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post #6451 of 17094
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Cool, ccotenj!

Thanks for all the great tips!
I really love this forum.
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Cool, ccotenj!

Thanks for all the great tips!
I really love this forum.

well, in my "previous life" i did a lot of process analysis... so it's a bit of a curse that the more i ponder something, the more ways i think of to get there... the more i think about this, i think a separate "HMG" activity is definitely the way to go...

i think if i was going to use hmg a lot for streaming, i'd find myself a small el cheapo lcd display and figure out a way to mount it close to my chair, so i wouldn't have to use the main display... that would be the truly elegant solution... short of the susano, of course....

hey, i'm happy to be able to contribute something...

btw, anyone call pio yet about the neural issue?
post #6453 of 17094
Ok ccotenj, I've been messing around with the H1 and adding another Activity: Just add a "Generic Activity", then configure/customize your buttons from there. Seems to be working for HMG stuff just fine.

Below are settings: I've even programmed it to select my Music MCACC profile for the Activity!
post #6454 of 17094
I did a quick research and it looks like VSX-94 owners were able to connect to Neural Music no problem in the beginning. Newer units started having some trouble. Is it possible that the latest firmware for the 94s and subsequently for the SC series has created the issue? It's probably a feature that very few people use/know about.We should definitely let Pioneer know.

So who's making this call?

Neural Music Direct also has an official website (www.neuralmusicdirect.com)
Not much help there...
post #6455 of 17094
Is anyone having a problem reading FLAC files on their SC-05/07?? I have an SC-07 and when I try to access my FLAC directories, I receive an error. I have no such issues with the MP3 directories.

For the record, my FLAC files are encoded with 8-bit quantization (not sure about the sampling frequency though, but I'm pretty sure it's within the parameters listed on p.83 of the manual).

Any ideas as to what I may be doing wrong? Thanks in advance...
post #6456 of 17094
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Originally Posted by NismoZ View Post

Ok ccotenj, I've been messing around with the H1 and adding another Activity: Just add a "Generic Activity", then configure/customize your buttons from there. Seems to be working for HMG stuff just fine.

Below are settings: I've even programmed it to select my Music MCACC profile for the Activity!

Cool! I thought I was the only one who went to that degree of customization with my Harmony.

I don't have a screen capture, but I do have different settings programmed for different sources.
post #6457 of 17094
i like it! if i get a few minutes tonight, i'll set it up...

of course, now i'm stuck on the "small lcd mounted next to my chair" idea...
post #6458 of 17094
Hello,

I purchased an SC-05 and I'm having an issue with my Oppo 971h. The Oppo has a dvi connector for video and i get no sound when connecting sound through coaxial, optical or rca jacks. I tried every setting in the receiver i can think of, to get it to work but nothing, odd thing is when i switch to set-up in the 05 the sound will kick-in when there is no picture. When i connect my pc (which also has a dvi port on the video card), I have the same problem. Is there some setting in the 05 that needs to be changed for this to work properly. I would really appreciate any help with this issue, if anyone knows? I hope this is enough info, if not, i can provide more. Thanks in advance!
post #6459 of 17094
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Originally Posted by Oberron View Post

Hello,

I purchased an SC-05 and I'm having an issue with my Oppo 971h. The Oppo has a dvi connector for video and i get no sound when connecting sound through coaxial, optical or rca jacks. I tried every setting in the receiver i can think of, to get it to work but nothing, odd thing is when i switch to set-up in the 05 the sound will kick-in when there is no picture. When i connect my pc (which also has a dvi port on the video card), I have the same problem. Is there some setting in the 05 that needs to be changed for this to work properly. I would really appreciate any help with this issue, if anyone knows? I hope this is enough info, if not, i can provide more. Thanks in advance!

Welcome, Oberron!

Try this (with video functioning):
With HDMI, the default audio is also HDMI (even with DVI to HDMI)
select signal select from the remote and scroll from HDMI, ANALOG, to DIGITAL..
Hopefully, that should do it.
(page 38 of the Manual)
This may help as well.. hope that does it. Please let us know.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post15813363
post #6460 of 17094
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Harmony and your SC-07 and SC-05
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Problems with HGM Cursor control:
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.............................................Also, is anyone having problems with HMG and Harmony ONE remotes? All of the HMG direction commands (HMGUp, HmgDown, HmgLeft, etc, for navigating) get sent twice, so it's impossible to access every other station. No idea how to fix this.

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- select the device.
- select "troubleshoot"
- select "responds too many times or only occasionally"

default is "3"...

i just tried switching it to "2", and now the cursor only moves 1 line at a time... so what he did will work... now i gotta do a regression test, but it appears as if it hasn't had a bad effect on the other buttons...



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Had the same problem and what I wound up doing to fix it is to re-learn the problematic commands (all of the HMG commands, I think) from the original Pioneer remote. My guess is that the customer who initially entered the SC-07 HMG commands was pressing the button multiple times.

Dan.


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I had this problem with the down arrow. It took several attempts to relearn it, but with a REAL quick push of the button and then prematurely pull the Pioneer remote away so that it cuts out the signal part way through the learning. My logic was that the Harmony was only going to learn half of the signal, thus somehow hoping that it translates to one push of the button instead of two. All I really know is that it worked.


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If you choose the HMG-up button from the drop down list it does it, but if you tell it to learn a new button and set the pio remote behind it and push the button and then hard code that button it only does it once. No idea why, but it works.



Setting up HGM in the Harmony:
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Ok ccotenj, I've been messing around with the H1 and adding another Activity: Just add a "Generic Activity", then configure/customize your buttons from there. Seems to be working for HMG stuff just fine.

Below are settings: I've even programmed it to select my Music MCACC profile for the Activity!


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you could also set up an activity... that might be "cleaner" and more "harmony like"... call it "hmg" (or whatever), and map the hmg cursor keys there...

alternatively, instead of having 14 pages in the sc-05 device commands, you can delete out the ones you don't use... i got rid of all the sirius/ipod/bunch of other ones...

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or if you don't want to actually take all the worthless ones out, you can always just migrate the ones you use all the time up to the first page...

i have some to do too, since i'm liking the idea of a separate activity...



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I was having fits with connections, too until I turned "HDMI Control" off. Now everything, including my Dish box comes in through HDMI and I was able to rename the SAT input. I use a Harmony One for control and have absolutely no need for the HDMI control feature. My components are all over the place brand wise so its useless for me anyway.

Pioneer SC-05
Panasonic BD-55
Oppo 980H
Dish 722
Samsung LN52A650


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Juan, have you figured out a way (with the Harmony One) to link surround modes or MCAAC presets to specific input sources?
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No I have not, I have a 688, but The One is in my wish list. What I have done is setup the buttons that change the surround formats, music and direct buttons on the second screen of my Harmony remote for every activity. This way, I can change the sound format no matter what activity I use. I am also pretty happy with the results of the MCACC so I have not messed with it much. I do plan to play with it though, just not enough time in the day.


Switching inputs at startup:

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I received the Harmony One for Christmas and absolutely love it. The problem I am having is with switching inputs at start up. I have a Pio 5020 display and when it first powers up you are not able to change anything as it says, "Starting up. Please wait."

I have different Activities for watching with my receiver and watching without which require different input settings. If I shut everything down when I last watched with Input 4, then want to power up the next day using Input 5, it won't change due to the "start up stage." I tried putting in multiple delays, but without success. I may be doing something wrong on the delays.

The only way I have been able to work around this is to put a customized button for Input 5 that I hit after start up or hit the Help button to resend the signal. Both of these work, but it seems like the customized delays would work. I tried everything from multiple 10 seconds, 5, combination of both, etc. No luck.

Under Custom Action, what is the difference between, "Set it to this input:" and "Set the InputType state to:?"

Thanks for the help! Blue

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I would just add another activity and have the Harmony change the input to HMG. The buttons should work, if not go into the remote setup for that activity and choose the buttons you want to use from the device you will be using to control that activity, in this case, the receiver.. It is really simple.


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Ok, figured it out. I did not have my delay commands set up properly. Thanks



volume control on this unit. if you hold the volume up or down it goes up or down too fast. if you tap volume up or down it takes too long to get to where you want
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set up your "Inter-Key" delay in the Harmony for the AVR, say 50-100ms or so. I don't think the delay will be noticeable in normal operation but it should when you hold the key down for volume changes. I haven't tried it but I think it should work.

EDIT: I just set my Harmony to delay button presses @ 100 ms, works great. Faster than pushing the button, slow enough to see the volume changes. It's a keeper.

post #6461 of 17094
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Thought I would try to put together the tips/issues and link them above.. that way we can update and add as necessary for a resource....

if this is silly, let me know.. I'll replace it with my vacation slides or something. Or pictures of my SC-07 laying on the beach

These cover most of the ones from about when the SC-07/05 was available for the Harmony. I think. Before that, you could only download the profiles of the VSX-94.
Seems a lot of us have this particular remote, so I don't think it will be considered too off topic.


Edit: link added to first page.
post #6462 of 17094
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

Thought I would try to put together the tips/issues and link them above.. that way we can update and add as necessary for a resource....

if this is silly, let me know.. I'll replace it with my vacation slides or something. Or pictures of my SC-07 laying on the beach

These cover most of the ones from about when the SC-07/05 was available for the Harmony. I think. Before that, you could only download the profiles of the VSX-94.
Seems a lot of us have this particular remote, so I don't think it will be considered too off topic.

As always, great work Charles.
post #6463 of 17094
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... It's probably a feature that very few people use/know about.We should definitely let Pioneer know.

So who's making this call?

Neural Music Direct also has an official website
Not much help there...

I called Pioneer. They supposedly checked and they can't get on either.

I just bought an SC-05 and this is the only function I'm having trouble with so far. Maybe NMD is overloaded by new Pioneer owners now that the prices dropped.
post #6464 of 17094
Is there any way to turn off HDMI control and still use PQLS or whatever it's called?

I have disabled the control in my Samsung TV, so I can now turn off my TV when listening to a CD in my BDP05 without my whole system shutting down. But it still causes the player to stall and switch PQLS off and then back on again before resuming play which I could really do without.

Ideally I'd shut down HDMI control altogether, but it looks like that will totally disable PQLS; is this correct?
post #6465 of 17094
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Correct kramster73, HDMI Control has to be on in your SC-07/05 receiver and BDP-05/51 blu-ray.
post #6466 of 17094
So for you owners out there... I REALLY want one of these. I've got a few postings asking questions. But I'm not sure where I should try to buy one of these (or if that kind of talk is even pc in this forum).

So what might be recommended? A "new" one on eBay... or out of a store somewhere that *hopefully* has a good price. Obviously, price vs. getting the real deal is the issue.
post #6467 of 17094
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Originally Posted by raskol666 View Post

I called Pioneer. They supposedly checked and they can't get on either.

I just bought an SC-05 and this is the only function I'm having trouble with so far. Maybe NMD is overloaded by new Pioneer owners now that the prices dropped.

Thanks for the update, raskol666
BTW, congratulations and welcome to the ICE Club!

(To everyone else: Now we can nod sagely and say, "well, we were gonna call" eventually)

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btw, anyone call pio yet about the neural issue?

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.We should definitely let Pioneer know.
So who's making this call?
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post #6468 of 17094
CHP_VR,

That did it!!! Thank you so much for the info! That was driving me nuts. I really appreciate your help.
post #6469 of 17094
I just want to confirm what I believe I see in prior posts and the manual. For the SC-07, the second output (HDMI or Component) only takes what comes in. So for the video on the output 2, Component In goes to Component Out, HDMI In goes to HDMI out (so no conversion of any sort, even Component to HDMI at the same resolution)?
This is the manual wording that I am referring to.
d.SC-07 only: The video convert function does not work for ZONE 2.
Connect the composite video and component video to the same
types of jacks for the inputs and outputs.

Is this true even if I set the output to HDMI Out All?

Also, is the audio on HDMI to Out 2 just a pass through or is that port video only. So if I run HDMI A/V in I will get the same A/V out of HDMI Out 2?


I am sure both have been discussed, I was just having trouble finding the definitive post.
post #6470 of 17094
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Originally Posted by Oberron View Post

CHP_VR,

That did it!!! Thank you so much for the info! That was driving me nuts. I really appreciate your help.

That's what we try to do here, Oberron
Glad it worked..
Please let us know what you think of your SC-05!
post #6471 of 17094
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Originally Posted by Juan View Post

Yes, as long as the mic is set in the primary listening postion.

Juan before I go through the hassle of MCACC, can you tell me if its worth the trouble?

I basically just set the crossover to 80hz on my sub and that's it for calibration.

Do you hear any appreciable difference in sound quality after using MCACC?
post #6472 of 17094
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Originally Posted by Rieper View Post

Juan before I go through the hassle of MCACC, can you tell me if its worth the trouble?

I basically just set the crossover to 80hz on my sub and that's it for calibration.

Do you hear any appreciable difference in sound quality after using MCACC?

Definitely run the MCACC, it will totally improve your sound as it makes corrections for your room.
post #6473 of 17094
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Originally Posted by Juan View Post

As always, great work Charles.

yup, ditto to that...

i think that in another few months, we'll be able to publish "the 'hidden' sc05/sc07' manual"...
post #6474 of 17094
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Originally Posted by Rieper View Post

Juan before I go through the hassle of MCACC, can you tell me if its worth the trouble?

I basically just set the crossover to 80hz on my sub and that's it for calibration.

Do you hear any appreciable difference in sound quality after using MCACC?

Oh my God, YES.
post #6475 of 17094
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aseer;
The HDMI out 1 and 2 will only output the same source. Quick test if your display has more than one HDMI input: Example, I can connect HDMI out1(SC-07) to INPUT 4 (Kuro), and HDMI out2 (SC-07) to INPUT 5 (KURO), switching between input 4 and input 5 result in identical video and audio..
You also have the option of outputing only HDMI Out1 or Out2 or BOTH...
I think that was your question...
As for zone2, sorry, haven't experimented with that on the video side yet.. (future projects).
post #6476 of 17094
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Originally Posted by Rieper View Post

Juan before I go through the hassle of MCACC, can you tell me if its worth the trouble?

I basically just set the crossover to 80hz on my sub and that's it for calibration.

Do you hear any appreciable difference in sound quality after using MCACC?

It really isn't much of a hassle to do the basic MCACC setup. Only takes a few minutes. Of course, we tweakers can make an all day project out of it, but that's not necessary.

How much difference it makes pretty much depends on the room. It can be dramatic in an acoustically poor room. Of course, a few people have become accustomed to the coloration of their speakers in their room and don't like a "flatter" response, at least at first.
post #6477 of 17094
Rieper,

also, after you run the MCACC, make sure you go into the setup and set your speakers for 80Hz, the MCACC tends to set the speakers to Large.
post #6478 of 17094
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

aseer;
The HDMI out 1 and 2 will only output the same source. Quick test if your display has more than one HDMI input: Example, I can connect HDMI out1(SC-07) to INPUT 4 (Kuro), and HDMI out2 (SC-07) to INPUT 5 (KURO), switching between input 4 and input 5 result in identical video and audio..
You also have the option of outputing only HDMI Out1 or Out2 or BOTH...
I think that was your question...
As for zone2, sorry, haven't experimented with that on the video side yet.. (future projects).

Thanks for checking. That was part of the question. It also appears that for HDMI output 2 that component inputs cannot be output (at least that is how I interpreted the part of the manual I cut into my post). So if you have a Component input you can display it on on HDMI 1 using conversion but not on HDMI 2 (which is why I was confused about what HDMI Out Both would do with a component input).

It may be that I am confusing Zone 2 functionality with HDMI Output 2 functionality.
post #6479 of 17094
Thread Starter 
Interesting notes on the SC-07 I never noticed before regarding HDMI OUT...
(thanks aseer, for leading me to it)

page 100
SC-07 only
Set which terminal to use when outputting video and
audio signals from the HDMI output terminals (HDMI
OUT1, HDMI OUT2 or HDMI OUT ALL).
The HDMI OUT1 terminal is compatible with the HDMI
control function.
note1:
If you wish to use the synchronized amp mode, switch
to HDMI OUT1,
page 17
SC-07 only: When connecting to an HDMI/DVIcompatible
monitor or a flat panel TV using the HDMI
OUT2 terminal, switch the HDMI output setting to HDMI
OUT2 or HDMI OUT ALL.
page 89
SC-07 only: To use the HDMI control function,
connect this receiver and flat panel TV using the
HDMI OUT 1 terminal. Connecting the HDMI control
compatible component using the HDMI OUT 2
terminal may result in malfunction. If this happens,
turn off the HDMI control compatible component's
HDMI control setting.


Looking at the back:

So people having HDMI Control issues may want to try HDMI out2...
Gonna have to experiment...
post #6480 of 17094
Not what I had in mind when I asked for a fix for the HMG arrow repeat problem...

Orig Question submitted:
I have the Pioneer SC-07 reciever. When I program the directional buttons into the Harmony One: HMG-CursorUp, HMG-CursorLeft, HMG-CursorRight, HMG-Down, the buttons make 2 movements on the Reciever when they should only make one.

Multiple users have reported this on the AVSforum.com as a problem.

Can you let me know when this will be fixed?


Tech Support Answer:
Thank you for your recent inquiry about your

We are sorry to hear that you are experiencing problems with your Harmony remote. We do apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you. I understand that the a/v receivers direction commands are duplicating. I have lowered the repeat settings for the a/v receiver to fix the problem. Please update your remote to reflect the changes and test the direction commands.

If you would like further information and other tips on customizing your remote please visit the FAQ portion of your Harmony member website. To access, Click Support, then click FAQ while logged in your Harmony member page.

We hope that we were able to assist you in resolving this issue, however if you are still experiencing any difficulties with your Harmony Remote, please feel free to contact us again.

Regards,

Harmony Technical Support

Repsonce from me:
Robert T, please give me the details of the setting you changed. What settings specificaly and is this end-user adjustable?

I did not want my remote settings changed so that button performace would be degraded in any way. Can you please set this back to before you changed it?
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