"Official" RX-V1900/RX-V3900 Thread - Page 142

Although the component video and optical audio solution works to prevent STBs from spontaneously resetting their video resolution, this solution created another problem when I used component to connect my TiVo Series3 to my 3900. With component video, the screen would black out for a second or so every time a signal with a new resolution was received. That finally started to bug me so much that I changed back to HDMI and decided to live with using a 1080i Fixed resolution, instead of the Native, which I really preferred. I understand that there are HDMI switches that resolve the problem but they are rather expensive, so I decided not to even try one. I agree, though, that there is no practical difference between the PQ of an STB's video with component compared to HDMI.

Michael and I have had this discussion before. The consensus on AVS Forum seems to be that there is no practical difference in the PQ of a cable or OTA transmissions delivered by component from those delivered by HDMI. Indeed, my own tests have convinced me that my TiVo Series3's transmissions look the same with either connection when viewed on my 60 inch Pioneer Kuro 6020 plasma. Nevertheless, I don't dismiss the possibility that someone with a different setup, especially a significantly larger display, might see differences that I do not.

Thanks gwsat - my problems is exactly opposite of yours. Mine resets everything to defaults settings which is 480i where yours is upscaling everything at 1080i. That's what I want mine to do but after I set the box to do so and turn it off (the 1900) and back on it resets itself. I see that a few people recommend using component out and use optical for the audio. I might try this option and see if I can see a PQ difference. I have the Kuro 5020HD.

There is another fix which I presently am using is to run an HDMI cable from my cable box directly to the back of the tv and bypass the 1900 altogether. I then run optical out for my audio to the 1900 and that works.

I would just prefer one HDMI cable going to the tv so I think I will try the component video hook up this week and see what happens. Will I get OSD from my 1900 on my Kuro going this route?

Thanks

We agree. PQ always requires subjective judgment and is made even more complex when one considers the differences in HT setups. Thus, it's not surprising that you see differences in the PQ of component compared to HDMI on your system that I don't see on mine.

g-dog -- After considering the matter, I decided not to go the separate HDMI route because I really like being able to use the same HDMI Input on my Kuro for every activity that requires the 3900. The only activity I have setup on my Harmony remote that isn't controlled by the 3900 is the Watch TV activity, which uses my Kuro's internal tuner and speakers with the 3900 turned off. The switching for everything else is handled internally by the 3900. I have loved it.

I just picked up some component video cables from BB. I am going to try and see if I see a difference. I am like you I would like to utilize my Kuro's input for everything running from my 1900 so hopefully I will be happy with this connection. I also use a Harmony One remote to run my 1900 and Kuro.

For big volume numbers???

Yes, but you would have to be a beta tester as I don't have a 1900 myself. Also, I'm not sure if the 1900s with USB ports will accept a firmware update from CD.

Or what if the 1900 supported the new iPhone control app so you could see the volume on that?

don't have an iphone or USB ports I do really like my 1900, sans the small volume display

If like me you have been looking for the proper RS232 Docs for this reciever you can find them at this link took a lot of google searching and unfruitful thread reading before I hit the right google keyword combo for a direct link
It also contains the IR codes.

"www.yamaha-service.de/downloadyo.php?idcat1=1&country=&idcat2=2&lang=h&idcat3=2&idprod=1471"

Your URL is not working for me, but are they the same docs that were linked here and here?
The commands are very similar to the 1700/1900, but there are a few differences.

I can't believe it lol. I have read that thread and missed them before. It has those docs plus a the IR docs. It is version 1.01 for the RS232 codes. The link needs the quotation marks removed and then it works nicely

Hey buddies:



I have an RX 2700 presently and wish to upgrade. Before I had the RZ-1, which I loved for the sound and, for my own taste, the front additional presence speakers, besides the rear surround channel. I used all the speakers configuration and marvelled when, in an action move scene, the sound moved back to front or vice versa. Then came the new models. The isoterical Rz-11 and the RZ-7. They are both expensive , old, though with unquestionable quality.


What I want is a mid-range receiver, more affordable, with a A 9.1 configuration, and the benefits of the hdmi development. I don't need the 10.1 channels of the Rz-11, pricey, and allow me, a little old. The RZ-7 got a 7.1 configuration.


Yamaha last upgrade in receivers happened in 2008, and though the RX-3900 has been praised , it is 7.1.


Do you see any chance that Yamaha should release new models in 2010, 9.1configured?


Though the RX-3900 has good improvements over the RS 2700, none of them fills my wishes with a more profund sound imersion, the clear transition of pictures sound effects, coming from back to front and the reverse as I put above.


I need an upgrade, but my choices are very expensive and the Rx- 3900 that would be my logical movement, does not offer what I really need.


The RS 2700 does not equal the R-Z1 I had, that was damaged by a surge accident despite of my efforts turned useless to my use.


I ask you gently, so, being away form the receivers market, to give me possible informations you have, rumours and even expections.


My engagement with Yamaha dates far back, so I won't change it for other brands as experts and dealers have suggested me. Better keep my RX-2700.

Thanks a lot.

Thanks Michael.

hi buddies:



Onkyo has a different approach on extra front channels, using the dolby pro logic IIz. Technically would it be different thant using two frontal channels, amplified. Which one do you think would perform better?


Thanks

I consider my front speakers to be good quality for my budget (lower end Paradigm towers), but they're nothing like what some of you have. Even still, sometimes I listen to 2 channel music that seems to come at me from the sides and behind.
And 5.1 uncompressed? WOW!
So my is point is - why 9.1?
Is your A/V room enormous? I don't mean to be rude or come across the wrong way but unless you have a very large cinema style set-up I wonder about the benefits of 9.1
I suppose in a smaller room, 9.1 could maybe make sense if you were using very small speakers (a bit like modern cars that have 9+ speakers).
I guess the only other factor is the number of people normally listening. If it's more than two or three (critical) sets of ears listening at the same time then I imagine 9.1 would provide better coverage to multiple listening positions.
For me, 5.1 HD audio is just brilliant.
Of course, YMMV
Cheers,
Stuart.

waltie: The RX-V1900, RX-V3900, and RX-Z7 *ARE* all 9.1 (i.e., they have the two front presence channels that you want, and you only have to forego the use of either Zone 2 or Zone 3 to use them). I have the 3900 and have been using these for nearly a year. On page 11 of the RX-V3900 manual it says: The presence speakers supplement the sound from the front speakers with extra ambient effects produced by the sound field programs (page 40). ... To use the presence speakers, connect the speakers to SP1 speaker terminals and then set "Front Presence" to "Yes" (page 88). Similar text appears in the RX-V1900 manual (on page 12) and in the RX-Z7 manual (on page 16). These front presence speakers behave exactly like they did when connected to my (much) older (and beloved) DSP-A1.

(I could not access the RX-V1900 manual from the CA web site (which requires no authentication), but all of the manuals are available from the US site, to which you must sign in with an EasyPass account (which is free) in order to access them.)

Thanks to all of you guys:




I enphasize my wanting for a 9.1 set up, to have the front to back and back to front effects I had with my RZ-1, even matrixed. People who watched pictures with me always enjoyed it as me a lot too.


I read about the DLP IIz and dolby explained the aim was to route the special effects to the two extra speakers, improving the realism of the picture. I would have to see if it really works out properly, since, so far, the innovation is just in one of the Onkyo units.


I have a large room and, so far, the yamaha receivers I used were 130 to 140watts, just too good to me, because I use a standard volume level for me and others appreciation ( I never push it on).


The information of the possible adding of the speakers with the front ones in the RX-V 9000 is pretty valuable, because I want to upgrade to a mid-range receiver.


I relly appreciated your helping me. Let´s see if yamaha releases new models in the 2010, including even other features. There's an electronic event in january and maybe we have news.


Merry Christmas and a happy new year for you all.

They are not 9.1, they are 7.1. You have to give up the rear surrounds if you want to use the presence speakers (i.e. you have to choose between 7.1 or 5.1+presence). Yamaha wouldn't miss the chance to market them as 9.1 receivers if they really could output 9 channels at once.

It's a good bet that some of the new models to be announced soon (probably at CES in January) will be true 9.1, and also support standards such as PLIIz.

Hi All-

I'm wondering if anyone out there has had a recent issue with the entering of their Rhapsody password?

I recently had to change my password & as a result, need to go into the Yamaha to enter the new password. While in the password input screen, once I have entered 2 or 3 characters, the screen then flashes & disappears and goes to the prior gui page. I have tried entering the password with the knobs on the front of the unit & also with the remote- not working.

Anyone experience this?

Thanks!

Had this problem and deleted the account (in the 3900) then added it back.
Worked for me.
(Seem to recall that Rhapsody did some changes for security and must have affected the 3900 account)

How do you delete the account? Where would I find this option?

OK, it's not a true 9.1 AVR in that it does not have 9 full-power (140W) channels, but it does have two extra lower-power (perhaps 35W per channel each) stereo amps for zones 2 and 3, and it is one of these that gets used for the front presence channels, not the rear surround amp. If I play a DTS-HD 7.1 BD (e.g., The Golden Compass) I get sound out of all 9 speakers plus the sub, and if I set the AVR to output the test tones, it cycles through all 7.1 regular channels (including the 2 rear surrounds) plus the two front presence channels.

I think you're wrong about that. The presence channels may share connectors with zones 2/3, but here is a direct quote from the RX-Z7 manual (which should be the most capable of the RX-V1900, RX-V3900, and RX-Z7):

"The surround back speakers and presence speakers do not output sound simultaneously."

It should, or at least it was implied in the service manual (I would say maybe half of the world's 1900 are without USB ports, and the other half have USBs, but they seemed to share firmwares). So, any luck in getting the firmware in .wav format, I'll be a willing beta tester too!

That's correct! Seven identical amps. If the speaker config is already a 7.1, and presence speakers are there, I believe there are certain DSP modes that will switch the audio to the presence speakers (for example, dialog lift) and there will not be any sound from the rear surrounds in this mode.

Also, zones 2 and 3 are available only as line level outputs if all 7 speaker outputs are used. External amps must be used for these zones then.