC-07 unless you also use component cables correct? I really want this receiver but WTF were they thinking? I have Comcast and Direct TV, as a result I would have to have six component cables and two optical cables from these boxes to the receiver as opposed to having only two HDMI cables?

patgilm, not at all, please see above post. This in only one configuration that I use that works for me. Vonbek777 and others had asked for information as to how it worked (HDMI CONTROL).
post #163 of 17094
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

Absolutely correct catapult. HDMI works fine. But the AVR just sees it as another source. It's just not specifically tied in the tv button unless you turn HDMI control on, at which point it can be programmed to the button.

Ok, so to clarify further before I buy this receiver, I can connect my Comcast and Direct TV box directly to the SC-07 and it will function properly (both video and audio), I just cannot control it with the TV, I will have to use the SC-07 remote right? I am starting to feel really stupid b/c I just don't get it.
post #164 of 17094
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Originally Posted by patgilm View Post

Ok, so to clarify further before I buy this receiver, I can connect my Comcast and Direct TV box directly to the SC-07 and it will function properly (both video and audio), I just cannot control it with the TV, I will have to use the SC-07 remote right? I am starting to feel really stupid b/c I just don't get it.

Absolutely! Works great. You can input your boxes to any of the programmable inputs. I was just playing with more obscure features using HDMI CONTROL. Don't feel stupid, this is a brand new full featured unit. Half the fun is learning about it. I'm loving it!

Remember there is always "Multi-operation" from the remote.. too

excerpt from page 105 of the manual:

1 While pressing MULTI OPERATION, press HOME
MENU.
The remote LCD display shows SETUP.
2 Use / to select MULTI OP or SYS OFF from the
menu and press ENTER.
If you selected Multi Operation (MULTI OP), the LCD on
the remote prompts you for an input source button.
If you selected System Off (SYS OFF), go to step 4.
3 Press the input source button for the component
that will start the multi-operation, then press ENTER.
For example, if you want to start the sequence by
switching on your DVD player, press DVD.
4 Use / to select CODE EDT, then press ENTER.
To erase any previously stored multi-operations (or
shutdown sequences) select CODE ERS above.
5 Use / to select a command in the sequence, then
press ENTER.
If this is the first command in the sequence, select 1ST
CODE. Otherwise, simply choose the next command in
the sequence. PRES KEY flashes after you press ENTER.
6 If necessary, press the input source button for the
component whose command you want to input.
This is only necessary if the command is for a new
component (input source).
7 Select the button for the command you want to
input.
The following remote control commands can be selected:
You don't need to program the receiver to switch on
or off. This is done automatically.
post #165 of 17094
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

The HR-21 has one HDMI,

I have the same Satellite receiver. What I don't currently have is the 07 or the 05.

Are you saying that I'm not going to be able to hook up my Satellite receiver via HDMI to the 07 or the 05?
post #166 of 17094
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Originally Posted by Thebarnman View Post

I have the same Satellite receiver. What I don't currently have is the 07 or the 05.

Are you saying that I'm not going to be able to hook up my Satellite receiver via HDMI to the 07 or the 05?

Not at all, don't know where you got that but I apoligize is that's what you interpreted from me. You can hook your HR-21 via HDMI, composite, S-video, or component.. it doesn't care... I was only showing one way of connecting it for HDMI CONTROL. I'm using HDMI and I'm using component
post #167 of 17094
It will be clear when I have all the hardware right in front of me, I have my white gloves on and the A/C on max, with good bright lights on too. I am saving what you and others have said here. Many thanks.

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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

The HR-21 has one HDMI, one Component, 2 composit/audio (red white yellow), one s-video, ethernet, and coaxial and optical outs. Sorry, "added a toslink to opt1" meant I connected from the optical out of the HR-21 to the optical IN (opt1) of the SC-07.. hope that makes more sense. I also set the SC-07 video conversion to 1080p.

I have the HDMI and Component going into the SC-07 inputs HDMI 1 and Component 2. Max output on the HR-21 via HDMI is 1080i. By using the component, the SC-07 converts the signal to 1080p. The added benifit is if you desire, you can switch from "tv" (now component) to "HDMI1" from the SC-07 remote at will to A/B the quality.. (more to ease your mind then anything else)

Then you program the TV button of the SC-07 to receive video from component 2 and audio from optical input 1. With HDMI control on, when you turn on theTV, it will turn on the SC-07 (if off) and use the settings you programmed (in my case, Component 2 and Opt 1)

Hope that clarifies it a bit, fresno1232001
post #168 of 17094
Ok, thanks. I'm doing my best to eliminate a lot of wires and HDMI cables seem to do a really nice job of doing that.

So now it seems to be as simple as I thought.

One HDMI wire from BD51 to SC-05
One HDMI wire from Satellite reciver to SC-05
One HDMI wire from Xbox 360 Elite to SC-05
One HDMI wire from SC-05 to 151FD.
post #169 of 17094
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Originally Posted by Thebarnman View Post

Ok, thanks. I'm doing my best to eliminate a lot of wires and HDMI cables seem to do a really nice job of doing that.

So now it seems to be as simple as I thought.

One HDMI wire from BD51 to SC-05
One HDMI wire from Satellite reciver to SC-05
One HDMI wire from Xbox 360 Elite to SC-05
One HDMI wire from SC-05 to 151FD.

Sounds cool, Thebarnman! Any word on when your receiver is due? Lots of people waiting on comparisions between the SC-05 and SC-07!
post #170 of 17094
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

Absolutely! Works great. You can input your boxes to any of the programmable inputs. I was just playing with more obscure features using HDMI CONTROL. Don't feel stupid, this is a brand new full featured unit. Half the fun is learning about it. I'm loving it!

Great, thanks for clarifying. One more question, is there any way to pass a signal through the receiver via HDMI without having to go through the processor in the SC-07? So for instance, if I eventually get a nice projector with a Genum processor or something like that, would I be able to send the signal from the Pioneer 05fd source directly through the SC-07 to the projector to have the projector do the processing?
post #171 of 17094
I pre-ordered the SC-07 from one of the forum sponsors and am told it's expected in this week. This will be my first HT. I have a new set of KEF 3005SE waiting to hook up with 12 gauge wire in an 18x12 room. It will be impossible to position the speakers in any semblance of symmetry. I have just read that regardless of physical placement, the speaker wire should be the same length from receiver to all speakers to avoid losing/distorting surround effects. Can I assume that MCACC takes care of this or is it still recommended to keep the wire lengths equal. Thanks.
post #172 of 17094
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Originally Posted by fubarman3 View Post

Just a couple quick notes . . .

The heat coming from the amp, I would assume, is normal. I'm probably making something out of nothing.

Also, a question regarding the LFE on the front display. The "((( )))" surrounding the LFE flash on and off (with all sources), which I assume is normal, but it can be somewhat distracting. Is this to be expected?

Finally, regarding the the Ipod USB input, the manual states that the IPhone is not compatible with unit, yet I was able to connect my IPhone and listen to music with no problem.

They probably were afraid if they said compatible, people would be calling into tech support wondering why they couldn't receive or make calls from the AVR j/k
Glad it works, fubarman3, that is good information! Is it controllable through the HMG via the remote?
Does it work as advertised for the iPod in the manual?
post #173 of 17094
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Originally Posted by patgilm View Post

Great, thanks for clarifying. One more question, is there any way to pass a signal through the receiver via HDMI without having to go through the processor in the SC-07? So for instance, if I eventually get a nice projector with a Genum processor or something like that, would I be able to send the signal from the Pioneer 05fd source directly through the SC-07 to the projector to have the projector do the processing?

Absolutely.. with HDMI to HDMI there is no processing, it's straight through.

via a video component other than HDMI to HDMI, you can set output to "THROUGH" and no processing is done.

I send the BDP-51FD output from the SC-07 to the TV that way (HDMI to HDMI). What is output from the blu-ray is untouched by the SC-07 on it's way to the TV.
couple of pictures are here showing plasma and blu-ray output and another here showing input source and output at 1080p/24. I think you will really really like how the SC-07 integrates with your BDP-05FD.
post #174 of 17094
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Originally Posted by jjavs View Post

I pre-ordered the SC-07 from one of the forum sponsors and am told it's expected in this week. This will be my first HT. I have a new set of KEF 3005SE waiting to hook up with 12 gauge wire in an 18x12 room. It will be impossible to position the speakers in any semblance of symmetry. I have just read that regardless of physical placement, the speaker wire should be the same length from receiver to all speakers to avoid losing/distorting surround effects. Can I assume that MCACC takes care of this or is it still recommended to keep the wire lengths equal. Thanks.

Ideally, that would be great.. but I don't think very many of us are lucky to have symetrical setups like that... I know mine is not. I think you will be pleasantly suprised with just using the MCACC setup.. you can fine tune it if you need to from there. Others here are more experienced with this and hopefully will offer better information.

Congratulations on your soon to arrive SC-07! Hope you will share your experiences with it here. We need more owners sharing information. Have fun!
post #175 of 17094
Well, I just ordered: sc-07/bdp-05fd, my room addition is supposed to be done in 2 weeks, trying to time it right, so I have it when the addition is done. I know i'll probably get it sooner, cuz I ordered it thru the pioneer employee direct sales site, I emailed them last week, and they said they were getting their next batch in on Aug 22nd. Cant wait, i hope to be able to contribute to this topic soon. Thanks CHP for all your info.

-Mike
post #176 of 17094
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Originally Posted by mikedege View Post

Well, I just ordered: sc-07/bdp-05fd, my room addition is supposed to be done in 2 weeks, trying to time it right, so I have it when the addition is done. I know i'll probably get it sooner, cuz I ordered it thru the pioneer employee direct sales site, I emailed them last week, and they said they were getting their next batch in on Aug 22nd. Cant wait, i hope to be able to contribute to this topic soon. Thanks CHP for all your info.

-Mike

Way cool, Mike! From what I'm reading in the 51/05 threads, the BDP-05FD is a beauty! Hope we hear about it with your new SC-07 soon. ESPECIALLY with that new home media room... it's gonna be awesome! I hate you. What kind of display are you going to be using? I think you mentioned a PRO-151FD? if so, that's gonna be one sweet setup!
post #177 of 17094
Yes, I was able to operate my IPhone through the remote via HMG. And yes, it does work as specified as in the manual - seemingly the same as an Ipod Touch.

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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

They probably were afraid if they said compatible, people would be calling into tech support wondering why they couldn't receive or make calls from the AVR j/k
Glad it works, fubarman3, that is good information! Is it controllable through the HMG via the remote?
Does it work as advertised for the iPod in the manual?
post #178 of 17094
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

Sounds cool, Thebarnman! Any word on when your receiver is due? Lots of people waiting on comparisions between the SC-05 and SC-07!

I'm looking to buy the SC-05 more towards the end of this year. Even if I had one today, I don't see how I could help with a comparison between that and the SC-07.

I "think" the difference in amp power between the sc-05 and sc-07 is 10 Watts. I challenge anyone to be able to hear the difference between wattage between those two receivers! So power alone is not worth buying the sc-07 compared to the sc-05.

There's an extra HDMI input. (3 VS 4)? I know I don't need it.

Ok, there's this little thing about the D/A converters being of a certain type for CD playback and maybe for all digital audio playback. Depending on if that's really important for you, that alone might be worth the extra money. But I don't know if anyone would be able to hear the difference between that and "regular" D/A converters.

Someone else might be able to tell us what the differences are as far as the digital audio is concerned.
post #179 of 17094
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

Way cool, Mike! From what I'm reading in the 51/05 threads, the BDP-05FD is a beauty! Hope we hear about it with your new SC-07 soon. ESPECIALLY with that new home media room... it's gonna be awesome! I hate you. What kind of display are you going to be using? I think you mentioned a PRO-151FD? if so, that's gonna be one sweet setup!

thanks, and yes, it is the PRO-151FD, I cant wait. Got the new room all wired up 7.1, drywall is going in today. And btw, I hate you for living @ the beach, so were even! hehehe...

-Mike
post #180 of 17094
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Originally Posted by Thebarnman View Post

Ok, thanks. I'm doing my best to eliminate a lot of wires and HDMI cables seem to do a really nice job of doing that.

So now it seems to be as simple as I thought.

One HDMI wire from BD51 to SC-05
One HDMI wire from Satellite reciver to SC-05
One HDMI wire from Xbox 360 Elite to SC-05
One HDMI wire from SC-05 to 151FD.


Cool...you almost have the same setup that I will have shortly. I have the Pro-151, the SC-05 and the BDP-51 coming in about 3 weeks when our house is finished. The only difference is I will have Verizon FiOS for TV. Are you happy with everything so far?
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