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post #5941 of 5991
1/31/13 at 6:15am
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Originally Posted by stevethebrain View Post

OK so it's a rule of thumb the surrounds be set around 2DB more than the fronts?
I have'nt looked real close when adjusting the level slider on the 465 for a nurmaric display.(will do later today) the speaker level slider on my 465 each time it move once in either direction what doe's that equate to in DB increments?

2dB higher for the surrounds isn't a hard rule, it depends on the volume you tend to use for movies. Some receivers can automatically raise the surround levels (and make other dynamic changes such as boosting bass and even changing the EQ) as you lower the master volume. They do this because we hear things differently as the volume is lowered.

Yamaha doesn't have this feature, but if you tend to always watch movies at the same volume setting you don't need it --- just set everything up so it sounds correct at the actual volume you use, which probably means you want the surrounds set higher than your meter (or YPAO) say they should be.

On the speaker level slider, each key press should be 0.5db, as that's the smallest adjustment possible.

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1900?s
On the back of the 1900 I observe these connections. Preout Terminal F/C/Sr/Sb/Sw I'm assumming the 1900 can be used as a pre-amp?
Yes, the 1900 has pre-amp outputs and can be used with an external amp.

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Remote input/output I don't have a clue what this connection is used for maybe a IR blaster (remote reciever for second zone)?
If you have an IR extender in another room (or any device that can drive an IR emitter) you can hardwire it to the 1900 instead of using an IR emitter.

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Eventualley I'll have 7.1 speakers. since the 1900 does'nt have Pro logic IIz this could be a deal breaker.
The 1900 has Pro Logic IIx (PLIIx), which is good for a 7.1 system. PLIIz is for a 9.1 system with extra height speakers. No Yamahas have PLIIz. Some models support 9.1 (even up to 11.2), but using Yamaha's own technology and not PLIIz.
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post #5942 of 5991
1/31/13 at 7:15am
I read here ( a English site) that the 1900 dos'nt have Pro Logic IIx maybe it's the none US version of the 1900.

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Yamaha-RX-V1900-Receiver-Review.html

the Yamaha site under High Sound Quality does'nt list the 1900 as having Pro Logic IIx

maybe they list it under Surround Realism? anyway glad to know it has this feature.

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/rx/rx-v1900_black__u/?mode=model
My bad I did'nt know Pro Logic IIz was for 9.1 I do'nt forsee 9 speakers.

These Guy's have the 1900 as having Pro Logic IIz listed.
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-IEFT48mZV3S/p_022RXV1900/Yamaha-RX-V1900.html#details-tab

since the 1900 is not DLNA Certified doe's this mean I can't play windows 7 media center music files?

is Yamaha's Neural-THX differnt from the Gorge Lucas THX ceritifed recievers? I'm thinking it is because it's not printed on the front of the 1900.

Last ? for right now. can this flurecent (orange) display be changed to light blue?

Sorry to wear you out, I want to be though, the 1900 is still a possiablity.
Thanks STB
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post #5943 of 5991
1/31/13 at 10:01am
PLIIx and PLIIz look similar, but are two different things. That review says (correctly) that it doesn't have PLIIz. But it does have PLIIx, which turns stereo or 5.1 sources into 7.1. I use it all the time with my 1800.

The 1900 is not a network receiver (it can't be connected to a network), so to play network sources you need to add a media streamer. Even a basic media streamer will give you far more networking features than any receiver (e.g. it will play video as well as audio, and have a better user interface).

Neural THX is another surround decoder (similar to PLIIx). The 1900 is not a THX certified receiver, but that's not a negative.

The display is always orange. You can dim it, but it can't be changed to the blue colour that the new models use.
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post #5944 of 5991
2/2/13 at 4:59am
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

The 1900 is not a network receiver (it can't be connected to a network), so to play network sources you need to add a media streamer. Even a basic media streamer will give you far more networking features than any receiver (e.g. it will play video as well as audio, and have a better user interface).

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I'm thinking I don't really need a network reciever since I have my PC connected to AVR w/ HDMI cable and have a wireless connection to the net. for net radio, and other net related sources, I was confussed on playing windows media center music files directly from PC and being able to keep the TV turned off and choose the file though the 1900s front display.

last ?s on the 1900

1.how many crossover points are there on the 1900 my 465 only has one. I'm thinking just one.

2.is the volume displayed w/ large and small #s on the front of the 1900? my 465 displays large #s when adjusting volume in middle of the display and small volume #s as a constant in upper right corner.
I usalley never look at the small #s.

3. what is rs-232 connection used for (like a example) all I read is custom installation.

comment I'm thinking the 1900 mite be better for me than the RXA1000-1010 or 1020 since it's less expensive, more powerfull w/slitely cleaner power and I'm not paying for extra stuff I don't really need like
3D
more than 3 HDMI ports
net ready
most likely firmware upgrades in the furture
bad reviews on FM/HD reception
ect.
Thanks STB
Edited by stevethebrain - 2/2/13 at 5:23am
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post #5945 of 5991
2/2/13 at 6:32am
1. Yes, still just one crossover. It's not really a big limitation.

2. The numeric volume display is only small. When you change the volume a bar graph appears instead of a larger number. The graph is not useful.



3. You can control the 1900 (e.g. from a PC) via the RS-232 connection. There are actually more RS-232 codes than there are infrared codes. If you want to get really fancy (and spend more money for hardware and software), then you can get a box that sits on your network and converts network commands to RS-232. Then you can run a remote control App on your smart phone or tablet, and control the 1900 just like the new networked models.

I'm actually doing this with my 1800. It also solves the small volume problem because the receiver reports the current volume over RS-232 so that the App can display it right on your phone or tablet where you can easily see it.
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post #5946 of 5991
2/2/13 at 7:35am
graph looks acceptable to me.

I see a bunch of rs-232 codes here post 14
http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/mboard/rc-touch/thread.cgi?849

for controlling the 1900 w/ though a PC however I don't see much usefullness because my Harmony remote allready has all this control.

Please inlighten me on the benefits (and you'r plans) of rs-232 connection w/ PC.
I'm assumming you want to use a tablet or smart phone to control you'r whole sys. interfacing a PC to the 1800.

STB
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post #5947 of 5991
2/2/13 at 9:52am
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Originally Posted by byungjaykim View Post

The RX-V3900 has excellent reception of FM and AM. I am an AM DX'er. With a decent outdoor or indoor loop, I can DX IBOC (HD) AM signals very well with the RX-V3900. I also find that the FM reception is very good. However, most of my listening nowadays is done via the Internet Radio reception of the RX-V3900 (I'm a big fan of WFMT in Chicago and its reception over the FM band is spotty here in South Bend since there's an interfering rock station in Grand Rapids, MI that's on the same frequency).
Thanks for the WFMT info. Seems we have similar tastes. I have stored WFMT in the internet radio memory in my 3900. Some of the other internet stations I listen to are KWMU 90.7 St Louis, Classic FM, All Classical Portland and SheetmusicDB.net. I replaced my RX-V4600 with the RX-V3900 specifically because I read of the improved reception of the AM/FM tuner on the RX-V3900. I now find I listen to internet radio 90% of the time.
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post #5948 of 5991
2/2/13 at 10:05am
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...Please inlighten me on the benefits (and you'r plans) of rs-232 connection w/ PC. I'm assumming you want to use a tablet or smart phone to control you'r whole sys. interfacing a PC to the 1800.

There are things you can do with RS-232 you can't do with IR. e.g. there's a code to set any specific volume, so you could have one button to go straight to -25dB (or whatever your favourite volume levels are). RS-232 also allows you to read back any settings, so you can inquire what the current volume is, what the current audio track is, etc.

The PC is one way to send commands over RS-232, and there's a PC application called Receiver Manager that Yamaha wrote to give you full control of the receiver. But for whole system control from a smart phone you might want something that sits on your network and receives network commands, then converts them into either RS-232 or IR codes to send to your devices. You can buy these small converters and they use a lot less power than having a PC on all the time. You then need a remote control App to run on your phone/tablet, that knows how to communicate with this network to RS-232/IR converter.

There are quite a few options, but I'm using iRule as the remote App. For hardware to convert network commands to RS-232 or IR many people use these (link). I'm using something similar that I built myself.

The advantages of this type of control are:
o No line of sight needed, because you're using WiFi from the remote. So you can have your equipment behind you, or even in another room.
o The touch screen remote is completely customizable.
o RS-232 is two-way, so right on your remote you can see info from your receiver or Blu-ray player (e.g. how long has the movie been playing).

Of course, if you buy a newer receiver with network control built in, then you don't need the network to RS-232 converter.
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post #5949 of 5991
2/3/13 at 6:46am
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Originally Posted by byungjaykim View Post

The RX-V3900 has excellent reception of FM and AM. I am an AM DX'er. With a decent outdoor or indoor loop, I can DX IBOC (HD) AM signals very well with the RX-V3900. I also find that the FM reception is very good. However, most of my listening nowadays is done via the Internet Radio reception of the RX-V3900 (I'm a big fan of WFMT in Chicago and its reception over the FM band is spotty here in South Bend since there's an interfering rock station in Grand Rapids, MI that's on the same frequency).
off topic are you into great lakes fishing in you'r area? I'm in the market for a 1978-80 Starcraft MR21 center console. 21'mariner STB

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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

There are things you can do with RS-232 you can't do with IR. e.g. there's a code to set any specific volume, so you could have one button to go straight to -25dB (or whatever your favourite volume levels are). RS-232 also allows you to read back any settings, so you can inquire what the current volume is, what the current audio track is, etc.

The PC is one way to send commands over RS-232, and there's a PC application called Receiver Manager that Yamaha wrote to give you full control of the receiver. But for whole system control from a smart phone you might want something that sits on your network and receives network commands, then converts them into either RS-232 or IR codes to send to your devices. You can buy these small converters and they use a lot less power than having a PC on all the time. You then need a remote control App to run on your phone/tablet, that knows how to communicate with this network to RS-232/IR converter.

There are quite a few options, but I'm using iRule as the remote App. For hardware to convert network commands to RS-232 or IR many people use these (link). I'm using something similar that I built myself.

The advantages of this type of control are:
o No line of sight needed, because you're using WiFi from the remote. So you can have your equipment behind you, or even in another room.
o The touch screen remote is completely customizable.
o RS-232 is two-way, so right on your remote you can see info from your receiver or Blu-ray player (e.g. how long has the movie been playing).

Of course, if you buy a newer receiver with network control built in, then you don't need the network to RS-232 converter.
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Originally Posted by byungjaykim View Post

The RX-V3900 has excellent reception of FM and AM. I am an AM DX'er. With a decent outdoor or indoor loop, I can DX IBOC (HD) AM signals very well with the RX-V3900. I also find that the FM reception is very good. However, most of my listening nowadays is done via the Internet Radio reception of the RX-V3900 (I'm a big fan of WFMT in Chicago and its reception over the FM band is spotty here in South Bend since there's an interfering rock station in Grand Rapids, MI that's on the same frequency).
the rs-232 control sounds good exspecially no line of sight.
I'm thinking you'll need a 9 pin null modem cable and the converter (BTW at what cost) and a smart phone.

the power cord for the newer RXV models 2700 and the 1900 is the AC power cord the same as a regular PC cord? or doe's the cord have to be made by Yamaha?
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post #5950 of 5991
2/3/13 at 7:50am
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Originally Posted by stevethebrain View Post

I'm thinking you'll need a 9 pin null modem cable and the converter (BTW at what cost) and a smart phone.
Yes it's a null modem cable. The network to RS-232 converter starts at about $100, but it'll be more if you want to control multiple devices (check the link I gave you). The smart phone App could be $100 too (that's the Pro version of iRule which supports feedback from the receiver, it's $50 for one-way control). There are several other Apps that could be used, but I don't know the prices.

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the power cord for the newer RXV models 2700 and the 1900 is the AC power cord the same as a regular PC cord? or doe's the cord have to be made by Yamaha?
I'm using the original Yamaha cord, but it looks like a standard PC power cord to me.
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post #5951 of 5991
2/3/13 at 8:09am
would you happen to know the ratings of HDMI ports from the year model recievers
like I belive the 1900 has 1.3

the newer recievers that are 3d capable are 1.4

what HDMI level is the 465 and the 2700?

Thanks STB
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post #5952 of 5991
2/3/13 at 11:53am
The 1900 and 465 are HDMI 1.3 (which means no 3D).
The 2700 was 1.2 (so it can't decode Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD).

The first models with 3D support were the x67.
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post #5953 of 5991
2/8/13 at 12:15am
would this 867 w/ it's 90watt per channel be a down grade from my 465 w/ 105WPC

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/rx/rx-v867/

Frys has this 867 on sale for $250.
http://www.frys.com/product/6445532?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

do you know about how the volume is displayed on the 867?

what year model is the 867?

I kindof like the idea of having a Ipod dock builtin and the 867 front panel displays the playlist so the TV can be off when listening to Ipod will the 867 display a flash drive music file the same
as an ipod?
STB
Sorry kindof off 1900 topic.
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post #5954 of 5991
2/8/13 at 6:10am
The 867 is an upgrade from the 465. It definitely has more power, the 465 specs are completely misleading (more misleading than usual) and it doesn't have anywhere near 105 WPC. The 867 does have a volume overlay (that can't be turned off) and it can pass 3D. MSRP was $899, so $250 sounds like a good price. There are various x67 threads that you can read.

The x67 models are from 2010, x71 was 2011 and x73 was 2012. This year we'll see x75 (no idea what new features they might have).
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post #5955 of 5991
2/8/13 at 7:08am
I was kindof dissappointed when I read the response to my ? from the Tech. surport from my speaker manufactor (my ? was how much if any will a AVR upgrade from 465 to 1900 sound w/ my speakers)
response was

"At moderate listening volumes, I would not expect to hear much difference between these receivers…At louder volumes, you’ll hear a greater sense of authority and clarity with the RXV 1900.

so I think I'm going to redirect my efforts in a more (newer) feature packed AVR definitly a Yamaha just for fun I read a little about the Onkyo nr616 they sure made it appear apealing untill I read about real life bad reviews, then read about the Pioneer 1222 once again they made it appear apealing untill I read only a one year warrenty.

so Yamaha lied to me about the 465.

what is the WPC of the 867?

Hard to believe a 867 3 year old reciever is still sitting on a shelf unsold wonder why?



Thanks again for the surport STB
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post #5956 of 5991
2/14/13 at 11:36pm
Hi, I was hoping some one can help, I just installed the latest firmware for my 3900 and it seems to have caused more issues than it solved and hence I want to remove it.
I tried renaming the bin number from 1.16 to 1.20, but is just reloaded the same firmware again..

Thanks

Clinton
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post #5957 of 5991
2/15/13 at 5:47am
Are you saying that you have a copy of the old firmware (.bin file) that you want to reload via USB? If so, what happens when you try to load it (without changing the file name). Does it refuse because the version is older than the current version, or does it seem to go through the update process?

Older models that used the CD update method would reload any version, but I don't know about the USB method on the 3900.

BTW, what problems did it cause?
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post #5958 of 5991
2/15/13 at 6:53am
So you are saying that 1.20 is the latest firmware and it causes problems?
Could you elaborate a bit please?
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post #5959 of 5991
2/15/13 at 3:16pm
Okay sorry for the confusion.

My yamaha 3900 originally had firmware version 1.11. (Australian model) I recently upgraded the firmware to the latest version 1.16. Ever since I upgraded to version 1.16 I have had HDMI connection problems. I would like to revert back to version 1.11 firmware. Whats the best way. By the way I found on the web a copy of the 1.11 firmware update.

Regards

Clinton
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post #5960 of 5991
2/15/13 at 7:26pm
Version 1.18 is available on the US site (link)
You could try using that and see if it fixes your problem (it's OK that you have the Australian model).

If you have to go back to 1.11, I would just try reloading it from USB. Make sure the 1.11 .bin file is the only one on the memory stick. Or did you try already and it refused?
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post #5961 of 5991
2/15/13 at 8:36pm
Hello all,

I have Australian RX-V3900 also, for about 4 years at least. Recently upgraded to Epson TW6100 3D projector and found that only some discs will play. So researching whether I need to upgrade the receiver or not, lead me to find the firmware update 1.16 on the Yamaha site.

Now, here is my problem, using the detailed, step by step instructions on how to find the current version, that is, have it OFF, press & hold the "straight" button, press ON button, ADVANCED SETUP shows on the screen - yes, all OK until then.

Now, turn the Program selector counter-clockwise, yes, select VERSION = NO, I never see those words, no matter how much I turn the selector, which way I turn the selector, whether I keep pressing or release the Straight button, NEVER see the VERSION !!!

Where is it? What am I missing?

To follow on from that, I tried the USB and I never see the FIRMWARE UPDATE on the screen so no go there either. And then under troubleshooting, there is a procedure to hole the INFO button ? no such thing ? mine says Sleep ?

Any help appreciated, John in Brisbane

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post #5962 of 5991
2/15/13 at 9:37pm
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

Version 1.18 is available on the US site (link)
You could try using that and see if it fixes your problem (it's OK that you have the Australian model).

If you have to go back to 1.11, I would just try reloading it from USB. Make sure the 1.11 .bin file is the only one on the memory stick. Or did you try already and it refused?

Thanks I will give the 1.18 firmware a go.
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post #5963 of 5991
2/16/13 at 6:17am
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Originally Posted by The_Snowman View Post

...Now, here is my problem, using the detailed, step by step instructions on how to find the current version, that is, have it OFF, press & hold the "straight" button, press ON button, ADVANCED SETUP shows on the screen - yes, all OK until then.

Now, turn the Program selector counter-clockwise, yes, select VERSION = NO, I never see those words, no matter how much I turn the selector, which way I turn the selector, whether I keep pressing or release the Straight button, NEVER see the VERSION !!!

Where is it? What am I missing?

To follow on from that, I tried the USB and I never see the FIRMWARE UPDATE on the screen so no go there either. And then under troubleshooting, there is a procedure to hole the INFO button ? no such thing ? mine says Sleep ?

So you're saying RX-V3900 is marked on the front of the receiver, but the front panel buttons are not the same as shown in the 3900 manual (for one thing the INFO button is marked SLEEP)?

I've never heard of variations in the front panel. Is it possible it's not really a 3900? Are there other differences from the pictures in the manual?
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post #5964 of 5991
2/20/13 at 5:56pm
When using NO Subwoofer what is the correct configuration for low frequency output setting to other speakers as in my sig below

Page 88 of manual has a choice of 1,2,3 or 4

Thanks in advance
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post #5965 of 5991
2/20/13 at 6:27pm
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When using NO Subwoofer what is the correct configuration for low frequency output setting to other speakers as in my sig below. Page 88 of manual has a choice of 1,2,3 or 4

1-4 are not choices for you to pick, it's just explaining what happens when you pick one of the 3 choices for "Bass Out" (Front+SWFR, SWFR, Front). If you have a sub you would set Bass Out = SWFR, but since you don't you'll have to set Bass Out = Front.

Then your Front L/R speakers need to be set to Large (which may be automatic when Bass Out = Front). Your other speakers can be set to Small if the Fronts are more capable of playing low bass.
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post #5966 of 5991
2/21/13 at 1:57am
Thank you very much

Also updated the firmware to the 1.16
Edited by tyreman - 2/21/13 at 4:21am
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post #5967 of 5991
2/21/13 at 5:25am
Another question here...

On page 84 of the 3900 manual it shows about setting the Center Width and Dimension on the PLIIx Music


How does one do this from the remote or the receiver........... can't see those adjustments
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post #5968 of 5991
2/21/13 at 6:34am
I'm not sure where the parameter adjustment is in the menu, but it's in there somewhere (the 1800/1900 have a dedicated PARAMETER button on the remote, but the 3900 doesn't seem to).

It is worth playing with those parameters, to see what settings you prefer. I use PLIIx Music but I like it more with Center Width increased to 4 instead of the default 3.
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post #5969 of 5991
2/21/13 at 8:01am
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

I'm not sure where the parameter adjustment is in the menu, but it's in there somewhere (the 1800/1900 have a dedicated PARAMETER button on the remote, but the 3900 doesn't seem to).

It is worth playing with those parameters, to see what settings you prefer. I use PLIIx Music but I like it more with Center Width increased to 4 instead of the default 3.


I will dig around carefully..Thanks again
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post #5970 of 5991
2/21/13 at 9:38am
Found it

When in there you see bottom right sub menu then hit the remote button #10 labeled "Return", sub menu (above) and memory (below)

that opens up the settings for Decoder Parameters

In there is the PLIIx Music and Movies Panorama, Center Width and Dimension with other settings for additional surround parameters

Am mostly a PLIIx Music guy myself
Edited by tyreman - 2/21/13 at 12:26pm
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