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post #121 of 619
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Originally Posted by DOMAIN64 View Post

Ok, we will wait for your reporting.

Put on your flame suit.

Paul


The Bland reporting on Theta is like CNN reporting on Palin as VP candidate!!!

Woops. I take it back. Even The Bland is more fair than that!!!???
post #122 of 619
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Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky View Post

The Bland reporting on Theta is like CNN reporting on Palin as VP candidate!!!

Woops. I take it back. Even The Bland is more fair than that!!!???

CNN is relatively fair.. Now Olbermann and Chris Matthews (MSNBC) giving a Palin a fair shake is like Susan Sarandon voting McCain. Go Palin... A McCain win means more HT spending for me... Otherwise, I'll have to go to Home Theater in a Box..
post #123 of 619
As an owner of a CB3 with Xtreme DACs I'm pretty disappointed. Upgrading the DACs alone will cost double what another pro will cost, let alone the cost of the upgrade.

The whole value of my CB3 IS the DACs. If they have to be thrown away, then it's like starting over. Already replaced the DACs once and it's not like there was a trade-in discount.
post #124 of 619
I don't believe your xtreme dacs will need to be upgraded
post #125 of 619
Where did you get the idea you had to upgrade the dacs (beyond a firmware update to d-2 which basically costs nothing)?
post #126 of 619
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Originally Posted by Ian_Currie View Post

As an owner of a CB3 with Xtreme DACs I'm pretty disappointed. Upgrading the DACs alone will cost double what another pro will cost, let alone the cost of the upgrade.

The whole value of my CB3 IS the DACs. If they have to be thrown away, then it's like starting over. Already replaced the DACs once and it's not like there was a trade-in discount.

Ian, your Extreme DACs will work fine with any CB3 HDMI 1.3 upgrade. You have nothing to worry about.
post #127 of 619
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Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky View Post

Ian, your Extreme DACs will work fine with any CB3 HDMI 1.3 upgrade. You have nothing to worry about.

I guess I read the press announcement incorrectly. I remember Theta came out with v2 of the DACs and from the press announcement it sounded like the latest version of the DACs were necessary.

Whew! Thanks for straightening me out. I feel much better now. :-)
post #128 of 619
how do we know if we have extreme D2 versus version 1 and can the firmware be updated with the theta firmware update software or does it require theta to do it?
post #129 of 619
I'm here but unless Theta changed booths... They are a no show!

I have booth 1011 in my planner
post #130 of 619
dog. They are at 469.

No price. Rep not sure if can bitstream lossless. Will require trip to factory. Non powered unit no demo but display had 4 icons dts ms Dolby true hd srs but nothing else. So it may be a prop. 4 in 1 out. Due at Xmas.
post #131 of 619
The Bland:

Are you on roller skates?
post #132 of 619
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Originally Posted by Rickd View Post

how do we know if we have extreme D2 versus version 1 and can the firmware be updated with the theta firmware update software or does it require theta to do it?

The CB3 includes the software for the Extreme D2. When my CB2 was upgraded to CB3 was upgraded in 2005, it was explained that my Extreme DACs were having a software upgrade in the process.
post #133 of 619
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dog. They are at 469.

No price. Rep not sure if can bitstream lossless. Will require trip to factory. Non powered unit no demo but display had 4 icons dts ms Dolby true hd srs but nothing else. So it may be a prop. 4 in 1 out. Due at Xmas.

If display has "DTS MS" and also "Dolby True HD", then it sounds like it can bitstream lossless. But yea you'd think rep would know about this and clearly advise. Of course to upgrade the CB3 to the new HDMI 1.3 version it will require a trip to the factory. Since its a static display, likely a prop as Theta has the working HDMI 1.3 processors in house for evaluation, listening and plain 'ol work to get it out ASAP.

So Jeff, did you make nice to Theta???
post #134 of 619
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

dog. They are at 469.

No price. Rep not sure if can bitstream lossless. Will require trip to factory. Non powered unit no demo but display had 4 icons dts ms Dolby true hd srs but nothing else. So it may be a prop. 4 in 1 out. Due at Xmas.

How do we find your blog section for your CEDIA Comments??
post #135 of 619
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No price. Rep not sure if can bitstream lossless. Will require trip to factory. Non powered unit no demo but display had 4 icons dts ms Dolby true hd srs but nothing else. So it may be a prop. 4 in 1 out. Due at Xmas.

So we leaned nothing, did you ask if there was anything inside the chassis/box?
post #136 of 619
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Originally Posted by DougWinsor View Post

So we leaned nothing, did you ask if there was anything inside the chassis/box?

We learned that Jeff couldn't get Theta to give him a half price sweet deal for the new CB3 HDMI 1.3 cause he would have told us if he was getting it!!!
post #137 of 619
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We learned that Jeff couldn't get Theta to give him a half price sweet deal for the new CB3 HDMI 1.3 cause he would have told us if he was getting it!!!

So being a non powered unit I would guess it was just the chassis with no internal hardware.
post #138 of 619
Visited Theta's booth.... this is what I learnt...
Was told new CB3 will internally process all new formats.
Hardware is ready , software is being readied by a company called 'Momentum' which is a high end provider to the industry (supposedly they have a booth in CEDIA).
The HDMI card will cost 3500 Dollars and it has its own processor and will 'Not' use the processor which is currently in the unit and will be used to process the new formats.
The old processor will stay in the unit and will be used to process to current formats such as 5.1.
The upgrade will be offered to current users as soon as it comes out (no wait and is removed new CB3's will be sold first before upgrades are taken).
HDMI will come out by x mas.
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post #140 of 619
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Originally Posted by Ash Sharma View Post

Visited Theta's booth.... this is what I learnt...
Was told new CB3 will internally process all new formats.
Hardware is ready , software is being readied by a company called 'Momentum' which is a high end provider to the industry (supposedly they have a booth in CEDIA).
The HDMI card will cost 3500 Dollars and it has its own processor and will 'Not' use the processor which is currently in the unit and will be used to process the new formats.
The old processor will stay in the unit and will be used to process to current formats such as 5.1.
The upgrade will be offered to current users as soon as it comes out (no wait and is removed new CB3's will be sold first before upgrades are taken).
HDMI will come out by x mas.

Sorry, Jeff, but Theta wasn't gonna tell you anything. Not given your history. But you will get your chance to buy a CB3 HDMI 1.3 and forget the past!!!
HA!


Ash is a long time Theta supporter and owner and Theta knows him well. Of course Theta would spill all the beans to him at CEDIA! Or to me if I was there.

But Mike Pontelle of ATI spilled all the beans to me, truthfully and on schedule as he could. He told me last November that HDMI would be a priority for the CB3, and that they would use Momentum. He told me a few months ago that the CB3 1.3 which will process the new high resolution audio formats would be at CEDIA. What he didn't tell me, cause he didn't know yet, was that the new CB3 would be available around X-Mas this year with upgrades available thereafter or the cost of the upgrades.

ATI manufacturers audio components for many, many companies. Their reputation is a 10 on a 10 scale. ATI's purchaseo of Theta was the very best thing that possibly could have happened. And thanks to Neil Sinclair, former Theta owner, for making this possible, as he had lets just say offshore offers which certainly wouldn't have resulted in such a positive scenario for us Theta owners!!!! $3500 for HDMI 1.3 processing upgrade is outstanding!!!

This is exciting!!!! Craig Shumer of Theatermax, one of if not the top Theta dealer in the U.S., must be going nutso!!!!

No doubt my Integra 9.8 preamp/processor, which has performed outstanding via my Theta Six Shooter multi-channel preamp/processor, will be going for sale once my CB3 is upgraded. And I will no doubt have even better EXtreme DAC sonics that what I have now! Amazing.

Of course, the only thing more amazing would be if Doug Winsor bought one. The odds of that are like MoveOn.Org folks voting for McCain/Palin.
post #141 of 619
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Originally Posted by Ash Sharma View Post

The HDMI card will cost 3500 Dollars and it has its own processor and will 'Not' use the processor which is currently in the unit and will be used to process the new formats.
The old processor will stay in the unit and will be used to process to current formats such as 5.1.

Thanks ever so much for that info Ash. Outstanding news!

The other yet unanswered question here then is 5.1 or 7.1?
Of course I'm not slow enough to think 7.1 would not be the unreasonable approach, but Kal brought it up first

And what does all that mean for decoding of DSD over HDMI? Was it mentioned specifically?

Sorry Steve, just looking for what their saying today, not 3 months ago.
Nothing personal...
And Steve...
This is the first time I've ever found Craigs mailbox to be full
post #142 of 619
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Originally Posted by bigbrother52 View Post

Thanks ever so much for that info Ash. Outstanding news!

The other yet unanswered question here then is 5.1 or 7.1?
Of course I'm not slow enough to think 7.1 would not be the unreasonable approach, but Kal brought it up first

And what does all that mean for decoding of DSD over HDMI? Was it mentioned specifically?

Sorry Steve, just looking for what their saying today, not 3 months ago.
Nothing personal...
And Steve...
This is the first time I've ever found Craigs mailbox to be full

I have my own red phone line direct to Craig. Can't give it out, though. HA! HA!
post #143 of 619
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Originally Posted by Ash Sharma View Post

Visited Theta's booth.... this is what I learnt...
Was told new CB3 will internally process all new formats.
Hardware is ready , software is being readied by a company called 'Momentum' which is a high end provider to the industry (supposedly they have a booth in CEDIA).
The HDMI card will cost 3500 Dollars and it has its own processor and will 'Not' use the processor which is currently in the unit and will be used to process the new formats.
The old processor will stay in the unit and will be used to process to current formats such as 5.1.
The upgrade will be offered to current users as soon as it comes out (no wait and is removed new CB3's will be sold first before upgrades are taken).
HDMI will come out by x mas.

Sorry for my post delay, but I just got back up to Frisco from the Show, got dial-up to boot. Ash's info is essentially correct. It will decode Dolby+, D HD, DTS-MA. It will pass through Video to HDMI output unprocessed in any way. It will need a factory update as a lot of stuff needs to be re-worked so it cannot be done in the field as the CBIII decoder cards were. Will be 7.1 or greater, and a new 4 port AES/EBU digital output card will be available for output to Gen VIII's. No DSD signal transfer or D/A is planned in either the CBIII or the Gen VIII due to the waning interest in SACD.
A new BD transport is in the works, but is so new it's not a sure thing. This all from Carl Nicolson WC Sales rep for Theta. They are very excited about this advancement as I hope we all are. It would seem the ATI purchase of Theta was very good for Theta, and subsequently good for us. If you have any other inquiries, I will be happy to answer or pass them along.
I spoke to Harmon and there are no plans to go 1.3a or later, and no plans to decode raw bitstreams of the new codecs. This goes for both Lexicon & the multi Kilo-Buck Levinson. So far the number of Pre/Pros from the high end companies that can decode the new codecs as well as handle LPCM are few and far between. With Theta's excellent DACs this may well be the Unit for the SOTA Home Theater in the very near future. Again! Regards, Norm
post #144 of 619
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Originally Posted by tyree91 View Post

Sorry for my post delay, but I just got back up to Frisco from the Show, got dial-up to boot. Ash's info is essentially correct. It will decode Dolby+, D HD, DTS-MA. It will pass through Video to HDMI output unprocessed in any way. It will need a factory update as a lot of stuff needs to be re-worked so it cannot be done in the field as the CBIII decoder cards were. Will be 7.1 or greater, and a new 4 port AES/EBU digital output card will be available for output to Gen VIII's. No DSD signal transfer or D/A is planned in either the CBIII or the Gen VIII due to the waning interest in SACD.
A new BD transport is in the works, but is so new it's not a sure thing. This all from Carl Nicolson WC Sales rep for Theta. They are very excited about this advancement as I hope we all are. It would seem the ATI purchase of Theta was very good for Theta, and subsequently good for us. If you have any other inquiries, I will be happy to answer or pass them along.
I spoke to Harmon and there are no plans to go 1.3a or later, and no plans to decode raw bitstreams of the new codecs. This goes for both Lexicon & the multi Kilo-Buck Levinson. So far the number of Pre/Pros from the high end companies that can decode the new codecs as well as handle LPCM are few and far between. With Theta's excellent DACs this may well be the Unit for the SOTA Home Theater in the very near future. Again! Regards, Norm

Norm and Ash, thanks for the great info!!!!@@@@

Any news from Sim Audio. Will their new surround processor decode the new codecs or just do LPCM?
post #145 of 619
I am relieved by what I'm hearing. I started with Casablanca I and have upgraded to II and III. I have an extreme board, a superior I and an original standard balanced. It looks like I will need $5K to buy a Premium DAC card and get the HDMI input board. That should get me 7.1.

I would have to pay about as much to buy a receiver that could do the new formats. By every time I have had my Casablanca out to CA for an upgrade and used borrowed equipment in the meantime, the results couldn't touch the Casablanca. It will be worth the wait.
post #146 of 619
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Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky View Post

Norm and Ash, thanks for the great info!!!!@@@@

Any news from Sim Audio. Will their new surround processor decode the new codecs or just do LPCM?

Both.
post #147 of 619
we just chased Peter out of the strip bar. But what fun!
post #148 of 619
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Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonski View Post

Norm and Ash, thanks for the great info!!!!@@@@

Any news from Sim Audio. Will their new surround processor decode the new codecs or just do LPCM?

Steve, I saw the Sim Pre/Pro, and it looked very nice. I tried to get a brochure, but it was the only one which they did not have. The rep was busy in a personal conversation so I just don't know yet. I will try to get more info tomorrow. Regards, Norm
post #149 of 619
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we just chased Peter out of the strip bar. But what fun!

Sorry I couldn't be with you guys, but I'm 70 miles up the mountain. My strip bar is my wife which unlike Vegas doesn't have to stay here, I get to take her home with me.
Regards, Norm
post #150 of 619
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Originally Posted by mccaff View Post

I am relieved by what I'm hearing. I started with Casablanca I and have upgraded to II and III. I have an extreme board, a superior I and an original standard balanced. It looks like I will need $5K to buy a Premium DAC card and get the HDMI input board. That should get me 7.1.

I would have to pay about as much to buy a receiver that could do the new formats. By every time I have had my Casablanca out to CA for an upgrade and used borrowed equipment in the meantime, the results couldn't touch the Casablanca. It will be worth the wait.

I think in light of the current news that will be a good decision. For whatever cost would you rather have a Denon or a fully up to date CB III HDMI+. Regards, Norm
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