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post #16891 of 17045
12/21/11 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by paperthin567 View Post

Hi Guys,

I hope everyone is doing well.

2 questions:

1 - My SC05 is currently set to matrix 5.1 sources to 7.1. However, I want to ensure that if I'm playing back a 7.1 source, I'm getting the discrete audio and not a matrixed 5.1 effect.

2 - When I run the audio setup (MAAC?), it calibrates everything for me, which is great, however, I don't like the volume levels it sets everything. Is it okay to bump those volumes up to my liking, or will that completely ruin the entire calibration?

Any help/replies would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks.

-Luke

Lots of people adjust their volumes after they run MAAC. Some like to run their subs hotter and surrounds too. Remember, when you use MAAC you are probably using the dome mic that is open all around. People have ear flaps, so some turn the rear surrounds up to compensate for this.
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post #16892 of 17045
12/23/11 at 9:34am
Hi, guys.

I've just got hold of a used (but pristine) Pioneer LX81, as far as I know the European version of the American SC-07. I realize it is now old but I could buy it really cheap and my setup has tremendously improved from my previous Denon 2308. Very, very happy so far .

I'd like to ask a question regarding MCACC, surround modes and downsampling. Maybe this has been previously talked about in the 500+ pages of this thread, but I seem unable to find any mention.

I run foobar on an HTPC connected through HDMI to the SC-07. I've realized that when playing SACD isos (that foobar decodes to PCM 176/24) my Pio shows on the front display:

- PCM 176, when playing the stereo part of the SACD, regardless of MCACC / Full Band Phase Control are on or off.
- PCM 176 when playing the multichannel part, but only if both MCACC and FBFC are OFF.
- PCM 88 when playing the multichannel part if MCACC and / or FBFC are on.

I've also noticed that when playing 192/24 stereo flacs with FBFC & MCACC the display of the unit shows 192Khz in standard mode, but 96Khz if any of the fancy THX or adv. surround modes are engaged.

So, there seems to be a limit on the amount of DSP the unit can apply to the incoming signal. Am I right? Is there anything I am missing?

Thanks in advance!
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post #16893 of 17045
12/29/11 at 11:04am
Hello, new to the site. I searched this forum and didn't find anything that helped. Just bought a BDP-95 and hooked it up multi-chan. Problem is when I do a test tone on the 95 I do not get any sound through the surround speakers. Front,center,sub,surround back all have the tone. Even down mix to 5.1 and no tone out of SR or SL. checked cables, ran test tone on sc-05, all ok. Any clues to what I'm missing? Thanks
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post #16894 of 17045
12/29/11 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by delrepair View Post

Hello, new to the site. I searched this forum and didn't find anything that helped. Just bought a BDP-95 and hooked it up multi-chan. Problem is when I do a test tone on the 95 I do not get any sound through the surround speakers. Front,center,sub,surround back all have the tone. Even down mix to 5.1 and no tone out of SR or SL. checked cables, ran test tone on sc-05, all ok. Any clues to what I'm missing? Thanks

Welcome to AVS. Maybe it's a setting buried somewhere in the Oppo menu? Do you have an HDMI cable lying around you can test it with?
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post #16895 of 17045
12/30/11 at 6:35am
Yes I do. Will try that today. Should of thought of that. But if it does work that prob means the 95 has a problem with multi chan. Will let you know. Thanks
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post #16896 of 17045
12/30/11 at 3:09pm
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Originally Posted by delrepair View Post

Yes I do. Will try that today. Should of thought of that. But if it does work that prob means the 95 has a problem with multi chan. Will let you know. Thanks

I would call OPPO. Great service.
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post #16897 of 17045
12/30/11 at 3:44pm
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Originally Posted by delrepair View Post

Hello, new to the site. I searched this forum and didn't find anything that helped. Just bought a BDP-95 and hooked it up multi-chan. Problem is when I do a test tone on the 95 I do not get any sound through the surround speakers. Front,center,sub,surround back all have the tone. Even down mix to 5.1 and no tone out of SR or SL. checked cables, ran test tone on sc-05, all ok. Any clues to what I'm missing? Thanks

just to ensure...

you have the "surround" speakers (i.e. the ones to the side, not behind you) hooked to the "surround" not "back" outputs, correct?

also, you told the oppo to output 7.1 in set up, correct?

just making sure before we start troubleshooting.

good to see a bit of activity in the old thread...
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post #16898 of 17045
1/8/12 at 5:11pm
I have a Pioneer Elite SC-05 which isn't shutting down properly. The display goes off, but the blue light on the power button stays on and you don't here all of the relays trip. If you power up again, wait a few seconds and power down again, the same thing happens, but the red HDMI light comes on for a few seconds and the the receiver finally powers down properly. Any ideas? I suspect that the HDMI system is still communicating and interrupting proper shut down.
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post #16899 of 17045
1/8/12 at 7:18pm
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Originally Posted by Audiophile40 View Post

I have a Pioneer Elite SC-05 which isn't shutting down properly. The display goes off, but the blue light on the power button stays on and you don't here all of the relays trip. If you power up again, wait a few seconds and power down again, the same thing happens, but the red HDMI light comes on for a few seconds and the the receiver finally powers down properly. Any ideas? I suspect that the HDMI system is still communicating and interrupting proper shut down.

Turn off HDMI control on the receiver. That should take care of it.
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post #16900 of 17045
1/20/12 at 1:01am
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Originally Posted by takerna View Post

Hi, guys.

I've just got hold of a used (but pristine) Pioneer LX81, as far as I know the European version of the American SC-07. I realize it is now old but I could buy it really cheap and my setup has tremendously improved from my previous Denon 2308. Very, very happy so far .

I'd like to ask a question regarding MCACC, surround modes and downsampling. Maybe this has been previously talked about in the 500+ pages of this thread, but I seem unable to find any mention.

I run foobar on an HTPC connected through HDMI to the SC-07. I've realized that when playing SACD isos (that foobar decodes to PCM 176/24) my Pio shows on the front display:

- PCM 176, when playing the stereo part of the SACD, regardless of MCACC / Full Band Phase Control are on or off.
- PCM 176 when playing the multichannel part, but only if both MCACC and FBFC are OFF.
- PCM 88 when playing the multichannel part if MCACC and / or FBFC are on.

I've also noticed that when playing 192/24 stereo flacs with FBFC & MCACC the display of the unit shows 192Khz in standard mode, but 96Khz if any of the fancy THX or adv. surround modes are engaged.

So, there seems to be a limit on the amount of DSP the unit can apply to the incoming signal. Am I right? Is there anything I am missing?

Thanks in advance!

I've been away from this Thread for a long time and surprised to find that nobody answered your question.

Your LX81 is doing what it's supposed to do. You cannot get 192 kHz in surround mode, only in two-channel mode due to the codec limitation. Same deal with your SACD discs/iso.
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post #16901 of 17045
1/20/12 at 6:26am
Good to see this thread still going. Classic.
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post #16902 of 17045
2/8/12 at 1:15pm
I have had the Pioneer 72, 94, and now the sc-07. If the HDMI is just pass through from an hdmi source, why is it that my samsung dlp can not accept a signal in HDMi coming from the Pionner's output?

If I run a blu ray player straight from the player to my TV using HDMI, no problem, but as soon as I run the Blu Ray into any of the above mentioned receivers and then out from the receiver to the TV using HDMI my TV wont show a signal.

If I use the component out from the receivers, I have no problem.

Obviously this is a problem with the TV, but HDMI through would suggest I shouldnt have this problem.

The tv is an HLR-6178w 1080p dlp, 1st generation 1080p.
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post #16903 of 17045
2/8/12 at 1:45pm
^^^

your display cannot accept 1080p signals (other than from a vga source)... which is why it is not working with hdmi from your bdp through the avr...
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post #16904 of 17045
2/8/12 at 2:53pm
yet it can accept 1080p from the Blu Ray player???

i can run the Blu Ray straight from the player to the TV input using HDMI, but as soon as I connect the receiver, no picture??

And if I sent a 1080i picture from the Blu Ray into the receiver, doesnt the receiver just "Pas through" that 1080i signal? There is no 1080p upconversion... correct?
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post #16905 of 17045
2/8/12 at 3:05pm
^^^

my somewhat educated guess is that with a repeater in the chain, the edid information from the display (the sink) isn't "correct", and that the bdp (the source) is attempting to send 1080p...

when connected directly to the display, it's interpreted correctly, and it sends 1080i... which your display will accept...
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post #16906 of 17045
2/9/12 at 12:53pm
so is there anything I can do to solve this problem in the settings of the receiver?

Really pisses me off that I have to use component cables from my dvr, hd dvd, and BDP going into the receiver AS WELL as the HDMI cables.
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post #16907 of 17045
2/9/12 at 4:02pm
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Originally Posted by hoopsrgreat View Post

so is there anything I can do to solve this problem in the settings of the receiver?

Really pisses me off that I have to use component cables from my dvr, hd dvd, and BDP going into the receiver AS WELL as the HDMI cables.

Are you using HDMI-2 output?
Try the setting in the video options to auto or pure.
You might have to adjust the aspect after.

Good luck
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post #16908 of 17045
2/10/12 at 6:54am
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Originally Posted by hoopsrgreat View Post

so is there anything I can do to solve this problem in the settings of the receiver?

Really pisses me off that I have to use component cables from my dvr, hd dvd, and BDP going into the receiver AS WELL as the HDMI cables.

nope... not in the avr... as you know, it doesn't "care" about hdmi video when it comes to processing...

a possible solution would be forcing 1080i (or lower) from all the source devices...
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post #16909 of 17045
2/10/12 at 8:28am
Hi guys,

kindly I need some advise from you guys I am going to change my receiver
Pioneer SC-LX82/SC-27 still I am happy but I need to match my BDP-09 Blu ray player I try the pioneer SC-LX85/SC-57 the sound was very good and what reviews say state of the art receiver but I did like the built and the matte black before the color black that was piano finish was better look.

I don't care that control it with ipad,iphone or has the airplay I need a receiver for life time that is the PIONEER SC-LX09/SC-07 and still available to buy in europe.

what you thing guys I need some help to choice!!!!!
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post #16910 of 17045
2/10/12 at 9:42am
I am going to go into the settings of my BDP and my DTV dvr and set them to output 1080i and see if it works. I think I am just destined to use components with this TV until I get a new one.

I am using both HDMI outputs as I have one going to a projector, and the other will go to the TV... even though I doubt this is going to work and I will then only have one HDMI out to the projector and one component out to the TV.

I hope you are correct and once I switch the outputs on the source, the TV will then accept it.
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post #16911 of 17045
2/11/12 at 5:25am
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Originally Posted by dagostino View Post

Hi guys,

kindly I need some advise from you guys I am going to change my receiver
Pioneer SC-LX82/SC-27 still I am happy but I need to match my BDP-09 Blu ray player I try the pioneer SC-LX85/SC-57 the sound was very good and what reviews say state of the art receiver but I did like the built and the matte black before the color black that was piano finish was better look.

I don't care that control it with ipad,iphone or has the airplay I need a receiver for life time that is the PIONEER SC-LX09/SC-07 and still available to buy in europe.

what you thing guys I need some help to choice!!!!!

dagostino, if I understand your email correctly:
- You have a BDP-09 blu-ray player
- You have the SC-27 receiver
- You do not like that they do not match in terms of look
- You would like to have a SC-07

I had a SC-07 and I now have a SC-27, and from what I remember, the finish of both models is identical. So swapping the SC-27 for a SC-07 would not help you.

Also, you say you want a receiver for lifetime, but remember that the laser(s) in a DVD or blu-ray does not have infinite lifetime. Depending on how heavily it is used, it is quite possible you'll have to replace your player at some point, and then you will be back to square one in terms of "matching units".

My suggestion would be to keep the SC-27 as a "lifetime" receiver, especially if you're still happy with it! I don't think the look is that far off when matched with the SC-27.

Dan.
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post #16912 of 17045
2/11/12 at 2:18pm
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Originally Posted by info_dan View Post


dagostino, if I understand your email correctly:
- You have a BDP-09 blu-ray player
- You have the SC-27 receiver
- You do not like that they do not match in terms of look
- You would like to have a SC-07

I had a SC-07 and I now have a SC-27, and from what I remember, the finish of both models is identical. So swapping the SC-27 for a SC-07 would not help you.

Also, you say you want a receiver for lifetime, but remember that the laser(s) in a DVD or blu-ray does not have infinite lifetime. Depending on how heavily it is used, it is quite possible you'll have to replace your player at some point, and then you will be back to square one in terms of "matching units".

My suggestion would be to keep the SC-27 as a "lifetime" receiver, especially if you're still happy with it! I don't think the look is that far off when matched with the SC-27.

Dan.

Thanks Dan you are right in any point for what I see now in the technology we losing built quality and I was thinking
About the SC-07 I well not see a replacement of that type of receiver, I am worry because I well not find a receiver like that any more and I know that is lot of money to buy it.

When I was a kid I always been in the technology and know I have the job in technology too
How was the SC-07 the sound ?
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post #16913 of 17045
2/11/12 at 2:21pm
the 07 will sound the same as the 27... for all intents and purposes, they are the same avr...

not sure where you are coming from on "build quality"...
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post #16914 of 17045
2/11/12 at 11:10pm
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

the 07 will sound the same as the 27... for all intents and purposes, they are the same avr...

not sure where you are coming from on "build quality"...

Sorry i was confuse about US version models is between SC-09TX and SC-27 the one that I have SC-27
the Europe version are SC-LX09 the flagship and SC-LX82

I want to buy is the flagship that for sure well never see other receiver like that.
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post #16915 of 17045
2/12/12 at 6:41am
^^^

well, if it's available and you have the cash and you want it that bad,buy it...

it's not going to sound any different from the 27 though... and it is outdated feature wise vs. a "more modern" unit...

i personally wouldn't buy it, as there are other "better" options available for much less money...

and yes, i owned one...

one thing is true... it's safe to say we aren't going to see too many more $7000 msrp avrs from any cem in the near future, and certainly none from pioneer... this isn't necessarily a bad thing...
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post #16916 of 17045
2/12/12 at 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

well, if it's available and you have the cash and you want it that bad,buy it...

it's not going to sound any different from the 27 though... and it is outdated feature wise vs. a "more modern" unit...

i personally wouldn't buy it, as there are other "better" options available for much less money...

and yes, i owned one...

one thing is true... it's safe to say we aren't going to see too many more $7000 msrp avrs from any cem in the near future, and certainly none from pioneer... this isn't necessarily a bad thing...


I know that well not sound different from the 27 and I know that is outdated but I don't care if well not work with iPhone , iPad or have the airplay like the new models and I know that i am crazy sometimes to spent lot money on this receiver but this my hobby on home theater.

What I am saying is if I buy the SC-LX09 I well have a classic Ferrari and that for sure in Malta nobody well have.
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post #16917 of 17045
2/12/12 at 2:54pm
well, if all you want to do is impress your friends, it's certainly got the bling factor of the lcd...

but no, it's not analogous to having a classic ferrari...

like i said, if you want it, buy it...
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post #16918 of 17045
2/13/12 at 9:45am
I recently bought an sc-07. I had the 74 and 94 before that. Really liked the sound, so I bought a used 07 from a person here on AVS. In my above post, my TV just wont accept the HDMI out from the receiver to the TV. I already had Direct TV set at 1080i output, so if HDMI is just passing through, and my TV wont acceot 1080p through the HDMI inputs, it didnt change anything.

I will just live with the components into the TV and HDMI into the projector.

Now, I can not get the display to work right.

I have a Sony bDP s-580 blu ray player outputting through HDMi into HDMI input 1. HDMI audio output is set to AUTO. Yet on the receiver, instead of showing Dolby Digital, or HD Master audio, all I get is PCM.

Never had this with the 94.

Pretty sure it will be simple, but I cant figure it out.
Help please?
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post #16919 of 17045
2/13/12 at 10:00am
Change the audio settings in the s580 menu to bitstream instead of pcm.
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post #16920 of 17045
2/13/12 at 10:08am
I see nowhere to set it to bitstream.

It is either auto, or pcm.
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