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post #6931 of 17094
Top....something's wrong. The SC 05 should very significantly outperform your Integra. Make sure you put DNR to OFF. Run MCACC. Check all connections to make certain they're secure and correct.

Just a few things to check before we get any more in-depth.
post #6932 of 17094
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Originally Posted by Macfan424 View Post

The detachable part is actually useful to some owners with difficult installations, though.


I totally agree
post #6933 of 17094
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Originally Posted by mrgribbles View Post

Yes, I miss this also. I took a power strip and stuck a 12v mini relay inside that operates off the 12v trigger. The nice thing is that the 12v trigger is selectable by input so you can set it to operate when you switch to CD on the Pio. Pretty cheap and easy to do.

This sounds like a great idea. Can you give me a bit more info please?

Thanks,
Chris
post #6934 of 17094
Initial thoughts on my new SC-07 receiver.
Replaced a five year old Anthem AVM20 pre/pro, Which I paid $3400. The Anthem was excellent, and really found it hard to let go of it. Couldn't believe a pre/pro of that caliber should be replaced by a mid-priced receiver. Pulled trigger and prayed.
But after basic calibration of the 07, setting speaker sizes, distances and output levels to 75db. I am truely amazed at how much better everything sounds now with comparison to the Anthem. My comparison with Anthem includes running audio outs of my BDP-05 to the Anthem. I think it's fair to say that today's new receivers at mid point pricing surpasses relatively high end technology even going back 4 years. I know a lot of you a saying, tell us something we don't know, I now know. Belive me, I'm a slow learner or I must be convinced with my own ears. I'm convinced! This receiver (actually
pre/pro) I'm using an external amp (Sherbourn 7/2100) is more than I expected, and couldn't be more pleased with the decision to go with the 07. The output audio quality
is so engaging that I'm wondering if I should even consider getting into the MCACC calibration system?
Thoughts?
post #6935 of 17094
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Originally Posted by markeetaux View Post

The output audio quality is so engaging that I'm wondering if I should even consider getting into the MCACC calibration system?
Thoughts?

Run MCACC and see if you like it. You can always disable it if you don't find that it improves the sound. There is so much tweakability in this receiver that if you can't get it to sound exactly how you want than a) your speakers are junk and/or b) you room is junk and/or c) source material is junk.

This receiver is terrific, and I'm 100% glad I got it.
post #6936 of 17094
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Originally Posted by bmwracer3 View Post

Run MCACC and see if you like it. You can always disable it if you don't find that it improves the sound. There is so much tweakability in this receiver that if you can't get it to sound exactly how you want than a) your speakers are junk and/or b) you room is junk and/or c) source material is junk.

This receiver is terrific, and I'm 100% glad I got it.

bmwracer:

You forgot your 4th option:
d) your hearing is junk...
post #6937 of 17094
anyone using a pioneer elite 59avi with analogue outs for sacd and dvd audio? i am coming from a 56txi and i find the sound very different. i want to make sure i dont need to change some settings in the 59 or the sc05 now that i am using analogue.
post #6938 of 17094
I just did a very quick swap out of my old Onkyo and the new SC-07.

Mind you I have only performed a bare minimum of setup on the actually receiver, since I spent a great deal of time charting out on paper what video and digital audio inputs all of my sources were using. Yeah, and then tweaking every single input in the receiver to tell it what video and audio inputs these components needed. And then I remembered that HDMI takes care of all of this, and I blurted out a loud Homer-esque "DOH."

Basically I have ran the room correction program once, and let the parameters fall where the did, atleast the distances were all accurate. I was more fascinated with the actual process as I have never owned a receiver with room correction before!

The sound quality is already superior in just about every way to the Onkyo. It sounds "Huge," that's the only way I know how to describe it I will spend some time with the receiver and mccac tomorrow, and see how much further I can push this monster
post #6939 of 17094
I'm setting up my new SC-05 this weekend...I have a question on the "Sound Retreiver" feature. I will be using a Squeezebox, and if I engage the Sound Retreiver, will the setting be universal to all inputs, or just the one I have the Sound Retreiver on? Can anyone who uses this feature tell me a little about it?

Thanks!
post #6940 of 17094
I was at best buy yesterday and listened to Denon 3808 and SC-07. My friend and I did not notice any change in sound.
post #6941 of 17094
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

I was at best buy yesterday and listened to Denon 3808 and SC-07. My friend and I did not notice any change in sound.

well, that's good for you, especially if you already have a 3808, as you'll have more money to spend on other things...
post #6942 of 17094
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Originally Posted by Chris Dias View Post

This sounds like a great idea. Can you give me a bit more info please?

Thanks,
Chris

If you're not inclined to do it yourself I have seen power strips that have this function built in but IIRC they are very pricey, circa $100 or so.

I had the materials I needed already but here's what you would need from Radio Shack:
1) 275-248 12V Relay 10amp AC load
* Coil rating of 12VDC
* 30mA
* 400 ohms
* Body size of 9/16x5/32x5/8"

The 30mA coil is important as the 12v triggers combined only source 50mA. The 10A is also important if you are going to hook up some loads. I use mine for my subs and some back lighting.

2) 274-251 1/8" Mono panel mount jack
Note: This is an open connector. You may want to use an insulated type, especially if your power strip is a metal case as this would short.

3) 1/8" male to male mono cable to connect to the 12v trigger jacks.

4) A power strip with some room inside to fit in the relay and the plug connector.

Open up the power strip and find a good place to fit in the relay and a place to put the jack. Drill a hole to accept the jack.

Cut or desolder the incoming AC black wire ahead of the 120v receptacles. Connect (I recommend soldering) one side of the black wire to the NO pin on the relay. Connect the other side of the black wire (going out to the receptacles) to the common pin on the relay. That's it for the AC line.

Solder a wire from the 1/8" jack ground connector (this is the one that contacts the side of the plug) to one of the coil pins on the relay. If the coil pins are polarized, connect to the "-". Do the same with the tip connector to the other coil pin, this is the +12v incoming. Most DC relays aren't polarized. That's it for the DC.

I super glued the relay to the power strip case. Close it up. Plug in the AC and run like hell. If nothing happens good. The AC receptacles should be off. Connect a 12v trigger with the 1/8" cable on the back of the AVR to the connector you installed on the power strip. Go into the Pio setup menu and select an input, on the second page should be your 12v trigger assignments set it to "MAIN". The 120v receptacles should be on when you exit setup. That's it. $10 and a 1/2 hour.

Note: If you get a 12v trigger error on your display you have a short in the 12v wiring or the relay coil is pulling more than 50mA. After you fix it, you must press standby on & off to reset the circuit protection inside the AVR.

Another note: My technical writing skills or lack thereof not withstanding if the above doesn't make any sense or you can't figure this out yourself you're better off not doing it. It's easy to do and it's also easy to screw up for the un-electrical inclined. Have someone do it for you or buy the ready to go power strip.

TBS, good luck. Mine works great and since the built in 120v switched outlets in AVRs typically only carry an amp or less this adds more functionality.
post #6943 of 17094
Thanks for the tips mrgribbles I will give this a try.

My next question is is there a way to disable any inputs you aren't using so that you don't have to scroll through them all when you are using the knob on the front of the receiver? Not a big deal but just wondering.

Chris
post #6944 of 17094
Hello everyone,
I have been lurking here for awhile and finally pulled the trigger on a 05 last monday. All I can say is WOW WOW WOW. I am in tweaker heaven. Yesterday I had a chance to really start tuning my system and the MCACC setup was spot on except for the sub. It set the distance at 11-6 when it is at 9-2 from the setup mic. Overall the sound quality is outstanding and the only thing left for me to do is nail down the lows to my liking.

My first impression of the 05 coming out of the box was the power cord size being very small as other people have noted. I picked up the BDP51 at the same time and, yes, It,s cord is like a fire hose.
I opened it up and ran +10 for a half an hour and checked for heat in the unit and power cord. Pio picked an appropriate name when calling these ICE amps. Not overly hot at all and the power cord was at room temp. So it is safe to say the Pio engineers matched the power cord to the current drawn by this amp. I am amazed at how this unit can produce so much power with so little current.

I had decided on a SC receiver in Jan. and this thread confirmed my choice. So a big thanks to everyone posting here and CHP_VR for updating this thread as it has evolved. All my questions concerning setup and operation have been answered here.

Sticker and fingerprint photos coming soon
Thanks again and happy to be a member of the ICE club.
Steve
post #6945 of 17094
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Originally Posted by firebrick View Post

anyone using a pioneer elite 59avi with analogue outs for sacd and dvd audio? i am coming from a 56txi and i find the sound very different. i want to make sure i dont need to change some settings in the 59 or the sc05 now that i am using analogue.


Check your bass boost settings on the Pio 59AVi. You may need to apply the +10 in the analog output/imput on either the 59 or the 07. The 59 only goes to +6 and that's default for all channels with the audio setting in the "fixed" postion.

Do you notice a bass loss with the 59Avi set to "fixed" in the audio setup?
If so on the 07 go to page 63/64 and make the 10db + change in other setup.


That's all you can do. I believe the SC-07 does BM over it's analogs but it's not clear about it.
post #6946 of 17094
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Originally Posted by Steveoreno View Post

Hello everyone,
I have been lurking here for awhile and finally pulled the trigger on a 05 last monday. All I can say is WOW WOW WOW. I am in tweaker heaven. Yesterday I had a chance to really start tuning my system and the MCACC setup was spot on except for the sub. It set the distance at 11-6 when it is at 9-2 from the setup mic. Overall the sound quality is outstanding and the only thing left for me to do is nail down the lows to my liking.

My first impression of the 05 coming out of the box was the power cord size being very small as other people have noted. I picked up the BDP51 at the same time and, yes, It,s cord is like a fire hose.
I opened it up and ran +10 for a half an hour and checked for heat in the unit and power cord. Pio picked an appropriate name when calling these ICE amps. Not overly hot at all and the power cord was at room temp. So it is safe to say the Pio engineers matched the power cord to the current drawn by this amp. I am amazed at how this unit can produce so much power with so little current.

I had decided on a SC receiver in Jan. and this thread confirmed my choice. So a big thanks to everyone posting here and CHP_VR for updating this thread as it has evolved. All my questions concerning setup and operation have been answered here.

Sticker and fingerprint photos coming soon
Thanks again and happy to be a member of the ICE club.
Steve

I just set up a new SC-07 and I, too, noticed that my subs (which are both at 9' from the LP) showed up as 11' 3" and 11' 5". I adjusted this in the manual sp setup menu, and I boosted the sub level by 3.0db and I am much happier now. It still has some tweaking to go as my mid-bass seems weak now that I have upped the sub, probably a parametric EQ tweak will solve it.

Good luck!
post #6947 of 17094
I have had my SC-07 for a little while now, and I continue to be very dissapointed with its performance with Dolby TrueHD material. It sounds lifeless, lacking directionality and without punch. DTS Master Audio on the other hand sounds amazing.

I am using it with a Panasonic BD30 BluRay player, and have tried tweaking all the various settings, including the eq, but to no avail. The display shows DD True HD on the display, so it is getting the right signal.

Has anyone else had this experience. Any ideas ?
post #6948 of 17094
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Originally Posted by redsars88 View Post

I have had my SC-07 for a little while now, and I continue to be very dissapointed with its performance with Dolby TrueHD material. It sounds lifeless, lacking directionality and without punch. DTS Master Audio on the other hand sounds amazing.

I am using it with a Panasonic BD30 BluRay player, and have tried tweaking all the various settings, including the eq, but to no avail. The display shows DD True HD on the display, so it is getting the right signal.

Has anyone else had this experience. Any ideas ?

Try THX Ultra2 Cin. To me, it blows past Dolby TrueHD and a bit better than DTS Master.
post #6949 of 17094
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Originally Posted by RudigerS View Post

I just set up a new SC-07 and I, too, noticed that my subs (which are both at 9' from the LP) showed up as 11' 3" and 11' 5". I adjusted this in the manual sp setup menu, and I boosted the sub level by 3.0db and I am much happier now. It still has some tweaking to go as my mid-bass seems weak now that I have upped the sub, probably a parametric EQ tweak will solve it.

Good luck!

Remember that with Audessy and MCACC and other caibration systems you are NOT supposed to get accurate sub distance readings. The calibration system accounts for time delay in bass waves and standing wave issues that are not present with other frequencies. I think it's ok to tweek levels to your taste but if you rely upon auto calibration for distance settings - I would not mess with the distance settings for subs.
post #6950 of 17094
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Originally Posted by redsars88 View Post

I have had my SC-07 for a little while now, and I continue to be very dissapointed with its performance with Dolby TrueHD material. It sounds lifeless, lacking directionality and without punch. DTS Master Audio on the other hand sounds amazing.

I am using it with a Panasonic BD30 BluRay player, and have tried tweaking all the various settings, including the eq, but to no avail. The display shows DD True HD on the display, so it is getting the right signal.

Has anyone else had this experience. Any ideas ?

Do you have DRC (dynamic range compression) on? What discs are you using for reference? Some turn it on automatically.

How about THX loudness - on or off. Try both ways.
post #6951 of 17094
I have a Toshiba X-A2 hddvd player hooked up to my Pioneer Elite SC-05 receiver bitstreaming high res audio to the receiver where the decoding of the hi res audio is done in the receiver. For some reason hi audio will drop out for a second and then pick back up immediately about five minutes after I start a movie. It does this continually during the film roughly every 5 minutes and is quite annoying. It never happens in the same place twice so it is not the discs. Anyone else experiencing this? The X-A2 did not do this when hooked up to my Onkyo 805.
post #6952 of 17094
Okay this appears to be a problem with bitstreamed DD+ and the Pioneer. Anyone have this same issue with firmware 3.0 on the X-A2? Any info on this and the Pioneer DD+ problems would be greatly appreciated.
post #6953 of 17094
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Originally Posted by eldithomaso View Post

Do you have DRC (dynamic range compression) on? What discs are you using for reference? Some turn it on automatically.

How about THX loudness - on or off. Try both ways.

DRC is not the problem, not loudness, I tried twiddling those
post #6954 of 17094
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Originally Posted by redsars88 View Post

DRC is not the problem, not loudness, I tried twiddling those

What titles are you basing this on?
post #6955 of 17094
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Originally Posted by dfchang View Post

This is a pretty specific issue but at least 2 other people on these boards have had it so I think it is worth posting in the Pioneer thread.

Namely, when Toshiba HD-DVD players (I have an XA2) are playing HD-DVDs and outputting Dolby Digital Plus via Bitstream to a PIONEER Receiver . . . there is audio skipping. It usually happen every few minutes or so.

To be very specific, it does NOT happen with any lossless codec. For instance True HD is fine. Furthermore, it doesn't happen even with DTS, etc. It ONLY happens with Dolby Digital Plus. Also, it does not happen to every disc. For sure it happens with King Kong, Transformers, Stardust, Tomb Raider.

I work around this by going into the Toshiba menu and setting the Digital Audio Out to PCM.

This does not happen with Blu-ray players outputting Dolby Digital nor does it happen when I play the same HD-DVDs on my Xbox 360 HD-DVD add on.

So . . . anyone have experience with this and have thoughts on this?

Granted when you finally get down to it, there aren't too many discs affected since many HD-DVD movies have True HD encoded on them and this does not affect SD-DVDs.

Still I figure many on this thread have owned many, many Pioneer AVRs in the past and I'm betting more than a few of us got an HD-DVD player too so wondering if I am alone on this?

Once again, at least 2 other people have had this problem with essentially identical setups and I'm just wondering what exactly is the technical reason for the handshake problem between Toshiba HD-DVD players and Pioneer receivers when it comes to bitstreaming Dolby Digital Plus codecs?

Thanks and hope that wasn't too confusing.

Dennis

This is the problem I am talking about any fixes from Pioneer?
post #6956 of 17094
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Originally Posted by PRO-630HD View Post

This is the problem I am talking about any fixes from Pioneer?

After searching for this problem a few days ago,i wound up on a forum,that i now can't remember,but they had it narrowed down to dd+ on Universal HD dvd's,but if you have the same thing going on with transformers than maybe it is not limited to Universal
post #6957 of 17094
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Originally Posted by GRUNT3 View Post

After searching for this problem a few days ago,i wound up on a forum,that i now can't remember,but they had it narrowed down to dd+ on Universal HD dvd's,but if you have the same thing going on with transformers than maybe it is not limited to Universal

I watched Black Snake Moan last night and it did it every 5 minutes. That is a Paramount title. It does it on Warners as well.
post #6958 of 17094
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Originally Posted by eldithomaso View Post

Check your bass boost settings on the Pio 59AVi. You may need to apply the +10 in the analog output/imput on either the 59 or the 07. The 59 only goes to +6 and that's default for all channels with the audio setting in the "fixed" postion.

Do you notice a bass loss with the 59Avi set to "fixed" in the audio setup?
If so on the 07 go to page 63/64 and make the 10db + change in other setup.


That's all you can do. I believe the SC-07 does BM over it's analogs but it's not clear about it.

I did apply the +10 for sub and lows are good. it just seems as i remember more highs and certain notes with my 56txi that i am not hearing with the sco5. i am very familiar with my sacds DSOTM and brothers in arms and i know the sound is different, Depeche mode violator on the other hand, is freakin amazing at a -5 volume
post #6959 of 17094
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Originally Posted by PRO-630HD View Post

I watched Black Snake Moan last night and it did it every 5 minutes. That is a Paramount title. It does it on Warners as well.

I have not checked out too many hd dvds lately,but i know it does it with the first 2 bourne movies,but not the 3d
post #6960 of 17094
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Originally Posted by GRUNT3 View Post

I have not checked out too many hd dvds lately,but i know it does it with the first 2 bourne movies,but not the 3d

The 3rd was TrueHD, the first two DD+ on HD-DVD.
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