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post #3841 of 7056
I own a new (one week old) Samsung 2550 (purchased at BB). I noticed that on every disc I load there are intermittent audio dropouts. This silence lasts for about three seconds, then everything's okay. During a normal two hour movie it might dropout four or five times. Am I doing something wrong, have I missed something in setups? At this moment the player is connected directly to the TV via HDMI-there is no receiver in play. Anyone out there experience this issue? Thanks.
post #3842 of 7056
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Originally Posted by BIslander View Post

That's true on these particular Samsung players when set to bitstream re-encode. But, the Samsungs are unusual in that regard. Most BD players merely use the embedded DD 5.1 track when playing a TrueHD track for output over S/PDIF. I believe that also happpens with the Samsungs when set to the other bitstream options.

I have my 2550 connected via optical, set to bitstream and my pre-pro is a "Legacy" Outlaw Audio 990. When I select a Dolby TruHD audio track, the 990 see it as regular Dolby Digital and plays just fine. This works for titles from various studios.
post #3843 of 7056
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Originally Posted by vinjonman View Post

I own a new (one week old) Samsung 2550 (purchased at BB). I noticed that on every disc I load there are intermittent audio dropouts. This silence lasts for about three seconds, then everything's okay. During a normal two hour movie it might dropout four or five times. Am I doing something wrong, have I missed something in setups? At this moment the player is connected directly to the TV via HDMI-there is no receiver in play. Anyone out there experience this issue? Thanks.

Can't say for myself as I don't own one (yet), but in my research I've read of other cases. I've never seen anyone offer a solution except in one case someone suggested it could be dirty discs. But if it happens with all of them...

If/when I get one I'll post here if I have the same issue.
post #3844 of 7056
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Originally Posted by vinjonman View Post

I own a new (one week old) Samsung 2550 (purchased at BB). I noticed that on every disc I load there are intermittent audio dropouts. This silence lasts for about three seconds, then everything's okay. During a normal two hour movie it might dropout four or five times. Am I doing something wrong, have I missed something in setups? At this moment the player is connected directly to the TV via HDMI-there is no receiver in play. Anyone out there experience this issue? Thanks.

Not me and I've had mine since October. Only difference is that it is a 2500.
post #3845 of 7056
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Originally Posted by namechamps View Post

Looks like Best Buy is closing out the 2550. I am not sure how specific we can be @ pricing but both of my local Best Buy have the 2550 marked down on the shelf. Not advertised and website shows normal $349 price.

This thread isn't for price talk but there's a dedicated sticky for all things Blu deal related where you can post what you like.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=937817
post #3846 of 7056
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Originally Posted by laserjock II View Post

So you're saying the 2500/2550 does 24fps on your display using Netflix HD ?

I'm a little confused on this also - when people say "24fps works with Netflix", does that just mean that you can enable the 24fps option for bluray playback without breaking Netflix playback? Or is the Netflix stream itself actually played back at 24fps?

FWIW, I seem to be in the first category. I have 24fps on bluray without breaking netflix, but the netflix streams (at least the ones I've tried) are still at 60Hz.

If the second case is true (the netflix streams should actually be 24fps), can anyone provide a few examples of movies from netflix that should work at 24fps??

Edit: See my post below for details, but when actually running 24fps, netflix is broken....
post #3847 of 7056
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Originally Posted by eht View Post

I'm a little confused on this also - when people say "24fps works with Netflix", does that just mean that you can enable the 24fps option for bluray playback without breaking Netflix playback? Or is the Netflix stream itself actually played back at 24fps?

FWIW, I seem to be in the first category. I have 24fps on bluray without breaking netflix, but the netflix streams (at least the ones I've tried) are still at 60Hz.

If the second case is true (the netflix streams should actually be 24fps), can anyone provide a few examples of movies from netflix that should work at 24fps??

My understanding is that all of the HD movies are at 720p/24fps. I thought that SD was also 24 fps as well. 24 fps is just the most efficient way to encode film based movies so that is why it is commonly used for Blu-ray, streaming (Apple & Vudu), and even DVDs (with flags to convert to 60i for NTSC).
post #3848 of 7056
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Originally Posted by miata View Post

My understanding is that all of the HD movies are at 720p/24fps. I thought that SD was also 24 fps as well. 24 fps is just the most efficient way to encode film based movies so that is why it is commonly used for Blu-ray, streaming (Apple & Vudu), and even DVDs (with flags to convert to 60i for NTSC).

Hmm. Just tried Serenity, which is listed by Netflix as HD, and correctly identified by the player as HD, but is still identified by the tv (Samsung LN52A650) as 60Hz. This is true both with the player connected directly to the tv and with it passed through a Denon 3808 AVR.
post #3849 of 7056
24fps has nothing to do with encoding efficiency or HD vs SD. Basically, if the source is shot on film, it will be 24fps by nature. If source is shot on video camera, it will be 60i. So, basically all films are 24fps and documentaries and concert videos are 60i.

Netflix stream is another story. When Netflix digitize/encode the movie, it may keep it in 24fps mode or apply 3:2 pull-down then encode. No body knows.
post #3850 of 7056
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24fps has nothing to do with encoding efficiency or HD vs SD. Basically, if the source is shot on film, it will be 24fps by nature. If source is shot on video camera, it will be 60i. So, basically all films are 24fps and documentaries and concert videos are 60i.

Netflix stream is another story. When Netflix digitize/encode the movie, it may keep it in 24fps mode or apply 3:2 pull-down then encode. No body knows.

There is a post about this on the official Netflix blog about encoding for streaming has some interesting info about this.

(I'm new here and system won't let me post the link)

blog.netflix.com/2008/11/encoding-for-streaming.html

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Encoded films are normally at 24fps to match the source, while shot-to-video and mixed material is de-interlaced to 30fps (or 25fps for PAL content).
post #3851 of 7056
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

24fps has nothing to do with encoding efficiency or HD vs SD. Basically, if the source is shot on film, it will be 24fps by nature. If source is shot on video camera, it will be 60i. So, basically all films are 24fps and documentaries and concert videos are 60i.

Netflix stream is another story. When Netflix digitize/encode the movie, it may keep it in 24fps mode or apply 3:2 pull-down then encode. No body knows.

I'm just saying that it is most efficient to digitize and store a 24 fps movies as 24 frames rather than 30 frames or 60 fields. The display engive can do the conversion to 4801, 720p, 1080i or 1080p or even 1080p/24fps.
post #3852 of 7056
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

Netflix stream is another story. When Netflix digitize/encode the movie, it may keep it in 24fps mode or apply 3:2 pull-down then encode. No body knows.

I initially had problems with Netflix streaming after enabling 24f on the 2500, but now it works ok.

To answer the question of Netflix's streaming....

From the Netflix blog:

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Thursday, November 6, 2008
Encoding for streaming
This is Neil Hunt, Netflix chief product officer, with some technical background on the Netflix encodes used for streaming. We get a lot of questions about this, so I'm going to go deep.

First Generation Encoding

Our first set of encodes are based on WMV3 and WMA in ASF with WMDRM10 (Janus). We chose these standards because the Janus components have been widely adopted by our CE partners such as Roku, LG Electronics, Samsung, TiVo, and of course Microsoft Xbox.

We encode most content at 500, 1000, 1600, and 2200kbps VBR, but some titles whose source quality merits it have also been encoded at 3400kbps. The highest bitrate encodes are fit into 720x480 non-square pixels (the usual 1.2 PAR for widescreen content, 0.9 PAR for 4:3), but optimum encoding at lower bitrates is achieved with fewer pixels. Encoded films are normally at 24fps to match the source, while shot-to-video and mixed material is de-interlaced to 30fps (or 25fps for PAL content).

Second Generation Encoding

The new Silverlight player (that some users are helping us test as I write) uses VC1 Advanced Profile encoding with PlayReady DRM. A key property is that each GOP header includes frame size and resolution, which allows us to assemble a stream on the fly from different bitrate encodes as your broadband bandwidth fluctuates. (Another key feature is more coverage, including Intel Macs and Firefox users.) We expect to switch completely to the new player later this year.

The VC1 encoders are more efficient than the WMV3 encoders, so we are currently encoding VC1AP at slightly lower birates: 375, 500, 1000, and 1500kbps, all square pixel. At some point we are likely to add a couple more resolutions of non-square pixel encodes capturing the original pixel-aspect-ratio of the source.

We are also re-wrapping the VC1AP encodes in WMDRM10 for CE devices, which will gradually switch to the more efficient encodes in future firmware upgrades.

High Definition Encodes

Today we have rights to deliver about 400 streams in HD (720p). More titles will be added over time. We experimented with first-generation WMV3 encodes at 4000kbps and 5500kbps, but settled on second-generation HD encodes with VC1AP at 2600kbps and 3800kbps, which extends their accessibility down to lower home broadband connections. As with SD, encodes of film material are at 24fps, and encodes of shot-to-video material are at 30fps (or 25fps for PAL), rather than the 60fps that would come from a Blu-ray disc - we judged the 60fps content as too expensive of bandwidth for now. In general, these encodes are definitively better than SD, but won't challenge well-executed Blu-ray encodes - that would require a bitrate out of reach for most domestic broadband today. We believe Moore's law will drive home broadband higher and higher enabling full 1080p60 encodes in a few years.

Stereo Audio

Today, we cannot use WMDRM to deliver AC3 or DD+ audio, which means that only stereo (delivered via WMA) is available. PCs and Macs decode the WMA, and CE players also transcode to PCM for digital connections to receivers. We could technically include multichannel audio using WMAPro, but essentially no receivers are actually capable of decoding that. We are working on solutions to deliver multichannel audio for all the streams where we have suitable source, but this won't happen in 2008 for sure.

Subtitles, Closed Captions, and Alternate Soundtracks

All these features are desired for future releases. Delivering closed-captions via the Silverlight player is probably closest, but it won't be 2008 either.

Sources

Our best sources are electronically delivered mezzanine files, or high quality D5 tapes, and the highest bitrate encodes of these sources really look as good or better than DVDs. Digibeta tape sources can also generate good encodes, but some sources just are not as good, regardless of the bitrate used for encoding. We also encode from DV tape and even on occasion from DVDs. We get HD sources for many titles, even if we only have the rights to stream SD. The HD sources permit a better SD encode than working from SD soures.

One class of sources has been derived from 24fps film, interlaced to i60 for TV broadcast, and then decimated to p30, and comes with restrictions on reprocessing. This results in frames that are even-odd interlaces of adjacent film frames, and a 4/5 cadence motion jerkiness. We are actively working to re-acquire these sources in better form.

Delivered Quality

Our first-gen PC streaming player uses 1-4 bars to represent the delivered quality, representing 500, 1000, 1600, and 2200 kbps. The 3400kbps encodes are represented as 4 bars. The player measures bandwidth once at the start of the title, and chooses a bitrate for delivery that has at least 40% headroom from the measured speed.

The Roku, LG, and Samsung, players use four dots during buffering in the same way, and Xbox has 4 bars just like the PC player. The TiVo player has a similar display, but with 10 thin bars.

The Silverlight player is currently more opaque, since it picks the stream to deliver dynamically. If your connection slows, as the buffer empties, the player starts buffering a lower bitrate stream and switches seamlessly across. Conversely, if the buffer fills rapidly again, the player can pick a higher bitrate stream. (Note that if Outlook (or some other large application) decides to wake up and refresh your email in the middle of a movie, Silverlight might be starved of CPU and drop some frames; this may cause the player to conclude that it should switch to a lower bitrate stream that won't overload the CPU. Today, we haven't figured a reliable way to determine that the CPU is again underutilized and permit switching back up again, so my advice is to close Outlook and similar periodically expensive applications prior to playing the movie!)

Other Notes

We strive to deliver great encodes, and the encoding recipe evolves as we learn new tricks and engage new encoding technology. Since we have a variety of software and CE players in the field, we have to continue to support existing encodes for a transition period if new versions incompatible with existing players are added, until we can work with partners to upgrade firmware to support the new encodes.
One new feature that I want to add is a post-play screen that appears when a playback is stopped, so that users can easily flag when encodes fall below par, so that we can prioritize identifying and fixing issues.
Posted by NDH at 7:56 AM
Labels: encoding, Janus, PlayReady, Silverlight, VC1, WMDRM, WMV3
post #3853 of 7056
This confirms that the source is generally 24fps for film. It is not clear whether the Samsung can convert the 720p/24 to 1080p/24fps and output this over HDMI to a 1080p/24fps compatible display.
post #3854 of 7056
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Originally Posted by miata View Post

I'm just saying that it is most efficient to digitize and store a 24 fps movies as 24 frames rather than 30 frames or 60 fields. The display engive can do the conversion to 4801, 720p, 1080i or 1080p or even 1080p/24fps.

24fps stored as 3:2 pull down, such as in SD DVD, only needs an addition flag to indicate the repeated frames. There is no additional data stored. However, it is easier for player to handle if it is stored as 24fps on disc. Hence no more mis-flagged material that plagued SD DVDs for so long. And no need for Reon either
post #3855 of 7056
I had some time to do some more testing tonight, and found that the player just does not seem to switch to 24Hz mode correctly. On initial power up, even with the 1080p and 24fps options turned on in the setup menu, it's running 60Hz. If go straight to netflix, it works (at 60Hz). (I suspect this may be the source of some of the conflicting reports of netflix working with the 24fps setting, even though it's not actually playing back at 24Hz...) If I play a bluray disc, it will sometimes force it to switch to 24Hz, but sometimes not. I can force it to switch manually by turning the option off and then on again in the setup menu. However it gets there, once it's actually running at 24Hz, trying to run netflix completely hoses things (garbled screen, etc.). It's not just netflix that's hosed at that point, either - restart is the only fix.

I tested all of the above with both 2.3 and 2.4 firmware, alternating each between directly connected to the LN52A650 and with a Denon 3808 in the loop. Results were the same in all four cases.

Unless anyone has any pretty simple suggestions, this puppy is going back. This is just far too flakey for my use.
post #3856 of 7056
I recently purchased a 2500 from buy.com.

The firmware is updated, HDMI connection to Westinghouse 42" LCD @ 1080p.

Bluray and Netflix streaming are working great.

However, trying to play standard DVDs results in the audio coming through fine, but the video stays locked on the Samsung/bluray/netflix splash screen.

the player is automatically selecting 1080p as I think it should.

I tried with the anynet on and off. Have reset the player with FF for 5 seconds.

Online tech support suggested a full servicing, but I wanted to try AVS first...

Any suggestions?
post #3857 of 7056
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Originally Posted by eht View Post

I had some time to do some more testing tonight, and found that the player just does not seem to switch to 24Hz mode correctly. On initial power up, even with the 1080p and 24fps options turned on in the setup menu, it's running 60Hz. If go straight to netflix, it works (at 60Hz). (I suspect this may be the source of some of the conflicting reports of netflix working with the 24fps setting, even though it's not actually playing back at 24Hz...) If I play a bluray disc, it will sometimes force it to switch to 24Hz, but sometimes not. I can force it to switch manually by turning the option off and then on again in the setup menu. However it gets there, once it's actually running at 24Hz, trying to run netflix completely hoses things (garbled screen, etc.). It's not just netflix that's hosed at that point, either - restart is the only fix.

I tested all of the above with both 2.3 and 2.4 firmware, alternating each between directly connected to the LN52A650 and with a Denon 3808 in the loop. Results were the same in all four cases.

Unless anyone has any pretty simple suggestions, this puppy is going back. This is just far too flakey for my use.

You do have "AMP" turned off don't you? (Auto Motion Plus) on TV
post #3858 of 7056
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Originally Posted by eht View Post

I had some time to do some more testing tonight, and found that the player just does not seem to switch to 24Hz mode correctly. On initial power up, even with the 1080p and 24fps options turned on in the setup menu, it's running 60Hz. If go straight to netflix, it works (at 60Hz). (I suspect this may be the source of some of the conflicting reports of netflix working with the 24fps setting, even though it's not actually playing back at 24Hz...) If I play a bluray disc, it will sometimes force it to switch to 24Hz, but sometimes not. I can force it to switch manually by turning the option off and then on again in the setup menu. However it gets there, once it's actually running at 24Hz, trying to run netflix completely hoses things (garbled screen, etc.). It's not just netflix that's hosed at that point, either - restart is the only fix.

I tested all of the above with both 2.3 and 2.4 firmware, alternating each between directly connected to the LN52A650 and with a Denon 3808 in the loop. Results were the same in all four cases.

Unless anyone has any pretty simple suggestions, this puppy is going back. This is just far too flakey for my use.

I found that if you enable 24fps, you must power cycle the 2500 for Netflix to work correctly. Every time I went from 30fps to 24fps and went straight to Netflix, I got the green screen with garbled audio. If I rebooted the 2500 after enabling 24fps, it works ok. I've watched several streams over the last 3 or 4 days in both SD and HD with 24fps enabled without any problems.

My TV doesn't tell me what the refresh rate is for the signal it's receiving, so I don't know what the 2500 is outputting.
post #3859 of 7056
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Originally Posted by B Leisle View Post

I found that if you enable 24fps, you must power cycle the 2500 for Netflix to work correctly. Every time I went from 30fps to 24fps and went straight to Netflix, I got the green screen with garbled audio. If I rebooted the 2500 after enabling 24fps, it works ok. I've watched several streams over the last 3 or 4 days in both SD and HD with 24fps enabled without any problems.

My TV doesn't tell me what the refresh rate is for the signal it's receiving, so I don't know what the 2500 is outputting.

This is encouraging. I'm looking at getting a 2550 that will be dedicated to Netflix streaming. I would like to set the thing to 24 fps and get my Netflix movies to play at 1080p/24fps.

Can you tell if your display is actually receiving 1080p/24fps after you reboot?
post #3860 of 7056
I got my netflix running on my 2550 by rebooting, also. The movies have been showing at 1080p at 60hz and not 24hz.
post #3861 of 7056
Ok, so I've skimmed through this giant thread. And prior to reading it, I had my decision on which Blu-Ray player to buy. I am doing the ever-so-famous 2550 vs. PS3 debate with myself. Because of the age of some of the posts, I'm not sure if different problems have risen, or if those older problems are now fixed through Firmware.

So, here is where I stand. First, I am not a gammer. So, a PS3 will not be used as a gaming conslole for me. I do, however, download a lot of TV shows, ect. and that would be a good means to play them.

There are 2 features in the 2550 that I LOVE. The HQV chip and the Netflix/Pandora. I have an extensive DVD collection, and the HQV upconversion is important to me, and I know I will use Pandora a lot. These two features sold the 2550 over the PS3 for me. However, as I researched the 2550 a bit more, I am seeing 2 things that concern me.

1) The 2550 seems to not really exist on the Samsung Website. The 2500 is featured, but not the 2550. It almost seems as if it has been discontinued and no longer made / supported.

2) I read a bunch of reviews on BB, Amazon, and other forums, and supprisingly, the approval rating for this items seems to be in the 80-ish%. It seems as if it either works wonderfully for people and they love it, or it was the worst purchase for people. It seems as if the most common issue is audio skipping with no seen solution. (In my mind this may be connection to my point #1 above)

I really love the HQV and Pandora feature that the 2550 offers, but if it risks being a dud that lacks support in the near future, then it is probably the PS3 for me.

I know this is commonly discussed on this thread. Most of those discussions are older though. I'm looking for an up to date assessment of these two.

Any input is greatly appreciated.
post #3862 of 7056
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Originally Posted by carverm View Post

I just read this over at Audioholics regarding the 2550:

"The unit cannot play DVD+R/RW, DVD-RAM, CDI, or CDV discs. It also cannot play CD-R/RW and DVD-R/RW with recorded content such as divx, avi, mpg, mov, wma, mp3, and digital photo view (JPEG) files.

Thanks

I have finally received my 2550 from E-outlet (Original FW 080704.01) and updated to the latest version 090104.01. My unit will NOT play any of my AVI's. I have tried the regular xvid/divx (.avi) files and the higher definition .mpg (720p) files with 5.1 sound. Data was burned on Ridata 16x DVD+R discs. The 2550 doesn't recognize the disc and immediately ejects it with the following error message "This disc cannot be played" I thought the latest firmware update fixed this problem.

How are others able to view their avi/mpg files on the 2550?

I have a PS-3 and it plays them flawlessly, but I would like to be able to use the 2550 to see if there is an increase in PQ.

Thanks,

john
post #3863 of 7056
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Originally Posted by sabre170 View Post

1) The 2550 seems to not really exist on the Samsung Website. The 2500 is featured, but not the 2550. It almost seems as if it has been discontinued and no longer made / supported.

2) I read a bunch of reviews on BB, Amazon, and other forums, and supprisingly, the approval rating for this items seems to be in the 80-ish%. It seems as if it either works wonderfully for people and they love it, or it was the worst purchase for people. It seems as if the most common issue is audio skipping with no seen solution. (In my mind this may be connection to my point #1 above).

.

1. Both th 2500 and the 2550 are being replaced by the 3600 and its derivatives. The newest firmware was issued Jan 6, 2009. Whether Samsung will continue to issue newer firmware or not, we will see.

2. The HQV chip does make a a very significant improvement in PQ for DVD. Netflix streaming with SD movies is very viewable, about par with DVD (IMO, not as good as upconverted dvd). I do not experience any audio skip, 2550 with Pioneer VSX-01THX-HDMI connection.

I do not have PS3.
post #3864 of 7056
Picked up a 2550 last night. I noticed my directional button on the front panel has really bright white leds. The CNET review model has lighter blue leds instead. I read some previous posts where someone covered the leds with electrical tape. Kind of lame to do, but I might have to do that because they are really freakin bright. So did the lights change from blue to white, or white to blue on recent model 2550s?

post #3865 of 7056
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Originally Posted by chanc View Post

1. Both th 2500 and the 2550 are being replaced by the 3600 and its derivatives. The newest firmware was issued Jan 6, 2009. Whether Samsung will continue to issue newer firmware or not, we will see.

without taking this thread of course, is there a release date for the 3600 and what are the differences from the 2500?
post #3866 of 7056
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Originally Posted by RTK View Post

without taking this thread of course, is there a release date for the 3600 and what are the differences from the 2500?

A few weeks ago. Check the 1600 and 3600 threads.
post #3867 of 7056
Thanks to everyone here for there help.

I "finally", got everything up and running on my Netflix streaming yesterday, and it has been working just fine(for the most part). There was one episode of Star Trek Season 1, where the audio disappeared, but after stoping the episode, and resuming it, the audio reappeared. Weird.

Anyway, I am using just a regular "cheap" wired router, and two Belkin Powerline nodes(85 Mbps MAX) that I got at Best Buy for a Clearance/Closeout price, and a Mortorola 5100 surfboard for Broadband Cable from Time Warner(Road Runner).

No problems in setup, or execution, thanks to alot of people here.

I find that the SD stuff looks just fine to me(being viewed on a Samsung 32A450 via HDMI set at 1080p from the 2500), and the Blu-Ray Discs I have gotten so far look really good, plus the sound from the 5.1 hookup via analog cables to my Yamaha(DTS HD AND Dolby TRUEHD sounded real good).

Anything comes up, I will post. Happy so far, for now.
post #3868 of 7056
I'm sitting with a brand new 73" Diamond Mits, a 2550 and 3600 (both in the box) wondering which one to open. I'm not sure about BB return policy. I have had them for over a week. I keep waiting for a decent review, or someone to discover the truth about the Reon chip. It would be a little work but I could get an ethernet cable to the machine. The p3600 is faster loading, supposedly streams content off your desktop, needs no update, what if the picture is even better? Grrrrr...
I called sammy cust service regarding the Reon chip, they had no clue, kicked me up to 2nd level service, some young kid with a lot of opinion but no facts told me not to listen to those whiney forum people that start unfounded rumors and create trouble. If it were him, he would go with the newer one cuz it's cool. And they all produce the same picture because it's digital, 1080P. Someone along the way did suggest I get connected to a tech in a sammy repair shop, since they would have the repair training and specs. Had trouble finding a phone number though. Someone in sammy service actually told me those are new, and there aren't any in the shop yet. I know I've seen postings for people with bad machines. I guess that probably works for the average consumer though. I'm leaning towards taking the 3600 back, I can always pick another up, probably cheaper. I have no need for both.
post #3869 of 7056
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Originally Posted by RTK View Post

without taking this thread of course, is there a release date for the 3600 and what are the differences from the 2500?

The Silicon Optix HQV is the difference for a lot of people including me who have a large dvd collection.

I ran extensive tests between my TivoHD and 2550 netflix streaming. The 2550 has better picture.

The new samsung have wifi dongle. There is no difference between 2550 and 2500.
post #3870 of 7056
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Originally Posted by mokopny View Post

I'm sitting with a brand new 73" Diamond Mits, a 2550 and 3600 (both in the box) wondering which one to open. I'm not sure about BB return policy. I have had them for over a week. I keep waiting for a decent review, or someone to discover the truth about the Reon chip. It would be a little work but I could get an ethernet cable to the machine. The p3600 is faster loading, supposedly streams content off your desktop, needs no update, what if the picture is even better? Grrrrr...
I called sammy cust service regarding the Reon chip, they had no clue, kicked me up to 2nd level service, some young kid with a lot of opinion but no facts told me not to listen to those whiney forum people that start unfounded rumors and create trouble. If it were him, he would go with the newer one cuz it's cool. And they all produce the same picture because it's digital, 1080P. Someone along the way did suggest I get connected to a tech in a sammy repair shop, since they would have the repair training and specs. Had trouble finding a phone number though. Someone in sammy service actually told me those are new, and there aren't any in the shop yet. I know I've seen postings for people with bad machines. I guess that probably works for the average consumer though. I'm leaning towards taking the 3600 back, I can always pick another up, probably cheaper. I have no need for both.

Typically Best Buy will allow you 30 days to return, regardless of the reason.
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