Official AVS National HD Channel Lineups - Cable/DBS/Fiber/IPTV - Updated 11/03/12 ! - Page 6  

It doesn't. Just wishful thinking.

So unlike what the messages says, Charter did not ANNOUNCE carriage of CBS Sports Network HD?

When it turns up in a notice or a lineup, then it should be posted here. Forhire frequently jumps the gun, and often posts inaccurate information.

CBS and CBS Sports Network are two different entities. Just because CBS itself renewed it has nothing to do with the sports channel. Not to bash or anything, but please read the articles fully before posting .

The second round of these additions went live today. All have now been added.

forhire,

Most of the time they can pick up HD channels as long as they are not on month to month deals.

This has held up Bright House getting new Starz and Encore. NBC/Comcast might tie Chiller HD to getting new E!, Style and Sprout deals though.

We will see what happens.

According to this site http://jameslong.name/hdadditions.html all these channels are now launched..

I don't jump the gun everytime. When NBC Universal renewed with Verizon, Cablevision, Mediacom and Suddenlink I never said that Chiller HD and/or PBS Kids Sprout HD were coming for them. It's just that why would Charter subscribers keep watching CBS Sports Network in crappy SD? Tell you what. I'll never jump the gun again if/when Disney renews with Mediacom, Suddenlink, WOW, etc. I'm likely to be quiet more after the next update. And I'll never give a big update ever again like I just did with Suddenlink. It's just so much fun being with AVS FORUM. I joined to help make everything better. Without me the chart would not be as good as it will be.And I'm building relationships with other members like HDOrlando. We AVS members would not be here if it were not for Matt and the creators of AVS FORUM. And we ALL love television. I can go on and on. but I won't. I done enough explaining myself. Good nigh AVS FORUM!

the way the contracts work if CBS is up for renewal so is CBS Sports net they are tied together just because they are different channels does not mean they have separate contracts with a cable company for the digital nets. Oh and any deal these days includes the HD version of a channel if it has launched so if the cable cable company wants to add the HD channel sometimes they have to wait for a long term renewal of the suite or sometimes the company will let the service provider to add the HD channel under the current contract.

Actually, that is not true.

The main reason why you see a cable company not add a channel in HD if available after a contract is signed is usually because of system capacity issues or the cable company does not see the need to add the channel in HD. The contracts that don't have HD included were made before the HD channels came out. Also the dish issue with Disney is a weird one but yes by default in all new contracts there is a clause where the HD channel is included. Just because a press release does not include mention of HD channels does not mean they are included in the deal. I know that when reading the disney contract renewals they usually mention the HD channel but others like fox and cbs do not mention the HD versions of the channels in their press releases. Now a days HD carriage is not considered a premium anymore so a deal for the channel includes the HD channel by default due to the way the contracts are drawn up now. I think this started around the time that TWC signed the contract for Disney in 2009 for all of their services.

Sorry Kevin, I see no real world evidence for what you're saying either. There a too many examples to list, but nearly every carrier seems to have exceptions to what you're claiming.

Why doesn't Dish have Disney HD?
Why is DirecTV missing so many HD channels?
Why does my cable company only have BBCA HD in certain markets even though they have unlimited capacity (SDV)?
Why is Uverse missing so many HD channels when they have unlimited capacity?

How is it that all contracts magically now have HD included by default when just last year every one was different and most were asking a premium for HD? And if they don't ask a premium for HD, how do they pay for all the costs associated with providing HD?

What you're saying sounds great, but makes no logical sense.
Edited by mdavej - 2/1/13 at 11:45am

More exceptions.

Why won't Uverse carry Hallmark channels or NHL Network when they have all the money in the world?
Why won't Cablevision carry Sundance HD when IT actually owns the channel?
Why won't Comcast carry Disney Junior HD or ESPN Goal Line / Buzzer Beater HD?
Why would Verizon drop Mav TV and YooToo when they have all the capacity as Uverse?


More questions that make you go hhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmm!

Okay here is the thing the contracts done last several years after 2008 when HD became huge and all of the channels launched HD versions quickly yes the contracts did include a premium for HD now that HD is more common they include the HD version in the price why do you think that cable bills have skyrocketed in the last few years they are lumping the HD fee in the regular price of the channel so everyone is paying for HD even if they don't get HD services. Also just because a contract includes HD does not mean a cable company has to include the HD version in all markets it is up to each divisions marketing department to say what HD channels are going to be on the system basically these contracts are like hunting licenses the channels have to poach each system for carriage of their channel including the HD version. Also just because you have unlimited capacity does not mean you are going to get all of the channels available it is called does your system want to carry HD version and the dish dispute goes back to 2008 so yeah they were supposed to be paying a premium for the HD channels and thought they shouldn't have but Disney said yes and yanked them this was on top of an old contract that was probably signed for several years a lot of the older contracts signed in the early 2000s lasted for years I believe Disney was signing contracts for 10 years during 2000. Time Warner Cable signed a contract with them in 2000 and that contract did not expire until 2009 and they had to modify it to get new services as they became available ESPN2 HD, ESPNU, etc. And in 2009 they got a good deal with all of the services lumped in including the HD versions and the future launch of Disney Jr. in SD and HD. Also you might want to ask HDOrlando for more he would have a better insight.

This was back at the beginning of January but wanted to get it in before the next update.

DirecTV and NASCAR ended there parternership and canceled Hotpass Service

Nascar Hotpass needs to be removed from the chart completely for now as no other providers have announced offering the service again.

http://www.sbnation.com/nascar/2013/1/7/3847814/directv-ends-nascar-sponsorship-and-cancels-hotpass-service

Verizon does not have all the capacity of U-Verse. FiOS is not an IP-based sytsem, it's an 860MHz RF/QAM system, which is more capacity than a standard Comcast system, but less than a standard Cox system

AMC Networks owns Sundance, which is now separate from Cablevision. Comcast now owns Chiller and Cloo through NBC Universal, and carries neither network.

And no company has all the money in the world. It's consistent with the philosophy at Time Warner Cable to stop negotiating with independent content providers.

At&t does not have no where near unlimited bandwidth and they can only provide about 30Mbps total to the home if your not on a bonded pair. Some of the earlier setups that were done in the North Texas area did not even allow for the 32Mbps profile due to the distance and not having pair bonding offered by At&t. Verizon has more bandwidth than At&t does total for all services including internet which is using IP protocol while the TV services use QAM/IP which is QAM for video and IP for the guide and return and forward data to the boxes so that they can communicate with the VHO.

Some Comcast systems are 860MHz but I have seen that it looks like they don't want to use the 750MHz to 860MHz part of the system right now in some areas as they are trying to get everyone on the same national QAM setup like fios does.

I know that Time Warner Cable does their QAM mappings based on each market and don't have to worry about allocating the same amount of national QAMs to HD or digital channels as they are dedicating about 16-24 QAMs to SDV in each system that has SDV enabled.

It seems that TWC might have gotten some concessions with independent channels as the ones that were about to be dropped on 12/31 are still in the lineup after the 31 day extension of the contracts so that they could renegotiate a new contract.

In the context that the comment was made, AT&T has almost an unlimited ability to add HD channels where as Verizon has limits. AT&T only delivers up to 4 channels to your home at any one time, thus regardless of the size of the pipe going to your home, the number of HD channels that can be carried by U-verse is virtually unlimited. The pipe going to your home only has to be large enough to accommodate the channels that you are watching and/or recording at any one time. Verizon, on the other hand, uses the cable company model where ALL channels are shoved down the pipe to your home at the same time, thus there are bandwidth an QAM limits as to how many HD channels can be carried in the channel lineup.

SDV solves cable's problems with having to do with bandwidth constraints as only the channels being watched are being sent from the headend to the node. If the node becomes congested with SDV usage all the cable company has to do is a node split or move more channels to SDV or go 1GHz and add more content into the 864MHz to 1,002MHz range like Cox is doing. Also TWC has done some changes in my area to where they actually reclaimed bandwidth by moving more channels to SDV to allow for additional VOD bandwidth and DOCSIS traffic and some of reclaimed QAM space was used for SDV.

TWC is slowly axing analogs in my area right now we have 63 analogs with about 144 HD channels and the analog count is about to get smaller next month with us losing another 4 analogs to make room for additional DOCSIS bandwidth. This in the Dallas TWC system which is trying to compete heavily with At&t uverse which is why TWC has introduced a 75Mbps internet tier in the Dallas area.

I am aware of SDV. Verizon FIOS does not use SDV, thus SDV does not apply in a discussion of the ability of U-verse versus FIO's to add additional HD channels. Verizon definitely has constraints in adding new HD channels.

Yes, U-Verse is bandwidth constrained on the consumer end as to how many streams are in the home, and can handle TV and internet watching. But in terms of channel capacity, there are no limits. They can send whatever they want through the pipe. FiOS is still a superior product to U-Verse. U-Verse can add whatever it wants in HD, its quality will be diminished due to the need for greater compression as well as the fact you're trying to get an internet signal and multiple TV signals through what is a very small pipe.

A lot of times if a provider has the SD channel, all they have to do is fill out a form to pick up the HD version.

There are times though when a dispute over other channels in a conglomerate could delay an HD version of a particular channel but other wise, you can pick up the HD channel fairly quickly like TWC and BHN do.

one problem wtih Fios is that they don't have a good setup with local ad inserts the have lost like 8 QAMs just to ad inserts alone instead switching the local VHO feed to the ad on the QAM channel that is mapped to the box they are wasting bandwidth instead of doing zonings for the ads and doing the ad inserts at the VHO level and split the signals into hubs at the VHO.

Although Uverse does kind of waste HD channel counts by stuffing them with west coast feeds do you really need TBS HD west, TNT HD west, and Cartoon Network West in HD on systems that are in the central and eastern time zones?

Those channels that allow us U-verse customers both the east and west feed can be extremely useful. I'm in Texas (east feed), but I find that I do use the west feed channels to schedule some series recordings whenever using the east feed channels would create conflicts with other scheduled recordings. With U- verse's delivery method, there is really no issue with being limited to the number of HD channels that can be included in the lineup.
Edited by texasguy37 - 2/2/13 at 7:29pm

Are you sure Verizon dropped Mav TV HD from every lineup? It's still listed in Providence Rhode Island Arlington Virginia Keller Texas Pocoma California and others.
http://tvlistings@aol.com/listings/va/arlington/verizon/fios
http://tvlistings@aol.com/listings/ri/providence/verizon/fios
http://tvlistings@aol.com/listings/ca/pacoima/verizon/fios
http://tvlistings@aol.com/listings/tx/keller/verizon/fios
Edited by forhire34cvdn - 2/3/13 at 9:15am

Yep..the channel is listed in my guide as no longer available

Because of this and the fact that Fios is lagging behind the other providers in adding HD content I'm switching to Direct when my contract is up in May

https://www.facebook.com/SonyMovieChannel/posts/515011798520840

Sony Movie Channel HD announced for Verizon FiOS.

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CHARTER TO BE BOUGHT BY TWC OR COX?! STAY TUNED!!


http://www.tvpredictions.com/charter020613.htm