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post #841 of 6030
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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

Don't get me wrong, I agree HDMI theoretically (and often in practice) looks the best and some day might fulfill the promise of an entire system with only one wire between each device ( for the few remaining years that we even use wires, that is) but the fact of the matter is that many people in many threads using many different brands are still, even several years after its release, having not one or two but rather multiple issues with HDMI.

Because it is so problematic and plagued with "buts" the professional video installation world has decided to stick with component as the primary HD video communication path and connects HDMI only secondarily with the proviso: "You might be lucky, we make no promises". I'm following their lead. To me HDMI is "plug and pray" technology whereas HD component pretty much works 100% of the time. For those of you with rock solid HDMI set ups, that's great, I envy you.

When people have problems with HDMI they should realize they aren't just one in a million, but rather they represent one of millions.

Great post and right on. Exactly as you stated I hooked everything up and hoped it all worked, and much to my enjoyment it did. However there was that moment when I thought "I hope this all works like it is suppose to" Back with component there was never that thought. If something didn't work I immediately thought "What did I hook up wrong?"
post #842 of 6030
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Originally Posted by brad639 View Post

Thanks for the reply, I have done just that as the manual says and still nothing. Putting the remote on source then going to tuner.

One thing I think it might be is the film ware update. But thats the other problem. Everytime I try to install it with a thumb drive in the USB port it says "device error" on the receiver. My unit has ver 1.2 and trying to update to 1.4. I think I will go get a new thumb drive.

I wouldn't go there just yet. 1) nobody has reported anything that has improved with 1.04, 2) I have at least one thing that is broken new under 1.04, 3) tuner operations should work--mine did--fine under 1.02.

Did you try your tuner operations from the front panel?

As noted, I did not see any problems like you describe under 1.02.
post #843 of 6030
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Originally Posted by markabuckley View Post

any discernable difference pre-amp wise 1900 vs 3900 ?

ps to my surprise I found both service manuals on Yamahas website last night - after a google search - not sure they were meant to be available to all - but was interesting reading - said for personnel use only



thanks, Mark.

The 3900 préamp has an additonnal low Jitter PLL circuit and a digital clock clock generator but it is hard to quantify the efficiency of a such system in real life.
post #844 of 6030
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Originally Posted by blackmax2k1 View Post

I've got a 1900 and I have a question about the display. I want the input to display on top and the audio decoding to be on the bottom. Best I can do it get either or. Any chance that you can have both?

No way to customize the display (short of a PC connected via RS-232, and even then it can only write to one line of the display).

Any reason why you want the input displayed? It shows the input when you select it, and it's not going to change until you select a different input.
post #845 of 6030
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

No way to customize the display (short of a PC connected via RS-232, and even then it can only write to one line of the display).

Any reason why you want the input displayed? It shows the input when you select it, and it's not going to change until you select a different input.

Pretty much every other receiver I've had, and I've had a lot list the input on top.
post #846 of 6030
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Originally Posted by Mach3 View Post

Hey Guys, I currently have a Denon 3805 with a Paradigm Monitor 7 speaker setup & my components are a Mot. 6412 cable box, Xbox, & a Denon 3910 dvd player. I looking to get a blu-ray player & thinking of upgrading my amp to mainly due to the 3805's lack of HDMI ports, the second zone video capability's & I'm maxed out my current video inputs on my 3805. Would the V3900 be a good match for my current gear along with my new Epson 1080ub pj & (most likely) Panasonic DMP-BD35 blu-ray player. I planing on running all the components into the V3900 the the main zone being the pj then a second video/audio feed to a near by room to run a old hitachi rptv so I don't kill the pj bulb too fast. Does anyone see any issue/problems with this setup?

Thanks in Advance
Steven

I've recently zapped my 3805 7.1 external input when one the analog connector came off my Panasonic BD-30 and contacted its case. While the Denon is in the shop, I bought the RXV-3900 as the AVR-3808 was uncompetitively priced in Australia.

In terms of connectivity, the Yamaha should work. What I was not counting on was the sound quality change that I am not entirely happy with. YMMV. My DVD-audio and SACD sound quality took a big hit as I now have to use the Yamaha's ext 7.1 analog input instead of the Denon-Link connection between the 3910 and the 3805 which gives me room equalization.

I have not been able to compare the amp section in the 3900 to the 3805 as I use external amps. The external amp was a upgrade over the 3805's internal amps.

When my 3805 returns, it will be back into my set-up. I'm not trying to troll. It took me a lot of time to get the RXV-3900 installed to drive a TV and a projector and the thought of pulling it apart and recabling it in my cabinet without the convenience of HDMI is filling me with dread.
LL
post #847 of 6030
1900/3900

and 1800/3800

much difference in pre-amp stage 1X vs 3X amps ?

thanks, Mark.
post #848 of 6030
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Originally Posted by blackmax2k1 View Post

Pretty much every other receiver I've had, and I've had a lot list the input on top.

Yes, but why do you need to see the input when you know what it is (you just selected it)?
post #849 of 6030
^In fact why even have a volume display at all for that matter. Why do you need to see a bar graph or number? Just use your ears.
post #850 of 6030
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Originally Posted by apw50 View Post

I've recently zapped my 3805 7.1 external input when one the analog connector came off my Panasonic BD-30 and contacted its case. While the Denon is in the shop, I bought the RXV-3900 as the AVR-3808 was uncompetitively priced in Australia.

In terms of connectivity, the Yamaha should work. What I was not counting on was the sound quality change that I am not entirely happy with. YMMV. My DVD-audio and SACD sound quality took a big hit as I now have to use the Yamaha's ext 7.1 analog input instead of the Denon-Link connection between the 3910 and the 3805 which gives me room equalization.

I have not been able to compare the amp section in the 3900 to the 3805 as I use external amps. The external amp was a upgrade over the 3805's internal amps.

When my 3805 returns, it will be back into my set-up. I'm not trying to troll. It took me a lot of time to get the RXV-3900 installed to drive a TV and a projector and the thought of pulling it apart and recabling it in my cabinet without the convenience of HDMI is filling me with dread.

I think your case is probably unusual. If you had a player with an HDMI output then you'd have no problem with DVD-A and SACD through the 3900. Analog is not the way to go.
post #851 of 6030
Does anyone know if the RX-V3900 can upscale analog component video signals to 1080i? Sorry if this has been addressed already, but I wasn't able to find it after a search.

I currently have an Onkyo TX-NR905 with the Reon. It is capable of upscaling a 480i/p analog component video signal (& other analog signals I assume) to 720p and 1080i over component, including copy protected DVDs. I've confirmed this through the use of my Oppo 980. I'm thinking of replacing my current receiver for various reasons and would really appreciate a receiver or pre/pro that can upscale analog 480i/p signals to analog 1080i because my HDTV is a rear projection with only component video inputs for high-definition. I have no intention of "upgrading" my HDTV until it basically dies, so until that happens Anchor Bay's HDMI up-conversion up-scaling to HDMI is of little value. BTW that's why I didn't get the Oppo 983 (its capabilities are significantly restricted over component compared to HDMI).
post #852 of 6030
1968 - I think Michael J Human addressed some of the upconvert stuff in a few of his post, you may want to run a search or go back to around page...15 or so.
post #853 of 6030
Curiousity question, and I know this will differ with various set-up, rooms, and so on.

Where do you put the crossover on your sub?
post #854 of 6030
You are correct that room and satellite speaker size come into play but one hopes that 80Hz and below will cover what the satellites can't reproduce. This is why Bose cubes and jewel cube speakers are too small. They can't play that low so the sub has to take over at an objectionably high frequency. Why objectionable? Because frequencies above 80Hz or so are (sometimes) directionally ascertainable to humans, whereas those below 80Hz, in music at least, are not. By keeping the sub at 80 or below one is free to place it anywhere in the room for smoothest response and no concern should be spent on keeping it in the front or midway between the front L and R as would be the case with a higher frequency xover setting.

80 Hz is also the THX standard.
post #855 of 6030
I want to see Dolby Digital, Dolby Pro Logic IIX, 7 CH Stereo, etc. Not "A. SEL: AUTO".
post #856 of 6030
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by blackmax2k1 View Post

I want to see Dolby Digital, Dolby Pro Logic IIX, 7 CH Stereo, etc. Not "A. SEL: AUTO".

Hit the 'Info' button on the remote ( numeric keypad.) You should see 'DSP PROG. INFO'. After a few seconds it will display what you want.
post #857 of 6030
I have a Samsung LN-T5281F, a DISH vip622 and the 3900.
I am having problems with 1080p from the DISH through the 3900.
If I connect the 622 directly to the 5281 1080p24 works fine.
If I connect the 622 through the 3900 to the 5281, I get error messages from the DISH box indicating that the DTV does not support the 1080p24 format. When I do get 1080p24 working by directly connecting the 622 to the 5281 and then add the 3900 into the chain, I intermittently get a picture followed by a screen of video noise and then a message indicating that the format is not supported (message generated by the DTV).
Has anyone had success with DISH 1080p VOD through the 3900? I have also sent a message to Yamaha support to see what they have to say.
post #858 of 6030
"HDMI works perfectly, except..."



[Sorry mmeyer4663, this wasn't meant as a dig at you, it's just that HDMI causes so many issues for so many and we were just talking about it before you arrived. If you switch to a component connection at least to the Yamaha you shouldn't have any problems, and yes, the picture might suffer slightly.]
post #859 of 6030
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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

"HDMI works perfectly, except..."


".... with DISH." ?????

post #860 of 6030
^I amended my post with more detail.

Good luck and let us know how Yamaha responds. Many of us are curious what they'll say.

My prediction? No response at all, a non-responsive answer that avoids the actual issue, or finger pointing at the other electronics even though they all seem to work together just fine without the Yamaha in place. Let's see how good my ESP is.
post #861 of 6030
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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

"HDMI works perfectly, except..."



[Sorry mmeyer4663, this wasn't meant as a dig at you, it's just that HDMI causes so many issues for so many and we were just talking about it before you arrived. If you switch to a component connection at least to the Yamaha you shouldn't have any problems, and yes, the picture might suffer slightly.]

I found an alternative setup, just for 1080p24 VOD titles.
I have easy access to HDMI connections and can easily switch the connection from the 622 to the 5281, bypassing the 3900. As I am using TOSlink from the 622 to the 3900, I can still use the 3900 for the audio. Nice thing is, I have not noticed any lip sync issues (thank goodness!) with this "special" configuration. Kinda bush league, but it works.
post #862 of 6030
First off thanks to apw50 for the info but I'm surprise that you think that the 3805 sound better 3900 but did you have you ext. amp connected to both your amps or just 3805 as I think that could be the difference. Also I don't have alot of SACD & DVD-Audio disc's so that not a big issue for me.

Having going down to my local dealer today & placing a order for a V3900 & a BD35 I'm now having second thoughts on the amp. Lucky for me their not open again till tuesday so I have two days if I decided to change to something else. After looking more closely at the manual it looks like the Zone 2 video out is limited to composite which is less then ideal. My question is can I just use the second hdmi or the component outputs to run for video to my zone 2 room (using the primary hdmi for my pj) then use only the speakers hooked up to the zone 2 output. Basically can I output my hd-pvr which comes in on component for video/coaxial for audio then output it's video to zone 1 out while having the sound only coming out of the zone 2 audio speaker posts. I will never be running them both zone at the same time so I think that it should work be I'm wondering if anyone done this before.

Sorry for all the questions & thanks for the help with my new setup
post #863 of 6030
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

I think your case is probably unusual. If you had a player with an HDMI output then you'd have no problem with DVD-A and SACD through the 3900. Analog is not the way to go.

His player is a Blu-Ray player. Do any Blu-Ray players support DVD-A and/or SACD at their best capabilities over HDMI? or over anything else? (The next OPPO might...)
post #864 of 6030
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Originally Posted by FrostyMelon View Post

brad - I would hook it up to network and do it that way. Very easy to do, and goes quickly.

m.zillch - I agree. It's very flaky, or can be. What can work for one set-up may not for the other and it can be frustrating.

Thanks Frosty, I had a friend come over and we finally got the upgrade to work but I still have no tuner. Very frustrating! This is my third yamaha receiver and guess I got a defected one. Everything else on it works but that. Guess thats a chance you take buying on line since returning it is not easy.
post #865 of 6030
brad - that sux. I hope you get it worked out.
post #866 of 6030
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Originally Posted by Mach3 View Post

First off thanks to apw50 for the info but I'm surprise that you think that the 3805 sound better 3900 but did you have you ext. amp connected to both your amps or just 3805 as I think that could be the difference. Also I don't have alot of SACD & DVD-Audio disc's so that not a big issue for me.

Having going down to my local dealer today & placing a order for a V3900 & a BD35 I'm now having second thoughts on the amp. Lucky for me their not open again till tuesday so I have two days if I decided to change to something else. After looking more closely at the manual it looks like the Zone 2 video out is limited to composite which is less then ideal. My question is can I just use the second hdmi or the component outputs to run for video to my zone 2 room (using the primary hdmi for my pj) then use only the speakers hooked up to the zone 2 output. Basically can I output my hd-pvr which comes in on component for video/coaxial for audio then output it's video to zone 1 out while having the sound only coming out of the zone 2 audio speaker posts. I will never be running them both zone at the same time so I think that it should work be I'm wondering if anyone done this before.

Sorry for all the questions & thanks for the help with my new setup

The 3900 is connected to the same (Elektra Theatron 7) amp as my 3805 was. The sound quality between the 3805 and the 3900 are very different. The 3805 tending to be mellow and the 3900 to be hard-edged. It's a case of which you preferred. For me, I was in audio nirvana with the 3805/3910 combination for SACD and DVD-audio and find it difficult to give that up for the new features in the 3900.

I've considered going the HDMI route for SACD and DVD-audio but this interface does not work as seamlessly as the Denon-Link. When I am playing a CD using the HDMI connection on my HD-XE1 ( HD-XA2 US equivalent), turning on my TV will cause the audio to mute for a few seconds while the 3900 handshakes with the TV. For what purpose I'm not sure.

Yes, the 3900's zone-2 video is limited to composite. Others may wish to chime in but I do not believe that receivers in this price class do any better than this. You can certainly use the component output and the second HDMI to drive the display in your second room... so long as you set the main-zone source to the same zone-2 source.
post #867 of 6030
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Originally Posted by brad639 View Post

. It seems the tuner is totaly not working.

Is it possible the center metal pin on the F connection of the antenna you are using is:

- absent/snapped off accidentally
- mushed down or bent off to the side
- not long enough to make contact with the inner center receptacle (unbend a paper clip and stick it in the receiver to verify the two center gold-plated anchor plates are gripping the pin appropriately. There should be plenty of friction to keep the paper clip from falling out and it may work as an alternate antenna too!)

?

Also computers, fans, CD/DVD drives and outboard players even when not playing, motors, hard drives, cable boxes and sat boxes with hard drives, etc can generate enough RF interference such that the tuner is so overwhelmed it seems dead. Turn all of them off perhaps and retry.

Good luck.
post #868 of 6030
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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

Is it possible the center metal pin on the F connection of the antenna you are using is:

- absent/snapped off accidentally
- mushed down or bent off to the side
- not long enough to make contact with the inner center receptacle (unbend a paper clip and stick it in the receiver to verify the two center gold-plated anchor plates are gripping the pin appropriately. There should be plenty of friction to keep the paper clip from falling out and it may work as an alternate antenna too!)

?

Also computers, fans, CD/DVD drives and outboard players even when not playing, motors, hard drives, cable boxes and sat boxes with hard drives, etc can generate enough RF interference such that the tuner is so overwhelmed it seems dead. Turn all of them off perhaps and retry.

Good luck.

Thanks for the idea. I checked the pin/connector and it is fine, paperclip was snug too. With the paperclip in I still get nothing from any of the tuner controls. I'm thinking the tuner did not get hooked up (crazy as that sounds). I e-mailed the place I purchased and have no reply yet. There is a yamaha service center 30 miles away so that is an option. Just won't be fun waiting for the repair.

Also, I can hear low ticking sound coming from the speakers when I go to the tuner input. Not sure what that means.

Thanks
post #869 of 6030
Brad, OK thought of one more thing. Are all the tuner related buttons on the front panel (mono/stereo, manual, preset up/down, bank a/b/c/d/e , memory, tuning mode, etc) nice and clicky? or might one of them be bashed or wedged in constantly?

I assume selecting tuner via remote is just as bad as from the front panel.

See if maybe a master restore reboot of the micro processor resuscitates the thing. No I don't know how to do that but I'm betting someone else here does. On some brands yanking the power cord out, waiting a few minutes, and then holding in the power button simultaneously while restoring the AC power will do the trick.

Let us know how it turns out.

edit: Master reset is on page 138 of owner's manual
post #870 of 6030
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Originally Posted by apw50 View Post

The 3900 is connected to the same (Elektra Theatron 7) amp as my 3805 was. The sound quality between the 3805 and the 3900 are very different. The 3805 tending to be mellow and the 3900 to be hard-edged. It's a case of which you preferred. For me, I was in audio nirvana with the 3805/3910 combination for SACD and DVD-audio and find it difficult to give that up for the new features in the 3900.

I've considered going the HDMI route for SACD and DVD-audio but this interface does not work as seamlessly as the Denon-Link. When I am playing a CD using the HDMI connection on my HD-XE1 ( HD-XA2 US equivalent), turning on my TV will cause the audio to mute for a few seconds while the 3900 handshakes with the TV. For what purpose I'm not sure.

Yes, the 3900's zone-2 video is limited to composite. Others may wish to chime in but I do not believe that receivers in this price class do any better than this. You can certainly use the component output and the second HDMI to drive the display in your second room... so long as you set the main-zone source to the same zone-2 source.

Thanks again APW50, has anyone else got any opinions on my setup
I did find that the Pioneer Elite SC07 does have the component out for the zone 2 video but at the price I getting the yahama at it would be around 500 more for the Pioneer. Now the Pioneer as the better amp but doesn't do anything in the video processing. I guess I just have to decide how much I'm willing to pay. Plus I could always sell the yahama if I really don't like it.
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