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post #9001 of 17045
5/12/09 at 11:23am
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

OT, but tell me again when you get your SC-09 and that Marvell chip

lol... i just posted a question about the qdeo in the 09 thread...

that being said, the dcdi chip is a far cry from the qdeo...
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post #9002 of 17045
5/12/09 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by justinvanausdal View Post

Checked file structure, have two folders with music - 1800 files + folders in each folder.. Re attached HDD...still nothing. And then....changed the setting on the remote to source.. Wah lah. Do I feel slightly sheepish.... Seems strange that you have to change the remote to source for purposes of controlling the HMG. Did I miss this in the instructions somewhere?

Yep...
Page one
Tips/Examples from Members:
-Apple and OS/X networking and Music Streaming ccontenj
-To access HMG MENUS with the remote, be sure to switch from "receiver" to "source"

No worries, that's how we learn.. and lot's of things to learn on this beast...
Have fun!
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post #9003 of 17045
5/12/09 at 11:37am
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

No problem!
Like ccontenj said, it's basically the same.
Instead of component, use svideo or composit connections..
For the analog, just connect to the button you are going to be using...
Example, if you are going to be using the DVD button on the remote, plug your video in DVD IN (S-Video or Composite YELLOW)
insert the audio from your sat into the DVD IN analog input. (RED/WHITE)

From there, goto your setup menu:

1.select DVD input
2.scroll to DIGITAL IN and change to NONE


page94..


You may want to look at page 20 and 23 in the manual..
You should be good to go. Please let us know if that works.


OK?

Wow! super fast respond. I can't express myself how to thank people in here take time and help other people like me. You guys are holding my hands and walk me step by step very clear and easy to understand.

One more question. Do I hook up any thing to the "ANTENNA Cable IN" in back of TV ? I guess this is cable in for antenna/sat hook up directly without using audio control from SC.
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post #9004 of 17045
5/12/09 at 11:37am
btw, the first post is a lot easier to navigate through after the re-arrangement... nice job as always charles...
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post #9005 of 17045
5/12/09 at 11:39am
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

OK?

i knew you'd have them at the ready... plus i was lazy and didn't want to look up the page...
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post #9006 of 17045
5/12/09 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by MoonLite View Post

Wow! super fast respond. I can't express myself how to thank people in here take time and help other people like me. You guys are holding my hands and walk me step by step very clear and easy to understand.

One more question. Do I hook up any thing to the "ANTENNA Cable IN" in back of TV ? I guess this is cable in for antenna/sat hook up directly without using audio control from SC.

nope. no need to hook up anything to the tv other than the cable from the sc to the display... just make sure you select the correct input on the display and you should be good to go.
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post #9007 of 17045
5/12/09 at 11:46am
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Originally Posted by MoonLite View Post

Wow! super fast respond. I can't express myself how to thank people in here take time and help other people like me. You guys are holding my hands and walk me step by step very clear and easy to understand.

One more question. Do I hook up any thing to the "ANTENNA Cable IN" in back of TV ? I guess this is cable in for antenna/sat hook up directly without using audio control from SC.

Forget the ANT cable in on the back of the TV. You'll only use that if you're connecting and outside antenna directly to the TV.

May I also very STRONGLY suggest that if your SAT boxes have HDMI connections that you use them (makes connection much easier and video/audio quality better). If not, component connections + digital audio (toslink or coaxial) digital cable connections would be next best.

As ccotenj suggested, you have a very nice display. Composite or S-Video connections aren't going to look very good, regardless of any sort of video processing done in the display, or the SC.
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post #9008 of 17045
5/12/09 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by graphicguy View Post

May I also very STRONGLY suggest that if your SAT boxes have HDMI connections that you use them (makes connection much easier and video/audio quality better). If not, component connections + digital audio (toslink or coaxial) digital cable connections would be next best.

+1 zillion...

i haven't been following along since the beginning on this one, i just assumed he was dealing with some type of old school boxes that only had composite... that could very well be a bad assumption on my part...
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post #9009 of 17045
5/12/09 at 12:36pm
Well:

Folks I've had a SC-05 since the new year and I love it. Recently replaced my Paradigm Studio 40's with some Studio 60's. The SC is amazing in seamlessly integrating the sound from the speakers.

Anyway, my son got married last month and he's been looking for a new AVR. He bought a 03 from a B&M store. However, I called 6th Ave and low and behold I own a new SC-07. I'm selling my SC-05 to my son. I know there's not much difference between the two but I had the chance so I went with the 07 and gave my son a break on the 05.

I should have it next week and I'll be able to give a pretty fair comparison on the sound.

In the next couple of weeks I'll let you know if I perceive any difference. I'm sure I won't cause I really can't imagine anything better than the 05 and we know for all practical purposes they are the same.

But I will report back for the fun of it.


Mike
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post #9010 of 17045
5/12/09 at 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by MikeRP View Post

Well:

Folks I've had a SC-05 since the new year and I love it. Recently replaced my Paradigm Studio 40's with some Studio 60's. The SC is amazing in seamlessly integrating the sound from the speakers.

Anyway, my son got married last month and he's been looking for a new AVR. He bought a 03 from a B&M store. However, I called 6th Ave and low and behold I own a new SC-07. I'm selling my SC-05 to my son. I know there's not much difference between the two but I had the chance so I went with the 07 and gave my son a break on the 05.

I should have it next week and I'll be able to give a pretty fair comparison on the sound.

In the next couple of weeks I'll let you know if I perceive any difference. I'm sure I won't cause I really can't imagine anything better than the 05 and we know for all practical purposes they are the same.

But I will report back for the fun of it.


Mike


Congrats Mike on the new 07 and your son getting married.
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post #9011 of 17045
5/12/09 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by MikeRP View Post

Well:

Folks I've had a SC-05 since the new year and I love it. Recently replaced my Paradigm Studio 40's with some Studio 60's. The SC is amazing in seamlessly integrating the sound from the speakers.

Anyway, my son got married last month and he's been looking for a new AVR. He bought a 03 from a B&M store. However, I called 6th Ave and low and behold I own a new SC-07. I'm selling my SC-05 to my son. I know there's not much difference between the two but I had the chance so I went with the 07 and gave my son a break on the 05.

I should have it next week and I'll be able to give a pretty fair comparison on the sound.

In the next couple of weeks I'll let you know if I perceive any difference. I'm sure I won't cause I really can't imagine anything better than the 05 and we know for all practical purposes they are the same.

But I will report back for the fun of it.


Mike

Congratulations, Mike!
So this time next year you'll be Grandpa as well
Your son's gonna love the SC-05... and you're gonna appreciate the SC-07's "just a tiny bit more flexibility"
Will look forward to your comparison review!
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post #9012 of 17045
5/12/09 at 12:46pm
I appreciate that Juan. He has a wonderful wife and we are very proud. Anyway, i guess the audio bug I have wore off on him a little!

Mike
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post #9013 of 17045
5/12/09 at 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

Congratulations, Mike!
So this time next year you'll be Grandpa as well
Your son's gonna love the SC-05... and you're gonna appreciate the SC-07's "just a tiny bit more flexibility"
Will look forward to your comparison review!


Well I got the conversation started one day before the wedding with a whole buch of their friends over. someone said something about kids and I lit up like a christmas tree. They both told me not to get my hopes up cause they were waiting awhile. Then I said well I have hope cause everyday I'm just 9 months away from having grandkids. My son turned green and his wife was red but all of us and their friends got a good kick out of their reaction.

Funny...............
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post #9014 of 17045
5/12/09 at 2:16pm
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Originally Posted by MikeRP View Post

Well I got the conversation started one day before the wedding with a whole buch of their friends over. someone said something about kids and I lit up like a christmas tree. They both told me not to get my hopes up cause they were waiting awhile. Then I said well I have hope cause everyday I'm just 9 months away from having grandkids. My son turned green and his wife was red but all of us and their friends got a good kick out of their reaction.

Funny...............

Hahahaha, that's a good one Mike, but now that he is going to have the 05, he will busy playing with the 05 instead of the wife. . Hope not tho.
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post #9015 of 17045
5/12/09 at 3:05pm
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

yes. the video processing in your 111fd is "better" than the video processing in the sc...

Avoids the signal losses as well. Use the AVR ONLY when absolutely necessary.
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post #9016 of 17045
5/12/09 at 3:24pm
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Originally Posted by Juan View Post

Hahahaha, that's a good one Mike, but now that he is going to have the 05, he will busy playing with the 05 instead of the wife. . Hope not tho.

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Originally Posted by eldithomaso View Post

Avoids the signal losses as well. Use the AVR ONLY when absolutely necessary.

Somehow the juxtaposition of these two sequential posts struck me as pretty funny.
It's been a long day...
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post #9017 of 17045
5/12/09 at 4:02pm
I'm hoping someone can help me. I just picked up an SC-05. I installed everything, but I'm running into an issue. I get sound and video from my blu-ray player that is plugged into the BD HDMI input. I have my HD DVD player, PS3, and cable box plugged into the other 3 HDMI inputs, and I get no sound or picture. what am I doing wrong? I'm reading my owners manual, and everything looks like it's setup correctly.

Thanks!
Steve
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post #9018 of 17045
5/12/09 at 4:19pm
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How are you trying to access your components, haulin oats?
Example.. if you have your HD DVD player hooked up to HDMI3, how are you trying to access it with the remote?
Try cycling the HDMI button on the remote to the HDMI input number.
If you get audio and video cycling though the HDMI, then you probably have HDMI Control on.. just turn it off and assign inputs to the buttons you want to use. (see page 92)
BTW, welcome to the ICE Club
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post #9019 of 17045
5/12/09 at 5:20pm
has anyone had any significant increase in headroom especially in the bass department after bi amping the sc-05 ? Technically it should double the available current reserve to the fronts shouldnt it ?
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post #9020 of 17045
5/12/09 at 5:35pm
MikeRP.....little late to this party, but congrats!
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post #9021 of 17045
5/12/09 at 5:55pm
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Originally Posted by eyesofra View Post

has anyone had any significant increase in headroom especially in the bass department after bi amping the sc-05 ? Technically it should double the available current reserve to the fronts shouldnt it ?

Typically it wouldn't double the output (which would add 3dB headroom) because the maximum wattage available per channel drops off somewhat when more channels are active. Probably adds about 2dB. This all would vary by content, as well, so I don't know there is a cut and dried answer.

I've never tried it because my speakers are not designed for it, but my daughter did it with her Paradigm Studio 100's and likes it. I haven't been out to the left coast where she lives for a few months, so I haven't heard for myself.

In any case, the whole subject of bi-amping is fraught with controversy. Some adamantly insist it is a complete waste, but some speaker designers say it isn't if the crossover is designed with bi-amping in mind. Hopefully we won't open that raging argument here.
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post #9022 of 17045
5/12/09 at 6:02pm
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

How are you trying to access your components, haulin oats?
Example.. if you have your HD DVD player hooked up to HDMI3, how are you trying to access it with the remote?
Try cycling the HDMI button on the remote to the HDMI input number.
If you get audio and video cycling though the HDMI, then you probably have HDMI Control on.. just turn it off and assign inputs to the buttons you want to use. (see page 92)
BTW, welcome to the ICE Club

I am hitting the HDMI then whatever number I have that component on. I have had all 3 devices on, and kept hitting the HDMI button, and still I get nothing.

I will check to see if I have HDMI control on, and if so, I will turn it off.
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post #9023 of 17045
5/12/09 at 8:01pm
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Originally Posted by woody888 View Post

Mike,

I did that this past weekend, and you might be able to see it maybe a page or two previously. I watched component input of The Apprentice in 480i upconverted to 1080p, and I saw that around the edges, there was visible noise issues, whereas HDMI, there was no issue. I have a Kuro too, so I'd trust that the Kuro has better standard processing. I am now back to HDMI hook up now. your experience may vary. but CHP would tell you to just experiment it and see what you like, so I would suggest that you give it a shot too, and do a A/B and see what you like better.

but I always believe the adage of garbage in, and garbage out. and I consider in this day and age that 480i is pretty much garbage, so ultimately, I think, there is only so much TV or a receiver can do to help those signals....

Thanks woody (any everyone else who chimed in)! I am pretty sure that the Kuro does a better job deinterlacing and "cleaning up" the 480i signal but just wanted to make sure I wasn't crazy. Tomorrow I'll hook up my TiVo with a secondary connection (component + optical) and try to do some side by side comparisons. I've also heard that 1080i content looks better on the Kuro over HDMI than over component. It makes sense but who knows how noticeable the difference is. I'll tinker around with it over the next couple of days and report back.

Also, I bought a fancy new AV cabinet this past week (BDI Marina) and had to remove the knobs on the bottom of the SC-05 to fit it in. The cabinet is well ventilated and the room is cool. Should I still be worried? Anyone have any horror stories about overheating?

Thanks again!!
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post #9024 of 17045
5/12/09 at 8:02pm
i know MikeRP said he was gonna do some comparisons when his 07 comes in, but i have done some searches and scanned thru this forum and haven't found anything, has anyone had a chance to really compare the 07 and 05? Besides the obvious differences with the outputs, 1080i scaling to 1080p and 10wpc, can anyone say there is any real difference in the two. Somewhere, i had read someone saying the 07 had a warmer sound which i thought was kind of odd since everything on the audio side seems identical besides the 10w and the thx rating... placebo effect?
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post #9025 of 17045
5/12/09 at 8:44pm
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Originally Posted by haulin oats View Post

I am hitting the HDMI then whatever number I have that component on. I have had all 3 devices on, and kept hitting the HDMI button, and still I get nothing.

I will check to see if I have HDMI control on, and if so, I will turn it off.

When you cycle to the appropriate HDMI input, does the HDMI indicator light up? It should blink for a few seconds while it goes through it's handshake routine, then remain on.
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post #9026 of 17045
5/12/09 at 9:47pm
a couple more trophies for the sc line ....

Lx-81 ( sc-07 ) wins HCC Best Receiver above 1000 quids....
Lx-90 ( sc-09 awarded Special Reference Status

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/page...BAwards%2B2009
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post #9027 of 17045
5/12/09 at 10:17pm
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Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

When you cycle to the appropriate HDMI input, does the HDMI indicator light up? It should blink for a few seconds while it goes through it's handshake routine, then remain on.


no, it does not blink at all. it stays off the whole time. I've had all 3, my HD DVD, PS3, and cable box on, cycling through the HDMI, and still nothing.

I turned off HDMI control, and I'm really puzzled at this.
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post #9028 of 17045
5/12/09 at 11:31pm
Has anyone tested the capability to decode wma pro 9? I tried setting my xbox hddvd playback to wma pro and it only gave me some static. i read in the manual that it has to be a source from optical or coaxial, i had mine on HDMI. Has anyone tested this? Anyone familiar with the wma pro format and if its any better then Dts?
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post #9029 of 17045
5/13/09 at 12:26am
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Originally Posted by MPerlo9 View Post

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Also, I bought a fancy new AV cabinet this past week (BDI Marina) and had to remove the knobs on the bottom of the SC-05 to fit it in. The cabinet is well ventilated and the room is cool. Should I still be worried? Anyone have any horror stories about overheating?

Thanks again!!

I have an SC-05 in the BDI Mirage cabinet. When all seven channels are playing it does get warm in there, far warmer than my old 80 watt X 5 channel Yamaha. I have given one entire end of the cabinet to the SC, nothing stacked above it, so there is 6 - 8" of air above the receiver. When watching a movie it is better to have the door open, despite the nice BDI venting.
If by knobs on the bottom you mean feet, the bottom surface of the receiver gets quite warm, so it should not be resting directly on the shelf. I would imagine the bottom gets warm enough to affect the finish of the shelf if they are in direct contact.
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post #9030 of 17045
5/13/09 at 12:47am
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Originally Posted by alerion View Post

I have an SC-05 in the BDI Mirage cabinet. When all seven channels are playing it does get warm in there, far warmer than my old 80 watt X 5 channel Yamaha. I have given one entire end of the cabinet to the SC, nothing stacked above it, so there is 6 - 8" of air above the receiver. When watching a movie it is better to have the door open, despite the nice BDI venting.
If by knobs on the bottom you mean feet, the bottom surface of the receiver gets quite warm, so it should not be resting directly on the shelf. I would imagine the bottom gets warm enough to affect the finish of the shelf if they are in direct contact.

For about $20 you can purchase a silent DC cooling fan and multi-purpose transformer from Radio Shack. The fan when installed to blow air across the top of the chassis will drop temperature dramatically even in an enclosed cabinet with the door shut. The key is to circulate or discharge the rising thermal temperature from the heat sink. Even a very slow running cooling fan can do wonders by moving the hot air away from the top of the chassis.
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