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post #3061 of 7056
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Originally Posted by HappyFunBoater View Post

I really doubt it. There's no mention of Best Buy on the Pandora website.

I agree.
I don't know of any reference for that.
Cursorily looking at the Board and management I don't see any BB refs.
Link.

Mike
post #3062 of 7056
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Originally Posted by thejez View Post

do you know exactly how much bandwidth is required?

According the DTS web site (www.dts.com), as well as en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTS-HD, standard DTS core is 1.5 Mbps, DTS-HD HR is 2.0-6.0 Mbps, and DTS-HD MA on Blu-ray can be up to 24.5 Mbps.
post #3063 of 7056
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Originally Posted by jongig View Post

Any opinions on if I should fork out the extra and goto BB or save some cash and buy the 2500?

Given the number of people who have complained on this forum since last September about defective players (both 2500 and 2550) that they've had to return to the store or to Samsung, I would DEFINITELY buy one at a store where I could easily exchange it. I got my 2550 in August from BB (back when the price was $500 and the 2500 hadn't been released yet -- I think BB got a one month head start on everyone else) and would do so again.

Pandora wasn't available on the 2550 until the version 2.0 firmware update (released October 23). If you're curious about pandora you can check it out at www.pandora.com.
post #3064 of 7056
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Originally Posted by HappyFunBoater View Post

I really doubt it. There's no mention of Best Buy on the Pandora website.

Correct, Pandora does not own Bestbuy...But Bestbuy is one of the top Advertisers on Pandora (and bought the #1 Advertisment slot when Pandora rolled out their Iphone Internet radio application in Q408...I assume they hooked a deal to have it on the 2550 only as an exclusive...at least for some period of time)
post #3065 of 7056
I got Rhapsody and Pandora confused. So BB is Pandora's main customer at the moment and thus the exclusivity agreement; who knows for how long. I just got a set of coupons for 10% at BB but what good are they if they are out of stock of the 2550.
post #3066 of 7056
I have the 2500 connected directly to the HDMI port on my Samsung HL61A750. No AVR. The cable is a 3 ft HDMI1.3a cable from Monoprice.

When playing a BD disc (Bee Movie), I had no audio. I had made no changes to my settings on either equipment. The other inputs on my TV had audio, so I suspected the BD player.

I powered off the player and powered it back on .. and voila! I had the audio back.

But, apparently, the player had lost all its settings (not that I had changed anything major in the settings). It lost the Netflix streaming registration and I had to get a new code and re-register the player on the Netflix site.

Anyone seen this before? Should I be concerned?
post #3067 of 7056
I bought a 2550 to get TrueHD audio on my Yamaha RX863 receiver. I have not yet upgraded my old 48 projection TV. It does 480p very well and will do 1080i with a little bit of color banding. My main focus was obtaining TrueHD sound.

To make a long story short

In order to get the 2550 to output TrueHD via the Bitstream (audiophile) setting you must pick a TV resolution of 1080i or 1080p. If the video output is set to 480i/p you will only get Dolby Digital out of the bitstream.

I was going crazy trying to figure out why my setup wouldn't give TrueHD. I tried firmware 2.4 from CD on the 2550. I obtained the latest E057U rev 4 firmware update for the Yamaha 863, and still nothing. By a fluke I set the output to 1080i and wham, I had full stunning TrueHD output. Upon setting the TV output in the 2550 back to 480p, I could only get Dolby Digital again.

I hope this helps some of the others out there having problems getting TrueHD to work.

Equipment: Samsung BD-2550 and Yamaha RX863
post #3068 of 7056
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Originally Posted by WindForce2009 View Post

I bought a 2550 to get TrueHD audio on my Yamaha RX863 receiver. I have not yet upgraded my old 48 projection TV. It does 480p very well and will do 1080i with a little bit of color banding. My main focus was obtaining TrueHD sound.

To make a long story short

In order to get the 2550 to output TrueHD via the Bitstream (audiophile) setting you must pick a TV resolution of 1080i or 1080p. If the video output is set to 480i/p you will only get Dolby Digital out of the bitstream.

I was going crazy trying to figure out why my setup wouldn't give TrueHD. I tried firmware 2.4 from CD on the 2550. I obtained the latest E057U rev 4 firmware update for the Yamaha 863, and still nothing. By a fluke I set the output to 1080i and wham, I had full stunning TrueHD output. Upon setting the TV output in the 2550 back to 480p, I could only get Dolby Digital again.

I hope this helps some of the others out there having problems getting TrueHD to work.

Equipment: Samsung BD-2550 and Yamaha RX863

Although it's counter-intuitive, there is an obscure reason for this.

The datarate on the HDMI link is determined by the video resolution/rate negotiated by the source & display. The audio is then carried in extra data packets sent in between the video data and headers in the HDMI data stream.

At a resolution of 480p, the negotiated data rate on the cable is too low to carry sufficient data for a TrueHD stream.

Stupid? Yes. But that's the way it is...
post #3069 of 7056
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Originally Posted by Indyjones View Post

I think that I've decided to pick up a BD-P2500, so that I can now have a standalone and plus that it has the REON chip in it, which would enable me to finally unload my XA2, if the dvd-upconversion comparison between the two are equal, or close, anyway.

Are there any issues I should be aware of, concerning the BD-P2500? I'm also planning on getting a new receiver, probably the Onkyo TX-SR806. I thought that I would add that, just in case there are issues with that combo. And out of curiousity, how does the 2500 compare to the PS3 as far as blu-ray playback goes?

The Blu-ray video quality of the BD-P2550 and the PS3 is excellent on both players and I can not tell a difference. I own and use both players and have used them both on my Samsung 61 inch TV.

I also own a Toshiba HD-XA2 HD-DVD player and the DVD upconversion between the BD-P2550 and the HD-XA2 is comparable and both players do an excellent job. However, I would have to give a slight edge to the HD-XA2 due to the fact that the player allows more picture adjustments as an option.
However, I rarely ever use the picture adjustments and I believe you will be very satisfied with using the BD-P2550 to upconvert DVDs.

Additionally, I have used my BD-P2550 with my Onkyo TX-SR805 reciever and the two work flawlessly together.

If you decide to unload your HD-XA2 then send me a PM as I have a large collection of HD-DVDs.
post #3070 of 7056
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Originally Posted by WindForce2009 View Post

In order to get the 2550 to output TrueHD via the Bitstream (audiophile) setting you must pick a TV resolution of 1080i or 1080p. If the video output is set to 480i/p you will only get Dolby Digital out of the bitstream.

It actually not limited to TrueHD. Basically, TrueHD, LPCM 5.1/7.1 and DTS-HD will all be affected if you set your HDMI resolution it anything below HD (720p, 1080i and 1080p are ok).

This is the limitation of current HDMI spec which allocates audio bandwidth as a fixed percentage of total video bandwidth (use the blank period in video signal to transfer audio).
post #3071 of 7056
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Originally Posted by SteveCaron View Post

I wanted to see if anybody else out there has noticed the following issue since the last FW upgrade. I should also mention that I am connected wireless to my Samsung. During Netflix playback occasionally I will notice a jump of a few frames in the picture that may happen once or twice during a viewing; it happens with both HD and SD viewing. The other thing I noticed is that on SD Netflix playback the last 3 bars are not filled where as with the prior update it was only the last 2; during HD playback they all fill. I can't honestly say that I can see a difference with the playback on SD with only the last 3 not being filled. Connectivity and speed has never been an issue with my set-up from day 1. Just wanted to see if anybody else has noticed this change and or problem?

I too am on wireless G and have the same result - 3 bars unfilled in SD and all fill for HD. Never considered it a problem but if I had a 75' ethernet cable, I would love to see if there is any difference in bars/quality. As it is, even when quality level is supposedly the same, I can see huge differences in quality from program to program. Watched Weeds last night - looked near DVD - while I've watched other movies where some of the pixels were the size of sugar cubes.
post #3072 of 7056
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Originally Posted by phases View Post

Just to throw it out there, I didn't know what Pandora was either until I fired it up and said "hey, what's this." ...and now it's one of my favorite features of the player.

I use my Pandora account at work too.

But it's awesome, streams all the music I like right through my player into my 5.1 system. <3

Couldn't agree more - it's the bomb. As an aside, the folks at Pandora think that the new 2.4 firmware may be the cause of the skipping that some of us have experienced. They deleted my account and had me reactivate the 2550 - I'll find out tonight if it solved the problem.
post #3073 of 7056
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Originally Posted by alokeprasad View Post

But, apparently, the player had lost all its settings (not that I had changed anything major in the settings). It lost the Netflix streaming registration and I had to get a new code and re-register the player on the Netflix site.

Anyone seen this before? Should I be concerned?

Did you by chance hold in the FF key on the player itself? If you hold it in for about 5 seconds, it performs a hard reset, and wipes out the settings, just as you mentioned.
post #3074 of 7056
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Originally Posted by dvab View Post

I too am on wireless G and have the same result - 3 bars unfilled in SD and all fill for HD. Never considered it a problem but if I had a 75' ethernet cable, I would love to see if there is any difference in bars/quality. As it is, even when quality level is supposedly the same, I can see huge differences in quality from program to program. Watched Weeds last night - looked near DVD - while I've watched other movies where some of the pixels were the size of sugar cubes.

3 bars less than full is currently the max for SD and all bars filled with "HD" showing at the end is max for HD streaming, regardless of connection, provided you have sufficient bandwidth from the source. The encode quality does vary based on content. I watched "Cleaner" with Samuel L. Jackson the other night and was very impressed with the quality for SD. It was better than most DVDs i've seen, and as good as many of the HD feeds. I've found that most of the Starz movies SD feeds are horrible encodes though. The Netflix encodes have gotten progressively better though.
post #3075 of 7056
For those of you who like the Pandora functionality, but can't justify the price difference or can't find availability for the 2550, you might want to check out Slacker Radio as well. The portable Slacker G1 devices (blackberry sized) have been going for ridiculously cheap prices on some sites like Woot recently. I've found Slacker to have more overall content with less repeats, and the station customization is every bit as good as Pandora. With an FM converter, and a 3.5mm male to male cable, you can plug into your car and home theater as well. It has built-in WiFi capability and updates your customized stations any time it is in a WiFi hotspot (open or secure, if you have the password) by downloading the content to the player. Depending on available memory, it typically downloads at least 8 hours of music for each station. I bought several as Christmas presents, and all the people love them. My only mistake was that I didn't buy myself one... I've been using their Blackberry App, but it's not as good as the stand alone player.
post #3076 of 7056
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Originally Posted by Dark Rider View Post

Did you by chance hold in the FF key on the player itself? If you hold it in for about 5 seconds, it performs a hard reset, and wipes out the settings, just as you mentioned.

Quite possible. I use that to skip forward (press and hold the key that looks like >> ).

I still don't know why I did not have audio that one time. Maybe a one-time bad hdmi handshake?
post #3077 of 7056
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Originally Posted by alokeprasad View Post

Quite possible. I use that to skip forward (press and hold the key that looks like >> ).

I still don't know why I did not have audio that one time. Maybe a one-time bad hdmi handshake?

Perhaps. It happens with my satco stb.

The Bee Movie only has a TrueHD track. Maybe your HDTV cannot handle TrueHD bitstreamed via HDMI. If you did reset your player by pressing the >>| button this would set the audio setting back to the default - which is PCM. In this case the player will decode the TrueHD on and send it to your HDTV as PCM which could be why your audio returned.

Play around with the audio settings in the player. Set it to bitstream and see if you get sound from the HDTV. There will be no problem if the setting is set to PCM.
post #3078 of 7056
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Originally Posted by dvab View Post

Couldn't agree more - it's the bomb. As an aside, the folks at Pandora think that the new 2.4 firmware may be the cause of the skipping that some of us have experienced. They deleted my account and had me reactivate the 2550 - I'll find out tonight if it solved the problem.

problem solved
post #3079 of 7056
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Originally Posted by nextoo View Post

Perhaps. It happens with my satco stb.

The Bee Movie only has a TrueHD track. Maybe your HDTV cannot handle TrueHD bitstreamed via HDMI. If you did reset your player by pressing the >>| button this would set the audio setting back to the default - which is PCM. In this case the player will decode the TrueHD on and send it to your HDTV as PCM which could be why your audio returned.

Play around with the audio settings in the player. Set it to bitstream and see if you get sound from the HDTV. There will be no problem if the setting is set to PCM.

I'll leave it at PCM. I am using the speakers on my TV (no surround system) so why bitstream it from the BD player ..?
post #3080 of 7056
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Originally Posted by alokeprasad View Post

I'll leave it at PCM. I am using the speakers on my TV (no surround system) so why bitstream it from the BD player ..?

No reason to. I just made the point that the setting in the player may have had something to do with whether or not you were getting audio out of your HDTV.

Some HDTVs can decode a DD bitstream. Some cannot. If bitstream is not possible for your HDTV then the player must be set to PCM for audio to work.

Either way the difference in aural experience should/will be indistinguishable.

No need to worry.
post #3081 of 7056
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Originally Posted by dvab View Post

problem solved

So deleting your Pandora account and re-creating it fixed the skipping tracks problem? Can I do this myself or does Pandora have to delete my account?
post #3082 of 7056
::Grrrrr::
So I decided to get the 2550 and BB told me tonight that they might not be getting anymore since Samsung is about to release the "2650" to replace it...
I asked him if he was sure since the 2500/50 is their newest line and is just now getting the full functionality (ie Pandora) to which he replied yes, adding the 1500 is really new as well...

I really hate that place sometimes... but its not avail in any of the other BB's in the Omaha area either....
post #3083 of 7056
Sorry if this has been answered before, but does the 2550 have onboard decoding of DTS-HD HR/MA so that I could use the analog outs? I've seen conflicting reports. Some online reviews (cnet for example) say it can, while others say it can't
post #3084 of 7056
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Originally Posted by Lordoftherings View Post

Hi thebland,

I'm not sure if this is the right place to shoot about missing features of blu-ray players. I thought this thread was about the 2500/2550?
Master list for all the players! Sounds good to me, but shouldn't I post those
in their respective threads?

Anyway, I'll go for a spin (test drive). And see what happen.
Well, one major missing feature (or issue) of the Sammy 2500/2550, as you probably already know, is the bass management for the multichannel analog output.
Totally inexcusable! Why bother putting jacks for 7.1 ch., if you cannot
even set ch. levels, speaker's delay and absolutely obsolete test tones in
the player??? This have to be one of the greatest travesty in the history
of the Audio world!
Here you have it, one major issue; "entre-autre" from several other issues,
on this particular player and all other Samsung BD & COMBO players with
5.1 or 7.1 multichannel analog output.
If you are doing a Master list, I can keep going, but it will probably take
an encyclopedia (well, a book) to enumerate them all!

Please, explain how can I, and all of us, be of any help.

Your's truly,

Bob

Thanks!!

If you are the SAmmy man, I am looking for issues for all current Samsung players.

If there are more issues with the 2550/2500, please keep posting them..

Thanks for the efforts!!
post #3085 of 7056
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Originally Posted by FoolintheRain View Post

Sorry if this has been answered before, but does the 2550 have onboard decoding of DTS-HD HR/MA so that I could use the analog outs? I've seen conflicting reports. Some online reviews (cnet for example) say it can, while others say it can't


Of course. Firmware 2.4 just added DTS-HD HR/MA decoding.
post #3086 of 7056
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Originally Posted by ShrinerMonkey View Post

So deleting your Pandora account and re-creating it fixed the skipping tracks problem? Can I do this myself or does Pandora have to delete my account?

Email Pandora and have them delete it then reactivate like you did the first time.
post #3087 of 7056
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Originally Posted by anti-socialite View Post

::Grrrrr::
So I decided to get the 2550 and BB told me tonight that they might not be getting anymore since Samsung is about to release the "2650" to replace it...
I asked him if he was sure since the 2500/50 is their newest line and is just now getting the full functionality (ie Pandora) to which he replied yes, adding the 1500 is really new as well...

I really hate that place sometimes... but its not avail in any of the other BB's in the Omaha area either....

hrmm this is interesting. I was also thinking about picking up a 2550, there is one BB (of about 8) in my area that has some in stock. It certainly seems logical that BB is out of these all over the country because a new model is coming but it seems weird we know nothing about it yet. Then again the 2550 itself is a bit of an enigma with no mention of it on the Samsung site either...

**EDIT**
Ok i see that @ CES Samsung did announce the next gen players. the 3600 and the 4600. I assume that the 2550 being out of stock is a sign that these are realeasing soon???
http://www.slashgear.com/ces-2009-sa...ayers-0729268/
post #3088 of 7056
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Originally Posted by Dark Rider View Post

3 bars less than full is currently the max for SD and all bars filled with "HD" showing at the end is max for HD streaming, regardless of connection, provided you have sufficient bandwidth from the source. The encode quality does vary based on content. I watched "Cleaner" with Samuel L. Jackson the other night and was very impressed with the quality for SD. It was better than most DVDs i've seen, and as good as many of the HD feeds. I've found that most of the Starz movies SD feeds are horrible encodes though. The Netflix encodes have gotten progressively better though.

Thanks for the info! It seems my wireless solution is working perfectly then!
post #3089 of 7056
[quote=thejez;15803124]

**EDIT**
Ok i see that @ CES Samsung did announce the next gen players. the 3600 and the 4600. I assume that the 2550 being out of stock is a sign that these are realeasing soon??? [quote]


The guy at BB said next month, but I kind of rolled my eyes in regards to no more 2550's because:
1. Its BB
2. Its BB
3. Usually this place has threads up and running weeks before release
4. He called it the "2650" which comes up empty on google
post #3090 of 7056
Quote:
Originally Posted by thejez View Post


**EDIT**
Ok i see that @ CES Samsung did announce the next gen players. the 3600 and the 4600. I assume that the 2550 being out of stock is a sign that these are realeasing soon???


The guy at BB said next month, but I kind of rolled my eyes in regards to no more 2550's because:
1. Its BB
2. Its BB
3. Usually this place has threads up and running weeks before release
4. He called it the "2650" which comes up empty on google
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