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post #271 of 285
8/27/08 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by mcnarus View Post

And here's how PSB finesses the issue:
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What is Bi-wiring and do you recommend it?
First you must check with your authorized PSB dealer to ascertain whether your particular speakers are bi-wirable. If so, it can be accomplished by using one speaker cable for the woofers, and the other cable for the midrange and tweeters. At the other end, both cables connect to the same amplifier output terminals. The thinking behind it is that using separate cables for low and high frequencies would somehow reduce interference between the two and improve sound quality. However, unless you are using really thin speaker wire, there is usually no audible difference heard by bi-wiring. If you are using good quality 14-gauge speaker wire, then bi-wiring is usually unnecessary. However, should you desire, you can try it for yourself and see if you notice a difference.

What is in bold is the reason for the foolish notion of bi-wiring...and the sad thing is people fall for it everyday...Sorry but when using 2 wires from 1 output...BOTH wires are carrying BOTH the low AND high frequencies...This is an indisputable fact...Therefore...even the most sceptical of the sceptical of people cannot hear a difference that just isn't possible to be there...You might as well take stranded 6ga wire and split the strands...essentially turning it to 2 12ga wires...and 'bi-wire' a bi-ampable speaker...There will be absolutely zero difference other than the gauge is changed...sort of...

This whole topic was started by some guy because of a comment I made in to a poster who said he bi-wired his speakers in his signature...The guy took off there and he took off again here and this is HIS thread!!! This just goes to show he is nothing more than a troll...

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post #272 of 285
8/27/08 at 4:55pm
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The best sound staging and transparency from the VR-4 series results from bi-wiring the speakers,

I personally would not consider buying speakers designed by anyone who believed this, because it clearly indicates that they do not know anything about speakers.

Of course, it's quite possible that they don't really believe this, and are just saying it to curry favor with a dealer network which profits handsomely from wire markups.
post #273 of 285
8/27/08 at 5:01pm
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Originally Posted by mcnarus View Post

I personally would not consider buying speakers designed by anyone who believed this, because it clearly indicates that they do not know anything about speakers.

Of course, it's quite possible that they don't really believe this, and are just saying it to curry favor with a dealer network which profits handsomely from wire markups.

Wow! I can't believe that someone here would actually say that Albert Von Schweikert doesn't know anything about speakers. You do realize that VSA makes some of the finest loudspeakers in the world... eh? Apparently not.
post #274 of 285
8/27/08 at 5:14pm
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And since Bi-Wire capability is a common theme among more expensive systems, this feature might not have been such a far-fetched idea.


to me that says it all...dimished returns in Audio equipment is already well documented and well known. The only reason the high priced guys are doing it is to sell more over priced crap. Its up there with completely bogus high price cables/speaker wire I do actually think its great they do it, all the power too them to convince a certain type of person it matters.

Of course I would want to know the science behind it but thats just me, everyone else can spend money the way they want and enjoy whatever!

Science says there is not difference, proper blind tests say there is no difference....so Im standing on that side of the fence
post #275 of 285
8/27/08 at 5:18pm
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Wow! I can't believe that someone here would actually say that Albert Von Schweikert doesn't know anything about speakers. You do realize that VSA makes some of the finest loudspeakers in the world... eh? Apparently not.


They are no doubt great but so can a DIY speaker at 1/100th the cost...hmmmm....what does that say about VSA? It just means someone is willing to drop large coin on something that does not cost that much to build. This then becomes a status thing, of course last I checked "Look at my Von Schweikert speakers" does not rank high on any sort opening conversation list with guests
post #276 of 285
8/27/08 at 5:41pm
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Originally Posted by Splicer010 View Post

Sorry but when using 2 wires from 1 output...BOTH wires are carrying BOTH the low AND high frequencies...This is an indisputable fact...Therefore...even the most sceptical of the sceptical of people cannot hear a difference that just isn't possible to be there...You might as well take stranded 6ga wire and split the strands...essentially turning it to 2 12ga wires...and 'bi-wire' a bi-ampable speaker...There will be absolutely zero difference other than the gauge is changed...sort of...

This whole topic was started by some guy because of a comment I made in to a poster who said he bi-wired his speakers in his signature...The guy took off there and he took off again here and this is HIS thread!!! This just goes to show he is nothing more than a troll...

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Since you don't know what you're talking about, why don't you just stay out of this thread/forum?
post #277 of 285
8/27/08 at 5:42pm
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Originally Posted by sharkshark View Post

Not exactly well argued, but at least he agrees with you...

Actually, not argued at all. The opinion is simply asserted.
post #278 of 285
8/27/08 at 5:46pm
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Originally Posted by bmwf1fan View Post

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Since you don't know what you're talking about, why don't you just stay out of this thread/forum?

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!! I obviously know ALOT more than you do on the subject!!! Please let everyone here know EXACTLY what is "Wrong, wrong, and wrong" other than your punctuation placement???
post #279 of 285
8/27/08 at 5:46pm
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Originally Posted by bmwf1fan View Post

and no, i'm not about to repeat any of the foolish 10 pages of posts

hahahahahahahahahahhaaha!!! Troll!!!
post #280 of 285
8/27/08 at 6:15pm
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Originally Posted by penngray View Post

They are no doubt great but so can a DIY speaker at 1/100th the cost...hmmmm....what does that say about VSA?

Um... yeah. You keep telling yourself that.
post #281 of 285
8/27/08 at 6:30pm
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Wow! I can't believe that someone here would actually say that Albert Von Schweikert doesn't know anything about speakers. You do realize that VSA makes some of the finest loudspeakers in the world... eh? Apparently not.

If he truly believes what his manual says about the effects of biwiring, then I would question whether his reputation is deserved.
post #282 of 285
8/27/08 at 6:53pm
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Originally Posted by bmwf1fan View Post

These are bull statements - why don't you just go back to your Realistic Home Speaker kit and stay away from topics in which you have nothing to offer?

Why don't you stop your insulting...

Instead of just saying everyone is wrong but you...Start backing that big troll mouth of yours up with some FACTS!!!

FACT: Both low AND high frequencies travel on both wires when wired to the same output of an amplifier...This is indisputable...

FACT: There is absolutely no electrical changes that justify bi-wiring vs. single wiring of the same combined gauge as bi-wire...This is indisputable...

FACT: There is NO AUDIBLE DIFFERENCE past the placebo effect using bi-wire vs. single wire...This is indisputable...

FACT: All the 'marketing' advocating bi-wiring follows the same type of marketing BOSE uses for their products...This is indisputable...

FACT: A bi-ampable speaker cannot benefit from bi-wiring...This is indisputable...

Now you say I'm wrong yet cannot provide proof that I am...Therefore you are a troll and need to take your marbles and leave like you said you were going to...Leave this discussion to the adults here...We don't like personal attacks from trolls...
post #283 of 285
8/27/08 at 6:56pm
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Originally Posted by Splicer010 View Post

What is in bold is the reason for the foolish notion of bi-wiring...and the sad thing is people fall for it everyday...Sorry but when using 2 wires from 1 output...BOTH wires are carrying BOTH the low AND high frequencies...This is an indisputable fact...

Which is why I'd biwire only when using the Panny SA-XR57 that runs different freq to each wire. It also does digitally routed biamping too. Thus not making myself looking like a fool when someone asked why I'm using biwire. Plus to others it looks cool too.
post #284 of 285
8/27/08 at 7:10pm
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Originally Posted by Veda View Post

Which is why I'd biwire only when using the Panny SA-XR57 that runs different freq to each wire. It also does digitally routed biamping too. Thus not making myself looking like a fool when someone asked why I'm using biwire. Plus to others it looks cool too.

The only problem with what you claim is that bi-wiring from the same amp output...2 wires connected to 1 output...CANNOT...is impossible even...to designate seperate frequencies to different wires when all frequencies are on that output to begin with...It cannot be done...Both the low AND the high frequencies are on BOTH wires...
post #285 of 285
8/27/08 at 7:13pm
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