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post #5881 of 17094
at this point, i'm an "all apple" household, however, i used to have a couple of pc's (a desktop and a laptop) that worked just fine with the setup described.
post #5882 of 17094
thanks ccotenj...i guess there really isnt a reason NOT to get the sc-07...ill wait for Filmixers review on the STS...then finally, after 5 months a decision will be made...ha
post #5883 of 17094
you are welcome. when you do make a decision, drop me a pm if you need any assistance getting it to work.
post #5884 of 17094
Is the new Class D ICE amplifier in the 05/07 is solid as the Mosfet amplifier on the older series VSX-56TXi Elite receivers? I see the new Elite receivers weigh quite a bit less.... My old 56 is built like a rock.

I see the new Onkyo SR-876 can handle a 4 ohm load. Can the new Elite?
post #5885 of 17094
Hi s-one,

Did you ever find a solution to your problem?

I have the same issue with my SC-07. Via a networked PC, when I try to play a FLAC I get "Server Error", but I can play the same file with no problems via USB......

Thanks,
Basheer

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Originally Posted by s-one View Post

Yep it sure can. That and the fact I can play the same flac songs USB, I find my whole experience odd. Also note that I have ripped the same cd in WMA lossless and those songs will play fine on the SC05 through the network. I'm thinking that is my route.... only thing is WMA lossless is properitery. I think they sound the same as flac. Not sure though.
post #5886 of 17094
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Originally Posted by GPeaslee View Post

Can't get HMG to work. Only thing between my PC and the SC-05 is the AT&T U-Verse RG/router. Can see the SC-05 on the network. Says "Network Found" on the SC-05. Also can play Internet radio. But in WMP 11, when I enable Media Sharing, it's not seeing the SC-05. Only running Windows Firewall on the PC. Turned it off, still nothing. Have been on the phone twice with Pioneer and AT&T. First Pioneer guy thought it was firewall issue with the AT&T U-Verse RG/router. Second Pioneer guy disagreed and said it was something running on the PC that was blocking media sharing. I have shut down everything on the PC but still nothing. Would appreciate any suggestions especially if someone has gotten the SC-05 to work with U-Verse. Thanks.

You seem to have covered the basics, but one thing you did not mention is if you "authorized" the SC-05 in WMP 11. But maybe you don't even get to that point? In the HMG menu, do you see an entry for the PC? And are you running XP or Vista?
post #5887 of 17094
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Originally Posted by tua09788 View Post

thanks ccotenj...i guess there really isnt a reason NOT to get the sc-07...ill wait for Filmixers review on the STS...then finally, after 5 months a decision will be made...ha

Why wait? There are already a few reviews of the Mythos Sts speakers. Dude I can say in my opinion they are incredible speakers for both music and theater. Strong in both departments. I own a Full Dynaudio Audience speaker package and the Mythos STS speakers have impressed me enough to want to own them myself. I'm torn between the ST's and STS. I'd like to get the STS and save a few pennies to go towards my 60 Elite Kuro tv.
I'm gonna run the Mythos package off my Sc07 and get rid of my Rmb1095.

Dan
post #5888 of 17094
I have just ordered the SC-05, and it's my first receiver with any type of auto calibration. I plan to download the manual and read up on it, but can someone basically explain the procedure & tell me what the difference is between MCACC and advanced MCACC? Do you run the basic one first, then advanced later if you want to make changes?

Any other tips will be appreciated!
post #5889 of 17094
I know that when I had poor network connectivity I would get the error message you are seeing for internet radio. On the home network side, I have no problems playing flac as follows: readynas(flac + mp3)==>switch==>sc-07 + 150(for viewing)==>speakers.

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Originally Posted by Basheer View Post

Hi s-one,

Did you ever find a solution to your problem?

I have the same issue with my SC-07. Via a networked PC, when I try to play a FLAC I get "Server Error", but I can play the same file with no problems via USB......

Thanks,
Basheer
post #5890 of 17094
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Originally Posted by catapult View Post

Unfortunately, EQ can't do much to fix nulls. The sound is getting canceled by reflections and boosting it at those frequencies doesn't help. If you can't move the subs, and can't install bass traps, you need to play with the volume and phase of the individual subs to see if you can tame the nulls. Then run the EQ.

So what is the point of the as-eq1? according to all of the promotion, it is supposed to provide a flat frequency response for all calibrated positions. svs claims the more difficult the room the better this product will work.
post #5891 of 17094
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Originally Posted by Headspace View Post

Is the new Class D ICE amplifier in the 05/07 is solid as the Mosfet amplifier on the older series VSX-56TXi Elite receivers? I see the new Elite receivers weigh quite a bit less.... My old 56 is built like a rock.

I see the new Onkyo SR-876 can handle a 4 ohm load. Can the new Elite?

I didn't have the 56TXi, but I used to own it's bigger brother, the 59 TXi. They were heavier, without a doubt. But, I attribute some of that to the bigger heat sinks needed since they were running AB type amps in them. Some of it was because of the extensive copper shielding used in the 5xTXi series, too. Before I purchased the SC 05, I wondered what affect the copper shielding had on SQ. My fears were unfounded, though as the SC 05 sounds better than my 59TXi.

Those were very nice AVRs. My SC 05 outmuscles the 59 TXi, however.

The SC series doesn't need large heat sinks since they're Class D switching amps and run much more efficiently and much cooler (my SC 05 never gets more than lukewarm, at most). I've got it in a tight space, too.

My speakers are a mix of 4 Ohm-6 Ohm loads. The SC 05 never breaks a sweat driving them. One owner that used to post here has an all Magnepan set up (very difficult to drive) and was pleased with the results with an SC driving them.

In David Vaughn's review for UltimateAV (linked on the first page of this thread) he was running all 4 Ohm M&K speakers and reported the SC 05 drove them very well.

Hope that helps.
post #5892 of 17094
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Originally Posted by worduphod View Post

So what is the point of the as-eq1? according to all of the promotion, it is supposed to provide a flat frequency response for all calibrated positions. svs claims the more difficult the room the better this product will work.

Personal opinion, but nulls are much more difficult to address than frequency boosts. While I don't use EQ, the only way I could address the nulls is room placement. If you have flexibility in placement, I'd give that a shot, first.

Short of that, there are many good EQ options out there.....eq1 being just one of them.

Lot of people using sub EQ of different stripes in these threads. I'm sure they'll chime in.
post #5893 of 17094
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Originally Posted by graphicguy View Post

I didn't have the 56TXi, but I used to own it's bigger brother, the 59 TXi. They were heavier, without a doubt. But, I attribute some of that to the bigger heat sinks needed since they were running AB type amps in them. Some of it was because of the extensive copper shielding used in the 5xTXi series, too. Before I purchased the SC 05, I wondered what affect the copper shielding had on SQ. My fears were unfounded, though as the SC 05 sounds better than my 59TXi.

Those were very nice AVRs. My SC 05 outmuscles the 59 TXi, however.

Thanks for your comment on the comparison to the 59TXi. I currently have a 59TXi in my theater set-up and have been seriously thinking about replacing it with an SC05, mostly because many of my source components are now HDMI and some are not passing the best audio over the digital audio connections. I have been a little suspect of changing because of how much I like the sound of the 59TXi!

Could you please elaborate a little on how the SC 05 "outmuscles" the 59 TXi? I guess I'm looking for someone to push me over the edge to get the SC 05...
post #5894 of 17094
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Originally Posted by info_dan View Post

You seem to have covered the basics, but one thing you did not mention is if you "authorized" the SC-05 in WMP 11. But maybe you don't even get to that point? In the HMG menu, do you see an entry for the PC? And are you running XP or Vista?

Thanks for the reply. No, I didn't authorize the SC-05 in WMP 11, because it's not seeing the SC-05. When I try to enable media sharing, the PC seems to think for 30 seconds, then nothing pops up. And no, I am not seeing the PC on HMG menu. I am running Windows XP. One other thing. I am able to ping the IP address of the SC-05.
post #5895 of 17094
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by catapult View Post

Nah Charles, my preferences are more like this. It's not about loud, it's about flat and clean. I've never seen bass response that flat in a room without bass traps. Gonna have to try that.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=837744

http://freenet-homepage.de/FoLLgoTT/...sung_24oct.gif

WOW, let us know how it goes, catapult..
post #5896 of 17094
Thread Starter 
Here's my sub.. excuse the wires, was running rew last night..

VFT3-MK3 Rosenut


No, I don't normally have my surround speakers on the sub..

Wife's into fru-fru crap, so she wanted me to paint the stands....
just finished painting them and waiting for the clearcoat to dry


(Click photo for larger image)

They were originally 36" SP200 Bello all black metal stands:
http://www.racksandstands.com/Bello-SP-200-BB0022.html
What can I say? If it makes her happy and she lets me play with my toys
post #5897 of 17094
Thread Starter 
GPeaslee;
How do you have it connected? Are you using wireless or a direct ethernet wire?
Do a ipconfig /all on your computer
then go to your SC-05 and make sure they are in the same DCHP IP group, and have the same subnet, gateway etc... Odd your computer doesn't see it on the network.
post #5898 of 17094
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

GPeaslee;
How do you have it connected? Are you using wireless or a direct ethernet wire?
Do a ipconfig /all on your computer
then go to your SC-05 and make sure they are in the same DCHP IP group, and have the same subnet, gateway etc... Odd your computer doesn't see it on the network.

You might also want to try disabling the windows firewall, disconnect your uverse from your network, and see if you can then see if the PC and sc-05 can communicate. You may be running into a firewall issue. I know when I setup my linux server with mediatomb, I had to put in some specific firewall rules to open the ports for upnp, the service used by DLNA. If you need that port list send me a PM, and I'll post them to the board when I get home so everyone has them.
post #5899 of 17094
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Originally Posted by blee1 View Post

Thanks for your comment on the comparison to the 59TXi. I currently have a 59TXi in my theater set-up and have been seriously thinking about replacing it with an SC05, mostly because many of my source components are now HDMI and some are not passing the best audio over the digital audio connections. I have been a little suspect of changing because of how much I like the sound of the 59TXi!

Could you please elaborate a little on how the SC 05 "outmuscles" the 59 TXi? I guess I'm looking for someone to push me over the edge to get the SC 05...

Well....the SC 05 has more headroom than the 59. Admittedly, my normal listening vol is somewhere in the 75db-80db range. So, I probably listen at louder SPL than most.

I felt that on some material I was getting a wee bit of compression with the 59. Not a lot. And not with everything I listened to. But, with enough material that I sometimes noticed it.

That's not to say I was ever unhappy with the 59. It's just that I think the SC series is better. Could be caused by the ICEamps. Could be caused by more advanced MCACC in the SC. I really don't know.

Just recently, I have observed that the "warm" sound I got from my 59TXi is being reproduced by the SC 05. That could be because I'm all Pio in source and AVR (which I also was with the 59 TXi combo'd with the 59AVi disk player).

I've said it before, any Pioneer gear I've ever had, I've been thrilled with. I've strayed to other brands, but always seem to come back to Pioneer.

FWIW, I sold the 59TXi/59AVi to a friend. He's got some modest speakers. Don't know the model numbers, but they're small JBL bookshelfs in a 5.1 config). The 59TXi really woke them up.

After he heard my system, now he's caught the bug and is looking for speaker/sub upgrades to join the 59 TXi.
post #5900 of 17094
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Originally Posted by Headspace View Post

...I see the new Onkyo SR-876 can handle a 4 ohm load. Can the new Elite?

The SC-07 is certified as THX Ultra2. To be certified, Ultra amplifiers must be stable on all channels into 3.2 ohm loads.

There is no apparent difference between the amps used in the 05 vs the 07, so it is reasonable to expect the 05 would perform as well, even though Pioneer did not choose to have them receive Ultra certification. THX Select amps such as the 01/03/05 are certified into 4 ohm loads, but the requirement applies only to the front channels. The way modern AVR's are designed, it's probable that the surrounds would pass the same tests as the fronts, but THX does not require them to.
post #5901 of 17094
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by echrise View Post

You might also want to try disabling the windows firewall, disconnect your uverse from your network, and see if you can then see if the PC and sc-05 can communicate. You may be running into a firewall issue. I know when I setup my linux server with mediatomb, I had to put in some specific firewall rules to open the ports for upnp, the service used by DLNA. If you need that port list send me a PM, and I'll post them to the board when I get home so everyone has them.

That would be great, echrise
I'll put a link to them on the first page once you post them.
Thank you for the time and effort!
post #5902 of 17094
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Originally Posted by graphicguy View Post

I didn't have the 56TXi, but I used to own it's bigger brother, the 59 TXi. They were heavier, without a doubt. But, I attribute some of that to the bigger heat sinks needed since they were running AB type amps in them. Some of it was because of the extensive copper shielding used in the 5xTXi series, too. Before I purchased the SC 05, I wondered what affect the copper shielding had on SQ. My fears were unfounded, though as the SC 05 sounds better than my 59TXi.

What graphicguy said. I would add that Class D amps can get by with a much smaller power supply for the same output power because of their increased efficiency. Smaller transformer = less weight. As well, it's unclear whether Pioneer is using the on-board switching power supply like the stock B&O modules because nobody has torn one apart far enough to get into the sealed lower amp chamber. If they are, the transformer for the amp section can be tiny because it's operating at a much higher frequency than 60Hz. Bottom line, weight isn't a good indicator of build quality when it comes to switching supplies and Class D amps.

Edit: here's a pic of a complete ICE 1000ASP amp board including the power supply. Actual size is about 6"x9" and it will do 1000 watts into 4 ohms. The transformer is the little thing in the middle.


LL
post #5903 of 17094
Although the 05/07 have been around for some time now, this site did a review of the 07. Hope it's not a repost.

s-one
post #5904 of 17094
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by s-one View Post

Although the 05/07 have been around for some time now, this site did a review of the 07. Hope it's not a repost.

s-one

Thanks for the link s-one!
Added to the first page now.
post #5905 of 17094
Thread Starter 
chriskav73,
Thanks for the update!
Sorry it didn't work out for you. I happens.. that's why there are so many choices
Anyway, hope your new reciever gives you what you are looking for!
You are right, it is the entire system as a whole that makes it work.
post #5906 of 17094
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Originally Posted by s-one View Post

Although the 05/07 have been around for some time now, this site did a review of the 07. Hope it's not a repost.

s-one

Nice find. Interesting note....they said for 5.1 only, the SC 05 would be fine. Both the SC 07/ SC 05 are 7.1 AVRs.

Good review, nonetheless!
post #5907 of 17094
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Originally Posted by catapult View Post

What graphicguy said. I would add that Class D amps can get by with a much smaller power supply for the same output power because of their increased efficiency. Smaller transformer = less weight. As well, it's unclear whether Pioneer is using the on-board switching power supply like the stock B&O modules because nobody has torn one apart far enough to get into the sealed lower amp chamber. If they are, the transformer for the amp section can be tiny because it's operating at a much higher frequency than 60Hz. Bottom line, weight isn't a good indicator of build quality when it comes to switching supplies and Class D amps.

Edit: here's a pic of a complete ICE 1000ASP amp board including the power supply. Actual size is about 6"x9" and it will do 1000 watts into 4 ohms. The transformer is the little thing in the middle.


Dennis....thanks for the pic. Nice shot of how Pioneer/B&O get's so much power out of such small amp modules.

While I never owned the 56 TXi, I always felt the amp sections between the 56 TXi and 59 TXi to be exactly the same. They seem to do this a lot with their upper tier of Elite AVRs.
post #5908 of 17094
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Originally Posted by TL5 View Post

I have just ordered the SC-05, and it's my first receiver with any type of auto calibration. I plan to download the manual and read up on it, but can someone basically explain the procedure & tell me what the difference is between MCACC and advanced MCACC? Do you run the basic one first, then advanced later if you want to make changes?

Any other tips will be appreciated!

This thread is a good place to start...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1112470

I'm just getting spun up on it. Still not sure when to do the multi-point standing-wave measurements in the Gamedog sequence though... anyhow, Enjoy!
post #5909 of 17094
Hey guys. I am in a room that 28x14x8 for the theater. I noticed that in the SC-07 MCAAC menu, you can choose how far appart the rear speakers are.

Dolby recommends 150-135 degree placement for rears. I've always had them about 3 feet appart, but that only got me to the 160 degree or so range. I just now pushed them to 5 ft appart and adjusted MCAAC accordingly.

My question to you guys is do you like your rear speakers closer or pushed out farther? I'm also wondering what changes in AVR output are made when you select the rear channel speaker distance. Does it take a bit of sound usually played in the sides and push it to the rears?
post #5910 of 17094
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Originally Posted by NismoZ View Post

Hey guys. I am in a room that 28x14x8 for the theater. I noticed that in the SC-07 MCAAC menu, you can choose how far appart the rear speakers are.

Dolby recommends 150-135 degree placement for rears. I've always had them about 3 feet appart, but that only got me to the 160 degree or so range. I just now pushed them to 5 ft appart and adjusted MCAAC accordingly.

My question to you guys is do you like your rear speakers closer or pushed out farther? I'm also wondering what changes in AVR output are made when you select the rear channel speaker distance. Does it take a bit of sound usually played in the sides and push it to the rears?

I think it at the very least changes how the THX algorithms program sound for the back surrounds, but I'm not sure if it even changes how Dolby/DTS, etc is processed otherwise...
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