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post #211 of 17045
8/27/08 at 10:03am
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I pre-ordered the SC-07 from Value Electronics. Initially they were expecting them in late last week and as of Monday, Robert seemed confident about today. I'm not going to hassle them but if anyone on pre-order has heard anything please keep us informed. I've been reading the BDP-09FD thread to pass the time and it just heightens the anticipation

Robert's a good guy. I hope Pioneer comes through for him and he gets his supply.. lot's customers are waiting... Hope you get good news today, jjavs!
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post #212 of 17045
8/27/08 at 10:12am
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Originally Posted by jjavs View Post

I pre-ordered the SC-07 from Value Electronics. Initially they were expecting them in late last week and as of Monday, Robert seemed confident about today. I'm not going to hassle them but if anyone on pre-order has heard anything please keep us informed. I've been reading the BDP-09FD thread to pass the time and it just heightens the anticipation

You are in luck b/c I just hassled him a little awhile ago about purchasing an SC-07 from him. He said that he expects them to be in by Friday now. Very nice guy with great prices.
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post #213 of 17045
8/27/08 at 10:27am
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You are in luck b/c I just hassled him a little awhile ago about purchasing an SC-07 from him. He said that he expects them to be in by Friday now. Very nice guy with great prices.

Patgilm, thanks for the update. I knew Wednesday was unlikely. That arrival date keeps moving, always a couple days out.
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post #214 of 17045
8/27/08 at 11:21am
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

The 05 has a few cosmetic changes and slightly better analog video

Better analog video?
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post #215 of 17045
8/27/08 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by DavidJ View Post

Better analog video?

The BDP-05FD is supposed to have 297Mhz vs 108MHz encoder on the BDP-51FD for component video output. This is no value unless you need to output to component because your projector or display doesn't have HDMI
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post #216 of 17045
8/27/08 at 12:47pm
I bought the bdp-05fd, cuz it matchs the sc-07 (gold text, Elite logo). Pretty lame, but thats the only reason I spent a little extra $$$.

Mike
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post #217 of 17045
8/27/08 at 1:31pm
I just noticed on the back of the brochure that the SC-07 and 05 do not have detachable power cords. Not that it is a big deal but for a somewhat high end receiver I would have expected one. Even the 51fd blu ray player has a detachable power cord.

Mikedege - Don't worry, I am buying the 05fd for the same reason which seems rediculous. The sad thing is I don't even like the amber text, I wish it was white like the regular Pioneer stuff.
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post #218 of 17045
8/27/08 at 2:15pm
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I just noticed on the back of the brochure that the SC-07 and 05 do not have detachable power cords. Not that it is a big deal but for a somewhat high end receiver I would have expected one. Even the 51fd blu ray player has a detachable power cord.

Mikedege - Don't worry, I am buying the 05fd for the same reason which seems rediculous. The sad thing is I don't even like the amber text, I wish it was white like the regular Pioneer stuff.

I think the SC-09 is the only AVR that Pioneer makes anymore with a detachable cord.. I miss not having switched outlets.
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post #219 of 17045
8/27/08 at 4:11pm
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Originally Posted by mikedege View Post

I bought the bdp-05fd, cuz it matchs the sc-07 (gold text, Elite logo). Pretty lame, but thats the only reason I spent a little extra $$$.

Mike

Don't forget painted black back and metal faceplate They are both sharp, the 05 has a slight edge though, IMO. It matches the SC-07 better....
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post #220 of 17045
8/27/08 at 6:15pm
Can you share with us what you mean by great prices. I am seeing $ 2200 from the high end stores.

Thanks
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post #221 of 17045
8/27/08 at 6:21pm
I see the LAN connection on the SC-07 and saw where you can use Internet radio. I have a wireless network in my house. Do you think is it possible to access files like .mp3's on another computer in my house? That would be really nice!

Still waiting on my SC-07 and plan to buy the BDP-05FD to go with it. But my store doens't know when they will have them in. Plus BB in Cincinnati do not carry them.
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post #222 of 17045
8/27/08 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by milynj View Post

As for the video performance I to have become very confused. I have a 8.8 Integra, Dish Network 722 HD receiver, and a new Pioneer 51 which I am impressed with so far. I have a 720P display recently calibrated. (after I got the 51). I was advised not to change any video settings. However, on the receiver display is says through for both the Dish and the 51. Every thing is connected with HDMI. Assuming the Reon I paid for is not being used I question the purpose of even having a video processor. I would really like to be educated on this. I am considering buying a Pioneer SC-05. I want the Audio side of the receiver but apparently do not need the video side of the receiver? In a year or so I will upgrade to a new 1080P Kuro. Will that change any thing with the video portion of the receiver?

You are confused! The Integra 8.8 is the top of integra AV receiver, it's better than the Onkyo NR905, and I would say that it's besically the same as the NR906 with a couple of things missing. The SC-05 is a downgrade from the Integra 8.8 in my opinion, definitely in the HDMI video quality, and I would dare to say the audio quality is also not at par with the Integra 8.8. The SC-07 might have better sound, might not, I don't know because I don't have either one, but based on what people have said, I would stay with the Integra 8.8 if I were you. And maybe you should switch on the REON HQV chip and see if you get a better quality out of the deinterlacing capability. Just my 2 pennies.
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post #223 of 17045
8/28/08 at 1:33pm
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I see the LAN connection on the SC-07 and saw where you can use Internet radio. I have a wireless network in my house. Do you think is it possible to access files like .mp3's on another computer in my house? That would be really nice!

Still waiting on my SC-07 and plan to buy the BDP-05FD to go with it. But my store doens't know when they will have them in. Plus BB in Cincinnati do not carry them.

Yes, you can play music or display photos from another computer through the SC-07 on your network, ajkjr. You just need to set up your computer as a media server to share the folders you want to listen too. You might want to look at Chapter 10 (page 73) of the manual, it may answer your questions more fully. Here is a picture of my HGM screen from the SC-07, it shows Internet and Nueral radio and two server connections on my network.. BTW, I use wireless also, so not a problem.
Hope you get yours soon, that's a sweet combination (SC-07 and BDP-05FD)
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post #224 of 17045
8/28/08 at 1:54pm
Thanks CHP_VR for the help. Already have the manual printed and had read through page 73 but was just not sure. I have certain folders set up to share so all PC's in house can get to them so I should be able to figure this out.

I have read about LAN connections on newer Blu-Ray players but BDP-05 does not have this. What would I use this for on my Blu-Ray player? Thanks again. Joe
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post #225 of 17045
8/28/08 at 1:56pm
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Can you share with us what you mean by great prices. I am seeing $ 2200 from the high end stores.

Thanks

He's talking about Robert from Value Electronics, ajkjr, he's an authorized Pioneer dealer, but you will probably have to call for pricing.
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post #226 of 17045
8/28/08 at 2:00pm
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Thanks CHP_VR for the help. Already have the manual printed and had read through page 73 but was just not sure. I have certain folders set up to share so all PC's in house can get to them so I should be able to figure this out.

I have read about LAN connections on newer Blu-Ray players but BDP-05 does not have this. What would I use this for on my Blu-Ray player? Thanks again. Joe

I was talking about the SC-07, ajkjr, for the 51/05 blu-ray, you use the usb port with a flash drive or a media disk and hit home gallery from the menu.
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post #227 of 17045
8/28/08 at 2:22pm
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Originally Posted by milynj View Post

As for the video performance I to have become very confused. I have a 8.8 Integra, Dish Network 722 HD receiver, and a new Pioneer 51 which I am impressed with so far. I have a 720P display recently calibrated. (after I got the 51). I was advised not to change any video settings. However, on the receiver display is says through for both the Dish and the 51. Every thing is connected with HDMI. Assuming the Reon I paid for is not being used I question the purpose of even having a video processor. I would really like to be educated on this. I am considering buying a Pioneer SC-05. I want the Audio side of the receiver but apparently do not need the video side of the receiver? In a year or so I will upgrade to a new 1080P Kuro. Will that change any thing with the video portion of the receiver?

I'm not too familiar with the Integra 8.8 but you might make sure it can upscale HDMI to HDMI. If it doesn't just hook your Dish Network box up to it with component and it should work. You're only wanting to pass the hdmi signal from the 51 anyway, and component video/optical audio from the Dish Network box is prob. just as good as hdmi from it.
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post #228 of 17045
8/28/08 at 2:35pm
I'll bet you teach computer science at a local college. One time in a computer course at Cal State Hayward we were in a computer lab, not the regular lecture. It was supposed to start at, say, 3 PM. The sadist who was to teach us came in 10 min. late and said "I'm late, so I'll just go fast..."

Notice in the quote.. "You JUST need to set up your computer as a ..."

If I ever come upon you trapped in a burning car, I'll yell to you "you JUST need to reach that handle over there..."

[quote=CHP_VR;14544899]Yes, you can play music or display photos from another computer through the SC-07 on your network, ajkjr. You just need to set up your computer as a media server to share the folders you want to listen too.
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post #229 of 17045
8/28/08 at 3:08pm
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I'll bet you teach computer science at a local college. One time in a computer course at Cal State Hayward we were in a computer lab, not the regular lecture. It was supposed to start at, say, 3 PM. The sadist who was to teach us came in 10 min. late and said "I'm late, so I'll just go fast..."

Notice in the quote.. "You JUST need to set up your computer as a ..."

If I ever come upon you trapped in a burning car, I'll yell to you "you JUST need to reach that handle over there..."

[/QUOTE=CHP_VR;14544899]Yes, you can play music or display photos from another computer through the SC-07 on your network, ajkjr. You just need to set up your computer as a media server to share the folders you want to listen too.


LOL, actually ADA and C many many moons ago but I was always early, honest.
Setting up your media server is a snap.. in XP, you can use Windows Media player, just right click "library" (or left click library from the top menu), select media sharing, click on "share my media to", your SC-07 should show up on the screen (it shows as a pioneer device, I believe), just authorize it to use your files.. Another good media server is TVersity.
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post #230 of 17045
8/28/08 at 4:20pm
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I do not know if anyone else noticed when looking at the picture of the back of the two receivers.
However, if you look below the power cord, you will see that both models have the same power consumption of 330 watts.

This means that both receivers have the same amplifier section and that Pioneer just gives them different power ratings to differentiate the two receivers for marketing purposes.
Also, if yuo go to the Ice-Power site, you can see that BO does not make power modules that differ by 10 watt/ch.

I would even venture to say they are completely identical inside and that Pioneer just put fewer I/O connectors on the SC-05.
THX rating can be different based on the certification that Pioneer asked for, as Select certification is probably cheaper than ultra.

Thus if you do not need the extra I/O of SC-07, you are much better off getting the SC-05, as it almost certainly is identical to the SC-07 inside.
(Cost more money to design completely different amps vs. just dropping a few I/Os)



Interesting, then does that mean that the sc-05 have the Jitter Reduction feature like the sc-07?


Maybe the sc-07 only uses different D/A converters?
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post #231 of 17045
8/28/08 at 5:06pm
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Originally Posted by Thebarnman View Post

Interesting, then does that mean that the sc-05 have the Jitter Reduction feature like the sc-07?


Maybe the sc-07 only uses different D/A converters?

Pioneer's press announcement said both SC-05 and the SC-07 does have HDMI Jitter reduction (PQLS)
and the manual makes no distinction between the models when talking about it.

The SC-07 also has "Burr Brown Sampling Rate Converter (SRC) upscales audio to 192 kHz, 24-bit resolution"

Hopefully the SC-05 will be shipping soon and we will know definitively.
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post #232 of 17045
8/28/08 at 6:43pm
The SC-05 and 07 are now up on Pioneer’s website.
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post #233 of 17045
8/28/08 at 7:19pm
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Originally Posted by hifihawkeye View Post

The SC-05 and 07 are now up on Pioneer's website.

It's about time. Of course, this may make it harder for me to resist. The model comparison on the site is interesting. I wonder if it is completely accurate.
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post #234 of 17045
8/28/08 at 7:45pm
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Originally Posted by DavidJ View Post

It's about time. Of course, this may make it harder for me to resist. The model comparison on the site is interesting. I wonder if it is completely accurate.

It's definitely not accurate. For example it says they both have THX Ultra 2 Plus, but that's not true. It says only the SC07 has DD EX. It says only the SC05 has a phono input.
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post #235 of 17045
8/28/08 at 8:09pm
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Originally Posted by Stereodude View Post

You only get those because you have a Pioneer Plasma right? They're not actually in the HDMI video output from the receiver.

Thanks for the OSD overlay pic. I've asked about it for a long time in other threads and now it's answered...
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post #236 of 17045
8/28/08 at 8:14pm
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

Opguy, I would think the GUI's are identical.. just from the fact that the manual is for the SC-05 and SC-07 (the pdf and my printed manual)
In the manual, they make a point of saying "SC-07" only when there is a difference noted.
Like here on one of the pictures in the manual:

Illustration shows the SC-07, however connections for the SC-05 are the same except where noted.

Although I'm glad it has GUI, it seems very bland compared to others.
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post #237 of 17045
8/29/08 at 6:20am
Owners, is there a way to get the ((sub)) speaker symbol to not blink with the bass hits? Seems like it may be distracting. Whats your experience? Not that it matters much...
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post #238 of 17045
8/29/08 at 7:07am
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Originally Posted by NismoZ View Post

Owners, is there a way to get the ((sub)) speaker symbol to not blink with the bass hits? Seems like it may be distracting. Whats your experience? Not that it matters much...

Did you get your SC-07 finally? What are your thoughts? Since I just sold my 4308ci the other day and have the SC-07 on order (hopefully it will be here Tuesday), I will be able to tell how much of a difference these ICE amps make and will report back. I was rather disappointed in the 4308's power even though it said 140w x 7 but loved the GUI. I'm hoping I notice a difference since I am paying $150 more for the SC-07 and the fact that I have to keep this receiver this time.
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post #239 of 17045
8/29/08 at 7:35am
Nope, still haven't gotten one. No news from my pre-order company or the site pushing his pre-orders...

I've just seen a buddies Pioneer 1018 AVR do the same thing...
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post #240 of 17045
8/29/08 at 8:00am
If anyone is waiting for an SC-07 from VE,...

I just got off the phone with Wendy (Robert's better half). It looks like they're expecting some SC-07s this coming Tuesday, 9/2.

The waiting is, indeed, the hardest part...
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