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post #5671 of 6030
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post

I just purchased a RX-V1900... I have been looking to see if there is a firmware update for the Yamaha???

As far as I know there never was a firmware update for the 1900 (since it's very similar to the 1800, I think any bugs were already fixed and issued as updates for the 1800).
post #5672 of 6030
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Originally Posted by waringb View Post

Here's the raw XML as returned from desc.xml: ...

Thanks, although it turns out the 3900 is not giving up the info I need through the desc.xml file. Probably going to need Wireshark to trace what happens when Receiver Manager goes through the initial discovery process.
post #5673 of 6030
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post
As far as I know there never was a firmware update for the 1900 (since it's very similar to the 1800, I think any bugs were already fixed and issued as updates for the 1800).
Thanks so far everything is working Great and hope I never need a firmware update.. We used the Db meter and fine tuned the system today, much better now. I really like the 1900 so far. I am trying to get the 1900 to pass thru the audio from FIOS so kids can watch the flatt screen with 1900 off and use TV speakers.. Bitsreaming from Bluray player (HDMI) to 1900 and HDMI from FIOS box to 1900?? I may have to hook it up different???
post #5674 of 6030
Sorry, but there's no HDMI passthrough on the 1900 while turned off. So you might want to connect the FiOS box directly to the TV, and run an extra optical audio cable from the box to the 1900.
post #5675 of 6030
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

Sorry, but there's no HDMI passthrough on the 1900 while turned off. So you might want to connect the FiOS box directly to the TV, and run an extra optical audio cable from the box to the 1900.

I sure am Happy with the HD audio and video hooked up with HDMI. I have the cables, I guess I can try it and see if I notice a difference. Thanks, watching Grand Kids and have little alone time to read and try different hook ups. They go home tomorrow. I will try the other cables.
post #5676 of 6030
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Originally Posted by Louis Bartay View Post
I sure am Happy with the HD audio and video hooked up with HDMI. I have the cables, I guess I can try it and see if I notice a difference.
You won't lose anything with an optical cable from a TV box because the box doesn't output HD audio. It's not like a Blu-ray player, where you would lose something (although not much) with an optical cable.
post #5677 of 6030
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

I am having an issue where the AVR is incorrectly selecting my TV Audio Input source instead of HDMI 2 when everything first powers up. This causes me to have to manually select HDMI 2 after the TV is on and warmed up in order to have sound.

Here are the details:

SETTINGS:
Under the Setup HDMI menu on the AVR I have HDMI Control set to ON, ARC set to ON, and TV Audio Input set to AV1.

I have my Comcast STB connected to the AVR via HDMI 2 input, and the HDMI output from the AVR is connected to the HDMI ARC input on my Samsung PN63C8000. The STB remains on at all times and when I finished viewing my AVR is always on HDMI 2 and I power off the Samsung and AVR.

ISSUE:
When I power the AVR and TV, the AVR correctly shows HDMI 2 **at first** - while the TV is warming up. However after about 5 seconds the TV warms up as soon as the picture comes on the AVR switches to AV1!

It seems like the TV Audio Input setting of AV1 is causing the AVR to say "Oh, the TV is on, I need to switch to AV1". However that is wrong. I get NO SOUND that way. The receiver needs to be on HDMI 2 in order for me to get sound.

In fact as soon as I manually switch it to HDMI 2, I get sound and everything is good. But the problem is the next time I turn on all the components I have to manually choose HDMI 2 again. And I can't set a macro for the remote to switch this because its about 5 seconds after power up before the command would need to be sent, and no family members are going to keep the remote pointed at the TV that long...

If I change the TV Audio Input setting to something else, then when everything powers up the AVR switches to that setting. So this setting is definitely dictating what input gets selected.

If I set the HDMI Control setting to OFF, then the problem goes away. However that is not a viable solution, because for other viewing I need the Audio Return Channel feature. And ARC does not function if I set HDMI Control to OFF.

Ideally there would be an option I could use to tell the AVR not to auto switch. But apparently there is no way to do this (short of turning off HDMI Control, which would then cause me to loose ARC).

Does anyone have some ideas on how to best handle this? Thanks so much in advance!

I have the identical problem. Is there some way to keep ARC turned on and still have the Receiver start at CBL/SAT rather than TV?
post #5678 of 6030
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Originally Posted by rnovack View Post

I have the identical problem. Is there some way to keep ARC turned on and still have the Receiver start at CBL/SAT rather than TV?

Setup>Option>Initial Set>Audio Select
Gives options of Auto (input sensed) or Last (last selected when powered off)

This should help.
post #5679 of 6030
I've got a minor problem with my RX-V1900 that just annoys me but I can't seem to find an answer in the manual.

When I first turned on the receiver, it came on instantly and worked the same way for several weeks. After making some random change in the settings (I don't remember which) there is a turn on delay of 5 seconds. I tried resetting several settings and suddenly the receiver started up instantly again. Unfortunately I changed several things and I do not remember what the changes were.

After a week or two, the receiver went back to a 5 second turn on delay. I have not been able to get the instant turn on back and I have not been able to find any reference in the manual to a 5 second turn on delay.

It happens on both FM radio and TV. It's really only a minor annoyance but it is an annoyance none the less. Can anyone explain what happened and how to get back to instant turn on?

I find reprogramming the FM stations to be tedious and I would like to avoid resetting to the initial factory settings.
post #5680 of 6030
Thread Starter 
Takes my Z7 some time to start playing audio when powering up from standbye. Never really been instant on. For one thing, there's a slight delay while the relays switch on.

I would have to be there to see if your turn on delay is different than mine.
post #5681 of 6030
The issue is not ambiguous. When I first turned on either the main zone or the other zones, the sound was as near to instantaneous as I would bother to measure (I would be willing to admit a quarter second to a half second, no more). Now the delay is 5 seconds. I can walk to another room before any sound comes out. It is no subtle difference.

I am not aware of any standby mode on the RX-V1900.
post #5682 of 6030
Out of three Yamaha receivers I've used in the past 3-4 years (currently using the RX-V1900), I've consistently had a short delay (approx. five seconds) prior to the source signal becoming audible. This is consistent with many other Denons, Marantz, Onkyos, Pioneers and other AV receiver and pre/pro's I have worked with as well.

While I don't doubt you've experienced the 'instant-on' audio behavior, I haven't experienced this on AV receivers in quite some time... -TD
post #5683 of 6030
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Originally Posted by edmcguirk View Post

The issue is not ambiguous. When I first turned on either the main zone or the other zones, the sound was as near to instantaneous as I would bother to measure (I would be willing to admit a quarter second to a half second, no more). Now the delay is 5 seconds. I can walk to another room before any sound comes out. It is no subtle difference.

I am not aware of any standby mode on the RX-V1900.

I am looking at my owners manual for my 1900. Page 26 Turning unit off and on....

Use the "Standby mode to turn main power supply off and on. If not done this way there will be a few seconds of delay before this unit can reproduce sound.

Main Zone On/Off, Standby(to turn unit OFF) consumes a small amount of power in order to receive infrared signals from remote.

If there are problems turn unit off and on again and use standby button on remote. If problem persist, initalize the parameters of this unit................see page 115 to Reset the system, follow the 5 steps Advanced Setup will appear on display....... Program to initialize ALL to cure delay for all zones.

My 2003 RX-V2400 and my 1900 do NOT have a long delay but I have programmed the the AVR to be on the "Standby" mode. It takes a about 2 or 3 seconds for my 1900 to make sound when off
and turned on. Non of my AVR were "instance on either" but not walk into the other room slow if programmed.
post #5684 of 6030
Ok, you're right. It looks like the way my 1900 is working is correct. I went ahead and initialized factory settings and there was no change. I suppose it's possible that I accidentally left the amp on and I was really just switching modes. I don't really think that is what I did but on two separate occasions for daily use more than a week long, the amp did turn on instantly. Maybe I'll find that mode again someday.
post #5685 of 6030
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Originally Posted by edmcguirk View Post

Ok, you're right. It looks like the way my 1900 is working is correct. I went ahead and initialized factory settings and there was no change. I suppose it's possible that I accidentally left the amp on and I was really just switching modes. I don't really think that is what I did but on two separate occasions for daily use more than a week long, the amp did turn on instantly. Maybe I'll find that mode again someday.

If you do PM me if unit is on TV and I have the CD player on and hit the CD on remote I get music very fast but going from CD to FIOS HD TV it takes a second or two for the 1900 to decode the TV signal DD 5.1 or PLII Movie etc.
post #5686 of 6030
Hello first let me apologize if this has been asked within this forum, but I recently purchased a v1900 and ran the auto setup and have to say that my subwoofer is almost non-existant with every source other than watching movies. I;d love a little more noticeable bass from my subwoofer when listening to audio tracks. Has anyone had a similar experience or know how to "fix" this? thanks for your help in advance.
post #5687 of 6030
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Originally Posted by dudedah View Post

Hello first let me apologize if this has been asked within this forum, but I recently purchased a v1900 and ran the auto setup and have to say that my subwoofer is almost non-existant with every source other than watching movies. I;d love a little more noticeable bass from my subwoofer when listening to audio tracks. Has anyone had a similar experience or know how to "fix" this? thanks for your help in advance.

Turn up the gain in the sound menu. The 1900 has a L and R sub control.
I had the same problem with my two subs.Play with the remote Menu/Display
buttons and read the manual it took me a few tries but you will see Speaker Configure LFE use the R arrow to + the gain I went about 80% and hit enter button, then press return button.... I control the bass on movies/music with the gain knob on the back of my subs.

On "Pure Direct" mode there is not a LFE signal sent to subs.
post #5688 of 6030
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Originally Posted by dudedah View Post

Hello first let me apologize if this has been asked within this forum, but I recently purchased a v1900 and ran the auto setup and have to say that my subwoofer is almost non-existant with every source other than watching movies. I;d love a little more noticeable bass from my subwoofer when listening to audio tracks. Has anyone had a similar experience or know how to "fix" this? thanks for your help in advance.

Sounds like YPAO set your main speakers as LARGE, so they play the bass instead of the sub except when you have a discrete LFE track (such as with movies in 5.1). Make sure all your speakers are set as SMALL with a suitable crossover frequency so the sub plays even for 2.0 sources, then increase the sub level if you want more bass.
post #5689 of 6030
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

Sounds like YPAO set your main speakers as LARGE, so they play the bass instead of the sub except when you have a discrete LFE track (such as with movies in 5.1). Make sure all your speakers are set as SMALL with a suitable crossover frequency so the sub plays even for 2.0 sources, then increase the sub level if you want more bass.

YES.......... I had to set all my Klipsch speakers as Small... I set my subs crossover in the 1900 at 80 hz and hz 100 on the back of my sub as a starting point. I have old Cornwall fronts with 15" woofers.
I then went manual on set up and used my Db meter to balance all the speakers for my room size and placement of the speakers.
post #5690 of 6030
I just bought a RX-V3900 and have a few questions / issues. I have connected everything up and upgraded to the latest 1.16 firmware but:

1. Anytime I connect ANY type of device to the PHONO L/R analog input and turn it on, static will mix with the audio coming out of the speakers even if the unit is set on another input besides PHONO. I did not notice this prior the 1.16 upgrade. Is this an issue?

2. The unit says it will not up-convert analog audio like it does video yet audio from analog inputs will play just fine through the hdmi cable on my tv. Is this normal?

3. I hooked up speakers with an amp to the PRE-OUT labeled "front" but got no audio. Does the PRE-OUT only output audio from analog sources?

4. For Audio Output if I select "Amp + TV" where do I connect the "TV" speakers to this unit?

Thanks!
post #5691 of 6030
Sorry for the dopey question guys, I had a quick looksie in the manual but didnt find and answer as such to :-

Is it possible to switch HDMI input sources while the 3900 is in standby though mode, or are stuck with only the last/fix one. Thanks for your help!
post #5692 of 6030
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Originally Posted by gsxrboy View Post

Is it possible to switch HDMI input sources while the 3900 is in standby though mode, or are stuck with only the last/fix one.

No, you can't change inputs while in standby. IIRC the 3900 was the first model to introduce HDMI standby through mode, and apart from that limitation it also draws quite a lot of power when turned off with standby through enabled (up to 90 watts).
post #5693 of 6030
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Originally Posted by protivakid View Post

I just bought a RX-V3900 and have a few questions / issues. I have connected everything up and upgraded to the latest 1.16 firmware but:

1. Anytime I connect ANY type of device to the PHONO L/R analog input and turn it on, static will mix with the audio coming out of the speakers even if the unit is set on another input besides PHONO. I did not notice this prior the 1.16 upgrade. Is this an issue?

I don't know if the firmware update changed anything, but you might expect some kind of problem if you connect anything to the PHONO input that is not an actual turntable (one without its own phono preamp). That input is much more sensitive than other analog inputs, so you don't want to connect devices that output a higher voltage. The manual also says you should connect a turntable to the GND terminal to reduce noise.

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2. The unit says it will not up-convert analog audio like it does video yet audio from analog inputs will play just fine through the hdmi cable on my tv. Is this normal?

It won't send analog audio inputs to the normal digital audio outputs. The HDMI output is a special case when you're sending audio to the TV, but you usually don't want to enable that feature. When the 3900 is sending audio to the TV it will only accept audio formats that the TV can handle, so surround sound from movies will drop down to stereo (even for the main speakers).

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3. I hooked up speakers with an amp to the PRE-OUT labeled "front" but got no audio. Does the PRE-OUT only output audio from analog sources?

The pre-outs will work for any source. I've never used mine so I don't know if you need to do something special to enable them.

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4. For Audio Output if I select "Amp + TV" where do I connect the "TV" speakers to this unit?

Amp + TV sends audio through the HDMI output cable to be played by the TV's internal speakers. But it's not usually a good idea to select this mode (see answer 2).
post #5694 of 6030
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

I don't know if the firmware update changed anything, but you might expect some kind of problem if you connect anything to the PHONO input that is not an actual turntable (one without its own phono preamp). That input is much more sensitive than other analog inputs, so you don't want to connect devices that output a higher voltage. The manual also says you should connect a turntable to the GND terminal to reduce noise.

What is odd though is that if I plug a device in there and turn it on, even if the 3900 is on a different input the auto will interfere. I'd expect it if the 3900 was set on PHONO input but even on others the PHONO will interfere! Is there a way I can get older firmware and downgrade to see if this issue occurred prior?

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It won't send analog audio inputs to the normal digital audio outputs. The HDMI output is a special case when you're sending audio to the TV, but you usually don't want to enable that feature. When the 3900 is sending audio to the TV it will only accept audio formats that the TV can handle, so surround sound from movies will drop down to stereo (even for the main speakers).

WOW! I had no idea it would do this. Kind of stinks but I guess I will disable sending audio out to the TV

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The pre-outs will work for any source. I've never used mine so I don't know if you need to do something special to enable them.

I wonder, can you use them to send analog L/R audio to the TV?
post #5695 of 6030
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

No, you can't change inputs while in standby. IIRC the 3900 was the first model to introduce HDMI standby through mode, and apart from that limitation it also draws quite a lot of power when turned off with standby through enabled (up to 90 watts).

Thanks for your reply, an A3000 it will be then!

90w is crazy
post #5696 of 6030
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Originally Posted by protivakid View Post

What is odd though is that if I plug a device in there and turn it on, even if the 3900 is on a different input the auto will interfere. I'd expect it if the 3900 was set on PHONO input but even on others the PHONO will interfere! Is there a way I can get older firmware and downgrade to see if this issue occurred prior?

If you do the update via USB, then you should be able to downgrade. I'd be surprised if it made a difference, but stranger things have happened. But non-turntable devices are overloading the Phono input, so it doesn't really matter what you hear in that case (you shouldn't plug them in). I happen to have firmware 1.11, send me a PM with your e-mail address if you want me to send it to you (I've no idea what problems there were in 1.11 that were subsequently fixed, but you can easily go back to the latest version any time).

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I wonder, can you use them (pre-outs) to send analog L/R audio to the TV?

Why do you want to use the TV speakers when the 3900 is turned on? I can see why you might want to use the TV when the 3900 is off (standby through mode).
post #5697 of 6030
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

If you do the update via USB, then you should be able to downgrade. I'd be surprised if it made a difference, but stranger things have happened. But non-turntable devices are overloading the Phono input, so it doesn't really matter what you hear in that case (you shouldn't plug them in). I happen to have firmware 1.11, send me a PM with your e-mail address if you want me to send it to you (I've no idea what problems there were in 1.11 that were subsequently fixed, but you can easily go back to the latest version any time).

Thanks, chriswy27@aol.com

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Why do you want to use the TV speakers when the 3900 is turned on? I can see why you might want to use the TV when the 3900 is off (standby through mode).

So that I can play videogames late at night without waking up the whole house.

Also one other odd thing. I had my Sega Genesis plugged into the unit through a composite video jack and when output of the 3900 through the HDMI jack the video would "jump" up and down on the tv. I tried turning processing on/off but it made no difference. I then hooked up a composite monitor out cable from the 3900 to the TV to test and with Analog>Analog processing off it did not jump anymore, but with it on it would still jump like the HDMI out did. I also hooked up another Genesis I have to test if it was the console and it did the same thing as the first one. I then tried my Nintendo 64 with composite out and even with processing the video was fine through HDMI and composite monitor out. Any ideas why the 3900 does this with a Sega Genesis?
post #5698 of 6030
I've never tried a Sega Genesis, but some of the older game consoles do tend to have slightly non-standard video signals that can give some receivers trouble.
post #5699 of 6030
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

I've never tried a Sega Genesis, but some of the older game consoles do tend to have slightly non-standard video signals that can give some receivers trouble.

No problems with our kids Wii games that is hooked up to a 1900. It was the first one to go wireless several years ago.
post #5700 of 6030
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

I've never tried a Sega Genesis, but some of the older game consoles do tend to have slightly non-standard video signals that can give some receivers trouble.

Perhaps, works fine when directly hooked into the TV so i'll just send the audio to the V3900. Nintendo 64, Sega Saturn, PS2, Xbox, Xbox 360, Wii, & 3DO all tested and working fine.
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