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post #1591 of 7056
I hooked up the new BD-P2550 we received for Christmas yesterday. I was a little worried at first because there was a white envelope taped to the "outside" of the box that contained the NFL blu-ray disc and a firmware update disc. It initially looked like the box may have been opened previously but it was not. I inspected the build date and found it to be 2008.07 which I thought to seem old given a December purchase. This poor thing was the last box a week ago at my Best Buy and it appears nobody else wanted it.

I removed the Oppo 970 from my setup and replaced it with the 2550. I used the same connections. HDMI, toslink, and added the ethernet cable from a router in the next room. I also installed a short USB extension cable for easy access to use USB if necessary.

Once powered up, I went into Setup and discovered my firmware was old - 080704.01 (No Netflix or Pandora icons) . I started the update process via the ethernet connection. It took about 25 minutes to download the new file (while I reviewed the user guide). Once downloaded it went into update mode and that took about 7-8 minutes until completion and power down. Powered back up and I was at 081126.31 . I purposely avoided burning the firmware update on CD or a usb device based upon some reports here of problems. It was slower to update via the direct connection but gave me time to get aquainted with the manual.

Activating Netflix and Pandora via the player and web was simple. I already had a Pandora account and my content was there as expected. The audio is only 2ch as I understand it but it sounds fine. I'm now in the process of adding to my instant queue on Netflix and I've started watching the first episode of 30 Rock. I'm pretty pleased with the quality. My internet connection is Verizon DSL and I get a mere 3.0 if I'm lucky but I was able to get 8 of 10 bars and HD content. FiOS will be here within a couple months so I'll have to deal with some speed issues until then for sure.

Onto blu-ray. The system is my first HD setup and about 4 years old. Display is a 34" Tosh 34HFX84 CRT and my avr is an Onkyo 520 htib. Speakers are 6.1 Athena based with the C1 and B2's up front. I'm hoping to add an HDMI avr in the next six months. If I were to get one today it would be the Pio 1018. For now I cannot experience any of the HD codecs but I'll live with 5.1 DD and DTS.

I don't own any blu-ray discs but was able to change over Netflix and get some here for Christmas. Kung Fu Panda, Little Man, & The Last Samurai. (Not quite sure how Little Man got in there?) We watched KFP last night and I could immediately see the difference in quality over my Oppo 970HD. We also watched Little Man. While better than DVD certainly not anything near reference. It was good for a few laughs. Tonight we will watch Last Samarai. I'd have to say that the discs we watched have no real BD Live content to speak of. I'll need to find a list of titles some where that offer the best BD Live content. Any pointers?

Overall I'm very pleased. No issues with player skips or hiccups. I'm getting used to the remote and functionality. My one mini rant is setting up the 2550 with my Harmony 880. I would have thought by now the 2550 would be in Harmony's database but there was no match. I even tried adding it as a 1500/2500, and using bd-p and bdp- (they even give this example) and there was no direct match. I finally got it set up manually but it needs more work. I'll check the Logitech forum as that appears the only avenue. No phone support after 6 months! Only email and the support forum. What a joke! Enough of that rant.
post #1592 of 7056
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

Because most TV doesn't support 24fps signal at all. Turn on 24fps requires a confirmation to see if your TV can display the signal.



According to this thread http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=997138: yes, you can turn it on but you have to turn off Auto Motion Plus.



Because not everyone loves edge enchanced video. Some ppl thinks as poor PQ.



Because you also lose picture details.

Thanks bud. That makes sense. Much appreciated.

Should I turn 24fps off if I am watching a standard DVD then? Am I safe in assuming that a standard DVD is not 24fps?
post #1593 of 7056
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Originally Posted by wobbegong View Post

The BD-P2550 will definitely bitstream DTS-MA (page 36 of the manual says "You can enjoy DTS-HD Master Audio sound if you have HDMI 1.3 receiver which has DTSHD Master Audio decoding capability."). The question is whether the 12/31 update (or any subsequent update) can make the player decode DTS-MA to the 7.1 analog outputs.

Ah. Damn. That's right. Sorry for the confusion. I only use analog out and tend to not think about bit streaming. Sorry.
post #1594 of 7056
Hi All,

Thanks for all your tips as I'm pretty much all set with my 2500.

One question regarding Netflix: Am I supposed to see an HD logo or symbol when loading an HD movie? I see the quality bars(and I'm two from the top), but no HD logo.

I've seen a few screenshots of the HD logo next to the quality bar, but I'm not sure if that is for a different system(Tivo, Xbox, etc).

When I speed test, I'm getting upwards of 22564 upload(22.5 Mb/s).

Thanks in advance
post #1595 of 7056
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Originally Posted by BamBamF16 View Post

Your receiver isn't "decoding" anything on analogs, typically. And if it does anything in the digital arena it must do a analog to digitial to perform operations and then a digital to analog to amplifiy it.

So, one thing to make sure is you are selecting the correct audio track from the disc menu. Right now, TrueHD and MPCM tracks can be internally decoded and sent via analog as 5.1 to 7.1. DTS MA is not internallly decoded yet, so all you would get is 2.0 if you used that type of disc and selected DTS-MA. In that case you would need to use an optical/coaxial cable and use the bitstream re-encode to get 5.1 sound (but it would be lossy) from DTS-MA. (that last bit assumes you don't have a receiver that can decode hi-res formats as if you did, you probably wouldn't be using the analog outs).

Jeff

Many thanks Jeff.

I chose the bitstream re-encode in the set-up menu and am now getting 5.1.

I think it's about time I upgraded my receiver.

Thanks again.

-Sky
post #1596 of 7056
I got a BD-P2550 about 2 weeks ago. I started using it in earnest a few days ago, mostly doing Netflix streaming and Pandora. We've also watched a few regular DVDs. I have a Harman Kardon AVS 146 receiver and a Samsung 46" LCD that's about a year old (I don't recall the model). I'm using a Linksys WRT54G router I had laying around using the dd-wrt firmware to act as a wireless bridge. I'm hoping the next generation will have built-in wireless.

I have noticed that the screen flickers a lot. It will flash white, and after about 10 minutes of this the TV will go to a blue screen as if there's no device connected, then go back to the player image. The frequency of this increases with time. It does this when playing Netflix, Pandora, or DVD.

The underside of the player can get hot to the touch after being on for about 10-15 minutes. Specifically the hot area is directly inline with the HDMI connector, about 2" towards the front in the low rectangular indentation in the metal. The fan does run all the time but that area always stays hot to the touch. That doesn't seem right to me, and this may be related to the flickering

I'm thinking I should take it back to Best Buy and exchange it for another 2550.
post #1597 of 7056
Quote:
Originally Posted by georgemoe View Post

I hooked up the new BD-P2550 we received for Christmas yesterday. I was a little worried at first because there was a white envelope taped to the "outside" of the box that contained the NFL blu-ray disc and a firmware update disc. It initially looked like the box may have been opened previously but it was not. I inspected the build date and found it to be 2008.07 which I thought to seem old given a December purchase. This poor thing was the last box a week ago at my Best Buy and it appears nobody else wanted it.

I removed the Oppo 970 from my setup and replaced it with the 2550. I used the same connections. HDMI, toslink, and added the ethernet cable from a router in the next room. I also installed a short USB extension cable for easy access to use USB if necessary.

Once powered up, I went into Setup and discovered my firmware was old - 080704.01 (No Netflix or Pandora icons) . I started the update process via the ethernet connection. It took about 25 minutes to download the new file (while I reviewed the user guide). Once downloaded it went into update mode and that took about 7-8 minutes until completion and power down. Powered back up and I was at 081126.31 . I purposely avoided burning the firmware update on CD or a usb device based upon some reports here of problems. It was slower to update via the direct connection but gave me time to get aquainted with the manual.

Activating Netflix and Pandora via the player and web was simple. I already had a Pandora account and my content was there as expected. The audio is only 2ch as I understand it but it sounds fine. I'm now in the process of adding to my instant queue on Netflix and I've started watching the first episode of 30 Rock. I'm pretty pleased with the quality. My internet connection is Verizon DSL and I get a mere 3.0 if I'm lucky but I was able to get 8 of 10 bars and HD content. FiOS will be here within a couple months so I'll have to deal with some speed issues until then for sure.

Onto blu-ray. The system is my first HD setup and about 4 years old. Display is a 34" Tosh 34HFX84 CRT and my avr is an Onkyo 520 htib. Speakers are 6.1 Athena based with the C1 and B2's up front. I'm hoping to add an HDMI avr in the next six months. If I were to get one today it would be the Pio 1018. For now I cannot experience any of the HD codecs but I'll live with 5.1 DD and DTS.

I don't own any blu-ray discs but was able to change over Netflix and get some here for Christmas. Kung Fu Panda, Little Man, & The Last Samurai. (Not quite sure how Little Man got in there?) We watched KFP last night and I could immediately see the difference in quality over my Oppo 970HD. We also watched Little Man. While better than DVD certainly not anything near reference. It was good for a few laughs. Tonight we will watch Last Samarai. I'd have to say that the discs we watched have no real BD Live content to speak of. I'll need to find a list of titles some where that offer the best BD Live content. Any pointers?

Overall I'm very pleased. No issues with player skips or hiccups. I'm getting used to the remote and functionality. My one mini rant is setting up the 2550 with my Harmony 880. I would have thought by now the 2550 would be in Harmony's database but there was no match. I even tried adding it as a 1500/2500, and using bd-p and bdp- (they even give this example) and there was no direct match. I finally got it set up manually but it needs more work. I'll check the Logitech forum as that appears the only avenue. No phone support after 6 months! Only email and the support forum. What a joke! Enough of that rant.

I am using Harmony 890 and 720 remotes to control two separate Samung BD-P2550 players. The remote was in the database that I had access to. I am still able to get phone support from Harmony but I may have been grandfathered in as I purchased all of my remotes a while back. I just noticed their new 6 month rule when I was on their website a few days ago. I did not ask them about the 6 month rule the other day as I did not want to mess up a good thing so to speak. (I had trouble with my 890 that they resolved.) I would call them and ask for help but first I would would double check to make sure that you entered the remote information correctly. I hope this helps.
post #1598 of 7056
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Originally Posted by xSentinel View Post

Thanks bud. That makes sense. Much appreciated.

Should I turn 24fps off if I am watching a standard DVD then? Am I safe in assuming that a standard DVD is not 24fps?

You shouldn't have to do that. The player is smart enough to play at the correct frame rate based on the contents of the disc. If 24 is available and you have it enabled, that's what it should show. If it's 60, then that's what it should do as well. Haven't had a problem leaving it on 24/7 yet.

--Steve
post #1599 of 7056
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Originally Posted by skyjuice View Post

Hi All,

Thanks for all your tips as I'm pretty much all set with my 2500.

One question regarding Netflix: Am I supposed to see an HD logo or symbol when loading an HD movie? I see the quality bars(and I'm two from the top), but no HD logo.

I've seen a few screenshots of the HD logo next to the quality bar, but I'm not sure if that is for a different system(Tivo, Xbox, etc).

When I speed test, I'm getting upwards of 22564 upload(22.5 Mb/s).

Thanks in advance

Yea if you select an HD movie (The Thing, Pans Labyrinth) you will see a little HD logo appear.

The same goes if you are streaming to your 360 as well. I have both and actually think the picture quality is slightly better on the bd-p2550 than my 360.

I just wish they'd add more HD titles. To find the HD movies go to your Watch Instantly tab, Genres, HD
post #1600 of 7056
So, I had my 2550 up and working fine a few days ago - did a FW uprade via USB, and all was well - pandora, netflix all working beautifully.

This morning, I wanted to listen to some music, and found that my player seems to be stuck on LOAD. I can open and close the drawer, and have inserted a variety of discs, all to no avail. When the drawer closes, it reads CLOSE. Can't access menus. Tried the right arrow reset per Samsung tech support, to no avail - no response. I unplugged the unit etc.

Samsung is telling me I have to bring it to them for service which can take 7-14 business days. No thanks if I can help it.

Anyone have any ideas???
post #1601 of 7056
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Originally Posted by HateNewNHL View Post

You mention that Roadrunner cant take static IPs. This leads me to think that you are NOT running some sort of router in your setup and are expecting the cable modem to service two different (or more) IP addresses.

While it is possible to get mult IP from a cable service, it is very rare that you have that setup. That is moreso used by business clients. 99% of the way home users handle mult IP traffic on cable internet is with a router that serves up DCHP. DCHP is the default that your PC's ethernet port will be configured as under Windows XP/Vista.

A router will have an uplink or WAN port that connects to the cable modem. Then your PCs will connect into one of 4 (or 8) typical ports on the router. As long as your PCs are set to DCHP (which is default) the PCs work. Your internet over power adapter would just plug into another port on the router.

Thanks for the follow up. I have a wireless router to which is plugged a sling link. (this is how I use my slingbox to access it from my phone). It works fine. I have another slinklink (power adaptor ethernet extender) plugged in and connected to the 2550. However, it won't connect to the internet.

This connection used to work fine plugged into my HD20 Receiver from DirecTV. However, it won't connect now either. It must have something to do with my Roadrunner ISP. I'm trying to see if anyone using Roadrunner has been able to connect.
post #1602 of 7056
Can anybody comment on a comparision of the upconversion capabilities of the Tosh A30 vs 2500?

Thanks
post #1603 of 7056
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Originally Posted by jessegun23 View Post

Yea if you select an HD movie (The Thing, Pans Labyrinth) you will see a little HD logo appear.

During buffering, the HD logo will only appear if you are actually watching the HD version. Just because something is available in HD (as indicated by the HD logo on the non-playback screens) doesn't mean you are going to get it in HD because you need enough bandwidth to support the HD stream.
post #1604 of 7056
So I put in Batman the Dark knight Blue Ray today and I selected Bitstream ( re-encode ) since I'm using Optical out right now to my Pioneer Elite. Funny thing is this movie is a Dolby True HD or Dolby DD which is what I expected to get out of my optical connection, but instead my Pioneer is reading DTS neo 6 or DTS depending on what I set the receiver to???? anyone know why I would be getting DTS on my receiver when this disc doesn't have any DTS recording???
post #1605 of 7056
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Originally Posted by smallhometheater View Post

So I put in Batman the Dark knight Blue Ray today and I selected Bitstream ( re-encode ) since I'm using Optical out right now to my Pioneer Elite. Funny thing is this movie is a Dolby True HD or Dolby DD which is what I expected to get out of my optical connection, but instead my Pioneer is reading DTS neo 6 or DTS depending on what I set the receiver to???? anyone know why I would be getting DTS on my receiver when this disc doesn't have any DTS recording???

That's because you put it to re-encode the source into a DTS bitstream. By definition the Bitstream (re-encode) according to the manual if you read it:

Quote:


Decodes Primary, Secondary and Effect audio streams together into PCM audio, then re-encodes the PCM audio into DTS bitstream.

Likely if you put the setting to Bitstream (audiophile) you'll get the Dolby Digital version. Obviously you'll need HDMI in order to get the DD TrueHD.
post #1606 of 7056
thank you. that will teach me not to read the manual..
post #1607 of 7056
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Originally Posted by curtishd View Post

Simple question (I hope): For the analog audio outs, do I have to make any changes in the player menu to get the lossless audio through them?

There is nothing to set for Multichannel Analog audio out. You are getting lossless audio since the decoder on the BD is doing all the work. Just make sure you have your receiver (in multichannel out) not doing anymore post processing on the audio. In my case, I can select 2 options: My receiver can do multichannel source direct, which is what you should ideally want, or it can do multichannel tone on, which adds post-processing to the analog audio.
post #1608 of 7056
It was suggested that I post here instead of a stand alone thread.

Need help here. Just purchased my brand new Samsung 2550 from Best Buy to replace my combo hd-dvd/blu-ray player. The picture is absolutely beautiful when working. However, there is a terrible flicker problem with the picture. It occurs every 15 seconds or so and sometimes the screen will blank out all together. I have it hooked to my Sony vw100 projector via a monoprice hdmi switch.

My first thought is maybe a hdcp handshake issue, but there were no previous other problems before and I have switched the input of it from all 5 spots on the switch.

My next thought was power as it appears as if the power is twitching on and off, but it is hooked to an apc power plant that maintains constant power and the unit itself is not flickering by power nor is the sound impacted - just the picture.

I did do the cd firmware upgrade that came with it and the firmware upgrade via my internet connection. Neither solved the problem

Does it sound like I have a defective one?

Any suggestions?
post #1609 of 7056
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Originally Posted by skyjuice View Post

I think I may have solved it. I connected an optical cable to my receiver. I'm not getting from all speakers. I need to test further, but I think the issue is that many DVD's are set up for DTS or Dolby Digital output. I think that these can only be decoded on my receiver via an optical or coaxial digital cable rather than the 5.1 analog inputs.

Guys, by now it should be obvious, a HDMI receiver (with all the works) should be your next upgrade. However, in the meantime, this is how I deal with this multichannel analog hookup and still get both worlds.

The main problem here is selecting post-processing options you want for all your content whether it's 2-channel SD stuff and/or the latest audio formats.

1. You should have 2 paths to your receiver: BOTH multichannel analog audio inputs and a digital connection. Assign them to 2 separate inputs on your receiver.

2. On the Samsung BD, I set it to "bitstream(audiophile)" NOT the re-encode option like most people here do. The reason is that my receiver has "Dolby Prologic IIx" post-processing which is what I use for all 2 channel content that I get from either Netflix streaming or any SD DVDs with only 2-channel audio- some content only have Dolby Digital 2.0. This setup gives me the option to watch the "old" stuff in multi-channel surround sound.

3. In the multichannel input setting on your receiver, make sure you select "source direct" if your receiver has this option. In most cases, it may already be assumed.

4. Save up for that upgrade.

I don't see how the "re-encode" setting benefits my situation since I have experimented with the "re-encoded" stream and my AV receiver does not respond well to that DTS re-encoded stream (my receiver cannot recognize it as DTS 2.0 for the 2 channel stuff) to provide me with Prologic IIx surround sound, particularly 2 channel audio formats.
post #1610 of 7056
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Originally Posted by danfoley View Post

Ok, i've read thru this whole forum, and searched all over.. and i cannot find a good answer.

While it seems most people here do not want audio compression. I do want it. I want it to actually work. It seems to me no matter what compression settings i enable i don't really here a noticeable effect.

I want to be able to watch a movie at night with a good consistent level that lets me hear the dialog and the loud parts don't get super load. (along the lines of watching hd-tv).

So i have turned on the audio compression settings on the blu ray player... nothing. Turned my audio compression on my receiver to max, and listen via the receiver. Tried the audio settings on my tv to max, and listen via the tv.

Doesn't matter what i do. I'm having to turn up the volume to hear the dialog and turn way down when the truck explodes

Here is my current hookup:

I have the blu-ray player hooked up to the receiver via optical.
The reciever is an old sony that can decode dts, so i have the audio settings on the blu ray player to re-encode audio to dts.
The blu ray player is hooked up to the tv via component video and L/R audio.

Is there some stand alone product that can i put inbetween everything to really level out the sound? Or am i stuck adjusting the volume forever.

I asked this a few posts previously and I didn't get a reply. But, we're both in the same boat. In my case, I turned dynamic compression ON, and it worked well. However, you must still modify your center channel level up maybe 4 clicks or so. It really depends on your receiver setup. Make sure you turn off similar features on your receiver. On my Onkyo, it has Cinefilter which pretty much does the same but works only on DD material on my receiver...

If you see my previous posting, I asked if it was better to do it on the BD player side or on the receiver side. I have not experimented on the receiver side yet.... perhap when I have the time.

When you turn Dynamic Audio compression ON in the BD player, you will have to pre-determine the set volume you will listen to most of the time, re-configure your subwoofer levels and all the other speaker levels again. It sucks...
post #1611 of 7056
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Originally Posted by Josuah View Post

During buffering, the HD logo will only appear if you are actually watching the HD version. Just because something is available in HD (as indicated by the HD logo on the non-playback screens) doesn't mean you are going to get it in HD because you need enough bandwidth to support the HD stream.

Thanks for the reply(and Jessegun above).

I'm at a loss as to why I'm not receiving HD quality as my cable modem is giving me speeds between 16-22Mbs.

I have my 2500 linked to a wired router. Same router that I get the above speed on mac.

Do I have to adjust any settings in the network setup menu to ensure that my player is receiving the most bandwidth?
post #1612 of 7056
Im a little confused as well. When i go under the HD genre and select a movie to instant watch I get the 4 circles for quality. i always get 4 circles and the quality seems very good. I have not seen anything as far as HD logo on any of my selected movies out of the HD Genre. is there a setting I'm missing as well. where are these bars everyone is talking about? I should add that when i do stream an hd movie I get it in widescreen format and i'm getting digital sound with my receiver showing DDpl2x as auto surround
post #1613 of 7056
Toshiba HD A2 shares a similar Reon processor used in the 2500/2550 according to this article:

http://home.nestor.minsk.by/computer...7/01/0302.html
post #1614 of 7056
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Originally Posted by work4mike View Post

Did you find the sound quality of your analog multichannel out better on your receiver? If I may ask, what receiver model do you have?

If you read a previous posting of mine, I didn't find the analog multichannel out giving better sound quality. Maybe it is just my receiver.

I thought I'd post this observation in case someone may come across similar experiences.

Sometime ago, I posted some initial investigations on comparing sound quality from multichannel analog vs digital out from the BD-P2500 when playing an exact same blu-ray disc. I am setup to do both A-B comparisons with a simple switch of inputs on my receiver. Both outputs (multi and optical) of my player are connected to separate inputs of my receiver. I set Dynamic Audio compression to OFF, and bitstream(audiophile) ON. Also, in my case I have to dial up the volume in multichannel input mode to compare at the bitstream input mode on my receiver. I use a digital sound meter to calibrate same listening levels when I am switching inputs.

I am convinced that there is some loss of dynamic audio range when using multichannel analog out. It's hard to explain but this is how I did it. I am using "Eagle Eye" which has TrueHD 5.1 when listening via multichannel out and DD 5.1 when I switch to my bitstream input. The theory is that in multichannel mode, one should hear BETTER quality sound.

I repeatedly played a spot on the blu-ray disc "Eagle Eye", chapter 03/25 position 15:58, right after the boy says bye to his dad. On your surround speakers, you should clearly hear the subtle hissing sound of hydraulic doors opening/or closing. For the given listening level in bitstream input, I can hear this detail but when switched to multichannel input, this detail is lost. In fact, I can only hear this detail when I dial UP the volume levels like 8x from the comparison level to hear it on my back surrounds in multichannel input.

Nevertheless, perhaps it is my receiver that may be poor quality in the analog side, but I did hear the difference when in switching inputs.

Just sharing my experiments....
post #1615 of 7056
After watching Dark Knight I have to say i was not very impressed with the sound quality from my optical out set up. I have watched many other regular DVD's with 5.1 set up that had much more surround sound presence. I'm thinking that perhaps i have something set up wrong or it was just the way the movie was shot, but I swear I barely could hear anything coming from those speakers.... Anyone else with a similar experience? I can't wait to upgrade my receiver to get the new Codecs
post #1616 of 7056
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Originally Posted by nrighton View Post

Toshiba HD A2 shares a similar Reon processor used in the 2500/2550 according to this article:

http://home.nestor.minsk.by/computer...7/01/0302.html

I think you mean the Toshiba XA2. The A2 doesn't have the reon processor.
post #1617 of 7056
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Originally Posted by smallhometheater View Post

Im a little confused as well. When i go under the HD genre and select a movie to instant watch I get the 4 circles for quality. i always get 4 circles and the quality seems very good. I have not seen anything as far as HD logo on any of my selected movies out of the HD Genre. is there a setting I'm missing as well. where are these bars everyone is talking about? I should add that when i do stream an hd movie I get it in widescreen format and i'm getting digital sound with my receiver showing DDpl2x as auto surround

Sounds like you need to update your firmware. The latest firmware has power meter bars not circles.
post #1618 of 7056
Can someone please post a direct link to the 2550 firmware (2.1)? Samsung is messing around with their support site apparently and there are no files available. I just bought a 2550 to compare with a Panny BD55 and see which one I want to keep.
post #1619 of 7056

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Originally Posted by mikeynavy1 View Post

Can someone please post a direct link to the 2550 firmware (2.1)? Samsung is messing around with their support site apparently and there are no files available. I just bought a 2550 to compare with a Panny BD55 and see which one I want to keep.

Provided a page ago. See above.
post #1620 of 7056
georgemoe...thanks! when I put in the keyword "firmware update" and 2.1...lots of hits came up but not what I was looking for...much appreciated.
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