Originally Posted by Dark Rider
I agree that there is nothing inherently wrong with the analog out implementation on the BD-P2500/2550. The vast majority of last generation AVRs that supported 7.1 channel analog in, also had setup controls that supported the analog channels. I don't think it was an unrealistic expectation at all for Samsung to expect most users to use their AVRs to adjust sound levels for each channel. Heck I have an old Sony receiver that's at least two generations old that can adjust analog levels, although it's only 5.1. I've never tested it with the BD-P2500, because it's in a totally different room, but I'm willing to bet my experience would be similar to what nextoo described. For those of you who cannot adjust analog levels on your receiver, I'd recommend going over to coax/toslink connection until you upgrade your AVR to something with HDMI support. Yes it is lossy, but it still sounds remarkably good on BDs. If you can't live with that, either upgrade now, or sell and buy the S550.
I think you are missing the point. Samsung offered a player with analog outputs in the same price range as Sony and Pansonic. Both Panasonic and Sony allow for speaker size, distance/delay and channel volume. Samsung only allows speaker size and that is poorly implemented. Why do you believe Samsung would "expect" their customers to use their AVR to make analog adjustments since Sony and Panasonic expect their customers to use the player to make all of the analog adjustments? The simple reason is that Sony and Panasonic both understand that people who purchase a unit for the analog outputs are doing so because they do not want to upgrade their analog capable AVR to get lossless sound and that all three settings are important to enjoying that sound properly.
BTW, my 5.1 H/K receiver does allow for individual volume levels for the analog channels but not distance or size. That is not really the whole issue. It is the complete implementation of the analog design that has been the problem for me:
1. You cannot set speakers to different sizes unless you enable all 7 channels. The caveat to this is discs with a 7.1 sound track do not sound right on a 5.1 system. So you either set them all to small, even if you have an investment in full range front speakers, and send all the low frequencies to the sub or you set them all to large and live with the center and surrounds getting full range but not being able to produce it if they are bookshelf size or smaller. You don't believe this is a problem? Why bother to implement analog outputs if your going to do it this way? Samsung did through two generations of players no less.
2. You cannot adjust distance/delay. Minor but Sony and Panasonic thought it might come in handy.
3. When the disc is loading you can hear soft pops and clicks in the speakers as relays and servos are working. Again, minor but indicative of a poor design.
Every quality receiver allows for speaker size, distance/delay and volume for all channels when using a digital signal. Most receivers only allow for just volume adjustment on the analog channels. If the receiver and the player do not allow for speaker size or distance/delay are you saying this two settings don't matter when listening through the analog outputs?
Your statement about selling the 2550 and buying the 550 ignores the fact that many people, myself being one, bought the 2550 over the Panny 50 or Sony 550 because it had analog outputs and the Reon chip. To take a loss by selling the unit and buying a unit that implements analog properly is a little rediculous. I chose to throw in the towel and buy an HDMI receiver.