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post #3991 of 5991
Greetings, this is probably my first post, but I know I found the best thread on the planet.
You Guys Rock.

Well, I'll try to make this brief. Could be tough.
I purchased this 3900 along with the 52" & 36" Sam's back in Jan 09.
Mostly from the advice seen here.

The odd part of this for some might be that its all setup in my Monster Garage. I have the TV's mounted where the 52" is in the office, and the 36" sits above passage door out in the shop. The door just misses as it passes under the TV where it's mounted on a highend swing mount.

I'll update all the names and specs later of the gear used.

The only source used has been Comcast cable so far to the sets.
The 3900 has been sitting the whole time unused. It's been a mind blower deciding how to set him up in this odd configured shop/office.

I thought for sure it was going to be slung under my upper console of double wide desk system. Sort of like a 60's Nasa control center. With all the other components stretched along side by side. Oh well.

Then a major brain storm, and the 3900 finally found it's spot.
I had a heavy weight chrome thick beamed 6 foot high, 3 foot wide, 16" deep shelf unit with 4 glass shelfs not being used.

It fit perfect in the passageway between shop and office in a set back against the wall. Power & Cable was also there.
Blast off to Ultimate Electronics where it all came from and found end of roll of 14G 4 conductor encased in white jacket, and powder filled from Monster.

Tinned the ends, mount a shielded buss bar to one end for the speakers, and then try to figure out who gets the other ends.
This is way different from the back of the Marantz I had since the 70's.

The back of 3900 is an eye gouge. I think I picked out front L/R.

The speakers are huge. 24 wide, 3 feet tall, 20 deep and top front half tapers back with other tweets sitting in top plate. About 50-60lbs each.
They sit on shelf dead center front wall of shop a half inch from ceiling. I thought I had info on them in hard drive, but will gather later.

Tried a sound check to make sure both speakers were on line.
Then at earphone jack of iPhone, the 3900 found it, and then it happened. I never knew the true force of Pink Floyd until this moment.

So I opened the front door of the shop and walked out towards the corn field. Wow, that farmer is going to be surprised when the corn is taller in his field compared to the others.

I'm not sure just how I'm going to be able to take advantage of this guys 7.1. But I do have a second set of taller speakers with twin twelves in them. I can't lift them. They have to be 100lbs each. I could maybe place a few satellite mid/highs on the ceiling.
The floor is pretty much off limit taken up by tools.

The treat will be when the HDMI cables are run.
Can't wait to see and hear this.
Blueray is there ready to go, and PlayStation mainly for Gran Turismo.
A second HDdvd unit is also ready. It has VHS to DVD recording to
make that process easier down the road.

The Yahama docking is needed for the iPhone.
I see also a Bluetooth unit similar in size.
Minor tests with remote (small one) might require radio remote as direct view to 3900 is limited.
Or do line of site pool shot with a mirror for infrared.

Like I noted earlier, if this note is out of place feel free to move it.

Cheers
post #3992 of 5991
Glad you like it,

Just wanted to say that you can get IR remote extenders at radio shack amongst other places. I have a Logitech Harmony One and the optional remote to Bluetooth controller for the PS3. Check it out if you havn't already it really finishes of a system nicely. One other thing; make sure your 3900 has good ventalation or air arround it, cause they will make some heat.

Enjoy

Dave
post #3993 of 5991
Thread Starter 
I suggest banana plugs to ease your life when connected speakers to the 3900. I refuse to make all those connections without banana plugs.
post #3994 of 5991
Quote:
Originally Posted by michaeljhuman View Post

i suggest banana plugs to ease your life when connected speakers to the 3900. I refuse to make all those connections without banana plugs.

+1
post #3995 of 5991
Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman View Post

I suggest banana plugs to ease your life when connected speakers to the 3900. I refuse to make all those connections without banana plugs.

where's the fun in that??
post #3996 of 5991
Thread Starter 
Maybe you have nimble surgeons fingers, I don't. I struggle to try to shove the bare wire into both terminals and hold it in place with one hand while screwing down the barrel at the same time.
post #3997 of 5991
Thread Starter 
The Z7 does not improve audio. The Z7 only slightly improves video, if at all, IMO.

The Z7 does have features the 3900 does not.
post #3998 of 5991
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeroCoolHT View Post

MJH,

Is it worth a 500.00 to $900.00 price difference, from a price point of view?

Cool

Is the price difference that much?

I was under the impression it was only $150ish street price if you're an astute buyer......
post #3999 of 5991
Thread Starter 
I paid considerably less than MSRP for mine making it more tolerable.
post #4000 of 5991
Quote:
Originally Posted by daveswantek View Post

Glad you like it,

get IR remote extenders I have a Logitech Harmony One and the optional remote to Bluetooth controller for the PS3.

One other thing; make sure your 3900 has good ventalation or air arround it, cause they will make some heat.

Enjoy Dave

Great Tip with the IR Remotes.
The 3900 is sitting on the top beams of open rack with no glass shelfs.
I don't think it gets any better than that, and the shop is always looking for extra heat now.

Quote:


MichaelJHuman
I suggest banana plugs to ease your life when connected speakers to the 3900. I refuse to make all those connections without banana plug

Absolute.
I just called Ultimate 5 minutes ago thinking maybe they don't have them when they had to dig out the cable.
Dave at the store goes 'Yea we have them", I said 'no you don't' or I'd have them, 'Right? That got him thinking.

So not having them that evening is why I tinned the ends for now.
Can't have frayed bad hair day nonsense back there.

Cheers
Phil
post #4001 of 5991
I have two questions that I'm hoping some of you pros can answer.

1) What would be a fair equivalent of the RX-V1900 in the DENON line? I know the features and methods are different between the two, but what Denon model would directly compete with similar specs/features?

2) How does the ADRC in the Yamaha line compare with the Audyssey Dynamic Volume of the Denon's? Do these features do the same thing? Which one does a better job?

Thanks in advance!
post #4002 of 5991
i have the 3900, when i run it watching tv i keep getting dialnorm-4db message, cant find anything about it in the manuel, am i missing something
post #4003 of 5991
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Originally Posted by keifer202 View Post

i have the 3900, when i run it watching tv i keep getting dialnorm-4db message, cant find anything about it in the manuel, am i missing something

Update your firmware, you will get rid of that pesky feature.

Cheers.
post #4004 of 5991
thanks for the info
post #4005 of 5991
hi
I have Mirage Omnisat OS3-CC - Center channel speaker and I recently got it repaired because it would turn off my RX-V3900 sound system during loud movie play, around 6db. now I'm having the same problem again! What should i do? Should I try to fix it again or get something more powerful?
thank you
post #4006 of 5991
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Originally Posted by Philscbx View Post

I'll update specs later of the gear used.
Cheers

Update:
The speaker pair used are dbx Soundfield V (L)
8 ohm. 20 - 250 watts in perfect shape.

I did get nice compact solder type banana plugs installed on the speaker leads.
The heck with binding twisted wire. Photo taken looks factory.

Running the pair of dbx seems to work on the front L&R position connections.
Currently no 5.1 or 7.1 setup.
Please advise if the pair should be connected different.

Also, these speakers have other connections on it's connection
point that I'm not sure what think.

•After returning 2- 35 foot HDMi cables for 800HD 6 meter, we now have both Sam's connected. 52" in office/36" in the shop.
Flip in Blueray Transformer flick, view on both screens fine, then I bum out
that I no longer have the option for the TV's speakers.

Apparently the 3900 doesn't pass along the sound on HDMi.
I tried every menu option, and I don't see a way out of it.
This somewhat defeats my process wanted.

I'm hoping someone can steer me other than running RCA, or fiber optic to be able to use the Tv's sound.
Update:Using iPhone today I didn't notice earlier post that just might be the answer/
(Originally Posted by aarend
Hi there,
Just bought a 3900 and set it up. Great sound. However I'm having problems getting sound to my TV when using passthrough.) Maybe I should try the new software update as well.

The Yahama docking is needed for the iPhone.
Is the Yamaha iPhone dock the best option?

As always Thanks'
Phil
post #4007 of 5991
HDMI passes the sound to my TV.
post #4008 of 5991
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostyMelon View Post

HDMI passes the sound to my TV.

Yep, no problem when direct feed from Blueray to Sam's.
No Tv sound, or control/ Blueray>3900>Sam's.
So the update has to be the badly needed data.
post #4009 of 5991
Apparently the 3900 doesn't pass along the sound on HDMi.
I tried every menu option, and I don't see a way out of it.
This somewhat defeats my process wanted.

Yes it does, there is something wrong with your set up or perhaps with your particular receiver.


Cheers
post #4010 of 5991
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralarcon View Post

Apparently the 3900 doesn't pass along the sound on HDMi.
I tried every menu option, and I don't see a way out of it.
This somewhat defeats my process wanted.

Yes it does, there is something wrong with your set up or perhaps with your particular receiver.Cheers

Even if the update wasn't done yet?
post #4011 of 5991
Quote:
Originally Posted by Philscbx View Post


The Yahama docking is needed for the iPhone.
Is the Yamaha iPhone dock the best option?
Phil


I have it and like it fwiw. Used it with an ipod nano and an ipod classic. I don't love the yamaha UI for accessing stuff on the ipod, but once I get a playlist going I'm fine.
post #4012 of 5991
Thread Starter 
The 3900 can send sound to your TVs depending on settings. I have tested this.
post #4013 of 5991
Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman View Post

The 3900 can send sound to your TVs depending on settings. I have tested this.

Under settings, then hdmi, then sound, set to either tv or amp and tv.
post #4014 of 5991
Quote:
Originally Posted by Philscbx View Post

Yep, no problem when direct feed from Blueray to Sam's.
No Tv sound, or control/ Blueray>3900>Sam's.
So the update has to be the badly needed data.

I should have clarified - it does this straight across the board on my 3900 into the Samsung 52" LCD.
post #4015 of 5991
Quote:
Originally Posted by fcb View Post

Under settings, then hdmi, then sound, set to either tv or amp and tv.

Nice, I thank You.
I browsed the manual, and still missed it.
Tomorrow for sure. I had to leave the shop 20 miles from home, and only cell phone to post message can be a pain in fringe area.

One thing sure, I'm fabricating a industrial lazy susan to rotate this beast on the rack. It sits on glass at eye level, 5.5 from the floor, and my arms have had it.

Cheers,
And thanks also to FrostyMelon, frottage, Ralarcon.
post #4016 of 5991
No worries. It should allow passthrough, etc, regardless of firmware. It's worked that way for me since I got the unit at launch (I will note I use 'AMP' setting only).

What type of shop are you setting all of this up? Just curious.
post #4017 of 5991
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostyMelon View Post

No worries. It should allow passthrough, etc, regardless of firmware. It's worked that way for me since I got the unit at launch (I will note I use 'AMP' setting only).

What type of shop are you setting all of this up? Just curious.

This morning waking up at the shop was definitely a 'FrostyMelon' day when aiming laser gun out the door at my truck that displayed 27 degrees. So winter has set in North of the Twin Cities.

This shop all started 3 years ago when Whole Foods purchased the building that took the entire block downtown Mpls that my partner & I based our snow removal equipment in. So the hunt began for a new shop.
Who'd a thought I'd find it on CraigsList. 600 acre cornfields across the street.

Repairs during winter operation can be brutal and a $5000 broom attachment has to be on the job. All night welding missions seem to happen when new guys say they can run a Bobcat and take on a concrete building that somehow pulled out in front of them. Probably a cell phone incident.
Bobcat say's it's junk when they haul it in, then I show up and haul it to my shop. After couple days of major wirefeed & grinding therapy, it's back on the job.

That gives you some idea, but we do have toys. So in order to do it right, then you get one of these:
http://www.klsupply.com/LIFTEQUIPMEN...8/Default.aspx The RX1 snowmobile is up on a different one right now. Crawling on the floor was getting old.

Camping there on regular basis needed serious make over.
The process of gathering components that actually work when connected took longer than it should. I was just 15 years out of sync, and weather radar on 20 year old 13" was torture on the eyes.
Cheers.
post #4018 of 5991
is it Ok to mix and match speakers?
post #4019 of 5991
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KHWADI View Post

is it Ok to mix and match speakers?

Sure. I have for years. There are some downsides.

* You may run into the weakest link factor - differences in speaker performance may limit system output; for example speakers with low sensitivity
* Differences in speaker frequency response may be noticeable; for example if something pans from left to right, and if your center channel is not matched to your L/R speakers, you may notice a difference in sound between the center and the L/R speaker

For me it was all about practical things. I have tried out different L/R speakers over the years, and made other changes, and ended up with 4 different brands of speakers in my 7.1 setup. I would like to change the front three speakers some day to be better matched in my system as the L/R and center channels sound pretty different when playing test tones.
post #4020 of 5991
Greetings everyone!

I'm very interested in the RX-V3900 since I've seen some of the features and add-on devices available for it. I purchased a Denon 2310CI about 6 months ago and have been extremely happy with it's performance. I'm kicking myself, though, now that I've found out for a few hundred dollars I could've gotten the 3310CI which allows network streaming. Doh!

How I found my way to the RX-V3900 was through my search for multi-room network audio streaming. This lead me to Yamaha's MusicCast2 network music commander. This device could integrate decently well with my existing Denon 2310CI, but it would more seamlessly integrate with an RX-V3900.

The problem is that if I was to currently integrate the MusicCast2 commander, I would need to purchase one of the pre-amp devices as well to use it with my Denon 2310CI. The little pre-amp devices only have analog output and they just don't seem like the right solution. If I wanted to fire up music downstairs, I'd still have to run down and power up the Denon, switch it to the right input, then I could control the music from upstairs.

I'm wondering if I would have the ability to fire up the RX-V3900 remotely with the Music Commander? It seems like that would be one of the benefits of integrating the Music Commander with one of Yamaha's networked receivers. I'm also wondering what kind of other functionality I might gain having the Music Commander coupled with the RX-V3900 vs. my 2310CI?

Last question, this is all assuming the RX-V3900 can playback multi-channel and stereo 24/96 FLAC via network streaming. I see it can playback FLAC and has the 24/192 DAC, but there's always a chance it's not supported. I have a pretty intense collection of DVD-A and SACD rips that I'd want to stream off the RX-V3900 and this functionality is very important to me.

If I could wring the functionality I want out of the RX-V3900 and MusicCast2 network music commander then I could potentially save thousands of dollars vs. integrating some expensive solution like a Crestron multi-room audio distribution center.

Thank you for your responses.
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