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post #16561 of 17039
2/9/11 at 12:36pm
first off, are you using Direct sound? Meaning, it automatically plays whatever is input in the native format?
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post #16562 of 17039
2/9/11 at 12:40pm
imo, the subwoofer needs to be integrated better... judging from your post, you've got some pretty good peaks in the "boom boom" zone, and nulls/other issues as well...

this can be accomplished by moving it around, trapping, adding external eq, etc.

bumping up the trim shouldn't be necessary, although some do like to do it for movies to give them more of a "boom boom" experience...
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post #16563 of 17039
2/9/11 at 12:45pm
when playing music I have tried to play with the buttons on the remote: AUTO/DIRECT and also with STEREO/A.L.C for the most part I end up with AUTO.
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post #16564 of 17039
2/9/11 at 12:47pm
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Originally Posted by olilugo View Post

when playing music I have tried to play with the buttons on the remote: AUTO/DIRECT and also with STEREO/A.L.C for the most part I end up with AUTO.

I myself just use Stereo mode. And PLIIX for movies
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post #16565 of 17039
2/9/11 at 12:48pm
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Originally Posted by muad'dib View Post

I found with music, I have to turn up my sub level 3db louder than for movies. My movies sub level is set to 75db.

So I just saved the music sub level as memory 2, and movie sub level with memory 1.

The 3db increase made 2 channel sound from thin muddy to rich deep.

I have hear of this before I just don't get how to really do it and once i do it how do I move from one MCACC setting to another.
I am assuming I need to use the MCACC button on the remote, how to put it there I don't know... I have tried to spend conciderable time reading about MCACC but at one point or another I get lost...
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post #16566 of 17039
2/9/11 at 12:58pm
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Originally Posted by olilugo View Post


I have hear of this before I just don't get how to really do it and once i do it how do I move from one MCACC setting to another.
I am assuming I need to use the MCACC button on the remote, how to put it there I don't know... I have tried to spend conciderable time reading about MCACC but at one point or another I get lost...

Basically, I run the mcacc and save to memory 1. Then copy memory 1 to memory 2.
From here, I goto memory 2, ( first by pressing Audio button on remote, then use right arrow to select memory 2.
I then press channel level button on remote and select the sub channel and increase the level 3db.
Now this change is only on memory 2. If you go back to memory 1 the sub level will be set to the starting level you did with mcacc
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post #16567 of 17039
2/9/11 at 1:40pm
how do I do multi-zone MCACC again? Does that have to be "Manual"?
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post #16568 of 17039
2/9/11 at 5:24pm
Forget 2 channel and go ext.stereo, you ears will thanks you
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post #16569 of 17039
2/9/11 at 8:15pm
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Forget 2 channel and go ext.stereo, you ears will thanks you

Hey Gov, Don't really know what ext.stereo is. but would be happy to learn.

for the most part I am incredible happy with my system, keep in mind that I only talked about my main + sub sub because I am very happy when I am using 5.1 for movies.

a couple of weeks ago I happend to go to a night club and one thing I notice is how preceise, detail, and tight the drums and bass was so I got back to my setup and experimented and came to the conclusion that my bass is not even close which is what started my search for can I increase the bass.
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post #16570 of 17039
2/9/11 at 10:12pm
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Hey Gov, Don't really know what ext.stereo is. but would be happy to learn.

for the most part I am incredible happy with my system, keep in mind that I only talked about my main + sub sub because I am very happy when I am using 5.1 for movies.

a couple of weeks ago I happend to go to a night club and one thing I notice is how preceise, detail, and tight the drums and bass was so I got back to my setup and experimented and came to the conclusion that my bass is not even close which is what started my search for can I increase the bass.

Its under "advanced surround" and its like a party mode. Most people dislike it, but I love it!
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post #16571 of 17039
2/10/11 at 4:37am
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Originally Posted by olilugo View Post

Hey all,

I have had my SC-07 since it first came out and for the most part I am happy with it, especially when it comes to Home Theater.
Lately I been trying music, and I want to take full advantage of 2.1.

The problem I am having is that while in 5.1 for Home Theater my sub rumbles and gives me a very good movie experience.

When I try to just listen to music in stereo which from precisely I want 2.1 to take advantage of my subwoofer, I find that there is almost no sound and the sound I do get is very muddy, not detail and precise.

I am going crazy here, I don't know if it is my SC-07 that it is not design for music or is it my subwoofer that it is just not good or is it that I supposed to have different setting depending on whether I am in HT or music.

I am not a person that likes to tinker. For the most part my SC-07 selects whatever the movie encoding is or when I am listening to music it automatically select stereo. I like the fact that automatically selects DTS or stereo or whatever it supposed to be.

I don't really play with Neo or any of the other multi channels setting.

My main question is if when listening to just music you happen to select different setting for your MCACC? How are you guys doing these? How do a pre-set different memory settings on the MCACC?
I am trying to see if in fact is just a matter of changing my subwoofer.
My setup is as follows:

AVR: SC-07
Main speakers: B&W 804s
Subwoofer: Velodyne DLS_R3750
Sub and SC-07 are connected via RCA sub cable using the subwoofer out of the SC-07 (in the pre-out section of the SC-07) to the LFE input on the Subwoofer.

I also use a harmony remote so I might be able to program different pre-set on my AVR and subwoofer I just don't know how to do it.

On the AVR I am setting the X-over to 80

Any ideas would be greatly appreciate!

Ok, lots of reply already, and many suggestions in many directions...

First, one basic question: What is your source for stereo music, and how is the player connected to the SC? Are we talking about playing CDs in a blu-ray player connected through HDMI, or an iPod playing a 128kbit mp3 through RCA connections?

Second, you say you've spend time reading about MCACC but you "get lost". Have you run the MCACC calibration with the microphone at least once completely?

Personally, I use the Auto/Direct button to set the SC in "Direct" mode. The button toggles the audio mode between AUTO, Direct and Pure Direct. Give it a good try on Direct and see if that improves the sound.

Hope this helps a little.

Dan.
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post #16572 of 17039
2/10/11 at 4:39am
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post

how do I do multi-zone MCACC again? Does that have to be "Manual"?

"multi-zone" MCACC? What do you mean? MCACC is not applied to zone 2 or 3 outputs.
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post #16573 of 17039
2/10/11 at 7:50am
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Originally Posted by info_dan View Post
Ok, lots of reply already, and many suggestions in many directions...

First, one basic question: What is your source for stereo music, and how is the player connected to the SC? Are we talking about playing CDs in a blu-ray player connected through HDMI, or an iPod playing a 128kbit mp3 through RCA connections?

Second, you say you've spend time reading about MCACC but you "get lost". Have you run the MCACC calibration with the microphone at least once completely?

Personally, I use the Auto/Direct button to set the SC in "Direct" mode. The button toggles the audio mode between AUTO, Direct and Pure Direct. Give it a good try on Direct and see if that improves the sound.

Hope this helps a little.

Dan.
Hi Dan,

Ok my source is usb flash drive using the fron USB connection, I downloaded a bunch of songs to the USB flash drive, the songs are in FLAC format.

I also have a pioneer elite DV-48A which is a DVD player and I use it to play regular music CD's. I don't have any SCAD or multi-channel CD's.
This player is conneted via HDMI to my SC-07.
Same result my subwoofer seems to be more design for very low rumble sound like when a rocket is lifting off kind od a sound or a tremor. more than the drums or bass in music if I was to try to tell the story.

I have run the MCACC, in auto mode and I have done some using a bit more advance, because by default MCACC sets the speakers to LARGE so I go in and choose the setting to make all the spakers small and run the MCACC using this setting.

I also try the MCACC memroy copy and changing the level of the sub as kindly pointed out by
muad'dib, I changed it from -3.5db to +0.5 db and it seem to help a bit.

I think what I am going to do is try to get a different subwoofer and see what happens. will keep you all posted.
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post #16574 of 17039
2/10/11 at 7:53am
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"multi-zone" MCACC? What do you mean? MCACC is not applied to zone 2 or 3 outputs.
sorry, I should've said multi-position. Say, all the seats on the couch, and the side chair. So I'd do it 4 times.
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post #16575 of 17039
2/10/11 at 12:23pm
It there a difference in sound quality between the VSX-01 and the SC-07? I would not be using the SC-07 amp section as I've a separate running my speakers.

From what I've "understood" the MCACC is the same in both.

other than the THX Ultra/ Air Studios certification compared to only THX Select2 cert for the 01 any other changes?

I know the DAC are different but from the same brand.

wondering if there would be a noticeable difference in sound. Not much else would be useful for me (networking, zone 2 etc). Opp0 93 running through the SC-07 and powered by an outboard amp.
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post #16576 of 17039
2/10/11 at 1:18pm
In my opinion yes there is enough difference in sound that I sent back the vsx-01 and bought the sc-07.

In my opinion there vsx-01 was closer to the vsx-1018k, but the 01 was marginally better.

and I am also considering the fact that I also use an external amp so I am not using the amp section in the SC-07.
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post #16577 of 17039
2/10/11 at 2:53pm
@jimmy...

in a proper test, I think it's highly unlikely that you could differentiate the 2 units..,

the only "performance advantage" the sc has is the amplification section... and since the great majority of users don't require nearly as much power as they think they do, you need to decide if you need it.

imnsho, buying a sc and adding an external amp to it is of questionable:

- benefit
- value for dollar
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post #16578 of 17039
2/10/11 at 4:47pm
^^^ What he said
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post #16579 of 17039
2/10/11 at 5:55pm
Can the same Pioneer setup mic be used for various Pio models (are they interchangeable)? I had the SC-05 mic in one room and the 1019 mic in another room, and my cleaning lady thought she was doing me a favor by coiling them together. Any difference between the two?
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post #16580 of 17039
2/11/11 at 5:10am
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post

sorry, I should've said multi-position. Say, all the seats on the couch, and the side chair. So I'd do it 4 times.

See pages 44 & 45 of your manual. In Auto MCACC, select EQ Pro. & S-Wave. You can only do one or three positions. This will only affect the standing wave parameters.
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post #16581 of 17039
2/11/11 at 5:32am
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Can the same Pioneer setup mic be used for various Pio models (are they interchangeable)? I had the SC-05 mic in one room and the 1019 mic in another room, and my cleaning lady thought she was doing me a favor by coiling them together. Any difference between the two?

nope... according to the pioneer parts list, it's the same microphone for both, part number APM7008...
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post #16582 of 17039
2/11/11 at 7:48am
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Originally Posted by info_dan View Post

See pages 44 & 45 of your manual. In Auto MCACC, select EQ Pro. & S-Wave. You can only do one or three positions. This will only affect the standing wave parameters.

ok, thanks. I think with Audyssey it was 7 or 8. But three would be enough really.
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post #16583 of 17039
2/11/11 at 8:49am
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nope... according to the pioneer parts list, it's the same microphone for both, part number APM7008...

cool, thanks. The cleaning lady survives until she dings my sub with the vaccuum AGAIN.
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post #16584 of 17039
2/15/11 at 5:30pm
Hello,

I have an issue, I hope someone could help me with? I have the SC-05 and have it connected to the Oppo-971H DvD player. The Oppo is connected via Dvi to the Hdmi-1 (Cable is Dvi to Hdmi) and the audio is connected through coaxial DvD-In.

The problem is, when I select Dvd on the 05 remote, there is sound but no picture and when I select Hdmi, it has a picture but no sound. I've tried various settings, but no luck.

Is there a setting I'm overlooking in the 05? I hope this make sense? Thx!
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post #16585 of 17039
2/16/11 at 3:48am
^^
you didn't mention, but did you assign the optical input (1,2....) to the DVD input? IIRC, you also have to assign the HDMI input (1,2...) to the same input.

you can use HDMI inputs unassigned but they can't have a separate audio connection.

if you made the correct assignments, then the next thing to do is select the audio input you want to use for DVD. By default it's set to Auto so HDMI gets selected 1st in order of priority, so you have manually change the audio to "digital" on your remote. This is described on pg. 38 in your manual, "Choosing the input signal". Once you do that, it should work
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post #16586 of 17039
2/16/11 at 4:30am
^^^

Make sure you turn off "HDMI Control" though (p. 89), otherwise you will not be able to assign HDMI input to the DVD function. See page 92-93 for the details.

Also, you need to use HDMI input 1, 2 or 3, not the BD input.

Dan.
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post #16587 of 17039
2/16/11 at 5:05am
^^
since I don't bother with the infamous HDMI control, I forgot that step. good catch!
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post #16588 of 17039
2/16/11 at 9:43am
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@jimmy...

in a proper test, I think it's highly unlikely that you could differentiate the 2 units..,

the only "performance advantage" the sc has is the amplification section... and since the great majority of users don't require nearly as much power as they think they do, you need to decide if you need it.

imnsho, buying a sc and adding an external amp to it is of questionable:

- benefit
- value for dollar
I would tend to disagree with that as a general statement

while the majority of users..as you say don't require nearly as much power as they think they do..if that is the case then I agree

But to those others...that I guess are not in the majority..an external amp can make all the difference in the world

I just demoed 4 different receivers with a set of Vienna acoustics speakers....4ohm and very difficult to drive
Denon 4310, Yamaha Z7, Onkyo 875 and a Pioneer VSX47TX(a $225 E bay purchase)

driving those speakers I liked them in that order....which also happens to be their ranking lowest to highest in actual bench test power ratings
It was very clear that the Denon and the Yamaha sounded harsh at sound levels that the Onkyo and the Pioneer, to a greater extent, did very well

Even with its lack of HDMI..the old Pioneer elite shined

I also ran the same test with a Parasound preamp( 7100) and an old Harman Kardon amp I had stored as well....again....a huge difference in dynamics and ability to play at reference levels without any audible harshness

I didn't run the same test with my SC07...as it would have been a lot of work to remove and replace it in the cabinet that it is in...but I have a feeling it would have performed at about the same level as the Yamaha Z7

On another note..the weight of the receivers was also in the same order as my preference to their sounds with the Vienna's


Warren
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post #16589 of 17039
2/16/11 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post
...Even with its lack of HDMI..the old Pioneer elite shined
In some respects I still wish I had my VSX-59Txi which I replaced with the SC-09. Not all respects, of course

I really liked the 59, it was flawless. If it weren't for HDMI & the new audio formats, I'd still own it. I just got tired of the hassle of outboard switchers. Those 40/50 series Elites represent Pioneer's heyday in receivers, IMO.
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post #16590 of 17039
2/16/11 at 2:55pm
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In some respects I still wish I had my VSX-59Txi which I replaced with the SC-09. Not all respects, of course

I really liked the 59, it was flawless. If it weren't for HDMI & the new audio formats, I'd still own it. I just got tired of the hassle of outboard switchers. Those 40/50 series Elites represent Pioneer's heyday in receivers, IMO.

yes..I hear that...the VSX47TX is a tank...compared to the others I was testing...especially the Denon 4310..it is probably 30lbs heavier
As I said I bought this one on ebay about 3 years ago for $225...cherry condition...it says "Pioneer factory refurbised" on the back and has a 2002 manufacture date
I used it for about a year connected to a Pioneer BDP51 blu ray player via its analog outputs

I actually bought the Sc07 to takes its place in a secondary room
In many ways it is a far better unit than the SC07....definitely more "muscle"

Its been stored in a closet for the last 2 years...I just thought I would pull it out and run it through its paces with the other units


Warren
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