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post #2041 of 5991
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Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman View Post

I have some more info on my attempts to create a server for my music. Being unemployed, I am not going to spend much money on this. All I want is an always on device to serve up music files to my 3900 and present them in an organized way.

There are actually a lot of options that support a DLNA media player such as the RX-V3900. There are programs that would run on your PC. And there are dedicated hardware storage devices (NAS devices,) that support DLNA.

Were I to have about $250 spare cash, I would look at the QNAP TS-109 NAS. This thing looks like it runs Twonky. And Twonky seems to work well. One thing Twonky does, at least the trial version I installed on my macbook, is present a list with entries like 'Artist Index'. It also shows playlists. My guess, is that it does all this by reading my iTunes library files and playlists.

The NAS is nice because it's small, and can be put anywhere where you can connect it to your network. It's not cheap though, $250 does not include a HD you would need to add for your storage drive.

Not having $250 in spare cash, I tried something called free NAS. Free NAS seems pretty cool. It's free, it has UpNp, and it runs on pretty basic PCs. Basically, it's stripped down version of Open BSD. Install it on a PC you are not using, carefully follow their setup guide, and you have a cheap NAS.

The downside to Free NAS is that it does not organization. It will present your music files as it sees them, as a directory hierarchy. It cares nothing about file types, so it will display all files. Based on my experience, it's no different than if you just plugged an external drive into your RX-V3900.

I am thinking that my best current option is to copy my iTunes directory to an external HD. I will then connect that HD to my PC. I would then run Twonky on that PC. I think that would give me what I need. If it's not clear why I don't use Windows Media, it's because Windows Media does not like AAC files, and I have yet to find a way to add that capability to it.

Anyway, hopefully this is not too off topic. I just wanted to share what I have learned while trying to find a cheap media server solution.

Thats exactly what I have done. I have my iTunes folder on external drive. I have installed tversity on the laptop (runs XP). Not sure if tversity runs on Mac. We have 2 iTunes libraries. My wife's music is encoded in AAC and mine in ALC. Even though tversity is supposed to transcode the ALC to AAC, it doesn't work. Everything shows up on the 3900 as well as the PS3. But both devices can play only the AAC contents. Maybe it can't stream the big ALC files over the network. No idea why it doesn't work. As far as organization, I do get to see the iTunes organization on the devices, which means I can view everything based on artists, albums, etc..
post #2042 of 5991
Thread Starter 
Try the Twonky trial version. Maybe it works better? I can't remember if it can transcode or not though.
post #2043 of 5991
just got my 3900, i am very impressed. i picked up a 1800 a couple of weeks ago and returned it, i found it wouldn't properly matrix 5.1 movies to 7.1. by comparison the 3900 is much better, properly decodes and matrixs 5.1 with no issues. internet radio is a nice feature. anyone have any luck connecting a Linksys WGA54G Wireless-G Gaming Adapter up to the 3900? if so any tips to make the darn thing work?
thanks
post #2044 of 5991
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Originally Posted by BmC_41 View Post

just got my 3900, i am very impressed. i picked up a 1800 a couple of weeks ago and returned it, i found it wouldn't properly matrix 5.1 movies to 7.1. by comparison the 3900 is much better, properly decodes and matrixs 5.1 with no issues.

The 3900 has a quite a few more features than the 1800, but better decoding/post-processing isn't one of them. The 1800 has no limitations with decoding and converting 5.1 to 7.1 (unlike the 663/863 which cannot apply PLIIx while decoding DTS-HD MA). The 1800 and 3900 use the same two TI DSPs.
post #2045 of 5991
Thread Starter 
I hope people are not angry with me for all my Twonky/media streaming discussion. I think I am pretty much done, but I wanted to make final observations.

This is from the prospective of someone with an iTunes library, sitting on a macbook, that I wanted on an always on media server for playing from the 3900, PS3 or XBox 360.

What I did, was to copy my entire iTunes library to an external USB HD. I then connected that to my PC, which I rarely use. I downloaded the Twonky trial, and set it's path to point to the external drive. This mostly worked, but the play lists were all wrong. The reason is that the iTunes library file is in a different place on PC vs Mac. So I copied the iTunes library file to the proper location on the PC, and that fixed it.

I have not played with this extensively, but I have noticed a few things. It's almost fast at times. If you tried Windows Media with the 3900, you might have noticed how slow it was. Twonky seems snappy in comparison. In fact, Twonky is faster than when I tried using my external drive as a USB device!

Twonky streams both MP3 and MP4 (AAC) files, no problem.

There is one slight issue with Twonky. It presents albums by artist first, in the more helpful enchanced view (a view is how the media is organized when you see it from your player.) This is not a huge annoyance, except for compilation CDs. There is a work around. It involves building your own album view using XML. This is not for people afraid of computers, or even uneasy with them. There are directions, but I think they assume you know XML. I spent a fair amount of time getting it to work. I could certainly provide my view file to anyone who's interested.

I encourage people, who want to stream music to the 3900, to give Twonky a shot. You might be happy with it. It might even make streaming music to the 3900 viable. If you have a PS3 or 360, by all means, also consider Twonky.

p.s. I am in no way promoting Twonky over any other solution, except to say that Windows Media was a dissapointment when I tried it before, and limited for my uses, where Twonky seems good, knock on wood.
post #2046 of 5991
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Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman View Post

I encourage people, who want to stream music to the 3900, to give Twonky a shot. You might be happy with it. It might even make streaming music to the 3900 viable. If you have a PS3 or 360, by all means, also consider Twonky.

p.s. I am in no way promoting Twonky over any other solution, except to say that Windows Media was a dissapointment when I tried it before, and limited for my uses, where Twonky seems good, knock on wood.

I agree. As a side note originally I was using the software included in my Buffalo LinkStation Live, but my 3800 was not capable of streaming from it. Then I found out that Twonky was available for this NAS and it recognized Yamaha straight away. Now I'm using it with my Z7.
post #2047 of 5991
aside from the slight power bump, does the 3900 have better internal components that would realize a greater fidelity than the 1900? i dont need the networking or video processing features the 3900 has, but audio quality is paramount to me. i cannot demo them side by side.
post #2048 of 5991
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by amp74 View Post

aside from the slight power bump, does the 3900 have better internal components that would realize a greater fidelity than the 1900? i dont need the networking or video processing features the 3900 has, but audio quality is paramount to me. i cannot demo them side by side.

I don't believe so. I have not extensively compared the service manual, but I believe they use a pretty similar circuit layout and components.

I sorta recall something about an HDMI dejitter circuit that was different between the two, but I can't remember if that was Z7 vs 3900 or 3900 vs 1900.

I would not spend the extra money on the 3900 unless you want more power (which could equal better sound in some cases.) Or, if you want the 3900s feature set, which I think it worth having.
post #2049 of 5991
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Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman View Post

I would not spend the extra money on the 3900 unless you want more power (which could equal better sound in some cases.) Or, if you want the 3900s feature set, which I think it worth having.

I agree that unless a potential buyer is interested in the 3900's superior video handling capabilities and a few other whistles and bells it offers that the 1900 does not, the 1900 would probably serve him just as well. The 1900 has the same number of HDMI inputs as the 3900, four, and almost as much power, 130W per channel, compared to the 3900's 140W.
post #2050 of 5991
Thread Starter 
FYI - Neither the 3900 or the 1900 power spec is all channels driven. So it's hard to know what the actual power difference between the two is. Almost certainly less than 5% in achievable peak / channel SPL.
post #2051 of 5991
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Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman View Post

FYI - Neither the 3900 or the 1900 power spec is all channels driven. So it's hard to know what the actual power difference between the two is. Almost certainly less than 5% in achievable peak / channel SPL.

Oh, yeah, I agree. Because the power rating of both the 1900 and 3900 were provided by Yamaha, I had a fair degree of confidence that the difference between the two, 10W per channel, was probably about right. For whatever reason my 3900, rated by Yamaha at 140W per channel, has seemed to me to have a LOT more power, than did my old 2400, rated by Yamaha at 120W per channel.
post #2052 of 5991
I just found a side by side comparison of the 1900's and 3900's specs on the Yamaha Web site and thought amp74 might find it interesting. These receivers are remarkably similar.
post #2053 of 5991
Thread Starter 
If you look at the first post, I have a list of 3900/Z7 only features which differentiate the 3900 from the 1900.
post #2054 of 5991
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Oh, yeah, I agree. Because the power rating of both the 1900 and 3900 were provided by Yamaha, I had a fair degree of confidence that the difference between the two, 10W per channel, was probably about right. For whatever reason my 3900, rated by Yamaha at 140W per channel, has seemed to me to have a LOT more power, than did my old 2400, rated by Yamaha at 120W per channel.

The amplifier design for the 1900/3900 dates back to 1700/2700, that was in year 2006 I believe. Here's the comparison I did a few pages back on the power amp and main power supply between the 1800/1900/3800/3900. Conclusion here is only the main reservoir capacitors are bigger on the 3800/3900, giving the 10W/ch extra rating:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post15948436
post #2055 of 5991
I need a definative answer ...

If I am going to route a cable box and dvd at 1080i into the RX-V3900 and run the monitor from Component Monitor Out, will the GUI work?

Will the Short Messages for Volume and EXTD Surround work?

I have a unit on order, and I am confused between what the manual for the unit says and what I read here in the forum.

Is there a definative answer or not?

D
post #2056 of 5991
Thread Starter 
Short messsage works when the input is component, and the output is HDMI though. I take it you are connecting the 3900 to something that does not accept HDMI?
post #2057 of 5991
Correct ...

the input is actually a component output from a NeoPro 8x8 A-V matrix switch, and the component Monitor out is being sent via Component Baluns over cat5e to a sharp lcd....

So I need a component pathway from start to finish ...

D
post #2058 of 5991
What is SHORT MESSAGE? I have been wondering...
post #2059 of 5991
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Originally Posted by corpfan1 View Post

What is SHORT MESSAGE? I have been wondering...

It's the two-line information (eg. when you press the volume button) at the bottom of the video screen, available only on video from analog inputs (composite, S-Video and component) channels, for the 1900.
post #2060 of 5991
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Originally Posted by dshurett View Post

That is exactly what it was. Found it about 2 hours ago while the forum was down for maintenance. Was coming back here to post my results. Thank you anyway for the suggestion, you were right on target.


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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

On the 3900 HDMI setup menu do you have audio going to Amp or Amp+TV ? If you had Amp+TV it would prevent the player from sending a bitstream because the TV can't accept it.

Also, how many channel indicator lights are showing on your 3900? i.e. are you getting 5.1 PCM or only 2.0 PCM?

Same for me! I have had this problem for months with my 3900 and I just figured it out myself and came here to post what I found and it was already posted. I could not figure out why I would only get PCM (no Dolby Digital or True HD) from my Panasonic Blu Ray BD35 set to Bitstream. It was because on my 3900, I had the HDMI, Audio Output, set to Amp + TV. I finally figured it out and changed it to Amp using the "Receiver Manager for V3900 ver 1.00" software. It's much easier to use than the menus and remote control. I came here to post it and someone else had the same issue and the answer. This forum is very informative.
post #2061 of 5991
Switched my TiVo to component for video and optical for audio to my 3900.
TiVo no longer gets stupid about the output format. It stays put on native.
Problem solved with eliminating HDMI.
post #2062 of 5991
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Originally Posted by quenthal View Post

firmware update via USB works just fine.

I couldn't find any firmware on the Yamaha site (for my 3900). Do you have a link to the latest version? I thought that was the version that was supposed to fix the "blue sparklies" issue. Not that I've seen them...

Joe

FWIW, my Motorola 6200 box from Verizon (FIOS) likes to reset itself to forced 480i. However, the 3900 is perfectly happy to take the 1080i component and send it to my Sharp 52 as 1080p.
post #2063 of 5991
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Originally Posted by jdpurvis View Post

I couldn't find any firmware on the Yamaha site (for my 3900). Do you have a link to the latest version?

A link to the updates is on this page from Yamaha USA (registration required).

And this page, from Yamaha in Japan, just lets you download directly.

I don't suppose you have an XM tuner with your RX-V3900, do you?
post #2064 of 5991
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Thanks!

Doh! I looked at that page a bunch of times while shopping and never noticed the links!

I love the receiver, though I don't have all my speakers yet (Monitor Audio RS-6 series - they had to order the surrounds and center). Video quality is awesome, and sound is great (so far). I didn''t get a satellite radio adapter, but am a Sirius subscriber otherwise, so I may. I'm just beginning to learn about the network capabilities of this complex critter. I wonder if it could link to internet Sirius....

Joe
post #2065 of 5991
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Originally Posted by zoomnpa View Post

Switched my TiVo to component for video and optical for audio to my 3900.
TiVo no longer gets stupid about the output format. It stays put on native.
Problem solved with eliminating HDMI.

I switched to component for my Motorola 6200 (FIOS). Now the box stays at 1080i and the Yamaha 3900 sends 1080p to the Sharp. I used the coax rather than audio because it's supposed to be better (less jitter) - I haven't listened closely but both sound ok, and both seem to get decoded ok from Dolby 5.1, which is the most the box ever sends.

Joe
post #2066 of 5991
Those who are considering purchasing an RX-V3900 before 3/14 might be interested in this. (I'm not connected with this website in any way. It just
sounds like a great deal to me, so I thought I'd share.)

http://www.**************/forums/hot-deals/909289
post #2067 of 5991
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Originally Posted by jdpurvis View Post

I wonder if it could link to internet Sirius....

A firmware update was previously promised by Yamaha for "March 2009" with just this capability. I don't know if this is still being promised or when/if it will be available. But once upon a time it was listed on the web page and cited on an insert that came in the carton.
post #2068 of 5991
Ahhh! Okay, my 1900 just arrived a few hours ago and I got everything connected and powered it up and...

I don't get any response from the remote. I have also tried the 2nd remote as well as programming my Harmony. The unit doesn't have any response- I tried replacing the batteries, ensured the remote sensor is set to on (as well as turning it off them back on again). I checked the ID, and reset to factory settings and still no luck with any of the remotes.
I tried running through the auto calibration too and it says "press enter to run auto setup" and I have tried pressing enter on the front of the receiver (as well as the remote) and nothing happens.

Please tell me you guys have some wonderful hints that can help resolve this!

Thank you.
post #2069 of 5991
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Originally Posted by bd8653 View Post

Ahhh! Okay, my 1900 just arrived a few hours ago and I got everything connected and powered it up and...

I don't get any response from the remote. I have also tried the 2nd remote as well as programming my Harmony. The unit doesn't have any response- I tried replacing the batteries, ensured the remote sensor is set to on (as well as turning it off them back on again). I checked the ID, and reset to factory settings and still no luck with any of the remotes.
I tried running through the auto calibration too and it says "press enter to run auto setup" and I have tried pressing enter on the front of the receiver (as well as the remote) and nothing happens.

Please tell me you guys have some wonderful hints that can help resolve this!

Thank you.


WAF got home and I was showing her the "good" news and the "BAD!!!" news and, well, there was not bad news. everything is working now.
post #2070 of 5991
bd8653, I had exactly the same issue with my 3900. The manual says the remote sensors are sensitive to flourescent lighting. I replaced some bulbs with the standard incadescent and like magic the remote worked. It only worked for a breif period. Crutfield replaced my unit and I haven't had any issues. So for you maybe it's just the lighting at the time you use the remote.

Good luck!
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