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post #61 of 1830
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Originally Posted by Richard Paul View Post

Just a thought but it would be nice to get some high resolution pictures of the major components on the circuit board so we can see everything used in this DVD player. Someone has taken a picture of the insides of the player but the only thing that could be made out was the main chip.

I second the motion...
Now to get some one to do it.
post #62 of 1830
Well that explains hair-strand-gate...

I actually tried one of the early zoran vaddis equipped toshiba's (wasn't zoran a bond villan played by Christopher walken?). Seems to me secrets actually gave one of them a decent review.
Picture quality was good. Sharp image. Bright, bold color.
Flaws were poor deinterlacing (jaggies all over) some mild pixel cropping, and one major freezing issue. Movie playback would literally freeze, just stop, EVERY time I watched a film.

I remember liking the player and picture enough to want to keep it but the freezing was a deal breaker... The fact that most zoran equipped players had a 'history' of the same problem didn't inspire confidence in me either.

One thing I will say though- my experience with the zoran is what convinced me that upconversion wasn't just snake oil. It was the job it did with DVD that eventually led me to the oppo 980 and my hd a3.
In fact I never thought the oppo was all that great (my TV uses mediatek, so the 980 image was familiar), I kept it mainly for CD playback. The a3 does all my movie watching.

Looks like the real big deal with the xde is the branding...
post #63 of 1830
I just tried this region free hack for a different toshiba dvd player from videohelp.com and it worked and I'm currently watching a region 2 pal disc on the XD-E500.


XXX.videohelp.com/dvdhacks/toshiba-sd570sa/7379


I don't have enough posts yet to post a link so I replaced the www with XXX.




edit: I just checked a region 0 pal disc and a region 4 pal disc and they also both player after using this hack.


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Region code hack posted by Miesepies, May 10 2008:
Found out the below hack from the 5970 works on the 570 too.

This was succesfully done on a SD-570SR (yes, the player listed here is 570SA).

Codefree via remote control:

- open the tray
- type 2403960
- press 9
- close the tray
- turn the player off and back on again

It should now play all regions. Tested with region 1,2 and 3 discs.
post #64 of 1830
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Originally Posted by rockden View Post

I just tried this region free hack for a different toshiba dvd player from videohelp.com and it worked and I'm currently watching a region 2 pal disc on the XD-E500.


XXX.videohelp.com/dvdhacks/toshiba-sd570sa/7379


I don't have enough posts yet to post a link so I replaced the www with XXX.




edit: I just checked a region 0 pal disc and a region 4 pal disc and they also both player after using this hack.


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Region code hack posted by Miesepies, May 10 2008:
Found out the below hack from the 5970 works on the 570 too.

This was succesfully done on a SD-570SR (yes, the player listed here is 570SA).

Codefree via remote control:

- open the tray
- type 2403960
- press 9
- close the tray
- turn the player off and back on again

It should now play all regions. Tested with region 1,2 and 3 discs.

Serious?? Does it stay region-free after turning it off??

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks/toshiba-sd570sa/7379
post #65 of 1830
Im a little confused, I understand at 150 this device is excellent.

But does this device with sharpen add ringing? I use HD DVE with my algolith flea which does noise reduction and detail enhancement and turning it up over 3 results in noticeable ringing on the pattern, I would be surprised if this device sharpens without ringing compared to a dedicated processor like the flea from algolith.

For those that compare the xa2 using the color mode did you turn color up on the xa2?

Also couldnt i achieve by adjusting color on my projector.


I would say the holy grail is an ABT, reon, or quedo, device for scaling, and an Algolith flea. I have an a35 with the abt chip, with the flea and noise reduction on the flea is like no other, it actually works without removing detail but settings need to remain low. It leaves the picture looking incredibly clean, like a window. The algolith processor like the flea are there own dedicated processor however to noise reduction, detail enhancement.
post #66 of 1830
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Originally Posted by plissken99 View Post

So it sounds like if you already have an XA2 there is no need to get one of these. One thing strange in Dougs review though. Why was the sharpness on the RS1 on at all? It's common knowledge on pretty much any display that the sharpness be off or in the lowest position.

As a benqw5000 owner this is not the case. After firmware upgrade the sharpness setting was adjusted. Sharpness using DVE pattern can be turned up until the point of ringing in the image.

Many w5000 have it at 6 and there is no ringing. Before the firmware it was 0, the picture looks the same but needed to be adjusted for some reason something happened after the firmware upgrade.
post #67 of 1830
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Originally Posted by MidnightWatcher View Post

Serious?? Does it stay region-free after turning it off??

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks/toshiba-sd570sa/7379

Yes, it has stayed hacked after turning it off for me so far.
post #68 of 1830
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Originally Posted by sage11x View Post

Well that explains hair-strand-gate...

Looks like the real big deal with the xde is the branding...

No, it's not the branding. It's the software that Toshiba is using to implement the sharpness/contrast/color tweaks. There is something real going on there. Alot goes beond the chipset used.
post #69 of 1830
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Originally Posted by Murilo View Post

Im a little confused, I understand at 150 this device is excellent.

But does this device with sharpen add ringing? I use HD DVE with my algolith flea which does noise reduction and detail enhancement and turning it up over 3 results in noticeable ringing on the pattern, I would be surprised if this device sharpens without ringing compared to a dedicated processor like the flea from algolith.

For those that compare the xa2 using the color mode did you turn color up on the xa2?

Also couldnt i achieve by adjusting color on my projector.


I would say the holy grail is an ABT, reon, or quedo, device for scaling, and an Algolith flea. I have an a35 with the abt chip, with the flea and noise reduction on the flea is like no other, it actually works without removing detail but settings need to remain low. It leaves the picture looking incredibly clean, like a window. The algolith processor like the flea are there own dedicated processor however to noise reduction, detail enhancement.

I don't see ringing. I also tried the XA2 and it was impossible to get the same effect with the color adjustments. I am sure Toshiba had access to many more adjustments than I. You can really screw up the image in the XA2. Maybe that's why Toshiba gave so few choices- save Joe Average from himself. However, maybe a Reon based XDE is in the cards if this one sells well.

At the end of VHS, Toshiba had arguably the best VCR ever on the planet which contained a similar set of interesting tweaks like this (M series) and was so pleasing to the eye that I bought three of them for the slew of movies I had on VHS. Maybe the same will occur with DVD as it reaches the end of its turn?
post #70 of 1830
Can someone please check to see if this player up converts dvd backups via component video. Thanks
post #71 of 1830
Quote:
Originally Posted by rockden View Post

I just tried this region free hack for a different toshiba dvd player from videohelp.com and it worked and I'm currently watching a region 2 pal disc on the XD-E500.


XXX.videohelp.com/dvdhacks/toshiba-sd570sa/7379


I don't have enough posts yet to post a link so I replaced the www with XXX.




edit: I just checked a region 0 pal disc and a region 4 pal disc and they also both player after using this hack.


----------------------------------------------------------
Region code hack posted by Miesepies, May 10 2008:
Found out the below hack from the 5970 works on the 570 too.

This was succesfully done on a SD-570SR (yes, the player listed here is 570SA).

Codefree via remote control:

- open the tray
- type 2403960
- press 9
- close the tray
- turn the player off and back on again

It should now play all regions. Tested with region 1,2 and 3 discs.

Thats good to hear. Now, if only it would pillar-box 4:3 material it would be ideal for watching my collection of Britcoms.
post #72 of 1830
I'm interested to hear how this player compares with the Panasonic S97 which, for me, has been the benchmark player for several years and that I always end up returning to after trying others.
post #73 of 1830
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Originally Posted by Murilo View Post

Im a little confused, I understand at 150 this device is excellent.

From everything I've read so far the player is far from excellent and overpriced. It uses a two year old decoder with sharpness and color turned all the way up.

The only people who are saying it looks great are the one who view their set with the vivid setting on or have no way to do a real comparison. I have yet to read anyone sticking in an HQV disc and running it through the tests.
post #74 of 1830
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Originally Posted by almostinsane View Post


The only people who are saying it looks great are the one who view their set with the vivid setting on or have no way to do a real comparison. I have yet to read anyone sticking in an HQV disc and running it through the tests.

Why do you promote these false notions? I have three HD set ups and none of them are set to vivid. I have hundreds of HD source materials. I know what EE ringing looks like. I really hate DNR.

I like what the E500 does for DVDS.
post #75 of 1830
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Originally Posted by almostinsane View Post

The only people who are saying it looks great are the one who view their set with the vivid setting on or have no way to do a real comparison.

Say wha? I think you're almost... insane!
post #76 of 1830
I went ahead and bought the player this morning from CC. It is going back tomorrow. I view through a Samsung LN-37A450 TV that I have calibrated with my eyeone display using HCFR. No difference compared to my Sony NS700H player. Watching a variety of movies showed a slight purple shift in color. The user interface is sparse. A $30 DVD player has a better menu. The sharp control does do some good but it's not worth the difference in price (IMHO) . Maybe I had a bad unit, but what a let down. I was hoping for something better from Toshiba.

I believe in what Toshiba is trying to do in giving people with large collections of DVD's the ability to enjoy them longer without having to buy the same movies again in BD. The cost savings is in NOT having to re-purchase the movies, not so much the cost the player. The execution of this is what is lacking. They should have invested more in quality processors and a better user interface, even if it would add some to the cost of the player.
post #77 of 1830
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Originally Posted by MidnightWatcher View Post

Say wha? I think you're almost... insane!

lol, probably, or just wrong. It's just what I've gathered from the posts in the 3 or so threads on this player. Maybe I was just expecting too much from it.
post #78 of 1830
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Originally Posted by keyoctave View Post

I believe in what Toshiba is trying to do in giving people with large collections of DVD's the ability to enjoy them longer without having to buy the same movies again in BD. The cost savings is in NOT having to re-purchase the movies, not so much the cost the player. The execution of this is what is lacking. They should have invested more in quality processors and a better user interface, even if it would add some to the cost of the player.

But hasnt this already been done by others anyway? I guess they were trying to do it in a low priced unit, which means they cant afford to spend on upmarket processors and such without competing with already established and well reviewed units.
post #79 of 1830
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Originally Posted by keyoctave View Post

I went ahead and bought the player this morning from CC. It is going back tomorrow. I view through a Samsung LN-37A450 TV that I have calibrated with my eyeone display using HCFR. No difference compared to my Sony NS700H player. Watching a variety of movies showed a slight purple shift in color. The user interface is sparse. A $30 DVD player has a better menu. The sharp control does do some good but it's not worth the difference in price (IMHO) . Maybe I had a bad unit, but what a let down. I was hoping for something better from Toshiba.

I believe in what Toshiba is trying to do in giving people with large collections of DVD's the ability to enjoy them longer without having to buy the same movies again in BD. The cost savings is in NOT having to re-purchase the movies, not so much the cost the player. The execution of this is what is lacking. They should have invested more in quality processors and a better user interface, even if it would add some to the cost of the player.

No offense, but I don't think you are going to get much differences from any player on a 37" screen.
post #80 of 1830
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Originally Posted by almostinsane View Post


The only people who are saying it looks great are the one who view their set with the vivid setting on or have no way to do a real comparison. I have yet to read anyone sticking in an HQV disc and running it through the tests.

Wrong. I have this player and am still playing around with it. So far it looks like I am going to keep it. All my display settings are at the movie/no edgehancement setting. My Samsung is set at Movie 1 (I hate DNIE so it is off), Panasonic ae2000 at color 1, my ax-200 at cinema 1 and I adjust if needed the brightness, contrast etc based on DVE. My biggest issue with DVD's are the low resolution and blurriness and this player seems to help in this regard.
post #81 of 1830
One thing I've noticed in these kinds of PQ debates is that those of us using Panasonic front projectors almost always achieve better results on whatever new source you throw at it (Is it their Smooth Screen technology?).

It doesn't surprise me that some of the better reviews for the XDE come from people who have auditioned them on Panny FPs.
post #82 of 1830
I bought this dvd player today to compare it to my Samsung BD-P2550 which has the HQV processor in it. The XD-E500 is not any good. I prefer the DVD playback on the P2550. These are the reasons why that I'm going to return it the XD-E500:
1. No dvd resume (which is very important to me)
2. No time reading on the LED display.
3. I feel that the pic mode settings makes the dvd pq detail worse. The sharp mode causes to much sharpness. The color mode adds too much color. The contrast mode makes the image more gray.
4. I hate it when I have to change pic modes in different scences in the same movie.
5. No pillerboxing for 4x3 dvds.
post #83 of 1830
Thread Starter 
those of you enchanted by the XDE... you realize you can get the same results by buying a el cheapo dvd player than adding sharpness on your tv, noise reduction and contrast enhancer right?? XDE dvd player does not have any new magic pq enhancement. I feel sorry for you for some of the suckers that actually thing this thing makes a sharper picture than your oppo.
post #84 of 1830
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Originally Posted by Goatse View Post

those of you enchanted by the XDE... you realize you can get the same results by buying a el cheapo dvd player than adding sharpness on your tv, noise reduction and contrast enhancer right?? XDE dvd player does not have any new magic pq enhancement. I feel sorry for you for some of the suckers that actually thing this thing makes a sharper picture than your oppo.

Let them draw their own conclusions, know-it-all.
post #85 of 1830
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Originally Posted by Goatse View Post

those of you enchanted by the XDE... you realize you can get the same results by buying a el cheapo dvd player than adding sharpness on your tv, noise reduction and contrast enhancer right?? XDE dvd player does not have any new magic pq enhancement. I feel sorry for you for some of the suckers that actually thing this thing makes a sharper picture than your oppo.

Why are you so angry that others disagree with you on this issue? A bit insecure perhaps?
post #86 of 1830
post #87 of 1830
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Originally Posted by Goatse View Post

those of you enchanted by the XDE... you realize you can get the same results by buying a el cheapo dvd player than adding sharpness on your tv, noise reduction and contrast enhancer right?? XDE dvd player does not have any new magic pq enhancement. I feel sorry for you for some of the suckers that actually thing this thing makes a sharper picture than your oppo.

Okay after extended viewing with the xd-e500 and oppo 971 I have decided to keep the toshiba. I finally was able to get the Toshiba to work with my Terk 3x1 switcher (after trying a different hdmi cable) and have the PS3, Oppo 971 and XD-e500 hooked up to my samsung sp-h710 dlp (720p) projector on a 92inch screen sitting about 12-13 feet away. Call me crazy but I like the sharpness feature on this player. I watched the last half of Munich on the toshiba first and then put it in the Oppo for comparison. The very last scene where the two agents are walking along the shore with the buildings in the background the picture appeared more 3 dimensional on the xd-e500. The picture was smoother on the Oppo "I guess this is what is considered more filmlike" however to me it appeared slightly out of focus and flatter. I did notice on the Toshiba that there were a few scenes where I noticed some graininess/noise to the picture no doubt being applied by the sharpness feature. It was never distracting enough to the point that it bothered me. The picture also seems slightly brighter on the toshiba compared to the oppo which is nice as the Samsung is a little dim. I guess you really need to go with what your eyes and brain are telling you and not get caught up in specs, test patterns and chipsets. I havent really messed with the color or contrast modes however the limited time I spent with them I didnt like. Ill probably only use the sharpness feature. I figure I have the best of both worlds. I can always fall back on the Oppo if I ever get that feeling that the picture is unnatural or too sharp.

Also I know there has been talk about this player having trouble playing DVD-r's. I havent had any problems and have watched two complete movies and tested at least 20 other DVD-r's fast fowarding, freezing etc. with no problems at all.
post #88 of 1830
This has been the current trend in digital photography so now too is it for video:



http://www.athentech.com/set_main.html
post #89 of 1830
Ever notice that in some films night scenes are easy to view because the director used certain lighting techniques to obtain the detail he/she wanted - artificial or what? If the lighting hadn't been used we wouldn't be able to see much, if anything at all! In fact some night time scenes use "inadequate lighting" and appear murky and you strain to make out anything at all. There is nothing "natural" when it comes to film or photography - processing is a fact of life. All the photos you see in magazines are "altered" and all the movies we see are "changed" to some extent depending on what the director wanted. With gamma correction you can now make those changes yourself - depending on your tastes. Now you have some choice rather than relying on someone else's. Interesting that one of the big selling points of JVC's front projector the RS2 is that it has gamma correction - many hardcore videophiles are making their own changes to how they think their movies should look in their particular home theatres. The purist is often left sitting watching a murky presentation and clinging to the fact it was the director's intent that he suffer so.
post #90 of 1830
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Originally Posted by Blacklac View Post

No offense, but I don't think you are going to get much differences from any player on a 37" screen.

Agreed. I prefer much larger displays for any opinion worth its salt.
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