2008 LG XXLG70 Thread - Page 20

Originally Posted by dirtdiver70

Hey Everyone,
Thanks for the forum. Had the LG for 3 weeks and very happy and purchasing at Futureshop. Only one issue and I would like to see if anyone has a similar issue on their 70's.

Along the bottom edge where the LCD screen and the frame meet I have a white/translucent glue line (i thinK) that looks poorly finished. At one point it's breaks and there is 1/4 of the strip protruding up into the screen. Tried pulling at it just to test and it was strong enough to not break with tweezers. Anyone else notice this? I'm within my 30 day return policy and am thinking about returning for another unit.

Only factors against the return are that it's wallmounted (effort, sigh) and I don't want a unit that could be more faulty (hdmi port issues, dead pixels ect).

Thoughts? Responses?

Thanks.

PS. Overall would recommend this TV to anyone. Great unit.

Originally Posted by HomieDaClown

I've read that countless Radeon HD 4xxx owners are disappointed with the image on their HDTV's. Switch to an Nvidia card and I'm sure your problems will go away.

Originally Posted by Sephious

I'm almost positive of this. Virtually all the problems I can find with HDMI output to HDTVs are with HD4xxx series cards. Really disappointing, considering the fact that I was very happy to finally be able to purchase an ATI card worth owning again.

Even worse is the fact that most people, myself included, are going to blame the problem on the TV rather than the videocard as it being the videocard doesn't even make sense.


It's possible to find a perfect one, but it's definitely not worth the effort if the defect you have is incredibly tiny. The Toshiba 40RV525U I have now has no defects whatsoever. No uniformity issues, no dead pixels, no physical defects, and everything seems to work as it should.

Originally Posted by Sephious

I'm almost positive of this. Virtually all the problems I can find with HDMI output to HDTVs are with HD4xxx series cards. Really disappointing, considering the fact that I was very happy to finally be able to purchase an ATI card worth owning again.

Even worse is the fact that most people, myself included, are going to blame the problem on the TV rather than the videocard as it being the videocard doesn't even make sense.


It's possible to find a perfect one, but it's definitely not worth the effort if the defect you have is incredibly tiny. The Toshiba 40RV525U I have now has no defects whatsoever. No uniformity issues, no dead pixels, no physical defects, and everything seems to work as it should.

Originally Posted by rrj_gamz

I'm not sure about the videocard problem, but I guess I'll find out...I just bought this and was going to buy the Toshiba you just got, but BB had a package deal (42", 360 & install) and I'll sell the 360 as I don't need another version of games so I'll be getting a sweet deal...I'll be setting this up later tonight/tomorrow...This is going in my bedroom so I won't be watching it alot but when i do, I want it to look perfect...now I need an new receiver, etc...

Originally Posted by CharleyCross

There is one problem with this set, though. Sometimes I find myself being so impressed with the image it's displaying that I get distracted from the content of what I'm actually viewing!

Originally Posted by lofar

Have you guys looked thoroughly at the cables you're using? Cable quality/brand shouldn't matter but there have been several HDMI specs released over the past couple of years. The set says it's version 1.3, I'm wondering if maybe these are older version 1.2 cables that are being used? v1.2 cables support 1080p but don't have the badwidth to support deep color of 24p or a lot of the new features. I would imagine that it's possible for the xbox and TV to sync at v1.3 over a 1.2 cable but then to have the 1.2 cable fail when they try to push that much data. That would also explain why 1080i and 720p work fine because the data rate on those is half of what 1080p is and probably 1/4 what 1080p with 24p and deep color is. It might also explain why it may work fine for a while but then fail with lines or other problems, as long as the source data is relatively low and the system is able to compress it for instance on a mostly black motionless screen but then when the source jumps to fast motion or a scene with a lot of color the cable fails again.

Just a thought.

Originally Posted by recklessftw

So the 360/hdmi/1080p issue is a TV problem from what I read??

I'm not sure... if I use the official Microsoft HDMI cable, I can send 1080p. If I use the $9 cable from our local place, it doesn't work....

Going to try some higher quality cable to see if that fixes it, otherwise I might just return the set, I only have 15 days to get a full refund and 30 days for in-store credit.

Originally Posted by LCDSareKING

-Nothing against your attempt at trouble shooting as it would make sense on the surface and that is what this forum is about but.... CABLE manufacturing companies that label 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 are just playing marketing games/tricks with people that follow ONLY spec sheets!!!! I will yell that all the way back to the front door of the companies that post that stuff. There is a website that ran tests with signal meters attached to a $7 china-cheap grade HDMI cable, a $25 mid grade HDMI cable, and a MONSTER $100 HDMI premium cable and all were able to pass test signals up to so many Mhz which was the equal of video sent at 1440p and 7.1 surround simultaneously down the barrel. The last thing noted is that the ONLY few things you might loose is less QC hands on, cheaper rubber/plastics used, maybe interference at distances over 10 feet, and a guaranty. Its not like they're adding more pin heads to the HDMI connector. The only pin heads being added are in marketing....bazzzzing!!! My .02 LOL

Originally Posted by dirtdiver70

Along the bottom edge where the LCD screen and the frame meet I have a white/translucent glue line (i thinK) that looks poorly finished. At one point it's breaks and there is 1/4 of the strip protruding up into the screen. Tried pulling at it just to test and it was strong enough to not break with tweezers. Anyone else notice this? I'm within my 30 day return policy and am thinking about returning for another unit.

Originally Posted by LCDSareKING

a nice read I found digging in the archives of the WWW.

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/field-not...ble-266616.php

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/hdmi-cabl...t-2-268788.php

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2007/07/th...r_cable_2.html

Originally Posted by ultraP

I got the 47LG70 several months ago when Fry's had it on sale for 1199. My old TV was a 36" HD Panasonic CRT which I owned for 5 years. After having had the TVs set-up side by side and performing countless tests, here's the bottom line:

For sports, cartoons and gaming (console or PC), the LCD has the upper hand. Sports especially look incredible. The 47LG70 does support 1920x1080 over VGA cable and it's perfect - looks better and sharper than over HDMI.

However, movies have been a huge disappointment. The black levels are really poor (non-existent compared the the CRT, really) and the TV has a really bad soap opera effect. I gave up on watching movies on this thing altogether. All I could think about while watching movies was the poor picture quality.

One thing that was discussed here which I also noticed is the audio lag with a home theater audio system. One workaround that works well for me is to leave the input on my receiver set to TV and let the audio flow thru the TV as opposed to going directly from the HD source (sat, dvd) to the receiver. The TV image processing seems to be introducing a delay but as long as you always route the audio thru the TV it seems to adjust for the delay and video/audio are in perfect sync.

In summary, the LCDs seem to have a long way to go before they get even close to picture quality of a traditional CRT when it comes to movies. I have regrets about making the purchase. Should've waited a couple more years for the LED gen.

Originally Posted by taylor34

Why don't you turn off the soap opera effect during movies if it bothers you?

Originally Posted by ultraP

LOL that cracked me up. Wish it was that simple! The "soap opera" effect is not something you can turn on and off in a menu. It's a term used to describe a "side-effect" of some LCD TVs which makes movies look like they were shot with a cheap handycam. The lighting looks artificial and generally the picture has a "soap opera" like appearance.

Originally Posted by HomieDaClown

Do you even own an LG70? I can turn off TruMotion "soap opera effect" in the menu and I'm sure every 120Hz LG70 owner can do the same.

Originally Posted by ultraP

OK my bad on the soap opera effect...I thought it was the RealCinema setting which I did have set to OFF. With TruMotion=OFF, the soap opera effect is gone! Thanks!

Now, is there a MAGIC OPTION that enables BLACK color? Cause with "Black Level" set to Low or High and regardless of the level of Backlight (even at 0), all I'm seeing is shades of gray... The Star Wars scenes that take place in "space" look like someone poured a glass of milk all over the night sky...

Originally Posted by ultraP

One thing that was discussed here which I also noticed is the audio lag with a home theater audio system. One workaround that works well for me is to leave the input on my receiver set to TV and let the audio flow thru the TV as opposed to going directly from the HD source (sat, dvd) to the receiver. The TV image processing seems to be introducing a delay but as long as you always route the audio thru the TV it seems to adjust for the delay and video/audio are in perfect sync.

Originally Posted by lofar

So I think i figured out the audio problem with the TIVO. Apparenly you're not supposed to get those sounds when playing video streams with dolby digital audio because the tivo can't interject noise into the dolby digital stream. Though it doesn't quite explain why I get scratching in the audio instead of just no sound at all.


Now my new problem this morning when the sun hit it just right. There are a bunch of small dimples in the bezel almost like someone threw rocks at the bezel or something. And it's not just one, there's three in the middle of the left size, one on the side of the left side that looks like it was dropped and a bunch accross the bottom. Ugh, is this standard for these sets? Anyone else see this? You can only really see it if you have like reflecting from the sides and you look at an off angle.

Originally Posted by lofar

There are a bunch of small dimples in the bezel almost like someone threw rocks at the bezel or something. And it's not just one, there's three in the middle of the left size, one on the side of the left side that looks like it was dropped and a bunch accross the bottom. Ugh, is this standard for these sets? Anyone else see this?

Originally Posted by CharleyCross

This is a pure guess on my part, but it would seem that TruMotion takes some serious computation to create the interpolated frames, and I could see that introducing a lag in the image relative to the sound.

Originally Posted by ultraP

OK my bad on the soap opera effect...I thought it was the RealCinema setting which I did have set to OFF. With TruMotion=OFF, the soap opera effect is gone! Thanks!

Now, is there a MAGIC OPTION that enables BLACK color? Cause with "Black Level" set to Low or High and regardless of the level of Backlight (even at 0), all I'm seeing is shades of gray... The Star Wars scenes that take place in "space" look like someone poured a glass of milk all over the night sky...

Originally Posted by lofar

Well, my conversation with LG did not go well.

The sound issue, they said they don't have any documented problems like that. They can send a technician out and if they don't find the problem or find it is a problem with something else they will charge me.

As for the dimples in the bezel, they said it is cosmetic and is not covered under warranty.

I think i'm returning this for a refund and buying another brand. That's really lame.