Official Pioneer SC-05 and SC-07 Owners Thread - Page 503

hi
sorry to bother you but can you help me with my sc-05 ... i hit the stereo button on the sc-05 remote by mistake while i was watching tv thought recever...
which is also marked menu and the sc-05 showed me a amp-err0r on its display and shut down i can't get is to power up and when i looked on the manual it said not to power up and call pioneer
please help if you can

If I understand what you're saying correctly, just hitting the stereo button by itself wouldn't cause the amp to shut down, unless the volume was very high and caused an amp overload situation OR unless the input signal from TV was too high.

I don't have any experience personally with this error - never encountered an amp shutdown in any of the 3 Elite receivers I've owned. But others here have seen it, some have reported it after a power surge. Some have had to send it in for service menu reset or repair. But I think some have tried a "soft" reset to clear the error & gotten it to work again.

Please read this post from CHP_VR in its entirety in this thread & see if this describes your situation and if you want to proceed before calling Pioneer:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post16754063

From the post, you can try the following soft reset first & see if that clears the error and allows the amp to come up again.

"you can "release" the error by pressing the "down arrow" and the "zone 2 on/off" for 2 seconds"

Before attempting this reset, I'd also recommend -

1. Disconnecting the power cord & just let receiver set for 15-20 minutes

2. Make sure ALL speaker wiring is intact, that there are NO bare wires touching the chassis or hanging out over the receiver's speaker jacks. Even the slightest short could result in amp shutdown.

If this reset doesn't work, then the post describes how to go into the service menu. Going into the service menu is not for beginners since it controls all the receiver's functionality - it's what the repair guys do in the service centers. If you decide to try it, use caution & it's at your risk. Some here have done it with success; there are links to their results.

Hopefully, some of the ones who worked thru this error can give you additional help.

ss9001
Steve

Not quite sure what happened in your situation. Are you saying that the remote won't respond? Or, that it does respond, but you can't change anything on the SC 05?

If it's displaying "amp error" (admmitedly, something I've never seen) and you can't get it to respond to any input, the I would agree that you should call Pioneer support to get their take on it.

EDIT....sorry, I see Steve beat me to it while I was looking for the "reset" process.

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I mentioned that to him early on in a list of troubleshooting tips. No word whether he tried that or not.
At the time I made that post, it made sense that it could be the issue because it's happened to me

But now his comments that there's nothing from the receiver's own menu indicates its the receiver.
Troubleshooting can be fun

ss9001

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Yes, they really do need to try another player, HDMI cable and another input.
If all fails, it's most likely the board in the SC-05.

I have a number of high (well upper) end electronics in my HT set-up w/an SC-07 that annoys the pi$$ out of me.

I can't decide which A/V component is the weakest link: my SC-07 or TW cable box.

If I end up buying another AVR it won't be from Pioneer.

Poor customer service with a trend towards 2nd rate electronics.

I may as well go with a Samsung HT-AS730ST.

My father tried different output resolutions on the BDP-51F but it did not matter. The SC-05 was double boxed today and my father dropped it off at Kinko's which is now Fed Ex Office. It will ship tomorrow and be at United Radio which is located in Syracuse (should only take 1 day to get there). I will post back when he receives it and give you the diagnosis.

Thanks to all who aided me in troubleshooting this problem. BTW, the SC-05 & BDP-51F were working great for the past 3 months. I usually hang around in the Blu-ray deals discussion and Oppo BDP-83 thread. I myself own a Denon AVR-3808CI

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Sorry it came to that, but at least you confirmed which component was the problem & it'll get fixed. Keep us posted how it turns out when he gets it back

ss9001

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I've just completed my DIY speakers, CC = Zaph's ZD3C , F mains = Natalie P's, subwoofer SVS 12" driver and finally a couple of after market surrounds from the EnergyTake5 series. It sounds really well for movie playback after doing MCAAC as it set my CC and Mains to Large with a 80 xo point. But there's practically no bass output either from the sub or CC or the mains when I use the sc-05 FM Tuner. What settings do I change to get more bass as I'm really missing it using the tuner. You could say I got spoiled listening to the deep bass when playing dvd's.

I did a MCAAC 2 with a xo at 50hz but still practically no bass at all in FM tuner mode. I've never used a recv'r to listen to music before as I was strictly HT but now that I have a sc-05 I'd like to use the tuner feature.

Could be a stupid question but I only started to realize this recently. When I watch TV sometimes a ridiculously loud commercial will come on (like 5 times louder than normal). While I know all commercials are output at different volume levels the weird thing is how the receiver handles it. Sometimes I will hit the volume down button on the remote once and it will cut the volume down to normal.

Why does that happen? Shouldn't the volume lower evenly with each volume down hit regardless of of how loud the source is?

I have an SC-05 and it only happens with commercials.

Thanks.

hello
thank you for trying to help me with my sc-05 but none of the idears helped so i called pioneer and they told me not to worry and that i was covered for parts and labor and they gave me the names and addresses of the 3 closest
people that fix pioneer amps ..
i called all 3 and tha time frame was 2 weeks to 6 weeks to fix it..but i didn't want to wait so i went to best buy because i bought the sc-05 on nov.22
and i was still in the 30 day warranty .. but best buy didn't have any more
sc-05s left but had a brand new sc-07 which only cost me $140 extra
yes i am set for the holidays. thank you for your help

Try keeping crossover at 80 but change all speakers to small.

I had it setup that way before I redid MCAAC(no joy) but I'll make the changes and report back. It has something to do with my setup and I'm a greenhorn in these things

thank you for the reponse

as to my bass output problem I've got a couple of questions,
1) I've read from some link on the 1st page of this thread that if I set the front main speakers to small the Pio won't send any freq. lower than 100hz or something to that effect to the Front Mains if I were to set the xo's to 80hz or 50hz settings(or was it 80hz). Is this correct?

2) since my sub is connected to the output of the Pio LFE port, does the sub rec'v any signals while I'm in the FM tuner mode? I ask this because I was under the impression that the output of the Pio tuner is in Stereo mode meaning it's going to the 2 Front main speakers and not the LFE.

still learning here

and if #2 is the case of me not having bass output with the recv'rs tuner mode then it'd be my speaker wiring setup, correct? so, if the source signal is only going to the front mains then i'd have to find a way to split the recv'rs output to the FM's to the sub's left/right inputs? I don't think my sub has by-pass output terminals to connect to the FM's.

edit: I've also did a fast read on the other links there of a special hookup for Definitive Tech Mythos, should that be the way to hookup my FM's for deep bass in stereo mode? and would that be okay for HT use? Supposedly my DIY speakers are tuned to the mid 30hz's so I would think it could handle a xo at 50hz which I don't think is being heard out of them.

I think I'm catching on here, could it be the FM tuner signal is an analog signal feed to the front main speakers and nothing is being directed to the LFE channel(subwoofer)?

I've changed the MCACC xo to 80hz, front main/center channel to small and it did not have an effect when using the tuner section.

^^^^ pochoboy, if you set your front speakers to Small, the bass below the crossover point you chose will be sent to the subwoofer, unless you are using an analog source and have chosen Pure Direct. FM is analog, so that would apply to FM.

If you are not a stereo purist, use another option (I prefer Neural THX with FM) and your sub should work fine.

I just hook up additional 2 more speakers with my current 5.1 setup to become 7.1. After hook up I see my receiver 05 still only display 5.1 speaker setup in left corner window, I even change to THX mode but nothing change even I can heard sound from all 4 surround when I watch movie. I don’t know it is normal or what. Can any help me?
Thanks

Supposedly, because the 5.1 channels are being matrixed to 7.1.
Therefore, you will not see the extra channels in the display unless you are playing a true 7.1 soundtrack.

^^^^^ Or to put it another way, the front panel display shows input from the source, not output to the speakers. You won't see a 7.1 indication very often, because there are very few true 7.1 discs available.

mcfan,

thank you for the suggestions. Yes, I do hear the subwoofer now but its at a really low level compared to my Mains. I think these Nat P's are really Bright(think thats the right term) and is at a higher output level than my subwoofer. I tried bumping up the subs gain via the subs plate amp but still the mains over powers it. I seen a setting in the manual MCACC that can attenuate the highs and I tried it but it takes away some things I want to hear. My only other alternative in adjusting the subwoofer output would be to change the speaker level(subwoofer's) in the advance MCACC, but do I have to run the level test again to access the adjustment?

Oh well, Thank You!!

ps I'm learning, finding out that using the Manual MCACC that adjusting the speakers to large/small will also affect the different MCACC memories as well. I'm trying not to get confused here, so it seems the MCACC settings for one memory,will mimick the "speaker setting" and "Thx audio setting" and maybe some other settings on the other 5 MCACC memory settings.

I think I have to take the time to read the manual, hahaha, but still its hard to grasp what does what at times. I thought a MCACC memory was independant from the others but I find its not totally so when making adustment to one affects the other memories.

^^^^ pochoboy, I don't know what you have changed, but I'd suggest you go back to square one. Return to factory settings, then run MCACC. Then change the front speakers to Small manually (MCACC almost always sets them to Large). MCACC will make the necessary adjustments for the differences in efficiency between your various speakers, including the sub. You don't have to compensate for that.

People who haven't used a receiver that performs room EQ before often say the bass seems to be lacking. That's because almost everyone sets their bass too high if they do it "by ear." Or they have become accustomed to the boom introduced by standing waves that MCACC attempts to control.

Try listening to the system flat (the way MCACC sets it) for a few days before tinkering with the settings. Once their ears adjust, most people begin to hear subtle details in the rest of the spectrum they never heard before. You can always change your settings later if you don't begin to like what you hear after giving "flat" a fair trial.

Set your the receiver to subwoofer + and see what happens. That should bring more bass to the sub.

shiva, where could I find the subwoofer + setting?

Mcfan, I did a reset of the recv'r and ran MCACC and it does sound better, of course I set the speakers to small and the xo was already set to 80hz and changed nothing else. Looks like MCACC set THX sub andTHX Loudness Plus

Thank you for the support

12-16-09. This is a great group. I've been lurking here quite awhile. Got a SC-05 in Sept 09. Great unit. Just recently added a new Samsung plasma, pair of rear speakers to upgrade to 7.1 and bluray. While doing the auto speaker calibration set up the center channel did not show up! Center worked fine during intial auto speaker calibration few month back. No error codes ever showed up since. Checked speaker wiring. Swapped speakers. Speaker and wires OK. Performed reset as described in this group. Finally noticed the center channel did have output during white noise manual speaker setup, but was about -30 dB lower output than the other channels. Auto setup would not recognize and manually adjusting to +10dB could only barely hear if I turned volume way up. Ready to take in for service but do not want to be without during the holidays. Not having center channel is annoying. Any ideas.

1-8-10 Update. After calling Pioneer tech support I took the SC-05 into a authorized repair shop under the one year warranty. The wife was suprised at the speaker sound from the TV compared to the AVR. Kinda sounded like from a telephone in a can! Tip for anyone taking their AVR in for service take the remote control! Shop agrees problem is with the AVR not the user! Shop has a call into Pioneer. Shop can not diagonsoe down to the componet level and Pioneer will probably not authorize a replacement board. Seems they do not like to send boards. We will see what happens. If pioneer will not supply board then is the AVR totaled? Time to read the fine print on the Pioneer warranty and on the Best Buy extended warranty!

1.23.10 Update. Got AVR back from repair. Pioneer reluctantly approvred and shipped new ICE Amp Assy AWH7015. Great to have it back. Also replace subwoofer speaker and plate amp. Huge difference in sound. Also noted receiver runs substaintally cooler. Before AVR emitted lots of heat even with no back and the doors open. I had plans of installing a fan. Thought it was normal. but now even when pushing hard it is still cool on top of the AVR. Amp was problably bad from the start.

Thank you, I wasn't able to select the "PLUS" setting until I changed my Front Mains to "Large". There was no notation that you needed to do this to be able to change the SW options. You'd have to look at the pic "4 x 2 Speker Settings" and change the "Front" to "Large" otherwise if the Front is set to "Small" the option is grayed out and the cursor will skip the option. I'm learning, I'll try listening to the flat setup for a week and try the SW plus latter on.

To all that responded, THANK YOU!!!

edit: what is meant by a "4 x 2 speaker setup" ?

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pochoboy,

Hope this helps, but if you think about it, setting the fronts to small automatically means the sub is used for bass < Xover setting. That's why Plus is grayed out. The sub is already in use.

When fronts are set to large, then they will reproduce all bass, ignoring the xover. When set to large, the sub will not reproduce bass for the fronts, only the center & surrounds set to small. So Plus makes sense then, adding the sub to the bass output from your fronts. That's why you can select it now.

Confusing, but you'll get the hang of it

"what is meant by a "4 x 2 speaker setup"?

It's not "4 x 2", those are the diagram numbers for the 1st screen & the next screen - "4a" & "4a2". Think figure 1a & figure 1b

ss9001