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post #2521 of 2778
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Originally Posted by bass excavator View Post
I myself are not concerned with the HDMI board on the 906. As a few of you read my posts I am running Multichannel Direct 7.1 LPCM. I have a Samsung 7.1 player that does excellent upconversion. The bigger plan for me is to soon buy an Oppo 93 SE (specially made for analogue hookup) and go from there.

Thus for myself I am going for discreet 7.1 with no possible compromises. I am also soon to be ordering an SVS PB 13 Ultra so LFE will be zero problem.

The amp on the 906 is the same carryover as the 5008. I suggest to all that you must focus on your power supply, especially when reference type speakers are in the play. That is what will give you top performance. The 906/5008 toroidal amp is the best in the AVR business or at least tied with the top. After that you would go to Emotivas and I would run a preamp with the amps and not an AVR. I myself am very pleased with the performance of my system including the effortless power of the 906. No loss for clean power out of this beast of a unit.
I recently got the oppo 93 and the sound is incredible, but I do wonder if I can get better with the analog outs. How does the 906 handle analog. I.E. does it apply bass management for the LFE (my understanding is that the LFE needs to be increased by 10db in analog as the discs are authored 10bd low on the LFE to prevent digital clipping. In the HDMI, the AVR automatically adds 10db, is the same true for analog in the 906?)

I previously had a yamaha which I used the analog inputs, and had to manually adjust the LFE to correct for the 10db.

Also, can you use any of the surround modes available to the digital inputs?
post #2522 of 2778
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Originally Posted by heavy-b View Post

I recently got the oppo 93 and the sound is incredible, but I do wonder if I can get better with the analog outs. How does the 906 handle analog. I.E. does it apply bass management for the LFE (my understanding is that the LFE needs to be increased by 10db in analog as the discs are authored 10bd low on the LFE to prevent digital clipping. In the HDMI, the AVR automatically adds 10db, is the same true for analog in the 906?)

I previously had a yamaha which I used the analog inputs, and had to manually adjust the LFE to correct for the 10db.

Also, can you use any of the surround modes available to the digital inputs?

Hey heavy b

Here is the long and the short of it. Firstly let me tell you my settings. I have the system bass management on my Samsung to "small" on the speakers setting. On the 906 I have the system set to FULLBAND for the center and front mains. The subwoofer is obviously YES. My surrounds are set to 80hz (THX). LPF of LFE is 120hz. Doublebass is ON.

Equalizer is MultEQ XT. All individual settings on equalizer are flat.
On the THX Audio Setup....Loudness Plus is set to ON.

On LFE level menu all settings are left at flat...0db including Multich PCM.

On Tone Control Menu all values are flat...0db.
On the Analog Multich menu, Subwoofer Input Sensitivity is flat....0db.

On Input/Output Assign.....Analog Audio Input is....DVD.

On the Speakers output the subwoofer is set to minus 5db. I did NOT boost any sub in these settings...in fact I lowered it. I am running a Paradigm DSP-3400 sub. This is a no nonsense powerful sub but not an SVS Ultra 13 which I am planning to soon get. At these settings the LFE is very powerful and clean. I have cranked the system louder than I could sit through a movie and NO clipping was heard. No artifacting on the sub.

As I said in my earlier post weather you can hear the difference between HDMI or 7.1 analogue is of no concern to me. The most "audiophile" or discreet hook up is 8 individual cables running from the discreet outputs of the AVR to the discreet inputs of the bluray player. I have read that one person had some noise crosstalk interference or something on his audio running HDMI audio using another type of AVR and by switching to analogue his interference was instantly gone.

The Oppo you have is arguably the best bluray player on the market which is why I am looking to buy the SE version and forget the rest.

If I had bought the Denon 5805 or some crazy ultra monster like that I would still be running the unit using analogue. On the 906 screen when you watch a movie with the analogue setting it will read "Multichannel Direct". The only other option is Pure Audio, which is not needed since I like to see where I am on my screen.

Lastly, all surround modes are available on analogue as well. I tried them all.

Hope this helps all who read.

The 906 power supply is second to none in the AVR market and posseses lethal power. I do not need any external amps for my system.
post #2523 of 2778
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Originally Posted by bass excavator View Post

The bigger plan for me is to soon buy an Oppo 93 SE (specially made for analogue hookup) and go from there.

There is no such thing as a Oppo BDP-93SE, they have the BDP-93 and if you want to move up, then there is the BDP-95.

http://www.oppodigital.com/players.asp

The main analog output advantage to the BDP-95, is for using the dedicated analog stereo only outputs with it's SABER ES9018 DAC, either with it's RCA or XLR analog stereo output connections. And the 7.1 analog ouputs on the BDP-95, use the SABER ES9018 DAC.
post #2524 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

There is no such thing as a Oppo BDP-93SE, they have the BDP-93 and if you want to move up, then there is the BDP-95.

http://www.oppodigital.com/players.asp

The main analog output advantage to the BDP-95, is for using the dedicated analog stereo only outputs with it's SABER ES9018 DAC, either with it's RCA or XLR analog stereo output connections. And the 7.1 analog ouputs on the BDP-95, use the SABER ES9018 DAC.

The 95 is new. Oppo had for awhile 93SE with the high speed DACs that looked exactly like 93 but was called 93SE (Special Edition)
post #2525 of 2778
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Originally Posted by haloguy628 View Post

The 95 is new. Oppo had for awhile 93SE with the high speed DACs that looked exactly like 93 but was called 93SE (Special Edition)

No, Oppo has NOT ever had or offered a 93SE, they did however offer a 83SE.

Both the BDP-93 and BDP-95 are brand new models that were just recently released. The 93 came out just a bit before Xmas 2010, and the 95 came out about a month or so ago.
post #2526 of 2778
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Originally Posted by bass excavator View Post

Hey heavy b

Here is the long and the short of it. Firstly let me tell you my settings. I have the system bass management on my Samsung to "small" on the speakers setting. On the 906 I have the system set to FULLBAND for the center and front mains. The subwoofer is obviously YES. My surrounds are set to 80hz (THX). LPF of LFE is 120hz. Doublebass is ON.

Equalizer is MultEQ XT. All individual settings on equalizer are flat.
On the THX Audio Setup....Loudness Plus is set to ON.

On LFE level menu all settings are left at flat...0db including Multich PCM.

On Tone Control Menu all values are flat...0db.
On the Analog Multich menu, Subwoofer Input Sensitivity is flat....0db.

On Input/Output Assign.....Analog Audio Input is....DVD.

On the Speakers output the subwoofer is set to minus 5db. I did NOT boost any sub in these settings...in fact I lowered it. I am running a Paradigm DSP-3400 sub. This is a no nonsense powerful sub but not an SVS Ultra 13 which I am planning to soon get. At these settings the LFE is very powerful and clean. I have cranked the system louder than I could sit through a movie and NO clipping was heard. No artifacting on the sub.

As I said in my earlier post weather you can hear the difference between HDMI or 7.1 analogue is of no concern to me. The most "audiophile" or discreet hook up is 8 individual cables running from the discreet outputs of the AVR to the discreet inputs of the bluray player. I have read that one person had some noise crosstalk interference or something on his audio running HDMI audio using another type of AVR and by switching to analogue his interference was instantly gone.

The Oppo you have is arguably the best bluray player on the market which is why I am looking to buy the SE version and forget the rest.

If I had bought the Denon 5805 or some crazy ultra monster like that I would still be running the unit using analogue. On the 906 screen when you watch a movie with the analogue setting it will read "Multichannel Direct". The only other option is Pure Audio, which is not needed since I like to see where I am on my screen.

Lastly, all surround modes are available on analogue as well. I tried them all.

Hope this helps all who read.

The 906 power supply is second to none in the AVR market and posseses lethal power. I do not need any external amps for my system.

Thank you for the information!

I agree, the 906 has all the power a person needs.
post #2527 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

No, Oppo has NOT ever had or offered a 93SE, they did however offer a 83SE.

Both the BDP-93 and BDP-95 are brand new models that were just recently released. The 93 came out just a bit before Xmas 2010, and the 95 came out about a month or so ago.

My mistake, you are correct. I was not aware that 93 replaced 83 and 95 replaced the 83 SE.
post #2528 of 2778
I purchased my 906 in September of 08 and just got it out of the box and installed the past December 2010. The unit has been working fine until last week when I lost video signal. The unit is showing "NO Signal". I've checked all of the HDMI cables, changed out the cable box, and tried send the signal through the Sub Out. Still nothing.

From what I've read the unit may have a bad HDMI board. The problem now is that I'm way out of warranty. I contacted a Onkyo service center in Denver and I was told that labor and the board would run close to $600 before freight both ways. So, now it looks like I'm looking at around $700 for repairs on a unit that is essentially 4 months old. Any suggestions would be welcome.

Also, I'm considering just purchasing a remanufactured TX-NR1007, 3007, or 5007. Any thoughts on these receivers?
Thanks,
post #2529 of 2778
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Originally Posted by z10 View Post

I purchased my 906 in September of 08 and just got it out of the box and installed the past December 2010. The unit has been working fine until last week when I lost video signal. The unit is showing "NO Signal". I've checked all of the HDMI cables, changed out the cable box, and tried send the signal through the Sub Out. Still nothing.

From what I've read the unit may have a bad HDMI board. The problem now is that I'm way out of warranty. I contacted a Onkyo service center in Denver and I was told that labor and the board would run close to $600 before freight both ways. So, now it looks like I'm looking at around $700 for repairs on a unit that is essentially 4 months old. Any suggestions would be welcome.

Have you tried to unplug the unit's power-cord? This worked for me a couple of times when my 906 HDMI got in a strange state and lost the video signal.

You can also try to reset the unit to its factory defaults (turn it on and, while holding down the [VCR/DVR] button, press the [Standby/On] button; “Clear” will appear on the display and the AV receiver will enter Standby mode).

If the above do not clear the problem then your HDMI board is toasted (most probably due to receiver generated heat not being able to effectively dissipate). I don't think the repair cost is worth it (compared to the cost of a decent new receiver), but perhaps you can still use the 906 with separate digital audio/component video interfaces or in conjunction with a HDMI switch.
post #2530 of 2778
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Originally Posted by kinemax View Post

Have you tried to unplug the unit's power-cord? This worked for me a couple of times when my 906 HDMI got in a strange state and lost the video signal.

You can also try to reset the unit to its factory defaults (turn it on and, while holding down the [VCR/DVR] button, press the [Standby/On] button; Clear will appear on the display and the AV receiver will enter Standby mode).

If the above do not clear the problem then your HDMI board is toasted (most probably due to receiver generated heat not being able to effectively dissipate). I don't think the repair cost is worth it (compared to the cost of a decent new receiver), but perhaps you can still use the 906 with separate digital audio/component video interfaces or in conjunction with a HDMI switch.

Thanks for the response. Yes I've tried all of your suggestions to no avail. Does anyone have any experience purchasing refurbished units from the Onkyo site? I'm looking at a 5007 and can get a 5year extended warranty for about $90. I've always loved Onkyo. Any thoughts on the 5007?
post #2531 of 2778
Hi. I have purchased TX-NR906 model 2009 and I haven't experience any problem until last sunday. I am using my receiver as my home theater system and my PC is also connected to my receiver as well as my tv. When I turned on my receiver on sunday morning and played some music, all of sudden audio cuts off itself and HDMI indicator and speaker/channel indicator were gone, but receiver was still on and I was able to see my tv screen. I have called Onkyo customer support and they said I should replace my HDMI cable and reset my receiver as well. I have done both. I still have problem when I turn on in the morning after it was turned off for 12 hours but after the receiver turned on for 30 minutes, my receiver don't cut off my audio. Please help! Thank you.
post #2532 of 2778
churchyy by the sounds of it the hdmi board is toast in the 906, you might want to send it in for repair
post #2533 of 2778
TX-NR906 Owner here..

I have a Panasonic 65" (TCP65) DVD player, PS3 slim, PS one and DirecTV box all connected to my unit. When I turn it and the TV on then whatever (doesn't seem to matter which) other device on I get Audio immediately but no video with a consistent (about every 2 secs) skipping as if the unit is cycling through to attain the appropriate resolution. I have the unit set to "Through" in both the Monitor Out and Picture Adjust setting. I have the DVD & DTV PICUTRE through HDMI cable and the SOUND through Toslink. The PS3 is solely HDMI. I have the resolutions in the DTV set to 720p 1080i, & 1080p. I have the PS3 sound settings set to DTS-Master, Dolby Dig, and 92 KHz Bitstream.

Regardless of the device or trying to set the 906 to "Source" I still have to wait almost 5-7mins for the unit to come around to getting a picture. Do realize I CAN pull up the Setup Menu's and SEE for BOTH the TV and the Onkyo. Sound is there but no video as if it's almost warming up. This has been happening in the past month or so. I've Googled and read the manual several times and tried some different things to no avail. I HAVE NOT reset it however, may have to try that depending on the responses I get here.
I think I have covered all the information that one would need if not let me know. I HOPE someone has had either the same or similar problem with one of their units.

Any help or suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
post #2534 of 2778
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Zeta09 View Post
TX-NR906 Owner here..

I have a Panasonic 65" (TCP65) DVD player, PS3 slim, PS one and DirecTV box all connected to my unit. When I turn it and the TV on then whatever (doesn't seem to matter which) other device on I get Audio immediately but no video with a consistent (about every 2 secs) skipping as if the unit is cycling through to attain the appropriate resolution. I have the unit set to "Through" in both the Monitor Out and Picture Adjust setting. I have the DVD & DTV PICUTRE through HDMI cable and the SOUND through Toslink. The PS3 is solely HDMI. I have the resolutions in the DTV set to 720p 1080i, & 1080p. I have the PS3 sound settings set to DTS-Master, Dolby Dig, and 92 KHz Bitstream.

Regardless of the device or trying to set the 906 to "Source" I still have to wait almost 5-7mins for the unit to come around to getting a picture. Do realize I CAN pull up the Setup Menu's and SEE for BOTH the TV and the Onkyo. Sound is there but no video as if it's almost warming up. This has been happening in the past month or so. I've Googled and read the manual several times and tried some different things to no avail. I HAVE NOT reset it however, may have to try that depending on the responses I get here.
I think I have covered all the information that one would need if not let me know. I HOPE someone has had either the same or similar problem with one of their units.

Any help or suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
sounds like your HDMI board is starting to fail... if it's not under warranty, expect $900-1200 for the board replacement...
post #2535 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Jon S
"sounds like your HDMI board is starting to fail... if it's not under warranty, expect $900-1200 for the board replacement..."
JEEEESSSSUUUUUUSSSS!!!! I think I have 3 months left on the warranty. Site lists limited Parts and Labor so I'll see what the service center tells me.

The REAL question is HDMI boards last less than 2 years??? So this is what happens on every reciever?????
post #2536 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Zeta09 View Post
JEEEESSSSUUUUUUSSSS!!!! I think I have 3 months left on the warranty. Site lists limited Parts and Labor so I'll see what the service center tells me.

The REAL question is HDMI boards last less than 2 years??? So this is what happens on every reciever?????
Design flaw and substandard capacitors used.
post #2537 of 2778
Depending on how this scenario plays out.....

Either I am getting a "new" (prob refurbished right?) HDMI board

OR.....

Looking for a new Reciever (which may happen in another 1.5 years anyway since that is the life of the Onkyo HDMI boards sheeesh!!!!). Please direct me towards posts (about HDMI boards) or chime in on suggestions on Recievers that haven't had this problem.

How can one sift through all the hype and hoopla to tell if companies use substandard capacitors and/or poor design?
post #2538 of 2778
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Originally Posted by z10 View Post

Thanks for the response. Yes I've tried all of your suggestions to no avail. Does anyone have any experience purchasing refurbished units from the Onkyo site? I'm looking at a 5007 and can get a 5year extended warranty for about $90. I've always loved Onkyo. Any thoughts on the 5007?

My understanding is that the 5007 is very similar to the 906, with some extra hdmi inputs.

If I were you I would look at the 5008/3008 as they have a significantly improved and updated version of audyssey.
post #2539 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Zeta09 View Post

Depending on how this scenario plays out.....

Either I am getting a "new" (prob refurbished right?) HDMI board

OR.....

Looking for a new Reciever (which may happen in another 1.5 years anyway since that is the life of the Onkyo HDMI boards sheeesh!!!!). Please direct me towards posts (about HDMI boards) or chime in on suggestions on Recievers that haven't had this problem.

How can one sift through all the hype and hoopla to tell if companies use substandard capacitors and/or poor design?

When I bought my 906 roughly two years ago, there was nothing but praise about it. Unfortunately the substandard (made in china and low thermal specs) capacitors heated beyond specs by poor thermal control design took between 12 - 24 months before the HDMI boards started to fail. By then we all bought the receivers because all of these great features and the "value" Onkyo was supposedly giving us. Now I have $1500 paperweight sitting and collecting dust.

What is worst however is that Onkyo turned out to be a company that will not lift a finger to remedy their mistake. This despite the fact that they know that they caused these failures. When my HDMI board failed, I was only couple of weeks past the warranty. Onkyo refused to do anything even after I did some research and found out that it was their design and cheap parts that was causing the failures. I mentioned this fact and they just stopped to reply to my e-mails and flatly told me no when I called them. Same for my suggestion of splitting the cost of the repair.

Ironically I got the best info from their authorized center as they were seeing this sudden rush of failures. They also told me about the mid-model cycle redesign of the HDMI board that Onkyo did to remedy the problem. I would be willing to accept Onkyo refusal if we were dealing with some of the budget models, but the 906 was the top of the line and most expensive receiver at that time.

In the end the cost of the replacement if I paid for it myself, turned out to be close to $1000 so I just decided to go and buy new Denon 4810. This experience also made me determined to never buy any Onkyo product again. The adage "you get what you pay for" turned out to be right on target with Onkyo.

My suggestion is to search forums for warranty dealings and resolution of problems. There may not be very many of those, but the ones that you find will give you insight of what to expect. Then look at the price of repairs for those failures and see if it's worth the risk.

All companies are pretty much build products with obsolesce in mind. In this case their poor engineering caused a disaster and Onkyo passed all the cost of their mistakes and cheapness on the customer. That is a company I don't want to deal with never again. Caveat Emptor.
post #2540 of 2778
Sorry haloguy you had to be forced to go that route. I agree that when you pay so much money you need the product to work perfectly. As many of you who have red my posts I am going 7.1 analogue on my system and let my bluray do the Lossless decoding. Many of you wish to see the words "DTS MSTR" or "True HD" but the sound is exactly the same weather HDMI or 7.1 LPCM. The Samsung 6500c I own decodes just as good as the 906 and for those who want to buy an Oppo then you get better than that.

The 906's power supply is about the best in the business when it comes to AVRs so when you crank up the power you have a Porsche 911 Turbo for power in an AVR. For myself I want the best power supply I can get. IF, for example, I could not get lossless audio reproduction through analogue 7.1 the I would get rid of it in a second but this is not the case.

To depart from the huge toroidal transformer and separate video and audio power supplies just for HDMI throughtput for convenience is getting a bit quick on the draw methinks.

IF my 906 no longer appeals to me for whatever reason I am the type to go for an Emotiva surround sound preamp hooked to a Cinenova Grande 5 poweramp with an absolute MEGA 4kv toroid.

One final note.....Does anybody know how large a transformer the 906 has?
post #2541 of 2778
Well.

I don't know if "price" is off limits here but doing research it'll cost me ~$130-150 to send the unit to Denver from where I'm at. They pay for shipping back according to them. All I need to do is send them the purchase invoice and a description of the problem is what I'm being told. My 2 yr Warranty would expire in Aug of this year.

Seems the choice is let it go and watch it crap out (in what Sept right?) or let them attempt to Dx and replace the board with a refurbished board buying me what I'm guessing will be another year.

Secondly, I suppose I'll start researching how I want to have video played. I guess when looking @ my setup having everything go straight to the TV would be fine but then a mid-range receiver may be overkill just for the audio. Realistically the Onkyo would still be fine for audio as I never had nor do I need it to upconvert the video anyway (usually had it set to Source or Through).

I don't know. I have much to learn then about hybrid setups and configurations. I guess when researching and building my setup I never really figured to have anything other than all the components hooked up to the receiver for both audio and video?

All the reps by the way are much appreciated......
post #2542 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Zeta09 View Post

Well.

I don't know if "price" is off limits here but doing research it'll cost me ~$130-150 to send the unit to Denver from where I'm at. They pay for shipping back according to them. All I need to do is send them the purchase invoice and a description of the problem is what I'm being told. My 2 yr Warranty would expire in Aug of this year.

Seems the choice is let it go and watch it crap out (in what Sept right?) or let them attempt to Dx and replace the board with a refurbished board buying me what I'm guessing will be another year.

Secondly, I suppose I'll start researching how I want to have video played. I guess when looking @ my setup having everything go straight to the TV would be fine but then a mid-range receiver may be overkill just for the audio. Realistically the Onkyo would still be fine for audio as I never had nor do I need it to upconvert the video anyway (usually had it set to Source or Through).

I don't know. I have much to learn then about hybrid setups and configurations. I guess when researching and building my setup I never really figured to have anything other than all the components hooked up to the receiver for both audio and video?

All the reps by the way are much appreciated......

My understanding is that the new HDMI boards that they are using to replace the broken ones are upgraded to (hopefully) last longer. I would send it in for repair and there is a good chance that they will send back a repaired unit that will last for a long time.

HST have you tried using HDMI out number 2? Have you changed HDMI cables and made sure that the cables are securely in place. Try a reset of the unit as well
Why are you using toslink for sound if you are hooked up through HDMI - why not let HDMI provide that sound and video for all units?

Good luck

Brian
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Thread Starter 
our service center is just repairing boards...
post #2544 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Jon S View Post

our service center is just repairing boards...

that sounds promising
post #2545 of 2778
Well, I had my 906 out for repair of the HDMI board for 9 weeks. I've had it back for six and when I tried to turn on the theater this evening, guess what I got? Yup. Nothing. I immediately called Onkyo, who told me that they were only open from 9 - 5 and that I should call back tomorrow. When I brought the pile of junk in for service, it was approaching the end of the warranty. Tomorrow, I'll see what they have to say about replacing it again under warranty even though I'm out.

I'll tell you, if they give me crap or if they can't get it fixed in a couple of days, I'm just aggravated enough to file a class action lawsuit on behalf of the thousands of Onkyo owners who either have been, or will be at some point, victimized by the Chinese garbage that they engineered into this $2000 boat anchor. I need them to fix it since I'm not interested in spending another $2K on a receiver, but this will be the last Onkyo ANYTHING that I buy. You would think I bought it at Harbor Freight.

Maybe they'll swap me for a refurb.... ha, ha.
post #2546 of 2778
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Originally Posted by hlevin268 View Post

, victimized by the Chinese garbage that they engineered into this $2000 boat anchor.

I understand your frustration but why did you have to say something like this? As a Chinese and a 906 user, which by the way has given me 2 years of flawless enjoyment, I found your comment very unfair and offensive.
post #2547 of 2778
I certainly apologize for the offensive comment. Not my intention to disparage anyone. Just a frustrated rant.
post #2548 of 2778
Apologies accepted and I sincerely wish your 906 issue will be resolved as soon as possible.
post #2549 of 2778
Thread Starter 
I heard that the 906 HDMI board requires replacing 14 caps and a voltage regulator to repair...
post #2550 of 2778
I use 906 for more than 2 years without any issues. I was told by Onkyo Engineer that the main issue for the unit is not the cap etc even though he agreed that budget electronic part were used to reduce production cost. It is actually the heat generated caued the problem and especially at the HDMI board. With the high temperature inside the unit, it has greatly reduce the life span of the electronic inside the unit.

I like this onkyo as it is value for money and produce great sound compared with other similar priced AVR. Since the 1st day of using it, I have actually DIY and stick those cheap heat sink produced by "China" onto the chips on the board. With a help of "Sanyo" fans, the temperature of the unit is hardly hit 42 deg C. With high heat, it is matter of time for the electronic to fail even with Japan or European made cap.
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