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post #1591 of 17094
nismo, i really think it's room/seating position dependent...

since the objective of bgc is to normalize the bass response due to room gain, imo, having it on when needed actually gives you more of the "true signal"...

to be honest, i don't get caught up a lot in the "true signal" stuff... imo, what sounds the best IS the best...
post #1592 of 17094
Thread Starter 
Good question, NismoZ...

per the manual:

Boundary Gain Compensation
Depending on the listener's and the subwoofer's position, the listener
may experience an excessive bass effect. This feature compensates
excessive bass resulting from a boundary gain effect. This feature
designed to operate when used with a subwoofer certified to THX
Ultra2 specifications
.

THX says this about it.

"If you are sitting too close to a room boundary (or wall) your perception of the low frequencies is exaggerated. However, with the THX BGC filter applied to all output channels, the bass is equalized resulting in more true and accurate bass response"

Here's an AVSForum thread, with proponents and naysayers..

I guess like ccotenj says: "imo, what sounds the best IS the best... "

I'm gonna try it just to see.. Thanks! Another button to play with
post #1593 of 17094
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

I'm gonna try it just to see.. Thanks! Another button to play with

playing with all the buttons is what makes getting a new avr fun...
post #1594 of 17094
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

to be honest, i don't get caught up a lot in the "true signal" stuff... imo, what sounds the best IS the best...

Prior to the SC-05 I was a true signal guy, always have been. For music I'm still sticking to that, but I'm processing the movie sounds from all sorts of angles.

THX loudness, on. BGC on. X-curve on.

Although after reading that brief thread about BGC, meh, maybe I should stop being a wuss and devote some other project time to playing with the sub EQ.

Then again if the BGC really is just a shelving filter, and the house curve set up in my EQ is the problem, then technically, while I'm overly processing the bass, in the end I've probably come back to a pretty flat Sub, or one with a smaller house curve.

Honestly, if the test movies don't exhibit the overbass, I'll probably wait awhile before taking the time to perfect it. If the sound is good for the movie, then the sound is good, I don't care if it's being processed through grandma's apple pie.
post #1595 of 17094
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Then again if the BGC really is just a shelving filter, and the house curve set up in my EQ is the problem, then technically, while I'm overly processing the bass, in the end I've probably come back to a pretty flat Sub, or one with a smaller house curve.

Ah! The house curve thing (shelved up low bass) isn't as popular now as it once was. I think, back in the day, it was just making up for other shortcomings in the system. But, whatever sounds good is whatever sounds good.
post #1596 of 17094
can't disagree with any of that devin... i'm still trying to decide what i like best for movies... i think it will be awhile before i figure it out...

you have more patience than i... i can't deal with sub eq'ing... i got an anti-mode and called it a day...

i DO like mcacc though... it works wonders in my room... along with some (ok, a LOT ) of playing with speaker positioning and seating, i think i'm FINALLY happy with the way music sounds (at least for now)... i'm listening to the essential simon and garfunkel right now, and it's like they are right there on the stage in front of me... paul and art sound like they are standing next to each other, rather than on top of each other...
post #1597 of 17094
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Originally Posted by catapult View Post

Ah! The house curve thing (shelved up low bass) isn't as popular now as it once was. I think, back in the day, it was just making up for other shortcomings in the system. But, whatever sounds good is whatever sounds good.

ugh... stuff like that makes my brain hurt...

i remember when i got the bright idea i was going to try to use rew and bfd... i had to read wayne's articles on house curves about a thousand times before they finally penetrated my hard head...
post #1598 of 17094
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by j0n0 View Post

Thanks for the info on that...I guess I will have to check out the sheets. I have seen the one's listed on the site here...but thought there were some missing when I did the compare on the Pioneer site.

So do both the SC-05 and SC-07 have a media gallery accessible via Ethernet? Or is the SC-05's Ethernet functionality "disabled"?

Both have HGM and ethernet capability for connection to your media server or internet radio. No functions disabled.
Both are GREAT units.
You may want to look at the manual (link on page 1), j0n0. It's the same manual for both and any differences will be noted.
post #1599 of 17094
On the SC-07 (don't have one yet), reading the owners guide, portions about HDCP and DVI or HDMI... It is basically saying I can't hook my HTPC up as an HDMI input if I am reading correctly, as, it would not support HDCP. It is an integral part of my system. The SC-07 would be useless to me if I can't hook up a key device to it.

But, perhaps I am reading more into the manual than is there. Can anyone confirm a HTPC without HDCP works as an input via HDMI, and, the output of the HTPC can be viewed on a monitor attached to the SC-07 via HDMI?
post #1600 of 17094
Here are a couple of pics of my wifes iPod with the DLO dock hooked up to the SC-05. Also a pic of the fan I just finished installing on the credenza for the SC-05, don't mind the fingerprints on the 05, I had just finished. You can rest assure that it is clean now.






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post #1601 of 17094
nice juan... your pics came out better than mine...

gotta take the sticker off though....

those two pictures next to the door? old family pics? i remember pictures like that from way back in the day at my grandparents house... i can't tell well enough from your pics, but they look like "old time period" dress...
post #1602 of 17094
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

nice juan... your pics came out better than mine...

gotta take the sticker off though....

those two pictures next to the door? old family pics? i remember pictures like that from way back in the day at my grandparents house... i can't tell well enough from your pics, but they look like "old time period" dress...


Yes, the stickers have to come out, but I wanted to make sure first that the 05 was a keeper, and it is.. My wife is into the old victorian look, so you are correct.
post #1603 of 17094
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

Both have HGM and ethernet capability for connection to your media server or internet radio. No functions disabled.
Both are GREAT units.
You may want to look at the manual (link on page 1), j0n0. It's the same manual for both and any differences will be noted.

Hey, Thanks again. I guess that online "compare" on the Pioneer Website is bunk.
post #1604 of 17094
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Originally Posted by j0n0 View Post

Hey, Thanks again. I guess that online "compare" on the Pioneer Website is bunk.

yes. it's worse than worthless.

none of the ce's seem to be able to do this right. why, i don't know. hard to believe, since it's not that difficult.
post #1605 of 17094
the 07 decode a PURE signal dsd from a hdmi port ????

how is indicate in the display??

thanx!!!
post #1606 of 17094
Im trying to figure out how to get the sticker off without scratching the door
post #1607 of 17094
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Im trying to figure out how to get the sticker off without scratching the door

Get a blowdryer and heat up the sticker a little bit, it should peel right off after that.
post #1608 of 17094
I am getting a lot of connection failures (file not found, server error, wrong format) and drops using the interenet radio functions and accessing my home music collection (hardwired ethernet connection). These failures do not occur if, instead of going thru the sc-07, I go straight to my pdp 150pro and then back to the sc-07 via optical cable (of course then I do not have access to internet radio but I do pick up video). Are others having similar problems? Has there been a f/w update to the Sc-0x family that anyone knows of? Thanx.

(I mistakenly put this in the general thread and am moving it here.)
post #1609 of 17094
On the BGC front. Ew, no. After running some test discs through, it solved the overbass moments by eliminating the bass.

So I've turned the THX sub to No and dialed the SW down from +8.5 to +7.0. One day, seriously, life will allow me to sit down and really solve the problem. I'm starting to wonder if I don't have a null or at least a dip at the MCACC test freq and so the sub is just a litttle hot.

So much guessing when an hour or two of freq testing would solve it all lol.
post #1610 of 17094
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Originally Posted by xsi View Post

the 07 decode a PURE signal dsd from a hdmi port ????

how is indicate in the display??

thanx!!!


Yes it does...

It says SACD on the display when it receives the stream and then there is an indicator light on the upper left that says "DSD>PCM."
post #1611 of 17094
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Yes it does...

It says SACD on the display when it receives the stream and then there is an indicator light on the upper left that says "DSD>PCM."


but I do not want that sound in PCM

I wish that signal into 2.8224 MHz in analog... like the Denon for example

Is this possible?

appears on the display 2.8224 MHz ???


thanks!!
post #1612 of 17094
Please tell me, how has the "THX Loudness Plus" been working. Everyone with the Denon's are raving about the Dynamic Volume/EQ. Does the THX version stand up to Audyssey's? Do tell....Thanks
post #1613 of 17094
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Originally Posted by jqmn View Post

I am getting a lot of connection failures (file not found, server error, wrong format) and drops using the interenet radio functions and accessing my home music collection (hardwired ethernet connection). Has there been a f/w update to the Sc-0x family that anyone knows of? Thanx.

I was playing with the internet radio on my 07 over the weekend and noticed the exact same thing. It will play for awhile then the buffer drops from 100 to 30 and the audio will stop. I've tried different stations as well as the podcasts and it all does the same thing. With some stations I do get the file not found also. I even tried different switches in my room but still get the same thing. Im running a dedicated 100 meg fiber line into my house, so I know I have the connection speed, any feedback on this would be helpful.

Edit: I also sent this inquiry into Pioneer support and will see what they come back with for an answer.
post #1614 of 17094
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Originally Posted by Sherardp View Post

I was playing with the internet radio on my 07 over the weekend and noticed the exact same thing. It will play for awhile then the buffer drops from 100 to 30 and the audio will stop. I've tried different stations as well as the podcasts and it all does the same thing. With some stations I do get the file not found also. I even tried different switches in my room but still get the same thing. Im running a dedicated 100 meg fiber line into my house, so I know I have the connection speed, any feedback on this would be helpful.

Edit: I also sent this inquiry into Pioneer support and will see what they come back with for an answer.

Given my success with the same connection to the display/tv with HMG (unplug sc-07/plug pro150hd) it would appear to me to be a problem with the sc-07. I'll call CS tomorrow and we'll see what they say...
post #1615 of 17094
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Originally Posted by xsi View Post

but I do not want that sound in PCM

I wish that signal into 2.8224 MHz in analog... like the Denon for example

Is this possible?

appears on the display 2.8224 MHz ???

How are you supposed to run bass management and speaker delay without conversion into PCM?

There is no direct DSD to DAC mode on the unit... you get 88.2kHz and SACD on the front display when feeding a DSD stream.

I can tell you that the best SACD I've heard is from my launch PS3, which converts to PCM...

Not to discount your desires, but I wouldn't get too hung up on PCM conversion... the audible benefits the SC's offer over the Denon's greatly outweigh any reservations I'd have about DSD direct.

If you want to stay mad () go ahead... I think those feelings will only be amplified when you hear how the Denon sounds in comparison to these units.
post #1616 of 17094
thank but but I do not want any manipulation in the sound DSD

the susano can decode a DSD signal without convert in PCM

the sc-07 Can we not???
post #1617 of 17094
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Originally Posted by xsi View Post

thank but but I do not want any manipulation in the sound DSD

the susano can decode a DSD signal without convert in PCM

the sc-07 Can we not???

No, it can not... I've had a Susano and once again, I don't think the PCM conversion sounds any different.

I have a room that needs bass management and delay, so a direct path isn't that important to me... and I'm pretty picky about audio, if you didn't know.

As I said earlier, I've had multiple Denons and Pioneers (5308 and 4308 Denon's and the SC-09 and now SC-07..)

If sound quality is paramount for you, the Pioneer is the way to go. Unless you have a room that has amazing acoustics (that requires no AVR based EQ, time alignment or bass management) with some pretty esoteric speakers and amps, I don't think you'd hear a difference in the DSD stream with any of these receivers... and if you're looking at these receivers, at these price points, I doubt you're into exotic, golden ear equipment..

As I am fond of saying, sounds good=is good.. how we get there most of the time is relatively unimportant.

Just my .02.
post #1618 of 17094
thaks filmmixer... thanks for your opinion

A final push.....

1º i have a 5.1 set dynaudio focus (4ohm) I will have problems with the ICEPOWER amplification

2º How would you rate the sound in cinema? mean in comparison with other (denon, onkyo, marantz, etc.)

3º the pioneer show the information on the lcd?? the volumen for example

thanks again
post #1619 of 17094
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Sherardp View Post

I was playing with the internet radio on my 07 over the weekend and noticed the exact same thing. It will play for awhile then the buffer drops from 100 to 30 and the audio will stop. I've tried different stations as well as the podcasts and it all does the same thing. With some stations I do get the file not found also. I even tried different switches in my room but still get the same thing. Im running a dedicated 100 meg fiber line into my house, so I know I have the connection speed, any feedback on this would be helpful.

Edit: I also sent this inquiry into Pioneer support and will see what they come back with for an answer.

Let us know what they say...
I've not had any problems on mine yet.. I'm running wireless with an AP Client with my PRO-110FD, HR-21, and SC-07 all connected.. (granted, I don't use it all the time).
The only rebuffering I've experienced is when accessing international stations.
Does it happen all the time? Does it happen when you access your home media server music?
post #1620 of 17094
Thread Starter 
Juan, thanks for the pictures! Looks like an awesome system
Great to see pictures with the iPod
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