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post #4411 of 17039
1/15/09 at 7:56am
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I'm a new owner of SC-07, luv it btw.....I had a yamaha 2500 and it had 7 channel stereo mode on it. Is there a similiar mode with the pioneer or something comparable? also, luv this forum

thx, Lance


Yes, it is Extended Stereo.
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post #4412 of 17039
1/15/09 at 8:01am
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Originally Posted by lance30276 View Post

I'm a new owner of SC-07, luv it btw.....I had a yamaha 2500 and it had 7 channel stereo mode on it. Is there a similiar mode with the pioneer or something comparable? also, luv this forum

thx, Lance

Welcome to the forums lance30276

one option is:
(page 37)

• EXT.STEREO – Gives multichannel sound to a stereo
source, using all of your speakers

edit: Juan beat me
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post #4413 of 17039
1/15/09 at 8:10am
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...............I'll make this my last post about subs for awhile since some of you asked me which direction I was going. I ended up ordering an Elemental Design A5. It was on my short list, but I thought I was going the SVS route. It's $650....delivered.............

Graphicguy, sounds like one heck of a sub!
Please let us know how you like it...

I'm down to between the PC12NDS (or +) or VTF3MKiii..
I keep thinking 'cause hsu is local I should get it there... but then again, that shouldn't really matter... aggghh...
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post #4414 of 17039
1/15/09 at 8:29am
Has anyone set up a Harmony remote for controlling their SC05 or 07? I'm in the process of (finally) setting up my One now and at the receiver stage, and it's horrible. There are over 150 commands for the SC-07 and it's a nightmare assigning and organizing it all. If I can steal someone else's configuration for the button layouts etc that would be pretty awesome

(I'm not sure if you can even share Harmony configs but if you can...)
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post #4415 of 17039
1/15/09 at 8:29am
hrr....like you, I had bad experiences with the Onkyo counterpart to the Integra. Like MikeRP, I found a substantial difference in power between the Onkyo/Integra internal amps, and those ICE amps found in the SC series. Very significant advantage going to the SC.

Based on what I've read, the new x06 Onkyos are a downgrade from their x05 counterparts, also. That's not a good trend.

In fairness, Onkyo/Integra does hit a price point, however...with a rich feature set. But, that's about all they do well.
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post #4416 of 17039
1/15/09 at 8:47am
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Originally Posted by garrettmoore View Post

Has anyone set up a Harmony remote for controlling their SC05 or 07? I'm in the process of (finally) setting up my One now and at the receiver stage, and it's horrible. There are over 150 commands for the SC-07 and it's a nightmare assigning and organizing it all. If I can steal someone else's configuration for the button layouts etc that would be pretty awesome

(I'm not sure if you can even share Harmony configs but if you can...)

Garrett...to my knowledge, you can't share Harmony configs. However, there's no way that I would begin to try to replicate all the SC features into my Harmony config. I originally started out with 24 separate pages for the SC on my Harmony 1. Now, I've got 6.....just the functions I'm most likely to use. Plus, I'll probably pare that down even further.

While it's rare, whenever there's something I want to do that isn't on one of my pages or hard buttons with the H1, I go to the Pio remote. But, that doesn't happen much.

Charles....I've made my displeasure with HSU fairly apparent....especially as a repeat customer of theirs. IIRC, I actually recommended HSU to you originally (before things went sideways). That said, if you like their products, are willing to suffer some of their arrogance, and seemingly declining customer service, they aren't a bad choice. If nothing goes haywire, you'll be pleased.

SVS and eD were extremely helpful to me. Their products are also highly regarded.

When all's said and done, unless you're able to buy and compare any of your choices, in your HT, I'd say you'd be thrilled with any of them.
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post #4417 of 17039
1/15/09 at 9:09am
thx for the responses, i will try the expanded stereo setting out when i get home this evening.... I was looking at the manual and was wondering will the panorama setting in dolby pro logic llx music get the same effect?

Lance
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post #4418 of 17039
1/15/09 at 9:16am
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lance30276;
Best advice, is to try them all... there's enough options on this beast to keep you entertained for quite a while.
Personally, I still prefer Stream Direct.. If it's stereo, then it plays stereo.. if it's DDTrueHD, then that's what I hear.
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post #4419 of 17039
1/15/09 at 9:27am
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Originally Posted by garrettmoore View Post

Has anyone set up a Harmony remote for controlling their SC05 or 07? I'm in the process of (finally) setting up my One now and at the receiver stage, and it's horrible. There are over 150 commands for the SC-07 and it's a nightmare assigning and organizing it all. If I can steal someone else's configuration for the button layouts etc that would be pretty awesome

(I'm not sure if you can even share Harmony configs but if you can...)

What I did was set up different activities...
Example, I have "Turn on HGM" which sets up the home media gallery...
I made the SC-07 another device called the "Media AVR"
then assigned the hard buttons to what options I wanted... cursor control left right up down etc..
It's still new to me, but I found that's better then having 27 pages to flip through just to find "HGM cursor right"... I'm sure I'll go through more iterations......
don't know if that helps... I'm sure there's better ways.
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post #4420 of 17039
1/15/09 at 9:28am
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Garrett...to my knowledge, you can't share Harmony configs. However, there's no way that I would begin to try to replicate all the SC features into my Harmony config. I originally started out with 24 separate pages for the SC on my Harmony 1. Now, I've got 6.....just the functions I'm most likely to use. Plus, I'll probably pare that down even further.

While it's rare, whenever there's something I want to do that isn't on one of my pages or hard buttons with the H1, I go to the Pio remote. But, that doesn't happen much.


With regard to the HOne, has anyone found a quicker way to move something from the last page to the first.....the arrows at the right take forever to move something up the page line.......The first time I set mine up I didn't know about the five minute time out thing, I wasted probably an hour with all those arrows only to find out you need to save every five minutes or so.....

If this is too far off topic, wipe it out, but this thread seems to tolerate the occasional sidetrack....great members in here!
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post #4421 of 17039
1/15/09 at 9:32am
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graphicguy,
I know, I know... that's why I'm in "paralysis" mode again...
Think I'll just ask my better half to pick the one she thinks "looks" best at this point...
At least that way, if something happens I can always say "Well, dear, you picked it"
hmm... come to think of it... I like that! Starting to feel better now..
Thanks for all the input!
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post #4422 of 17039
1/15/09 at 9:34am
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

What I did was set up different activities...
Example, I have "Turn on HGM" which sets up the home media gallery...
I made the SC-07 another device called the "Media AVR"
then assigned the hard buttons to what options I wanted... cursor control left right up down etc..
It's still new to me, but I found that's better then having 27 pages to flip through just to find "HGM cursor right"... I'm sure I'll go through more iterations......
don't know if that helps... I'm sure there's better ways.

yeah, that would be a good work around.....I kinda do the same thing with my BDP-05, I have activities for BR and CD, both using the BDP-05.....That way you can set up the commands and hard keys to suit the specific type of media you are playing.....I love my H One!
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post #4423 of 17039
1/15/09 at 9:46am
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I don't think it's that far off topic.. it's all about interfacing with our SC units.
whether it's a device we're trying to attach to it, or getting the most out of our ICE AMPS (sound, menu, interface)... my 2 cents..

Speaking of that, LS2JSTS, aren't you due for a new package soon?

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I finally put a deposit with my local B&M, he relented and matched the best I could get from Best Buy. Oddly he had the SC-05 on a shelf and no SC-07's at all. He and a couple other salesman were surprised when I turned the SC-05 around on the rack and pointed out that it did have four HDMI ins. They were telling me the SC-07 added the additional out as well as having an extra HDMI in. They were going from the literature and hadn't bothered to actually look at the SC-05 on their shelf.

We're expecting some in-depth reviews and comparisons from you soon!
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post #4424 of 17039
1/15/09 at 9:53am
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Originally Posted by graphicguy View Post

Lance...congrats!

While I don't use the mode, I do remember there being something along the lines of "all channel stereo" available when I first was "playing" with my SC05 during setup.

I'll make this my last post about subs for awhile since some of you asked me which direction I was going. I ended up ordering an Elemental Design A5. It was on my short list, but I thought I was going the SVS route. It's $650....delivered.

The upside....

-eD 15" driver vs SVS 12" driver
-eD upgraded amp from 350w to 550w, no charge
-upgraded finish from the "pebble vinyl" (as on my current VTF3) to matte finish
-excellent info and obvious passion from Alex (owner) about their products, how they test, how they build, how they support, their customers
-great reviews about not only their performance, but their quality and support
-each sub they make is hand built to order

The downside....
-it's very large...which will cause me to do some rearranging of my HT
-since they're all custom built, it takes about 4 weeks to get one (so I'm "subless" for about a month)

This is no slam against SVS. The eD value, performance (from tests and reports) can't be beat for the money (believe me, I've tried).

Interesting side note....while what's below only shows what clipping does to a subwoofer, it also applies to what an underpowered amp section in an AVR will do to any speaker.....

http://www.icixsound.com/iv/view_vid...ff95ccfa94cebd

Thanks for indulging me with my VTF3 trials and tribulations and the trip I made to replace it.


Good choice Dan!! I think you will be pleased!
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post #4425 of 17039
1/15/09 at 9:53am
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

graphicguy,
I know, I know... that's why I'm in "paralysis" mode again...
Think I'll just ask my better half to pick the one she thinks "looks" best at this point...
At least that way, if something happens I can always say "Well, dear, you picked it"
hmm... come to think of it... I like that! Starting to feel better now..
Thanks for all the input!

Wellllll, just when I had thought things were all decided upon, upon hearing of my HSU dilemma, AV123 stepped up and did a very nice thing for me. And, I've got an MFW 15 on its way instead of the eD A5.

Talk about paralysis by analysis......
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post #4426 of 17039
1/15/09 at 9:53am
.....still waiting, should be here later this week.....Hopefully, I'll have the cash to pick her right up....Every time I look at the markets, I tell myself I shouldn't be buying ANYTHING!(except maybe some Gold)
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post #4427 of 17039
1/15/09 at 10:01am
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Originally Posted by LS2JSTS View Post

With regard to the HOne, has anyone found a quicker way to move something from the last page to the first.....the arrows at the right take forever to move something up the page line.......The first time I set mine up I didn't know about the five minute time out thing, I wasted probably an hour with all those arrows only to find out you need to save every five minutes or so.....

If this is too far off topic, wipe it out, but this thread seems to tolerate the occasional sidetrack....great members in here!

LS I (think) you can change the page order. I remember messing with it, but it was a little while ago. You have to go into the setup on the Harmony WEB site to do it, however. And, I believe you have to reorder the functions (most used, to least used) to get the pages from one screen to another.
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post #4428 of 17039
1/15/09 at 10:59am
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Originally Posted by graphicguy View Post

Wellllll, just when I had thought things were all decided upon, upon hearing of my HSU dilemma, AV123 stepped up and did a very nice thing for me. And, I've got an MFW 15 on its way instead of the eD A5.

Talk about paralysis by analysis......

Dang graphicguy, that's a monster!
Congratulations

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post #4429 of 17039
1/15/09 at 11:14am
Looks like I'm going to be purchasing a SC-07, and I need a real-life depth measurement. I see the depth specs on the Pioneer site, but I would like some responses on the actual minimum amount of cabinet depth (front to back) that I will need. The measurement will have to account for standard wires (RCAs and HDMIs, etc.) that will be plugged in, as the back of the cabinet only allows for ventilation on part of the way up (in the area near the unit, there is wood that the unit will have to sit in front of).

Thanks in advance.
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post #4430 of 17039
1/15/09 at 11:23am
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Originally Posted by SOG9 View Post

Looks like I'm going to be purchasing a SC-07, and I need a real-life depth measurement. I see the depth specs on the Pioneer site, but I would like some responses on the actual minimum amount of cabinet depth (front to back) that I will need. The measurement will have to account for standard wires (RCAs and HDMIs, etc.) that will be plugged in, as the back of the cabinet only allows for ventilation on part of the way up (in the area near the unit, there is wood that the unit will have to sit in front of).

Thanks in advance.

I would go with the depth measurements that Pioneer states....add 3 inches inches clearance to the back for connections, at minimum.

Overall, the SC runs very cool. I have practically no room at the top of mine. But, I've got plenty of room in back and to the sides. Mine barely gets warm to the touch. But, when you start compressing the rear, connections, things can get a bit squirrelly and wires bend in places you don't want them to bend (like bending the SC connectors).
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post #4431 of 17039
1/15/09 at 11:32am
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I would go with the depth measurements that Pioneer states....add 3 inches inches clearance to the back for connections, at minimum.

Overall, the SC runs very cool. I have practically no room at the top of mine. But, I've got plenty of room in back and to the sides. Mine barely gets warm to the touch. But, when you start compressing the rear, connections, things can get a bit squirrelly and wires bend in places you don't want them to bend (like bending the SC connectors).

Well, it looks like I might not be putting the SC-07 in my cabinet.

http://www.standoutdesigns.com/store...enter-p223.htm

I only have, realistically, 18.5 inches in depth. I guess these plasma stands/cabinets aren't made for chunky receivers. Strange....
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post #4432 of 17039
1/15/09 at 11:37am
I am about ready to purchase my home entertainment components for my new house and I am torn between the sc-05 and sc-07. Which one should I purchase? Is there major pros or cons for either one? I am not as smart as the other users on this forum, but am looking for some experienced help. I will be using the receiver with the Pioneer Elite 60" signature series, Pioneer Elite blu-ray player, and either Martin Logan helos 10 or helos 100. Also, does anybody have any help for the other items I am going to purchase.

Your help and opinions are much appreciated!
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post #4433 of 17039
1/15/09 at 1:33pm
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Originally Posted by SOG9 View Post

Well, it looks like I might not be putting the SC-07 in my cabinet.

http://www.standoutdesigns.com/store...enter-p223.htm

I only have, realistically, 18.5 inches in depth. I guess these plasma stands/cabinets aren't made for chunky receivers. Strange....

you are right, that would be a tight fit...
from the dial to the component nipples are 18.125 inches.. that would only leave you about 3/8ths of an inch for cables.
However, I notice the model you are looking at has "Removable back panels also made of solid wood "...
So, that would be an alternative, SCG9.
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1/15/09 at 1:44pm
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I am about ready to purchase my home entertainment components for my new house and I am torn between the sc-05 and sc-07. Which one should I purchase? Is there major pros or cons for either one? I am not as smart as the other users on this forum, but am looking for some experienced help. I will be using the receiver with the Pioneer Elite 60" signature series, Pioneer Elite blu-ray player, and either Martin Logan helos 10 or helos 100. Also, does anybody have any help for the other items I am going to purchase.

Your help and opinions are much appreciated!

differences
If you need dual HDMI out, or component out for zone 2, then the SC-07.
Otherwise, I don't think you would notice a difference, bsimas.
Both are excellent and you would not be dissappointed with either.

The only member who was priviledged to have both the SC-05 and SC-07 is yagimax, and he did note an improvement in 2 channel listening that may be due to the burr brown chips in the SC-07.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post15453736

edit: Good HDMI cables from monoprice.com or bluejeanscable.com are advised.
Either unit would go superbly with your display and blu-ray player combo.
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post #4435 of 17039
1/15/09 at 4:19pm
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you are right, that would be a tight fit...
from the dial to the component nipples are 18.125 inches.. that would only leave you about 3/8ths of an inch for cables.
However, I notice the model you are looking at has "Removable back panels also made of solid wood "...
So, that would be an alternative, SCG9.

Yes, you are correct. I didn't even see that. So I guess with one of those removed, I am good-to-go. Thanks for pointing that out!
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post #4436 of 17039
1/15/09 at 5:44pm
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Yes, you are correct. I didn't even see that. So I guess with one of those removed, I am good-to-go. Thanks for pointing that out!

I have something similar although I had to cut the back out myself. Not only is it easier to access the cables/wires, I'm sure it helps keep it a little cooler even though the fan is on the side. I hardly have any room on either side and the top of the receiver and it never gets hot.
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post #4437 of 17039
1/15/09 at 6:20pm
I read in one of the threads that Pioneer put a lead weight in the SC-05 & 07 to gife the inppression of more weight to the receiver since the class D amps don't have the heavy heatsink Is this true
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post #4438 of 17039
1/15/09 at 6:21pm
oops, forgot to spell check
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post #4439 of 17039
1/15/09 at 7:14pm
I cancelled the RX-V3900 yesterday and got BB to go $1729.00 on a SC-07. What really impressed me was how the 07 did in S&V's December review, specifically the test bench. The measured power output with 5 channels driven was 138 watts. Anyway, I am totally impressed with the fit & finish of the receiver. I ran MCACC and then used my SPL meter to put everything at 75db. Is there anything else anyone has suggestions on such as phase control, eq. on/off, or any of the other dozens of tweaks, options etc. It appears there are 2 levels of MCACC that can be run. Just curious if some of you more experienced owners could share some tips on getting the most out of this machine. I've tried to read the manual in areas but it gives me a headache
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post #4440 of 17039
1/15/09 at 11:05pm
i would say given your equipment list, the price difference would seem to be negligible and most importantly, whether you need something now or not, doesn't mean you might not change your mind in the future and suddenly the little bit extra was worth it... i can't tell you how lucky I am to have gone the 07 route not the 05 route simply for the zone 2 component out...

i also drive martin logans speakers (aeon'i fronts, matinee center and fresco surrounds) in my 5.1 setup, and the 07 does a phenomenal job of giving them what they deserve and vice-versa...

Nice list, you should be thrilled!

RPT

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I am about ready to purchase my home entertainment components for my new house and I am torn between the sc-05 and sc-07. Which one should I purchase? Is there major pros or cons for either one? I am not as smart as the other users on this forum, but am looking for some experienced help. I will be using the receiver with the Pioneer Elite 60" signature series, Pioneer Elite blu-ray player, and either Martin Logan helos 10 or helos 100. Also, does anybody have any help for the other items I am going to purchase.

Your help and opinions are much appreciated!
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