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post #31 of 223
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Originally Posted by jrcorwin View Post

I doubt anyone will be doing these calibrations in my area. (Indianapolis)

Au contraire!


Ken Whitcomb
post #32 of 223
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Here is a 5020FD that I did yesterday. I'll let you be the judge on the before and after numbers

Thanks D-Nice. I saw those and was very impressed with how much more you evidently pulled from what is already a very nice looking display.

As you know I've tested my own copy of ControlCal a bit (nice software). As a user that occasionally likes to go "cool" for some material, esp. games. my only concern has been effect on other A/V modes given the global grayscale.

After seeing these results though and investigating I think it's well worth calibrating the Kuro Non-Elite. I decided to go with a pro calibrator this time instead of going DIY which would require buying and equipment and spending a bit more time than I'd like to burn right now.
post #33 of 223
I am going to have David Abrams come and calibrate my 6020 this coming Monday Can't wait to see what he can do with my display
post #34 of 223
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Originally Posted by smolstre View Post

I am going to have David Abrams come and calibrate my 6020 this coming Monday Can't wait to see what he can do with my display

Be sure to post your impressions after David's visit.
post #35 of 223
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Be sure to post your impressions after David's visit.

Will do
post #36 of 223
Just had my 6020 calibrated by David Abrams tonight. My first impression is WOW! A lot more color than had been there before. When I first got my set I did everything I was supposed to: Break-in disk for 150 hrs., d-nice's pre-settings and post-settings on movie mode. One thing I noticed after all this was that movie-mode was a little muted in color. When I first noticed this I went on this forum a checked to see if anyone else saw this, some did. Others said this was the natural color, "you're just used to torch-mode","you need to get used to it". I believed them thinking what the hell do I know? I don't know what color the original director had in mind for this program! After calibration the color came back and "seems" accurate to me and Mr. Abrams. One other thing that I noticed was that the whites "seem" whiter. Before they looked a little yellow. Again, I'm no expert or claim to be but it seems that way. When I get the reports I will share them with whomever wants to see them (later this week). Is it worth it? Well, that's up to you. Do you like whiter whites and more pop in the colors, I do and it was worth it for me. I was on the fence between the 151 and 6020. Got a great deal from Robert on the 6020 and wasn't into messing with the color controls all the time. I liked the idea of simply calibrating the set and leaving it alone. I now am satisfied. David was very professional and answered all my questions. Great experience.
post #37 of 223
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That's great smolstre - Thank you for posting your report.

Like D-Nice posted: "You will be able to achieve an identical grayscale compared to the Elite."

Enjoy your calibrated picture..

I'm also keeping track of these reports..
post #38 of 223
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Originally Posted by smolstre View Post

Just had my 6020 calibrated by David Abrams tonight.

I've added your calibration report to the flat panel list that's linked at the bottom of my post.

Thanks.
post #39 of 223
Some other observations: D-nice's settings were almost spot on with movie mode!! Contrast +39, Brightness -1, Color +3, tint red +1, sharpness -15. Also my pre-calibration was around 6050 grayscale, post-cal. around 6450 grayscale in Movie mode. More info when my report is sent.
post #40 of 223
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Updated Listing with Doug Weil and Glenn Zink
post #41 of 223
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Originally Posted by smolstre View Post

Some other observations: D-nice's settings were almost spot on with movie mode!! Contrast +39, Brightness -1, Color +3, tint red +1, sharpness -15. Also my pre-calibration was around 6050 grayscale, post-cal. around 6450 grayscale in Movie mode. More info when my report is sent.

Smolstre, did David also inform you that grayscale could only be calibrated in 24fps or 60fps mode but not both due to nonelite model limitations?
post #42 of 223
Based on what I understand that only applies when you set the PureCinema option yourself in user settings. If you leave it to "Off" and send the panel 24p (It will display 24p regardless of PureCinema) the grayscale should be fine.
post #43 of 223
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Added Robert Busch at Busch Home Theater - ISFccc [8G] [9G] [M] - National Tours (San Francisco/Bay Area based).

Busch Home Theater is owned & operated by Robert Busch. Robert is a charter member of the ISF (Imaging Science Foundation) equipped with a Minolta CS200 Spectral Radiometer, Tektronix 1735 HDTV Waveform Analyzer, Sencore CP5000 Color Analyzer, Philips Color Analyzer, optical comparator and a Sencore HDTV Test Pattern Generator. With more than 20+ years of experience in electronics as an electronic technician

Robert Busch has worked in the field of high-end audio and home theater for over 20 years. He has written reviews of products for high-end audio/video magazines. He has worked with manufacturers to improve on these products to make them better. Robert Busch is a certified electronic technician and is ISF (Imaging Science Foundation) certified since the beginning of the ISF. He was one of the first to be Lucasfilm Ltd. THX certified. He has had the great fortune of working with some of the most respected people in audio/video. Through his 20+ years of experience he has acquired the knowledge to make a system work at its greatest potential.
post #44 of 223
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Originally Posted by Patrick. View Post

Based on what I understand that only applies when you set the PureCinema option yourself in user settings. If you leave it to "Off" and send the panel 24p (It will display 24p regardless of PureCinema) the grayscale should be fine.

Thanks, it sounds like using any option besides "Advanced" utilizes the same grayscale fortunately.
post #45 of 223
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Added:

Michael Osadciw at The Highest Fidelity - ISFccc [8G] [9G] [M] - Serving Southern Ontario Canada, Stoney Creek based (Call 905-730-5996).
William Powell at Alpha Video Systems - ISFccc [8G] [9G] [M] - Serving Chattanooga Tennessee (Call 423-698-8618).
David Voncannon at D & E Associates - ISFccc [8G] [9G] [M] - Serving Southern California, Culver City based (Call 310-628-1170).
post #46 of 223
can you folks recommend qualified atlanta-based calibrators for my pro-111fd?
post #47 of 223
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Check with Chad Billheimer, Jeff Meier, and Gregg Loewen, they may cover your area.

Also, I think D-Nice covers Atlanta....
post #48 of 223
I'm getting my 6020 next week. Anyone do Tampa?
post #49 of 223
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Check with Stephen Cooper, Gregg Loewen and/or Chad BillHeimer.

See Post #1 in this Thread for contact info.

EDIT: and of course D-Nice
post #50 of 223
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Originally Posted by spmorgan1 View Post

I'm getting my 6020 next week. Anyone do Tampa?

I may be able to do it. Depends on when you want it done. I'll PM you.
post #51 of 223
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Originally Posted by TomHuffman View Post

Just did my first ControlCal calibration of a 5020, and it went quite well. I was able to get the grayscale nearly perfect. The pre-calibration Movie mode is fairly good in this respect, but too reddish. It is also not as accurate as the uncalibrated Warm mode in the Panasonics, so these displays really benefit from grayscale calibration. With the Color control properly set, the color decoding is very good as well.

The gamma was very flat, though a little low at 2.11.

One gotcha people should be aware of. Make sure that the room light detection mode (or something like that) is turned off. Among other things, with it turned on the peak output measures much lower when the menu is activated than when it is not.

One odd thing I noticed about this display. It looks better than it measures. With the slightly low gamma and significantly oversaturated red and green primaries, I would have expected to see a slightly flat image with rosy faces and neon grass. I didn't. Skin tones and greens looked quite good and the image depth was excellent. Unusual.

As on the Elites, the black level is so low it is hard to measure. I didn't even try on this one, but past experience suggests that calibrated to 35 fL one can expect on/off contrast in the 17000:1 range, ANSI in the 6000:1 range.

These displays can now be had for a street price under $3K, which I think is a great buy.

Hopefully you will get more of these..
post #52 of 223
Hello - (my first post)

Can anyone recommend a calibrator that handles the Melbourne, FL area? I just purchased a new 6020 and would like it calibrated professionally. I decided against letting my local BB store do the calibration.

Thanks.
post #53 of 223
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Here are the 3 that cover Florida: Stephen Cooper, Gregg Loewen and Chad Billheimer.

Their Contact info is in Post #1 of this Thread.
post #54 of 223
I can make it down to Melbourne if you like. That's about 2 1/2 hrs away for me. Anyway, feel free to PM me.
post #55 of 223
hi guys
I provide monthly service to the east coast from Maine to the greater DC area.
I also provide regular service to Florida. My next trip will be in late January - early February, then again in early March.
In addition I also service LA, San Diego, Temecula, and Las Vegas.
Feel free to email me at gregg@lionav.com with any questions.

Regards

Gregg
post #56 of 223
Thanks for the responses. This site is great. I am also a member at *************** and both sites are a tremendous resource for home theater buffs like me.

I am in touch with D-Nice for a calibration but I'll keep the others in mind in case the scheduling doesn't work out.

I have a 55" wide screen Mittsubishi that is having some issues (not sure of model but it is the Platinum Plus and 5 years old)...And they are very strange issues...Sometimes the tv is normal and watchable other times it is nearly unwatchable. The strange thing is that it can exhibit different symptoms at different times and sometimes all of them at once. It seems mainly to be a convergence issue as I see red, green and blue images on the screen but I also see a warp on the left side sometimes and horizontal lines static other times, etc. Very strange though because it sometimes is just normal. Any recommendations? Should I trash it?

Thanks.
post #57 of 223
Anyone in the Denver area (Brighton) available to calibrate my 6020?

Tis the season (extremely cold!) for lot's of movie watching!

Thanks,
Mike
post #58 of 223
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Doug Blackburn lives in Colorado, I'll let him now about your Post (he needs the Profiles though, easy for him to get).
post #59 of 223
I see there is someone in Chattanooga, but does anyone know of a calibrator near Knoxville, TN??
post #60 of 223
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Originally Posted by Tyler4 View Post

I see there is someone in Chattanooga, but does anyone know of a calibrator near Knoxville, TN??

As you saw, William Powell is in TN, why not contact him and see if he covers your area?

Also, Chad Billheimer and Jeff Meier may cover that state on tour.
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